Sump Bolt

[Yorkie]

ok folks, advice pls.
went to do an oil change and first thing drain the oil, simple matter of undoing the sump plug you say!, seems due to 1. being too tight & 2. my crap socket set i have rounded the nut. tried multigrips and now well an truely butchered :mad:
so whats the best way to get the bolt out and what size thread is it to replace the sump plug?
appreciate your comments and looks like it may be heading to the mechanic tuesday at this stage.
cheers
Yorkie

[justinc]

This isn't as uncommon as you think Yorkie, the plug is recessed into the sump on early Td5's, (Changed later thank goodness) and I have had grind thinner a single hex 17mm impact socket to fit. They are sometimes overtightened and it is a pain to loosen them without the right sized/ modified socket:mad:

If the plug is THAT butchered, then it can be undone using a cold chisel, but will not be able to be refitted again. Can't recall the thread size, but M14 rings a bell... Get a genuine one, and a new washer. Maybe even grind off the protruding part surrounding the sump plug while you are at it:twisted:



JC

[spudboy]

If it wasn't such a big bolt, I'd suggest cutting a groove in it with a fine grinding wheel or a hacksaw or a dremel tool and trying to get it out with a big screwdriver, but I don't reckon that's going to be a goer.

Can you file 2 parallel sides and try it with an open ended spanner 1 or 2 mm smaller than the original size?

[scarry]

The drain plug on the diff on our work vans have a real thin head & is 22mm,i think.It is also recessed.I rounded one off,eventually got it.

I gave it a few big hits with a hammer,and also ground off the end of a socket,so it grips better.

If yuo look at the end of the socket that goes on the bolt head,you may find is sort of tapered,& grinding 5mm off the end will make it grip better.

I then got a new bolt.

Yours may be to far gone,& needs the services of a mechanic.

Good Luck

[mike 90 RR]

If its a stuck sump bolt .... Then this is your best weapon of choice


:twisted: http://pipewrench.org/10skhand.jpg :twisted:



Mike


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[HangOver]

If its a stuck sump bolt .... Then this is your best weapon of choice
:twisted: http://pipewrench.org/10skhand.jpg :twisted:
Mike
:)

What said ;) if you can get it on the nut the hrder you pull the tighter it gets

Wonder if you could spot weld an old socket extension bar onto it just to get it out?

[Yorkie]

:D
went to bunnies and bought a socket for removing stuck nuts, called vicegrip or something. anyway it came out with the help of a FBH!
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5116/nutrl4.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nutrl4.jpg)https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
now just have to hope my local supercarp or auto-one have one tomorrow. has to be local as only have the one car and have to walk to get it :D
thanks the tips all and hope to be solved now.
cheers
yorkie

[feral]

This is what a mechanic told me what to do if a sump plug is very tight.

The major problem is that you do not have enough force to keep the socket on the plug AND undo at the same time.

The trick is that you use a trolley or bottle jack and set this up underneath the car with your socket, extension bar and breaker bar. You position everything under the sump plug and you literally lift the engine with the socket, breaker bar in place. Now that socket and breaker bar is not going anywhere as it is jammed between jack and sump plug and the added weight of the engine.

Now you just undo the sump plug. It only takes a small crack and she's off.

Works every time apparently :p

[rovercare]

This is what a mechanic told me what to do if a sump plug is very tight.

The major problem is that you do not have enough force to keep the socket on the plug AND undo at the same time.

The trick is that you use a trolley or bottle jack and set this up underneath the car with your socket, extension bar and breaker bar. You position everything under the sump plug and you literally lift the engine with the socket, breaker bar in place. Now that socket and breaker bar is not going anywhere as it is jammed between jack and sump plug and the added weight of the engine.

Now you just undo the sump plug. It only takes a small crack and she's off.

Works every time apparently :p

Or just buy some single hex sockets:D

[Boris]

The other thing to do, will again need a new plug, is to use a cold chizel as a driver. You strike the blade of the cold chizel into the ruined plug face in an anticlockwise [undo] direction. Should move it as you get the combined torque and shock at the same time.

Similar principle to an impact driver.

[feral]

This is what a mechanic told me what to do if a sump plug is very tight.

The major problem is that you do not have enough force to keep the socket on the plug AND undo at the same time.

The trick is that you use a trolley or bottle jack and set this up underneath the car with your socket, extension bar and breaker bar. You position everything under the sump plug and you literally lift the engine with the socket, breaker bar in place. Now that socket and breaker bar is not going anywhere as it is jammed between jack and sump plug and the added weight of the engine.

Now you just undo the sump plug. It only takes a small crack and she's off.

Works every time apparently :p


Or just buy some single hex sockets:D


.......from Supercheap Auto's :o


Doesn't work every time :D:D:cool:

[Bush65]

I'd like to have a set of these for such occasions, but haven't seen any on sale.

[HangOver]

i just remembered I have a set of spanners that grip on the flat edges of a nut for when the corners are rounded.
They where from supercheap for about $15 i think

[spudboy]

I've gots meself a set of these from Irwin:
http://www.irwintools.com.au/cdetail.php?cType=p&region=aus&catCode=0&Cat=Bolt-Grip&crumb=<a+href%3Dallproducts.php%3FcType%3Dp>All+Products</a>+>>+<a+href%3Dallproducts.php%3FCat%3DTaps%252C%2BDies% 2B%2526%2BExtraction%26crumb%3D%253Ca%2Bhref%253Da llproducts.php%253FcType%253Dp%253EAll%2BProducts% 253C%252Fa%253E%26catCode%3D0>Taps,+Dies+%26+Extraction</a>+>>+<a+href%3Dallproducts.php%3FCat%3DBolt%2BExtractors %26crumb%3D%253Ca%2Bhref%253Dallproducts.php%253Fc Type%253Dp%253EAll%2BProducts%253C%252Fa%253E%2B%2 53E%253E%2B%253Ca%2Bhref%253Dallproducts.php%253FC at%253DTaps%25252C%252BDies%252B%252526%252BExtrac tion%2526crumb%253D%25253Ca%252Bhref%25253Dallprod ucts.php%25253FcType%25253Dp%25253EAll%252BProduct s%25253C%25252Fa%25253E%2526catCode%253D0%253ETaps %252C%2BDies%2B%2526%2BExtraction%253C%252Fa%253E% 26catCode%3D0>Bolt+Extractors</a>

They were $47 from GasWeld

[spudboy]

http://www.irwin.dk/imagesPMED/Bolt-Grip_Single.jpg


Bolt-Grip

For the removal of corroded, burred, over-painted, damaged and irregular fasteners. Suits imperial and metric bolt heads. BOLT-GRIP™ sockets can be used with ratchets, impact wrenches, spanners and even VISE-GRIP® locking pliers

[spudboy]

http://www.irwin.dk/imagesPMED/Bolt-Grip_Single.jpg

[spudboy]

Boy - that was hard work. Excuse the rubbish URL in the first post I tried :(

I copied and pasted it using Google Chrome, no idea why it's different than IE

[LandyAndy]

Like the look of that Spudboy:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
The bolt is a pig to get out because its a steel bolt in an alloy sump.The metals dont like one another and cause the issue.As Rovercare says,a single hex socket will fix it.Allows you to use alot more pain on the lever without rounding the head;);););)
Andrew

[Gillie]

:D
anyway it came out with the help of a FBH!

cheers
yorkie

FBH! :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[Yorkie]

thats the set i got from bunnies, irwin sockets. about $49 for half set which did the job, spend another $49 and you can get the other half :o
so if anyone needs a lend of them in west sydney get in touch :cool:
cheers
yorkie

[ssv8pilot]

Can someone advise what the actual socket/spanner size is for TD1 series 1?

Thanks

[martinozcmax]

If its a stuck sump bolt .... Then this is your best weapon of choice


:twisted: http://pipewrench.org/10skhand.jpg :twisted:



Mike


:)

Good idea Mike, that's what worked on my stuck sump bolt. I reckon it had been done up by Tarzan on steroids. I know it comes off very easily now cause I make sure it's tight after an oil service but not hero tight !

Good luck with it.

Martin

[kenworth 600]

stiill haveing trouble getting sump plug any ideas:mad: