Immigration getting harder..yey

[DirtyDawg]

Some of the poms whom I work with were telling me that to immigrate here now costs an extra $2000 to sit a 2 hr test..is this true , if so can I suggest two questions:

1. What is the population of Australia?
2. Name them?

:D:D

Seriously though..why so hard to get here. when if your from Asia it appears to be show us the money and your in , even if you can't string two english words together.

Personally I'm all for shutting our borders:twisted: but if we have to let anyone in I do have a preference for those who at least converse in the same lingo.

[dmdigital]

What's scary is the questions. One of the Indian guys I work with was quizzing us on our knowledge... we all failed!

[Michael2]

I was talking to an Irish couple whose family is in Aus. it's costing them $70K to fast track their immigration!!

I reckon anyone who arrives illegally has shown they definately want to be here. So after security checks are okay, they should enter a 5 year contract to work on a major infrastructure project (national railway, duplicating Highway 1 etc). During that time they do an appreticeship with the local contractor, get English lessons, drivers licence etc (2 afternoons p/w school) and an annual First Aid cert. Then after 5 years they get citizenship and a house in a country town. No more ghetto neighbourhoods, everyone can communicate, country towns get populated with families that have a trade and can contribute to the community. Keeps rural shops & schools viable and spreads the population outside of major cities.

It's a win - win, because there's no way anyone could get that far in 5 years on their own, and the country benefits.

[dobbo]

What I have observed is the blokes who cannot for the life of them get funky with another human being. Then some how on an overseas trip they end up married to a woman. Next thing you know the borders are opened up (in more than one sense).

There is one way to stop this, all the Shazza's and Shirlies have to occassionally take one for Australias border security.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

The thing I find interesting is that despite all the financial and emotional impediments to immigration people are coming in larger numbers than ever. Australia must really offer something that these people can't get anywhere else in the world.

[ivery819]

There is one way to stop this, all the Shazza's and Shirlies have to occassionally take one for Australias border security.


Hey dobbo

Do you think part of the problem is all the Shirlies getting funky with the Shazzas ?
:bat:

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[dobbo]

Hey dobbo

Do you think part of the problem is all the Shirlies getting funky with the Shazzas ?
:bat:

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

But most of them look like Bazza's and Charlies and have a BBR rating of over 10.

[Bigbjorn]

I was talking to an Irish couple whose family is in Aus. it's costing them $70K to fast track their immigration!!

I reckon anyone who arrives illegally has shown they definately want to be here. So after security checks are okay, they should enter a 5 year contract to work on a major infrastructure project (national railway, duplicating Highway 1 etc). During that time they do an appreticeship with the local contractor, get English lessons, drivers licence etc (2 afternoons p/w school) and an annual First Aid cert. Then after 5 years they get citizenship and a house in a country town. No more ghetto neighbourhoods, everyone can communicate, country towns get populated with families that have a trade and can contribute to the community. Keeps rural shops & schools viable and spreads the population outside of major cities.

It's a win - win, because there's no way anyone could get that far in 5 years on their own, and the country benefits.

In the 1950's the Government tried forcing migrants to live and work wherever sent for two years after arrival. They even tried putting boatloads into North Qld ports to try to solve the shortage of cane harvest labour. Total failure. Within weeks most were in Sydney & Melbourne where jobs were then plentiful. Working in factories was infinitely preferable to the gruelling labour of cutting and topping and loading cane and lifting and shifting portable tramline. The problems of rural depopulation will never be solved by making people live in the bush. Rural life has to be made attractive. Country workers voted with their feet in the 50's-60's when city jobs became readily available and still are. What jobs are there for young people in most country towns? Manual labour for the boys, and bar and waitressing for the girls. A car assembly plant, major factory or similar employing a thousand or two breadwinners would do more for any country district than any number of government programmes.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...they should enter a 5 year contract to work on a major infrastructure project (national railway, duplicating Highway 1 etc). ...
Wot national infrastructure projects?

Where? :(

Anywhere?? :( :(

There must be at least one somewhere? :mad:

[ivery819]

Wot national infrastructure projects?

Where? :(

Anywhere?? :( :(

There must be at least one somewhere? :mad:

There is.
Telstra wants the lion's share of the new allocations to upgrade broadband.:mad:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/03/2381527.htm'section=justin

[DirtyDawg]

What I have observed is the blokes who cannot for the life of them get funky with another human being. Then some how on an overseas trip they end up married to a woman. Next thing you know the borders are opened up (in more than one sense).

