Did any Landy have the fuel filler under the centre seat?

[Shonky]

I had a difference of opinion the other day with my Dad (himself a Landy man, although I dare say not to the extent that I am) who has owned 2 Series IIAs and a Series III and driven a bunch of others in his time with PMG/Telecom, about the position of the fuel filler on old Landies in general.

Initially he said that the fuel tank was fitted under the centre seat and the fuel filler was under the centre seat squab on the SII/SIIA, but when I reminded him that having spent a great deal of time in and under my very own Series II, I was very sure that it wasn't, he backed down and said that he was sure it was that way on "some Landies". :p

He changed the subject altogether when I pointed out that there isn't much room under the centre seat for a fuel tank, what with all those trivial bits of the driveline in the way... :angel:

That said I'm a serial know it all and I don't like arguing points of fact when I'm not totally sure.

Did any Landies have the filler in this spot? Was it perhaps a modification done on some? Is my dad just getting old and doddery and getting confused? Is there another similar vehicle with this layout that he may be confusing with the Landy?

[isuzurover]

series 1s had the filler under the driver's seat. All landies since then had external fillers, as AFAIK it became illegal to have the filler inside the vehicle.

[Shonky]

Yeah that's what I said but he was positive that it was the centre seat!

I didn't know it became illegal though. Cheers! :)

[zulu Delta 534]

You may have to assign an impartial adjudicator in this case as you are both right and then again you are both wrong.
Dad is wrong in the point that they were never uinder the centre seat, but one must allow for slight lapses where memories are concerned, but they were under the drivers seat in Series ones.
The military in their wisdom decided to modify some of the Series 2's and 2a's to carry a 106 recoilless rifle in the late 60's and the adaptation of the body sides to accommodate the 6 rounds of ammunition this weapon required, were such that it was impossible to fit the filler pipes where they were fitted on the civvy models and the S2a versions had two tanks, one under each side seat. These tanks were the old S1 tanks and were filled from under the seat.
In my opinion you should smile graciously and offer Dad the money, and parhaps Dad should decline from accepting it all as his memory, although basically was correct, was a bit shaky on the details!
Below is a shot of my 1963 S2a gunbuggy's fuel tank filler!
Regards
Glen
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/1197.jpg

[Mick-Kelly]

For what its worth lightweights have the under seat filler as well.

[JDNSW]

No Landrover has ever left the factory with the fuel filler under the centre seat. All Series 1, and Series 2a and 3 "lightweight" or "airtransportable" military Landrovers, plus a few specials mentioned above, had the fillers under the driver's seat, or in the case of dual tanks, both outboard seats. But never under the centre seat, although various PTO bits have been accessed by removing the centre seat.

However, having seen some of the things people have done to Landrovers over the years, I would not be brave enough to say there has never been one with the filler under the centre seat, just that they never left the factory that way!

John

[Blknight.aus]

both right, both wrong.

no standard rover after the series ones had the filler under the seat box (some were modded ie gunbuggies)

but.

I saw one that was a farm hack vehicle and I assume that the only reason why it was done the way it was is that the normal filler for the tank poked nicely up through the PTO clearway in the center cross memember. (the normal tank was well and truely rusted out and destroyed

Ive seen the fill for a hydraulic PTO there once as well

more often the same was done for a water tank but even then Ive only seen 2 with the water tank flll there (both had the pump under the seat and by turning a couple of valves the tank could be pump filled by the built in pump) they were after market mods owned by different people (same idea slightly different executions)

[rmp]

Lightweight Land Rovers like this one:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/ww.landrovercentre.com/image/Lightweight.jpghttp://www.landrovercentre.com/image/Lightweight.jpg

had two fuel tanks under the front seats and they were refilled by removing the front seat pads.

There is a switch on front of the driver's seat to select tanks. For a laugh you can leave this halfway between the two and the car will run out of fuel. Then switch it back and restart it. Completely confuses people.

[Shonky]

You may have to assign an impartial adjudicator in this case as you are both right and then again you are both wrong.
Dad is wrong in the point that they were never uinder the centre seat, but one must allow for slight lapses where memories are concerned, but they were under the drivers seat in Series ones.
The military in their wisdom decided to modify some of the Series 2's and 2a's to carry a 106 recoilless rifle in the late 60's and the adaptation of the body sides to accommodate the 6 rounds of ammunition this weapon required, were such that it was impossible to fit the filler pipes where they were fitted on the civvy models and the S2a versions had two tanks, one under each side seat. These tanks were the old S1 tanks and were filled from under the seat.

Fair call. :D

I have no problem with being proved wrong and learning from it, I just like to know what I'm talking about otherwise feet end up in mouth. :p



In my opinion you should smile graciously and offer Dad the money, and parhaps Dad should decline from accepting it all as his memory, although basically was correct, was a bit shaky on the details!


I have learned the hard way Glenn that good debate makes for bad betting, as there are usually a million loopholes through which you can be threaded and brokered!

The centre seat was not the standard position for Series IIs though, so I still maintain accuracy superiority though as he got the seat and the vehicle wrong! :p


Thanks for your reply - I have learned something new and that is what it's all about at the end of the day. :cool:

[Dinty]

G'day All, You can do that with any of the Oz series military vehicles as well ""There is a switch on front of the driver's seat to select tanks. For a laugh you can leave this halfway between the two and the car will run out of fuel. Then switch it back and restart it. Completely confuses people.""" and in my 110 County put the electric shuttle valve switch half way, it does the same thing only it won't start until you bleed the pump, so it's not something you do to impress people LOL cheers Dennis :wasntme:__________________
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[Shonky]

...having seen some of the things people have done to Landrovers over the years, I would not be brave enough to say there has never been one with the filler under the centre seat, just that they never left the factory that way!

Ain't that the truth!

[Mick-Kelly]

both right, both wrong.

no standard rover after the series ones had the filler under the seat box (some were modded ie gunbuggies)




Lightweights had fuel fillers under both seats from 1968 till they went out of production in the eighties. I think a couple of other 'developmental' MOD landrovers had the same. ie the 'big' lightweights (gun tractors), 100 inch trial vehicles and amphibious rovers. Not the sort of thing you come across often though !!!

[PAT303]

My first ever LR,a 2A had two tanks with the fillers under the seat with the amount on a dipstick in it.It also had two fillers,one either side with a brass tap next to the handbrake lever for switching between the two. Pat