Any Vet's on here?

[taff]

my bitch has recently had a litter of pups and 2 of them have what i can only describe as broken tails.
the 1 has a 90 degree kink about 2/3 rds of the way down and the other about a 60 degree kink. it doesn't really affect anything they do except when they go to the toilet = messy tails
my question is, if i take them to the vets will they dock they're tails or just leave it as is. the pup's are now 3 weeks old and whilst the tails were apparent from the beginning the mess situation is only starting now which is why i haven't considered docking before.

jason

[crump]

I'm not a vet, but even though "docking" is now a dirty word I'm sure that any vet would dock those pups due to there being a hygiene issue.

[dobbo]

So if you broke your tail would you put a rubber band around it and wait for it to turn black or go straight to the quacks in agony pleading for it to be fixed up and returned to normal working order?

Lets get one thing straight, Docking should only be done with ships, not dogs.



Again I am not vet, but waiting three weeks? If they were broken chances are the tails would be set into that position now and will need to be broken and re set. This will be painful for the pups.

[crump]

if they were born that way I would assume congenital defect rather then a broken tail, hence no pain,and as they are three weeks old removal of the affected part of the tail would be under anaesthesia.

[crump]

So if you broke your tail would you put a rubber band around it and wait for it to turn black or go straight to the quacks in agony pleading for it to be fixed up and returned to normal working order?

Lets get one thing straight, Docking should only be done with ships, not dogs.



Again I am not vet, but waiting three weeks? If they were broken chances are the tails would be set into that position now and will need to be broken and re set. This will be painful for the pups.

docking is still done with lambs and piglets but its funny how we get all emotive about it when its done to a "puppy"as we sit down to our pork chops or lamb roast.

[taff]

thanks crump.
i know i said "what i can only describe as being broke" but pay attention to the what i can only describe part dobbo.
these pups were born like this so it's obviously a birth defect maybe from lying in the wrong way whilst still inside.
i too am against docking which is why i didn't take them in the first place ( i have 2 rotty's - neither docked) and was hoping that this wouldn't have to be done but as it's now getting messy then i feel that it would be better for the dogs in the long run in terms of finding them a good home.

[Shonky]

We do the same to cattle with their :eek: bits.

[dobbo]

docking is still done with lambs and piglets but its funny how we get all emotive about it when its done to a "puppy"as we sit down to our pork chops or lamb roast.


Food is food, pets are pets. For the record I wouldn't dock a lamb or a piglet either


Piggy, I used to have a Piggy. I miss her company, we'd sit for hours and hours and talk, I'd look at her, she'd look at me. It's as if we were both thinking of the same thing at the same time, so one day I worked up the courage and asked her the question.

I think she said Yes, so I called up the butcher and the rest is cellulite.

[stevo68]

docking is still done with lambs and piglets but its funny how we get all emotive about it when its done to a "puppy"as we sit down to our pork chops or lamb roast. And lets not forget the unkindest cut of them all :eek:,

Regards

Stevo

[crump]

And lets not forget the unkindest cut of them all :eek:,

Regards

Stevo
I was recently talking to " a soon to be mum", and she tells me there is only one Doctor in Brisbane now that will perform that surgery on baby boys, funny how things change.:eek:

[incisor]

what helped change it was the insurance costs imposed on the doctors when doing it.

a doctor i do work for works out the fee for doing it by dividing the insurance premium costs added by doing it, by the number he did the year before and adding $110 for the actual job...

poor bastards are prime targets .....

[djhampson]

When we picked up my dog he had a crocked tail that the breeder said you could straighten by strapping it to a length of wood or paddle-pop stick just like you would for a fractured bone.

We didn't bother because we thought the dog would probably do something stupid and try to pull it off. So he now runs around with his tail curving upward and forward... looks pretty silly but he's happy.

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[dfendr]

In every state of Australia except W.A. it is illegal to dock tails for cosmetic reasons.
However it would be legal for medical reasons and in this case it would be justified

[dullbird]

In every state of Australia except W.A. it is illegal to dock tails for cosmetic reasons.
However it would be legal for medical reasons and in this case it would be justified
I'm pretty sure its illegal in WA as well now.

Dobbo if there is a medical reason the vets can dock a tail, and just so you know they are done medically not with a rubber band..and i believe it all has to be recorded so they can prove if called upon that it was for just cause

as for docking sheep that is for there best interest, to help provent them getting fly blown:).

