info needed on a 11A

[back_in]

Hi All
A member of another Club in S.A. has a series 11A with the following info
it has a hard top of a type I have not seen
nothing like a L/Rover made one
the vehicle info is as follows
engine no 25315925K
chassis no on left rear 24315566D
chassis no on internal plate on firewall 25326326D
also on firewall is LRL18912
on the same plate is 10918912
also on plate is "produced by pressed metal corp ltd Sydney"
the lad that has the car has been left it from his Dad
would love to know it's history
so come on help him
cheers
Ian

[Col.Coleman]

Mate,

Looks like a parts bin special.

Ran your chassis no.s through Classics Vin calculator and as I thought the chassis one doesn't add up with the others.

The one on the firewall, and the PMC plate match, so the question is going to be, is it an '88 or a 109'.

The chassis number

243
series 2a '88
62-71
Basic/station wagon
2.25l petrol
CKD RHD

15566
serial number

Suffix D
4th revision of the model
67-68

Now if it is an '88, the firewall has been changed to one from a 109 as they are the same, just 109 prefix 253.

So the body could have been changed, and something fabricated as a roof.

The motor is a much later K series motor.

If it is a 109' then I have no idea.

Pics will help.

CC

Ps This should be in the 2a section:D (they will get you)

[JDNSW]

A photo would help regarding the hardtop. But you should note that some Landrovers were fitted with locally designed and made hardtops, especially ones supplied by Annand and Thompson in Brisbane.

Pressed Metal Corporation was the Sydney company which assembled Landrovers from the fifties to the early eighties using "CKD" or "completely knocked down" kits supplied by Rover and their successors with significant proportions of local parts added.

John

[Dinty]

G'day All, The chassis numbers and you state on the lhs 24315566D would be a Series 2A 88" (not a S1) all that stuff in the RTA/Calvin is cuckoo in my opinion, having 1st hand experience at getting 7 restored Series 2A Land Rovers (ex-mil and trailers on club plates) and to see the crap thats on the computer defies belief n imagination:eek:.
The numbers on the small PMC plates on the bulkhead would indicate as other posts have stated it's had a b/head change (either rusted out/accident damage), as for the H/top it could be a Hedges variety completely different from the L/rover product, and it could be either fibreglass or steel, and yes a pic or 2 would be most helpfull, and I would have to agree it's a bitsa, but that doesn't mean thats its a worthless piece of ???? either, most Series Land Rovers still on the road today are a mix of old n new anyway hope thats of some help cheers Dennis:angel:

[UncleHo]

G'day Back_in :)

Is this vehicle a short or a long wheelbase??? as the Chassis No on the left rear reads as a 1967-onwards Short Wheelbase (88") vehicle, No 24315566D, which would have a key start ign, flick type dash switches, and a single windscreen wiper motor, also the handbrake lever will have a 90* curve in it so that it can be used with a seatbelt on, it would also be a Negative Earth electrical system.

The second set of numbers on the firewall reards as a LWB vehicle (109")
Ch No 25326326D same later model 2a 1967-onwards, but a long wheelbase, which could mean if it is a SWB that it has had the firewall replaced at some time (owing to rust) as this was/is a common thing, it would also have the flick type switches and key start ign.also Negative Earth, single wiper motor and the wiper pivots coming out just under the windscreen rain channel. The Body numbers on the "Pressed Metal Corp" plate identifies it as a LWB body No 18912 (Land Rover Long ) 109-18912 and that it was assembled in Sydney Aust by Pressed Metal Corp (a wholly owned subsiduary of Leyland Aust Corporation, from a CKD (completly knocked down) kit.

The roof (if it is a long wheelbase model) if it has rounded sides and ends, and is made of steel and not aliminumim, would probably be a "Athol Hedges Unit,(major commercial body builders in Brisbane) which was manufactured in Brisbane for Annand & Thompson P/Ltd, as they were Rover Importers and Distributors for Qld & Northern NSW, and often fitted these hardtops that they had made for them. If this vehicle is a LWB 2a, then the SWB chassis no has been re-stamped by somebody for ???? reasons, or it has had the left rear of the chassis replaced owing to accident damage,(cut & shut) quite common on chassised vehicles.

