Whats TC like in sand?

[Hendrik]

Soon I'll be taking my D2 on its first beach trip, so I'm keen to know before I go what the traction control is like in the sand. Is it a pain and if so, is there a way to turn it off?

Advice would be handy thanks

[scarry]

No problems at all,keep tyre pressures low,around 18 to 22 psi depending on conditions,use sports mode if its an auto.Keep momentum up & right foot firmly planted & you shouldnt have any worries.:)

Umm....watch your speed with tyre pressures low or you will cook them.

Engage cdl if you have one

[Xavie]

hmm.... despite my experiences being in a different vehicle I was not impressed with TC in sand.

I found on the soft stuff it was a hinderance and almost turned it off. Not sure how you can in the D2. Either the Fuse or press the brake pedal 10 times or whatever it is. Can't exactly remember but it is on here if you try a search.

Xav

[LandyAndy]

OK
Sand,its great,as mentioned air down keep the momentum up.LOCK THE CDL IF YOU ARE ABLE,works much better.
DEEP SOFT sand,not the best,depends greatly on tyre size,treadtype and driver skill.Always back up on your tracks before starting off,helps HEAPS.
You can disable on early D2s by locking the CDL then turning the key fully off.On restart the TC/ABS lights will glow.If you stall with CDL locked simply restart without turning the key fully off,ABS/TC remains operative.
Goodluck
Andrew

[McDisco]

You'll be fine. I watched my brother in law claw up a dune with no cdl and just TC and it worked fine. Doesnt go off too much.

Angus

[Slunnie]

I've found ETC to be fine in sand.

It supplements whatever 4WD setup you're running. If you drop the tyre pressures to what they need to be, then the ETC barely triggers and it gives no problems. If you do have problems then your pressures are too high. Even on the softest sand at Stockton Beach in NSW the ETC non-eventful. But up in QLD when you get onto the firmer sand, I've found that the ETC is really useful as when you drive over areas where people have been bogged, the ETC keeps pushing the Disco forward.

I tend to think that where ETC isn't as good in a D2 at least, is when climbing dunes with the CDL unlocked as it feeds a lot of power out through front spinning wheels as they unload their weight to the rear. Lock the CDL and up she goes (generally), but I think the underlying problem there is the 4WD setup rather than the action of the ETC.

Dont be afraid to drop your tyre pressure right down low. On my Disco (33" tyres) I run 12-15psi on Stockton, 15-20psi on Fraser Island, 20psi in the Simpson.

[Milton477]

Just done Fraser with my D2 & camper trailer. The D2 with traction control is just about unstoppable. We dragged a Pajero with a box trailer up the exit to Dilli Villiage & dragged a Totota Kluger backwards out of the sand on the return from Lake McKenzie. The infamous Indian Head was an insult to the D2's capabilities.

I run my 245/70/16 Cooper ATRs at 18psi & the camper trailer at 10psi to give the same length footprint. I found that I could stop in deep sand where others with hard tyres were sticking & then pull away again with no fuss. The TC very rarely engaged. Before the trip, I had found the diff lock spindle on the transfer case so that if TC failed, I had an alternative.

Have a good trip. Remember, yor D2 is AWESOME in the sand with the tyres down & a bit of common sense.

[Hendrik]

Thanks for the advice guys, much appreciated. Can't wait to take her to the beach, should be a good trip.

[ozscott]

Just thought I would resurrect this thread. I came back a month ago from Fraser - very dry after no rain for a long time. I have on video some nice footage of me going through indian head and stopping in front of a GU Patrol ute with big tyres stuck deep and being snatched out backwards. I stopped dead and then took off with the TCS just ticking a little to stop wheel spin and idled through the spot where he had been stuck...sure go some looks from the toyo and nismo driver:) I have no CDL. I was using Scorpion 265/70/16 at 18psi. There were 100 series and 80 series getting stuck at Indian and the 02 Disco (V8 Manual) just did it easy. My mate in his late 02 V8 Man (with CDL locked) did it easy too with General Grabber AT2 in the same tyre size as mine...but in reality his 265's are a little bigger again. Found in the cross axle sections of inland tracks with very deep soft ruts the TCS went off more than at Indian (as expected) and it worked brilliantly. The Brit tourists took plenty of snaps when the 2 of us idled through past 100 series and patrols etc stuck at Indian!!!

Cheers

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I think TC is excellent in sand. There have been a few times on Fraser when I've felt the car start to dig and then TC cuts in and the thing climbs out of the hole it was digging for itself!

[Blknight.aus]

this is why you own a landrover as opposed to the other breeds, you have a brain.

but the forum rules state, it didnt happen without pics.

