Hard hit for a 2007 Defender :(

[Scouse]

Big tree, dead centre at what looks like high speed is not a pretty sight.

ManheimFowles - Vehicle Details - Salvage (http://www.manheimfowles.com.au/find_buy/power_search/?unit_key=87022_AU272461558-87022;detail_tab=vinfo;fulltext=land%20rover;inclu de_salvage=;salvage_only=1;state_all=1;model_all=1 ;rm=view_detail)

It reminds me of a similar hit I saw years ago on a LR Aust 130 crew cab.

[mark2]

Anyone want to guess what the speed at impact was?


I'll say 40km/hr.

[dullbird]

a repairable write off:o.......i would of thought that was way to damaged.

i hope the person driving is ok:(

[abaddonxi]

Listed as a repairable write-off.:eek:

Cheers
Simon

[dullbird]

Listed as a repairable write-off.:eek:

Cheers
Simon

there must be an echo in here:D

[Phoenix]

no way is that not bent beyond what is safe to repair!

[Slunnie]

I thought the same. The only thing that is probably still good in that is the wheels. Even the rear pinion has probably been smashed through.

[dullbird]

well if the driver is luck enough to be under the 12 months of it being a brand new car...doesn't he/she just get a new replacement

[mark2]

well if the driver is luck enough to be under the 12 months of it being a brand new car...doesn't he/she just get a new replacement

I think it depends on who you're insured with

[dlatn]

Going by the oil stains on the concrete, it appears to still be mechanically sound. Just needs a bit of cut and polish on the front end.
But seriously, whose was it? Somebody from here?

[dullbird]

Going by the oil stains on the concrete, it appears to still be mechanically sound. Just needs a bit of cut and polish on the front end.
But seriously, whose was it? Somebody from here?


you cant polish out dents on a defender....they are just character lines:angel:

it wanted to be a series.....thats it someone saw DM_TD5's version and tried to replicate it:D

[Slunnie]

you cant polish out dents on a defender....they are just character lines:angel:

it wanted to be a series.....thats it someone saw DM_TD5's version and tried to replicate it:D
Yeah, I've seen dents bigger than that come from the factory. :lol2:

[solmanic]

Who said Defenders don't have crumple zones? I would like to see a shot of the interior to find out where the engine ended up. Doesn't look like there was much intrusion into the cabin although I bet the driver would have liked an air-bag or two.

[gruntfuttock]

Just looking at the indent in the front, I would say more like a light pole than a tree.

[Scouse]

Who said Defenders don't have crumple zones? I would like to see a shot of the interior to find out where the engine ended up. Doesn't look like there was much intrusion into the cabin although I bet the driver would have liked an air-bag or two.The last one that I saw like that was an early 130" Tdi Defender that had 4 people in it. The driver fell asleep & hit a similar sized tree dead centre too. It was a harder hit though as the headlights ended up facing each other.

In that one, the engine/gearbox assy went down & under the car so hopefully this one did the same.

[wovenrovings]

I thought i read a post on here somewhere where the person was looking for a new car because his new defender (or was that a D3) had hit a tree.......

If what people are saying about the lenght of the fan cowls on the Puma's that tree would have hardly reached the engine.:D

[abaddonxi]

If anyone gets it I'd be interested in 3rd row seats if they are there.

Cheers
Simon

[haydofly]

I'd be interested in the 2nd row seats!;)

[RaZz0R]

a repairable write off:o.......i would of thought that was way to damaged.

Totally agree - repairable my a$$ :p

[mcrover]

I wonder if the airbag went off, I cant see the dash?

Thats no way repairable, maybe if you stole another one and swapped tags then it would be repairable....:nazilock:

[dobbo]

Just wondering, do the cars get cleaned up before the auction? There never seem to be any smears on the interior.

My guess is it was someone who could no longer afford the repayments

Also how could a 110 have a high speed impact? He must have had a 100km run up.

[Scouse]

I wonder if the airbag went off, I cant see the dash?The what ?

Nah, it would take more than that to activate the airbag in a Defender ;).