There is one way to stop this, all the Shazza's and Shirlies have to occassionally take one for Australias border security.


You crack me up:D:D

"I'm not a ****, I'm saving the country, one man at a time":D:D

[gruntfuttock]

A certain friend of mine who shall remain nameless, and is now retired from the immigration Dept. (he was one of THE big wigs) service told me "Off the record" that Officially Australia does not have any preference to any country, however if you are of Asian appearance you have the three qualifactions to get in to Australia quicker.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

I was talking to an Irish couple whose family is in Aus. it's costing them $70K to fast track their immigration!!

I reckon anyone who arrives illegally has shown they definately want to be here. So after security checks are okay, they should enter a 5 year contract to work on a major infrastructure project (national railway, duplicating Highway 1 etc). During that time they do an appreticeship with the local contractor, get English lessons, drivers licence etc (2 afternoons p/w school) and an annual First Aid cert. Then after 5 years they get citizenship and a house in a country town. No more ghetto neighbourhoods, everyone can communicate, country towns get populated with families that have a trade and can contribute to the community. Keeps rural shops & schools viable and spreads the population outside of major cities.

It's a win - win, because there's no way anyone could get that far in 5 years on their own, and the country benefits.

If you come into this country illegally and you get caught, you should be shown the door no questions asked, ON YER BIKE NEVER TO RETURN!
What do you think it promotes when they contact their family and friends back home and tell them to pack into the next matchbox sailing downunder and skip immigration because when you get caught, you get everything given to you. FFS
Its harder to do a security check on someone here than it is in their own country. Most if not all of them lie about who they are anyway.
Even refugee status here is a huge load of beauracratic ****.
I live in an area that used to be quite good. Now we have a bunch of do gooder churchgoing God wailing socially blind biblebashers helping a certain large continental country offload all their extra populus in mine and many other suburbs. For poor, politically oppressed people, I see an aweful lot wandering around like "homeboys" wearing gold chains and watches, wearing all the homie streetwear, getting their phone, power, water etc all paid for them, being moved into rental properties that even a couple earning $90k - $100K a year would struggle to pay for.
I know of 4 people in my area who have put their homes up for sale because of the constant problems with police visits to these houses, the mass congregating of these people in public parks and the increase in the crime rate.
We have our fair share of born and bred Australians here that are too lazy to get off their asses and get a job, but if you are going to let people into this country, make sure they have something to give.
I did not get a free lunch in this country and I'll be ****ED if I am going to pay for someone elses, particularly when they continue acting like they are in the place they came from.
EDUCATE THOSE WHO ARE HERE FIRST, NOT THOSE WHO SHOULDN'T!!

[F4Phantom]

On Q&A the other night the question was raised on our upper limit or population cap in Australia. I think this is a very good question as we should decide how many people our land can support very long term, then cap at that number. Its a very difficult task as immigration is saving us with tax payers for the future but surely we can now recognise that world population levels cannot rise forever.

The pollies were not willing to answer or even give real credibility to the question as I doubt it would be something their party would have an answer on but I think its a problem we will need to start to address.

My population cap is 25 million. Gives us room to move while we come up with a solution.

[loanrangie]

The thing I find interesting is that despite all the financial and emotional impediments to immigration people are coming in larger numbers than ever. Australia must really offer something that these people can't get anywhere else in the world.

You need to ask this ? this is the best lump of dirt on the planet :D

[Captain_Rightfoot]

You need to ask this ? this is the best lump of dirt on the planet :D

Actually I didn't ask it. I said I found it interesting :)

[pommie]

You need to ask this ? this is the best lump of dirt on the planet :D

That's exactly right.
I came to Australia on permanent residency "skilled migrant" programme (note the proper "m" & "e" !).

Now, you would think, that as Australia has designated that my UK Govt paid for degree and skills set are useful to the country - then they would make it "easy". Well, on the contrary - unless you have undergone the process, you cannot understand the exquisite level of paperwork, expense and bureaucracy involved.
I was poked and prodded (literally), fingerprinted twice (once for a background police check by FBI no less), interviewed, tested (a couple of different times - in a couple of different ways), I saw expensive specialists (because of a dumb mistake by a Immigration Dept doctor). Nothing less than harrowing. In all - I spent around $5k, and 2 years living in limbo.

And then 2 years later after that.. more money, and more stupid testing, and more police checks (as I have a common name for criminals in every state of australia apparently!!), and I got citizenship. And then more money to get a passport.

So if any of you think coming to live in Australia is easy.... you are very wrong. But it's worth it in the end ! :D

[clean32]

Easy to live in Australia, now that’s a joke
I am a Kiwi, no family left alive apart from my Wife and Son.
We arrived in Australia in March this year after 2 years in the Russian federation, 3 years in china and 3 years in Thailand.
We chose Adelaide mainly because of the young fellow and as a place to put down roots.
As my wife is not Australian or Kiwi and the option of going to NZ is long and painful, unlike an aussie with a EURO wife. In fact I have an email from NZ immigration stating that if I wish to live with my wife I should live in a different country.
But Australia was a much more attractive option anyway. My wife to get a visa was quite simple, police FSB ( KGB) ( same for me) report and medical. And easier because the Australian embassy had some knowledge of us for some time.
But once here. Now that’s a different story
Imagine you get off the plane with your 20Kg’s each.
How do you get your 100 ID points to open a bank account? Rent a house? Get the power Gas turned on? Register a car in your name? It’s a pain in the backside. If it wasn’t for a real-estate agent (number 12) who took pity on us and his mate a bank manager we would be stuffed.
We are not eligible for Medi care or family benefits.
Our intention was to do residence and citizenship, but that seems like its not going to be easy as I have to do the same as if I was from England or china etc. in fact its harder because I will not get all the points for English, it would be easier if I came from a non English speaking country where I studied English = more points + points for a second language. Even though I now speak 3 languages well and another 3 OK ish.
Work, well I have gone from earning over 200K usd to 50Kaud. Now I am not complaining about a drop in income but I am in SA borderline unemployable. I can’t even get a part time cleaning job and that’s with a Ba and a Be.


Rant over.

[longreach]

;);):cool:
That's exactly right.
I came to Australia on permanent residency "skilled migrant" programme (note the proper "m" & "e" !).

Now, you would think, that as Australia has designated that my UK Govt paid for degree and skills set are useful to the country - then they would make it "easy". Well, on the contrary - unless you have undergone the process, you cannot understand the exquisite level of paperwork, expense and bureaucracy involved.
I was poked and prodded (literally), fingerprinted twice (once for a background police check by FBI no less), interviewed, tested (a couple of different times - in a couple of different ways), I saw expensive specialists (because of a dumb mistake by a Immigration Dept doctor). Nothing less than harrowing. In all - I spent around $5k, and 2 years living in limbo.

And then 2 years later after that.. more money, and more stupid testing, and more police checks (as I have a common name for criminals in every state of australia apparently!!), and I got citizenship. And then more money to get a passport.

So if any of you think coming to live in Australia is easy.... you are very wrong. But it's worth it in the end ! :D
well,well,well ,haven't time changed,just over two hundred years ago,all you had to be was a prostatute or a criminal,charged with stealing a loaf of bread,or a pocket handkerchief,and you could of got a free trip,free board,and a ticket of leave,after a couple of years,to live in this country...no 100 point in them days:Rolling:

[Bigbjorn]

You mean the selection criteria have changed?

[pommie]

Easy to live in Australia, now that’s a joke
I am a Kiwi, no family left alive apart from my Wife and Son.
We arrived in Australia in March this year after 2 years in the Russian federation, 3 years in china and 3 years in Thailand.
We chose Adelaide mainly because of the young fellow and as a place to put down roots.
As my wife is not Australian or Kiwi and the option of going to NZ is long and painful, unlike an aussie with a EURO wife. In fact I have an email from NZ immigration stating that if I wish to live with my wife I should live in a different country.
But Australia was a much more attractive option anyway. My wife to get a visa was quite simple, police FSB ( KGB) ( same for me) report and medical. And easier because the Australian embassy had some knowledge of us for some time.
But once here. Now that’s a different story
Imagine you get off the plane with your 20Kg’s each.
How do you get your 100 ID points to open a bank account? Rent a house? Get the power Gas turned on? Register a car in your name? It’s a pain in the backside. If it wasn’t for a real-estate agent (number 12) who took pity on us and his mate a bank manager we would be stuffed.
We are not eligible for Medi care or family benefits.
Our intention was to do residence and citizenship, but that seems like its not going to be easy as I have to do the same as if I was from England or china etc. in fact its harder because I will not get all the points for English, it would be easier if I came from a non English speaking country where I studied English = more points + points for a second language. Even though I now speak 3 languages well and another 3 OK ish.
Work, well I have gone from earning over 200K usd to 50Kaud. Now I am not complaining about a drop in income but I am in SA borderline unemployable. I can’t even get a part time cleaning job and that’s with a Ba and a Be.


Rant over.

Yes... that sounds about right... and before anyone starts on the "but then guys you can bring in hoards of elderly relatives to sponge blah blah blah" ... my parents - aged, and living off their own assets - not a UK state pension, were told that to migrate to Australia as part of the family reunion programme - they would have to put in place huge deposits for future medical care (and I mean HUGE), or show that they are bringing more than $1M cash into the country (which would mean selling their house first). An alternative would be to wait in the "free" queue for many many years with everyone else.

They would like to come - and bring their money, and pay their income taxes here - but to be honest - it's a massive amount of hassle for medicals, trips to london, and too much prying for oldies... all too hard.

[2 rocks]

Don't mean to be hijacking, but having looked into Citizenship (which I still want to do), I found it frustrating and deeply ironic that I arrived here form the UK with my parents in 1969, I was four and bit years old, and find myself in limbo.

Australia is the only home I've really known. I grew up here, went to school and uni, bought property, I pay taxes and have to vote. Imagine the shock of discovering that to be recognised as a citizen of my country - I have to sit some long winded "exam" made up of things I learnt in primary and high school (and like many of us have since forgotten!). :eek:

Now many mmay ask, "well why didn't you do something sooner"? I admit, yes that is my fault (I've never had a passport so...), I suppose it was complacency - this was my home, I was Australian in all but my Birth Certificate.

So while some people arrive escaping ravaged homelands (which is fair enough) and get their ticket "stamped", I guess I'll be downloading and studying Becoming an Australian Citizen and getting in the queue with all the other "new Australians" - a truly bizarre feeling. :(

Cheers
Mike

[gruntfuttock]

It is like I said before,
Australia will accept people from any country equally. However some countries are more equal than others. Basically it is the $ that talks. Sad, wrong, unjust, but that seems to be the way it is, and that is why my friend got out of the immigration dept. (He got ulcers in the stomach because of his job and how things were "bent")
Unofficially some embassies have been told to "discourage immigration" whilst others are told the opposite.

[ramblingboy42]

I cant recall who it was said in a lecture on the ABC some 20 years ago that australia could not sustain a population of over 20million mostly due to its water availability but also the ability to maintain its own food supplies because of extermely limited arable land. Its happening now, Brisbane does not look able to sustain a reasonable supply of water to allow everyone to live the lifestyles they want. Brisbane councils and shires also allowed developers to build housing estates on SE Qld's most arable land ie, the Redland bay/Thornlands area where nearly all of brisbanes fresh produce was once grown.Now all these people living there demand their services and foods grown in some other less productive area requiring more water and soil treatment for the same output. This is happening all over the country....the Murray Darling network, unless seeded with heavy rain or winter snows is suffering badly. It really is time for zero population growth in this country or our children are really going to suffer. To that end I believe its time for a very reduced migration policy....I'm not at all racist.....we just shouldnt let more people into the country.

[gruntfuttock]

I remember something along those lines aswell. I agree with you.


I cant recall who it was said in a lecture on the ABC some 20 years ago that australia could not sustain a population of over 20million mostly due to its water availability but also the ability to maintain its own food supplies because of extermely limited arable land. Its happening now, Brisbane does not look able to sustain a reasonable supply of water to allow everyone to live the lifestyles they want. Brisbane councils and shires also allowed developers to build housing estates on SE Qld's most arable land ie, the Redland bay/Thornlands area where nearly all of brisbanes fresh produce was once grown.Now all these people living there demand their services and foods grown in some other less productive area requiring more water and soil treatment for the same output. This is happening all over the country....the Murray Darling network, unless seeded with heavy rain or winter snows is suffering badly. It really is time for zero population growth in this country or our children are really going to suffer. To that end I believe its time for a very reduced migration policy....I'm not at all racist.....we just shouldnt let more people into the country.