[Zute]

Yep, need the video.:)

[Hastykiwi]

I just joined these forums, and recently did a trip through the Gnangarra Pine platation in Perth in my 00D2 so htought i would offer my view

The tyres were well down , around 18psi for this trip, and there was little activity from the TC. I did have one moment on a longer climb where i noticed it engaging and it did start to rob power when momentum was needed.

I have noticed the comments re engaging the CDL. My model does not have it, and wondered on what models it was resurrected, or have u guys just reinstalled this feature? Also regarding turning the Tc function off. Is this really possible?

Nick

[Pedro_The_Swift]

read here--
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/good-oil/39956-cdl-d2s.html

[Slunnie]

I just joined these forums, and recently did a trip through the Gnangarra Pine platation in Perth in my 00D2 so htought i would offer my view

The tyres were well down , around 18psi for this trip, and there was little activity from the TC. I did have one moment on a longer climb where i noticed it engaging and it did start to rob power when momentum was needed.

I have noticed the comments re engaging the CDL. My model does not have it, and wondered on what models it was resurrected, or have u guys just reinstalled this feature? Also regarding turning the Tc function off. Is this really possible?

Nick
Yours will still have the CDL, its just not connected to the transfer lever. You can buy MY03 tranfer lever assemblies which will reactivate your CDL.

[ozscott]

No pics just Video...I have been able to download it to the computer and made a DVD albeit the quality isnt quite as good as playing the Mini DV straight to the TV. Now I just have to work out how to load it to Youtube (I dont think there is another way to load it up) and then I would stick a link here.

I havent got that far yet. I will see if my mate has taken some video/pics with his camera also.

Cheers

PS. As if you fellas really need proof that a Disco outgunned Toyo and Nissans in soft sand!

[Slunnie]

No pics just Video...I have been able to download it to the computer and made a DVD albeit the quality isnt quite as good as playing the Mini DV straight to the TV. Now I just have to work out how to load it to Youtube (I dont think there is another way to load it up) and then I would stick a link here.

I havent got that far yet. I will see if my mate has taken some video/pics with his camera also.

Cheers

PS. As if you fellas really need proof that a Disco outgunned Toyo and Nissans in soft sand!
Actually, I'm really not sure why but Patrols specifically seem to be amazingly poor in sand in my opinion.

[dhard]

Actually, I'm really not sure why but Patrols specifically seem to be amazingly poor in sand in my opinion.
Driver mentality not vehicle.

[ozscott]

I suspect its because of the weight combined with low slung diffs is part of it. Driver mentality - yep probably because all their mates reckon you cant go past a GU:) Then there is the gearing and torque curves...the big petrol 6 in the GU isnt as torquey off the mark as you would reckon for such a big donk, although the 4.2TD would be pretty flash off idle.

Cheers

[Redback]

OK here's me going up Big Red in the Simpson, probably not the best example but you get the idea, never got a peep out of the TC.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/th_MOV05731.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/?action=view&current=MOV05731.flv)

Baz.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

so,, Bazz,, you had to stop at the top to put the fire out??
;):p

[Hastykiwi]

Gnangarra plantation. Stock D2. Had to have a second crack at this hill, steeper and longer than it looks. But made it up unassisted. Can't say the same for the modified LC's and patrols.

[ozscott]

nice fellas nice

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Actually, I'm really not sure why but Patrols specifically seem to be amazingly poor in sand in my opinion.

Lets do the figures.

Nissan patrol ST 3.0l diesel Auto 2420kg
Nissan patrol ST 4.2 diesel Man 2530kg

And my favourite...

Landcruiser Sahara Diesel 2645kg

and.... a 2007 Defender 1977kg. Note that this is a EEC kerb weight that includes a 70 kg driver, 13kg for luggage, and 3/4 tank of fuel (50kg). I make that about 1850kg as a direct comparison.

I reckon that's a pretty big reason.... About 800kg on a sahara. :o

[scarry]

A nephew of mine had a 99 LC diesel trayback.Bloody uncomfortable,slow& leaked gear oil :D:D

I had a 01 td5 disco in those days NO CDL,and one day we spent some time sorting which was better climbing some real soft & steep sand dunes.The TD5 stopped at least a car lenght ahead every time.
Both vehicles were stock,although the trayback did not have skinny split rims,it had rims with 265/70/16 tyres.All tyres were on 18psi.

With sand driving,if your tyres are on around 18psi,& you keep momentum up,you wont have many problems.


The TD5 disco isnt a lot lighter than a 3litre pootrol

Maybe the landy drivers not only have a better vehicle,but also know what they are doing
My brother in law has a GU patrol,& my disco kills it in sand:D

And for that matter in most other areas as well:)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

The TD5 disco isnt a lot lighter than a 3litre pootrol



Actually it is. A 03 Discovery2 td5 Auto Weighs 2088, which is closer to 1950 in jap spec. So that's nearly 500kg. :o

[Redback]

Actually it is. A 03 Discovery2 td5 Auto Weighs 2088, which is closer to 1950 in jap spec. So that's nearly 500kg. :o

Where did you get those figures from Captain, my owners manual says;

TD5 is 2195kg to 2300kg

V8 is 2140kg to 2255kg


Baz.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Where did you get those figures from Captain, my owners manual says;

TD5 is 2195kg to 2300kg

V8 is 2140kg to 2255kg


Baz.

I got it from Redbook. It was kerb weight. Normally it's pretty right. It was good for the Defender.

Was it kerb weight in the manual?

[Redback]

I got it from Redbook. It was kerb weight. Normally it's pretty right. It was good for the Defender.

Was it kerb weight in the manual?

That is the kerb weight or Tare weight of the D2 (ie) dry weight.

GVM is 2880KG Diesel, 2825KG Petrol

The weight difference is the spec of the model (ie) S, SE, HSE, S being the lighter no ACE/SLS and so on.

[scarry]

Where did you get those figures from Captain, my owners manual says;

TD5 is 2195kg to 2300kg

V8 is 2140kg to 2255kg


Baz.

I had a bit of a look around,and as i thought,around 2250kg kerb,depending on spec,not far off a GU.

Maybe i will go to the dump & check mine on the weighbridge:D;)

[Tusker]

snip


OK here's me going up Big Red in the Simpson, probably not the best example but you get the idea, never got a peep out of the TC.


Baz.

What, no camper trailer? Thought they could go anywhere?:wasntme:

Back on topic, TC doesn't operate above a certain speed? I daresay you were going to fast for TC.

Regards
Max P

[Graeme]

<snip> Back on topic, TC doesn't operate above a certain speed? I daresay you were going to fast for TC.

Regards
Max P
TC works up to 100kph on a D2, although only in axle pairs over 50kph.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

What do you mean by "axle pairs" Greame?

[Slunnie]

I think that they come in heavier than that suggested. My rego papers had on them that my TD5 auto weighed just over 2000kg. The weighbridge added another 300kg to that with the inclusion of a bull bar and fuel load.

[Graeme]

What do you mean by "axle pairs" Greame?
That's from the WSM and I assume its both wheels on an axle, not just 1 wheel.

[Redback]

snip



What, no camper trailer? Thought they could go anywhere?:wasntme:

Back on topic, TC doesn't operate above a certain speed? I daresay you were going to fast for TC.

Regards
Max P

I was just testing the water so too speak:p

When we crossed the Simpson, i tried a few things to see what would be the easiest with the camper on, tried it without the centre locked, then with it locked and also low and high range.

For us the easiest was high range with the centre locked, i spent most of the trip in either first or second gear high range, i can tell you the TC goes off quite a lot when you have 1300kg on the back, especially when the sand was soft.

Baz.

[Graeme]

<snip>
For us the easiest was high range with the centre locked, i spent most of the trip in either first or second gear high range, i can tell you the TC goes off quite a lot when you have 1300kg on the back, especially when the sand was soft.

Baz.
Do you know that TC has different operating parameters for low range, whereby it allows more slip?

[Captain_Rightfoot]

wwhat I can say is that with the centre diff locked, and the front and rear duffs locked as well the TC goes on holiday :) . Steering can be problematic though ;o

[Redback]

Do you know that TC has different operating parameters for low range, whereby it allows more slip?

I found that in low range, the TC would be going off more as we were spinning the wheels more with all the weight we had, so high range seemed to work best.


When was that Baz? I ask only because it looks like it was a straight up and over track. We did it in 2006 & were there again this year and the track over now has a nice dogleg in it, where I had a buttock-clenching moment :D

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/29956-buttock-clenching-moment.html

We haven't found the TC a problem at all in desert driving but desert dune driving requires slightly different technique to beach/beach dune driving anyway (beach sand often much softer and dune sand softer on the way up)

July 2005, the Dogleg was there to the right going up, it was the chicken track, there was a track to the left of the one i'm going up, that had a dogleg too, but was much steeper, if you were to go up that you would end up where the people were standing to film me.

I have a pic looking at Big Red from the west side i'll post it tonight, I'll also checkout your vid too:D

Baz.

[Redback]

BIG RED 2005

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/DSC05784.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/DSC05783.jpg

Baz.