The engine No would be one from about 1967 on "suffix K" and would/should be fitted with a Zenith 36IV type Carby.and also be fitted with a Negative Earth electrical system.


I hope that will help in identifing this vehicle


cheers

[Col.Coleman]

I thought about a chassis cut, the same as I thought my 107' had had until I found the truth.

But, the chassis no. is 2a 88' and the spring hangers would be different. They would have to do the whole rear assembly, which I thought would be very unlikely as a new diff would also have to be sourced.

The narrow springs would do a series 1 cut and shut nicely, but not a long wheel base 2a.

Pics will tell all

CC

PS My fault in confusing some on the vin calc numbers. I put series 1 not 2a as a typo. All fixed now, but you eagle eyed ones should have guessed with the years and other info around it:D

[back_in]

Hi all
thanks for putting the message in the correct area Col
It is a 109 11A
The the top has rounded ends, looks nothing like a L/R top.
I been told it has -earth, now has a holden carby
thanks to Uncleho for his detailed info.
will pass the info on and when we id the car will pass it back to the brain trust.
thanks to all
cheers
Ian

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Ian

There were a number of local body builders that made after-market metal tops for Land Rover. The main one being Athol Hedges (AH) in Brisbane who's tops were supplied with vehicles from Annand & Thompson throughout Queensland and Northern Rivers NSW, commencing in the 1950's and continuing through the Series 2 and 2a. I don't believe that I have seen an S3 with an AH roof.

The AH tops were flat roof with large curves to all sides (inc. front and back) and unlike the OEM roofs, the tailgate was square at the top in line with the top of the front doors. Unfortunately while I believe I have an image I can not find it.

Canopy Industries in Sydney also made roofs for Land Rover, but not very many and frequently only canopys over the tub in ute cab vehicles. Garwood Olding Ind. in Sydney made many of the Land Rover ute tub roofs (troop carriers) and ambulance bodies for the SMHEC, but mainly in S1 and S2. These tub roofs were square edged at the front and rear with large radius curves at the sides.

Garwood canopy
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/283.jpg
National Archives of Australia Image no. 8314213 1959 PM Menzies inspects Tumut No.2 site.

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Athol Hedges hardtops were made for Annand & Thompson. They were steel and very rust prone. Few have survived to the present day. We never fitted one at Leyland Brisbane. In fact we did not even know about them until we got one on a trade-in. Leyland Truck and Bus commenced LR distribution in mid 1973.

[back_in]

Hi Diana
I only saw the car in the dark at Friday's Club meeting
The things I do remember were the round corners, re-enforced bottom rear corners, it was a full length top and 2 large windows on each side
Hope to get a photo from the owner when he answers my last e mail
cheers
Ian

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Found one

Athol Hedges roof/canopy

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/johnliu/lr_4.jpg
Image: Travel: Land Rovers (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/johnliu/lr.htm)

Diana

[ellard]

Ian

Without seeing it - it sounds like a canopy perdominatly used by SA Police in out back areas. They were build by a coach builder and as already said "RUST" was a major issue.

As already mentioned send me the pictures and I will post.

There is a few around, but not many in good condition (We have a couple of mutural friends/members with them......Mark & David)

Wayne

Wayne

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Ian

While the tops were made by Athol Hedges and should rightly be called Athol Hedges canopys, they were usually called "Queensland tops" by us Mexicans in NSW.

The tops however did get around, Victorian AULRO member "tardis" (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/tardis.html) had one on her 109 a couple of years ago. The vehicle was parted out, however the roof was still in quite good condition but lying upside down in a Land Rover grave yard on a property near Horsham in the Wimmera. Of course we had to right it so that it would last a few more years without filling with water and rusting away.

Diana

[67hardtop]

Hi All, I have been looking and finally found this post. I am the owner of the landy in "question"??.
I believe it is an Athol Hedges style roof fitted. It is steel and very heavy and has rust repairs too. It has had a second hand rear x member fitted at some time in its life due to accident damage, from an 88'' as it still has the rear spring hangers on it and so it has 2 chassis numbers. I have been told to grind off the 88'' number or remove the hangers but as yet haven't done so:angel:. Thanks to Ian for the help. Still a member of the club (LRREGSA).

Cheers
Rod:cool: