hang on chaps, Ive got an idea..

[Blknight.aus]

without spilling the beans..

does anyone have a dead or dying aircompressor thats belt driven from a 10a single phase motor? (standard household power point).

Id prefer something thats not one of those ones that was made up from an old referigeration compressor. I only really need the pump but anything extras a bonus especially the pressure switch that deals with turning the motor on and off.

if you have one, have access to one or know someone that does and might care to part with it can you let me know.. If its good enough that It will do for both my prototype and then the final product I can probabley sling some limited dollars you're way.

cheers.

[kaa45]

I got one......but a long way from Qld. :(

[The ho har's]

ho har suggested you go to the Logan City dump recycle centre they quite often have them there:D

Mrs ho har:angel:

[Redback]

Oh OK i'll donate my old one, it's an old Ingasol Rand (SP) 9kpA, if only too see what your project is:whistling:

Beer Dave, just beer;)

Baz.

[justinc]

"Are you thinking what I'm thinking B1?" - "I think I am B2! ...."







Fozzy the 'endless air compressor truck':D


Do we get a prize for guessing??

JC

[hodgo]

ho har suggested you go to the Logan City dump recycle centre they quite often have them there:D

Mrs ho har:angel:
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Bloody great idea, I will be going over there, or so I am told by she who must be obeyed one day this week If you want i will check it out for you Dave.

Hodgo

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Sorry, no compressor Dave. By the way, are you a fan of the first Italian Job ? :D :D

[Blknight.aus]

ho har suggested you go to the Logan City dump recycle centre they quite often have them there:D

Mrs ho har:angel:

cheers


Oh OK i'll donate my old one, it's an old Ingasol Rand (SP) 9kpA, if only too see what your project is:whistling:

Beer Dave, just beer;)

Baz.

thanks, done any chance of a pic so I can start fabbing up mounts...


__________________________________________________ _____________

Bloody great idea, I will be going over there, or so I am told by she who must be obeyed one day this week If you want i will check it out for you Dave.

Hodgo

Cheers, mate If they have a choice a 2/3 cylinder jobbie will be better for what I have in mind the larger the drive pully on the pump the better.



"Are you thinking what I'm thinking B1?" - "I think I am B2! ...."







Fozzy the 'endless air compressor truck':D


Do we get a prize for guessing??

JC

Close, very very close but not quite....

first person who guesses the exact concept (including why) gets the prototype after I finish the working version.


Sorry, no compressor Dave. By the way, are you a fan of the first Italian Job ? :D :D

yep..

love the get out of jail pressie and

"you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"

[Outlaw]

I'm thinking a pump to pressurise all your working goodies ;)

[B92 8NW]

Air suspension?

[d@rk51d3]

cheers



thanks, done any chance of a pic so I can start fabbing up mounts...



Cheers, mate If they have a choice a 2/3 cylinder jobbie will be better for what I have in mind the larger the drive pully on the pump the better.




Close, very very close but not quite....

first person who guesses the exact concept (including why) gets the prototype after I finish the working version.



yep..

love the get out of jail pressie and

"you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"


She's a big woman...... BIIIIG woman.:D

[Bigbjorn]

A blow up doll to take on exercises?

[Blknight.aus]

I'm thinking a pump to pressurise all your working goodies ;)

close...


Air suspension?

hadnt even begun to think of that...


A blow up doll to take on exercises?

sorry no I dont do blow up stuff...


She's a big woman...... BIIIIG woman.:D

and If i did I definately wouldnt want one that took a mains powered compressor to inflate....

[abaddonxi]

Pressurise battery box and engine bay?

Simon

[Blknight.aus]

Pressurise battery box and engine bay?

Simon

among other things....


obviously some hints are needed...

its an aircompressor so its going to compress air and given that Im building it out of a 240v 10aish compressor we're not talking piddling amounts to run a locker that I dont have nor a battery box that needs pressureising..

yes its for fozzy and yes fozzy's getting endless air (as well as hydraulics) but not off this compressor.

think along the lines of my employment and in particular the CCCCC trip as this is a project for the CCCCC trip.

[scarry]

i have got absolutely no idea,but something to do with spray painting,or spraying something.

i know those refrig compressers love to pump oil through themselves,so would be no good for this job.

its 240v,so gonna be used in w/shop before trip

pressure test fuel tank?....no i dont think so

air tools? to fix up fozzy....

MORE CLUES.........:eek:

[stirlsilver]

Mobile high volume air supply huh? Are you going to drive it using a belt? Or going to fit a whopping big 12 motor onto it?... unless you are thinking of using the 10A ac motor and drive it off 2500W inverter.... Mmmm, few alternators would be needed then.

If you get a decent sized compressor on there you could start using air tools, spray paint, inflate tyres in a few minutes. The fast inflation of tyres could be handy if you have a lot of cars that have aired down perhaps?

[87County]

inflatable boat for river crossings???????????????:)

[scarry]

are .....big flywheel if pos.....slow reving with lots of volume....mount compresser on fozzy....driven off fozzy somehow,endless amounts of air for anything that is needed...:D

but how to drive it off fozzy.....off engine with belt...is there a rear pto available?

[Blknight.aus]

If you get a decent sized compressor on there you could start using air tools, spray paint, inflate tyres in a few minutes. The fast inflation of tyres could be handy if you have a lot of cars that have aired down perhaps?

well theres the why.... but fozzy will also have an endless air compressor belt driven from the engine.



but how to drive it off fozzy.....off engine with belt...is there a rear pto available?

and there is a PTO but it'll have hydraulics and winches hanging off of it..

[abaddonxi]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/1347.jpg

Cape to Cape Expedition (http://www.capetocape.org.uk/Vehicles.htm)


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/53.jpg

The Amphiclopy La to Lb (http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/La_La.html)

[abaddonxi]

http://www.affordablerides.com.au/myimages/castle11.jpg

[DiscoStew]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

That would be funny except the way we are going you may well be right. We will have a few two year olds on the trip and we have to keep them amused somehow.

[Bigbjorn]

close...



hadnt even begun to think of that...



sorry no I dont do blow up stuff...



and If i did I definately wouldnt want one that took a mains powered compressor to inflate....

You can always rent it to the Officer's Mess!

[Sprint]

You can always rent it to the Officer's Mess!

nah, they've already got a self contained source of hot air!

Dave...... i'm guessing its something to do with wanting an on-board compressed air supply that isnt a bulky DIY type compressor but somewhat compact (possibly engine bay or underbody mounted - driven from the tailshaft and underbody tanks?) to allow you to run air tools away from a workshop?

possibly a stupider question, but why not use an aircon compressor? i know a few of the pootrol guys use an aircon compressor with the clutch wired up so it cuts in when needed.....

[Blknight.aus]

I may yet, thats why I'm prototyping it.

I'm not keen on the aircon compressors as they tend to have issues with lubrication and putting lube into the air. Which has the potential to cause problems with valving and operation on some stuff that I might be running.

[TimNZ]

Hi Dave, I've got an aircon compressor out of an old chev, it's the piston type and has its own sump so there's no issues with lubrication. It's quite compact and pumps out about 7cfm from memory. You're welcome to have it, only problem is its in perth.

Cheers,

Tim

[blitz]

Hey Dave on the same subject but a slightly different track why not look at a truck/road train air compressor that they use for the brakes. They are quite high cfm and also already have a 12V clutch on them.

It is what I am going to do when I get around to it so I can run my air tools from the landy.

Blythe

[Sprint]

the guys on the patrol forums who did it IIRC used ordinary compressor/air tool oil, and afaik didnt have any issues

[Blknight.aus]

Hi Dave, I've got an aircon compressor out of an old chev, it's the piston type and has its own sump so there's no issues with lubrication. It's quite compact and pumps out about 7cfm from memory. You're welcome to have it, only problem is its in perth.

Cheers,

Tim

thats not as big a problem as you might imagine.


Hey Dave on the same subject but a slightly different track why not look at a truck/road train air compressor that they use for the brakes. They are quite high cfm and also already have a 12V clutch on them.

It is what I am going to do when I get around to it so I can run my air tools from the landy.

Blythe

they dont have a 12v clutch they run constantly and use a bit of air control trickery to turn the vavling on and off....


the actual plan is thus...

fozzys getting an engine driven compressor and Ive already pretty much worked out how Im doing that.

the following mods I hope to have done prior to CCCCC
air controlled exhaust brake
air bag assist on the rear leafs so I can drop a couple of the helper leaves giving me a bit more flex in the rear end without compromising loadability
air operated park brake.

the compressor Im chasing now is the auxilary air compressor and will essentially be the same as your 240v versions of the compressor but powered by a 12v starter motor so that things like air tools and tyre inflation can be done without me having to rev the biscuts out of the 2.25 diesel. Being a basic diesel once its running if I happen to drain the battery dead flat it doesnt matter once its turning the alternator will charge batteries (at a paltry 35a/h)


the basic design principal will be a 12v starter motor battery and relay belt driving a normal compressor with a very small (1 maybe 2 liters) tank built onto the platform. then normal 240v on/off type switching found on all compressors will be used to control the starters relay.

the primary tank will be one of those "shooter" tanks that tyreshops use to "blast" tubeless tyres onto rims. this will be portable on my vehicle so it can be mounted pretty much anywhere and if needed can be used as originally intended to seat tubeless tyres

Yes, I'm already planning out my loadspace and where things will and wont be going. I know that if the aux compressor idea works that its battery will be doubling as my second battery and that it will also be providing the power for the fuel circulatory system for the WVO filtering/dewatering tank and Ive decided that as Im running as TEC that I will be cutting back on my recovery gear and field working gear as in theory as Im driving the slowest vehicle in the last position that by the time I get there then there should already be a plethora of tree beating gear and towing gear on the ground. so things like tooling and a good airsupply have been bumped up on the list...

assuming this all works to plan I'll look into knocking up some others out of leftover bits....

I'll start sending Pms soon.

[scarry]

well we werent far away.....we almost had it sussed;)

ummm.....now who gets the prize:D

[Sprint]

dave..... possibly pointing out the obvious here, BUT.....

1: you're planning on carrying what seems to be a LOT of gear
2: you're planning on carrying what seems to be a lot of gear that isnt light
3: you're planning on using a vehicle that wasnt originally specified to carry more than 3/4 ton
4: you're planning on doing 1-3 using a 2.25 DIESEL
5: to compound matters...... you're going to be running it on biodiesel?????

[Blknight.aus]

Atm Im working on the theory of those who help out with providing compressor/drive parts will get opening dibs on working prototypes or some free shooting at my parts stash/barter trade deals.

[roverrescue]

Dave,
I like you thinking but what does fozzies engine bay look like...
My fender air is just ye-olde disco aircon pressor cos I had it... intake is now from the air return of the provent (too much oil when feeding from the Provent intake line)
Run a large undertray tank but put the air inlet at the bottom and outlet at the top, most vapoured oil will drop out.

I have been known to run the airtools off the fender in preference to my tired old 240V puma as it seems to have more poke and is often more convienient... at idle it will run the rattle gun(empty tank), at "thats a bit noisier than idle" the air output is pretty impressive...My fender system runs at just a shade under 150psi which is just loverly! (no idea of cfm)

Your system however impressive is rather complicated... Take the offer of the york style aircon pump, run a dirty big tank in the tray to give bulk capacity and run a good filter/dryer before your airsprings and other sensitive stuff?

just my thunks
Steve

[Blknight.aus]

dave..... possibly pointing out the obvious here, BUT.....

1: you're planning on carrying what seems to be a LOT of gear
2: you're planning on carrying what seems to be a lot of gear that isnt light
3: you're planning on using a vehicle that wasnt originally specified to carry more than 3/4 ton
4: you're planning on doing 1-3 using a 2.25 DIESEL
5: to compound matters...... you're going to be running it on biodiesel?????

1. not really, heavy mechanicing kit, food, water, fuel, some oils, light recovery kit, some spare parts and at this stage me. Im providing a lot of stuff to be taken if wanted/needed and already have 4 offers of space/weight out of those 4 everything I would want to take to support a 20 vehicle convoy of similar vehicles for an around over under and across Australia trip will fit between my vehicle and 2 out of the 4 offers

2. thats what I get for being a mechanic

3. no it was originally specified to carry 1.168 tons but I can only get to that if i load it just right, my current loadout not counting fuel but counting all water, food, tools, bits and pieces is still under 500KG so even if I balance it all on the rear axle Im good and as previously mentioned, I wont be carrying all of it

4. Ive done it using a 2.25l petrol before today the diesels got more torque

5. not quite, Im going to do it on WVO and if closer to the time I cant get a guarenteed supply of oil then Im going to take an additional 400l in drums I'll refill and abandon a drum near townsville somwhere then drop another drum to be used to get back. what I really really want to do is fill up with 74l of diesel in the starting tank lock it and give the keys to the tank to someone else so I have no choice but to burn the WVO and be very frugal with my actual diesel usage.

If I wanted life easy I would have just voulenteered to chuck a tool box in the back of someone elses car and played navigator for them, but lifes no fun when its all easy.


Dave,
I like you thinking but what does fozzies engine bay look like...
My fender air is just ye-olde disco aircon pressor cos I had it... intake is now from the air return of the provent (too much oil when feeding from the Provent intake line)
Run a large undertray tank but put the air inlet at the bottom and outlet at the top, most vapoured oil will drop out.

I have been known to run the airtools off the fender in preference to my tired old 240V puma as it seems to have more poke and is often more convienient... at idle it will run the rattle gun(empty tank), at "thats a bit noisier than idle" the air output is pretty impressive...My fender system runs at just a shade under 150psi which is just loverly! (no idea of cfm)

Your system however impressive is rather complicated... Take the offer of the york style aircon pump, run a dirty big tank in the tray to give bulk capacity and run a good filter/dryer before your airsprings and other sensitive stuff?

just my thunks
Steve

at the end of the day its pretty simple...

small truck compressor for normal vehicle stuff and the occasional tyre inflate off of the vehicle tank, Big compressor powered on the startermotor setup for bulk inflates.

the compressor I have picked out for off of the engine is fairly small and unregulated will put out 220+psi and I can adjust the regulator mechanism from about 5psi all the way up to 220 psi. but it doenst shift a lot of air which is why Im thinking about the AUX compressor setup. with the WVO system in place and not having a place spare (that Ive worked out yet) to put the main starting battery space up the front end of MR2.25D is getting to be a primium. Thats why Im doing all the mess about prototyping stuff now.

at the end of it all I should have 4 tanks all up
1. wet tank from engine driven compressor
2. main under body tank
3. wet tank on aux compressor
4. shooter tank

3+4 wont be permanantly mounted to the vehicle but all tanks will interconnect for bulk air storage so while Im driving all tanks will fill but to save compressor run time when on the 12v system it will only fill its wet tank and the shooter tank unless I need to use the 12v system to charge the vehicle system...

which might not be a bad Idea if I have air start as well...

[Blknight.aus]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/64410-not-rocket-surgery-people-thanks-anyway.html#post823575

rant done...

who ever sent them thanks...

Ive now got the big brother of the little york compressor I was going to use for the engine driven compressor sitting soaking in oil to free up the rings and the bearings and its all looking good for that to be a runner.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/09/86.jpg

here it is in it pulled apart glory the valve plate is in powersteering fluid to get the rust off the surface and hopefully in the next couple of days it'll be together and tested and if it works all good for an engine compressor.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/09/87.jpg

I also recieved this little number which is (by eyeball only) about the same size as the little york I was going to put on but without the regulation gear to let it turn on and off. I have a small startermotor off of a Gstring that I might be able to make a smaller version of the 12v compressor I was going to make,

Depending on which of the 2 compressors (the little one or the big york thats coming over from TimNZ) gives the most practicable result for my project the other will go up for offers.

At this point TimNZ gets the first bite as hes got a compressor coming over and has identified himself as having sent it (dropped it off at dads place so Kind of hard to refute)

If no-one else claims the little compressor or the now undying york I have on the bench then the sparey will go up for auction and the proceeds will goto INC for site maintenance...