[dullbird]

no i totally agree NM maybe they should just breed fat tails and be done with it :) demara's are also better in drought conditions

[crump]

Barbaric practice IMHO :mad:
Anyone says it doesn't hurt has no idea :mad:
A totally unnecessary act in most cases :mad:

I am glad ideas are changing ;)
you'd never know, would you
thats a funny statement coming from a woman, maybe it hurts but I've never met anybody that remembers it.:p

[The ho har's]

thats a funny statement coming from a woman, maybe it hurts but I've never met anybody that remembers it.:p

oohh crump don't mess with NM:p


Mrs ho har:angel:

[crump]

oohh crump don't mess with NM:p


Mrs ho har:angel:
no chance, I'm not that silly:angel:, but i do know of several sets of parents that insisted on having their sons "done" recently so theirs would look the same as "daddys", and I agree with that course of action.

[stevo68]

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thats a funny statement coming from a woman, maybe it hurts but I've never met anybody that remembers it.:p

Not really....I've seen the job done and changed nappies on newly circumcised baby boys...they scream....its enough to break any mothers heart :(
I was watching Long Way Down last night and they were staying overnight with a tribe in Kenya. The tribe had moved to this place for a special ceremony.......the circumcision of what I would assume were teenage boys :eek:. Now whether the chief was joking or not, but the boys were not allowed to flinch, wince, show an inch of acknowledgement of what was being done to them or they would be killed or flogged . They also described how they did it.......that made me wince and flinch all in one go. So whilst an adult may not remember it....how many adults would line up for it to be done.........as an adult? If you wouldnt have it done to you as an adult, how can someone let it be done to their baby boy..........cause they want their willy to look like their old mans...I mean WTF,

Regards

Stevo

[spudboy]

I am off to the Vet tonight to get my puppy's 12 week injections done, so I'll try and remember to ask about the tail issue.

He's a Dobermann and I am still getting used to seeing him with a long tail. The old one was docked when we bought her, but 12 years ago that was normal.

[Xavie]

.........If you wouldnt have it done to you as an adult, how can someone let it be done to their baby boy..........cause they want their willy to look like their old mans...I mean WTF,[/SIZE][/FONT]

Regards

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That's exactly what I was thinking stevo.... WTF!

I am well aware medical cases exist where it can assist the person with hygiene but no good reason exists in the vast majority of cases. And it has been wildly publicised that such awful pain when young can scar them for later life. Maybe not in obvious ways but probems are not always obvious.

Look like daddy.... pffft....

[crump]

That's exactly what I was thinking stevo.... WTF!

I am well aware medical cases exist where it can assist the person with hygiene but no good reason exists in the vast majority of cases. And it has been wildly publicised that such awful pain when young can scar them for later life. Maybe not in obvious ways but probems are not always obvious.

Look like daddy.... pffft....

its obviously a decisive issue and as i dont have kids (although I do have a penis) not much point in me commenting further, but there is also room for the possibility of problems that are not always obvious because a boys willy doesnt look like his daddys, dunno, mine looked like my dads.;)

[Boxhead63]

My young bloke is 10 wks old, my wife who is a nurse and i discussed at length regarding the to chop or not to chop issue we went through the pros and cons arguments. There was nothing in the pros side of the argument, not even when i brought up about an ol mate which was 70 at the time had to have the chop done due to diabetic complications. The pain he went through was evil in it self, but still MY YOUNG BLOKE WILL NOT BE DONE. There is no argument at the end of the day. NO CHOP, CHOP.

[953]

Why?
Do you really think the boys do comparo's? It's easy enough to explain why to an uncircumcised boy.....

also...you have to consider the "risks"...there is more than one boy out there in the world with a next to useless, or NO penis due to a botched circumcision

Thats a Rabi`s worst fear, 1 slip & u get the sack:o.
Cheers Dean.

[scarry]

I am off to the Vet tonight to get my puppy's 12 week injections done, so I'll try and remember to ask about the tail issue.

He's a Dobermann and I am still getting used to seeing him with a long tail. The old one was docked when we bought her, but 12 years ago that was normal.

X2

Well,i thought this was a vet thread:p;)

Anyway,been looking at Dobes,as we had one for 14.5 years.Cant seem to get used to the tail bit:angel:

They dont look like their dad.....:o:eek:

Looked at some GSP's as well,they look strange as well:eek:
long whippy tail

I suppose we will have to get used to it...change with the times....