[dobbo]

The what ?

Nah, it would take more than that to activate the airbag in a Defender ;).


I have a picture of my MIL getting out of my 110. Not game enough to post it though

[mcrover]

The what ?

Nah, it would take more than that to activate the airbag in a Defender ;).

I thought the new ones had an airbag........or is that the driver is a windbag......I can get mixed up sometimes lol :wasntme:

[disco2hse]

The what ?

Nah, it would take more than that to activate the airbag in a Defender ;).

They have an airbag, on the driver's side only.

[Xavie]

Are you bieng tongue in cheek?

Defenders don't have air bags. Not even the new ones.

[disco2hse]

And yet the one I was looking at buying had one, on the steering wheel. I prefer to trust what my eyes see and what my fingers touch.

There was place for one on the passenger side, that was due for 2011. But then that was before LR was bought by Tata.

[dullbird]

really thats intersting coz they dont have them on the uk ones either!!

maybe defenders are going for the captive market after all :p....

by the way the lump in the steering wheel is just a big **** ugly lump nothing behind it ;) unless of course someone put a disco steering wheel on it, then of course there is still no airbag as there is no sensors for it......

your talking to one person that has owed a new defender and one that still does.

not calling you a liar but you appear to be the only person to have seen one............possibly in the world:D

does it say srs in the steering wheel? and what about the airbag warning signs were they on the sun visors?

[solmanic]

And yet the one I was looking at buying had one, on the steering wheel. I prefer to trust what my eyes see and what my fingers touch.

No, no, no... you are mistaken. The Defender steering wheel boss may look like it has an air bag, but trust me, it's just a big blob of solid foam. Has been and always will. No way of engineering airbags into the current shape model if Land Rover can be believed.

[Scouse]

And yet the one I was looking at buying had one, on the steering wheel. I prefer to trust what my eyes see and what my fingers touch.

The steering wheel has had a bulbous centre for a few years but that's as close to an airbag that the Defender gets to.

[isuzurover]

Just wondering, do the cars get cleaned up before the auction? There never seem to be any smears on the interior.

My guess is it was someone who could no longer afford the repayments

Also how could a 110 have a high speed impact? He must have had a 100km run up.

My neighbour - who used to buy a lot of vehicles from damaged vehicle auctions - told me they steam clean them to remove stains, prior to the auction.

I saw a van once that was so crumpled, the driver's seat was almost protruding through the windscreen. No stains or marks anywhere.

[disco2hse]

OK guys. You're right :angel:

I was clearly mistaken :D

Alan

[BMKal]

I have a picture of my MIL getting out of my 110. Not game enough to post it though

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

On a serious note - it's a pity the Defenders don't come with airbags. BHP has banned Landcruisers from mine sites over here now (I'm talking 70 series) because they are not equipped with airbags for both driver and front seat passenger. As is usually the way, other mining companies (well, at least the bigger ones) are lilely to follow suit in the not too distant future. Would be a good opening for Landrover to sell some product into the mining industry if they had an airbag equipped Defender. Unfortunately - all that is happening now is that Toyota is once again doing a roaring trade selling Hi-lux's into sectors of the mining industry where they had often previously been banned due to their reputation for "falling over", and there's a lot of Pootrol tray tops getting around the mines these days. But there's still no alternative to the Troopy.

[isuzurover]

OK guys. You're right :angel:

I was clearly mistaken :D

Alan

Here is an ad for a NZ 2008 model 110. No airbag by the looks.
LAND ROVER DEFENDER SE110 2008 For Sale in Waikato ? AutoTrader.co.nz (http://www.autotrader.co.nz/View/Used/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-SE110-2008/283928.aspx?Ne=1&N=180+4294967174&No=15)

http://www.dealerpoint.co.nz/ImageServer/DisplayImage.aspx?Image_ID=2328171&ItemType=Car&Width=336

[JDNSW]

Getting back to the question - my guess is about 60-80kph. And unless you looked for the bark stains there would be no way of telling whether it was a tree or a post. Like everyone else, I have problems seeing it as being repairable, but there are probably quite a few valuable parts usable such as injectors and ECU, even if neither the chassis, engine, transmission, axles nor most of the panels are usable.

John

[Captain_Rightfoot]

oow that makes your eyes water :o. It's has to see how they could have lined the pole up any better.

[dmdigital]

Going by the oil stains on the concrete, it appears to still be mechanically sound. Just needs a bit of cut and polish on the front end.
:Rolling: Yep only on a Landy

Seriously though that chassis has to be seriously bent.
Also the driver's B piller and the back door are off, so I suspect the driver may have been cut from the wreck, hope they are OK whoever it is.

And its a silver one:eek:

[MacFamily]

Hope the driver is okay...

What a shame another less defender in the world really like that colour...

[Captain_Rightfoot]

No, no, no... you are mistaken. The Defender steering wheel boss may look like it has an air bag, but trust me, it's just a big blob of solid foam. Has been and always will. No way of engineering airbags into the current shape model if Land Rover can be believed.

I think the big blob of stuff is actually padding to protect the driver :o That's the only thing that has stopped me putting a nice wheel in. :)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Getting back to the question - my guess is about 60-80kph. And unless you looked for the bark stains there would be no way of telling whether it was a tree or a post. Like everyone else, I have problems seeing it as being repairable, but there are probably quite a few valuable parts usable such as injectors and ECU, even if neither the chassis, engine, transmission, axles nor most of the panels are usable.

John

My understanding is that in the safest of cars 70+k into something immovable is on the very limit of survivability. If that was the speed I'd be pretty certain no one would have made it out.

I am in the 30-40k school on this. :o

[Treads]

I would suggest around 50Km/h impact. One occupant, judging by the lack of extrication evidence on the LHS. Anyway, if a front seat passenger had been present, I have serious doubts about whether they would have survived. :(
The driver most likely was initially trapped by injuries and confinement only due to the apparent lack of damage to the seat, A-Pillar, floor and the drivers footwell area. Serious head and spinal injuries would most likely have been the order of the day :blink:
I would say a B-pillar removal was done for access to, and egress of, the driver by emergency workers due to occupants spinal situation. The drivers seat would probably still work, as it hasn't been cut and it is back in the upright position after inevitably being lowered backwards during the rescue procedures involving a backboard. This also leads me to believe that the impact was less than 60km/h.
I only did rescue for a few years, but that's what I read from the damage :angel:

[Sleepy]

well if the driver is luck enough to be under the 12 months of it being a brand new car...doesn't he/she just get a new replacement

Hope the driver is lucky enough to be alive! Looks lik a big hit!:o

[Blknight.aus]

its reparable, heres why...

the section of the chassis from between the locating mounts for the radius arms (front and rear and left to right) will be intact and in one piece and since its still a box steel frame chassis everything outside of that can be repaired and replaced legally with engineering approval.

just because you can doesnt mean that its a smart move financially.

[101 Ron]

My Defender 130 had a hard miss understanding with a V6 Pajero many years ago.
The Pajero was written off as the whole body had bent in a way as not one door would open or close including the rear and it was well crushed too.
The Defender was border line repairable and the the following was replaced.
All tail shafts, complete transmission,front diff,front radius arms and new radius arm chassis mounting points welded to chassis, new radiator, mudguards and grill,two new wheels and tyres,new bullbar,front shocks,panard rods etc .....you should get the picture.
The engine stayed put, but the front diff moved back and it via the tailshafts broke the transfercase and gearbox in two.
This vehicle I still own and drives well.
The only traces of its history is a slightly high RHS front end as only one front coil was replaced and a slight bent inthe chassis on the drives side which required the fabrication of a adjustable panard to centre the front axle 3/4 of a inch.
This vehicle drives perfect and no one would be any wiser of its history by driving it.
About 10 years ago the repair cost was 22k.
In the photos note the Pajero mudguard attached to the defender.

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It is worth noting all the cans of food I had inside a ammo box in the back popped open with the force of the thump.

[isuzurover]

QLD rules. Not sure if NSW is the same?


Written-off vehicle definitions

There are two classifications of written-off vehicles—statutory and repairable write-offs.
A statutory write-off is:

* a motor vehicle or trailer that has been immersed in salt water above the doorsill level for any period, or immersed in fresh water up to the dashboard or steering wheel for more than 48 hours (hr)
* a motorbike that has been fully immersed in salt water for any period, or fresh water for more than 48 hr
* a motor vehicle or trailer that has been burnt to the extent that it is fit only for wrecking or scrap
* a motor vehicle or trailer that has been stripped of all, or a combination or most, interior and exterior body parts, panels and components
* a motor vehicle, other than a motorbike, that has been damaged by at least three of the following impact damage indicators:
o damage to an area of the roof equal to or exceeding 300 millimetres (mm) by 300 mm
o damage to an area of the cabin floor pan equal to or exceeding 300 mm by 300 mm
o damage to an area of the firewall equal to or exceeding 300 mm by 300 mm
o any damage to the suspension
o damage in the form of cracks or breaks to major mechanical components.
* A motorbike that has impact damage, other than scratching, to the suspension or at least two areas of structural frame damage.

A repairable write-off is a vehicle that has been assessed as a total loss but is not a statutory write-off.

The vehicle in the pics definitely has the roof damage, and probably has firewall and front suspension damage as well.


EDIT


My Defender 130 had a hard miss understanding with a V6 Pajero many years ago.
The Pajero was written off as the whole body had bent in a way as not one door would open or close including the rear and it was well crushed too.
The Defender was border line repairable and the the following was replaced.
All tail shafts, complete transmission,front diff,front radius arms and new radius arm chassis mounting points welded to chassis, new radiator, mudguards and grill,two new wheels and tyres,new bullbar,front shocks,panard rods etc .....you should get the picture.
The engine stayed put, but the front diff moved back and it via the tailshafts broke the transfercase and gearbox in two.
This vehicle I still own and drives well.
The only traces of its history is a slightly high RHS front end as only one front coil was replaced and a slight bent inthe chassis on the drives side which required the fabrication of a adjustable panard to centre the front axle 3/4 of a inch.
This vehicle drives perfect and no one would be any wiser of its history by driving it.
About 10 years ago the repair cost was 22k.
In the photos note the Pajero mudguard attached to the defender.

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It is worth noting all the cans of food I had inside a ammo box in the back popped open with the force of the thump.

That must have been a hard hit Ron! Out of interest, how did it happen? Was the Paj cutting the corner?

[pop058]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Toyota is once again doing a roaring trade selling Hi-lux's into sectors of the mining industry where they had often previously been banned due to their reputation for "falling over".

I spent a couple of months with Hamersly Iron in Karatha WA many years ago and they had said they had 7 roll overs in 2 years. All " Rollux's"

[Bundalene]

Just as a matter of interest, we went to the auction today and the Defender was in fact a stat write off.
It sold for a staggering $5000.
It had hit so hard, the spare tyre actually whiplashed through the back door. The motor was prettywell damaged, the rear diff housing was bent like a banana from the impact of the tail shaft. Half the transfer box was lying in the back of the car and the other half (with bits of the gearbox attached) was lying in the front.
The dash etc. was relatively unscathed, however the driver would have copped a shower of windscreen glass at the very least! Oh, and the drivers seat was completely sheared off at the bolts through the base.

Erich

[Sleepy]

It sold for a staggering $5000.


:eek:

[George130]

My understanding is that in the safest of cars 70+k into something immovable is on the very limit of survivability. If that was the speed I'd be pretty certain no one would have made it out.

I am in the 30-40k school on this. :o

I have hit a tree dead centre in a datsun 1600 doing 60miles an hour. All 3 of us walked away with no injuries. Rear passenger didn't even have a seatbelt.

[Treads]

I have hit a tree dead centre in a datsun 1600 doing 60miles an hour. All 3 of us walked away with no injuries. Rear passenger didn't even have a seatbelt.

And I've cut a lot of too-young, dead bodies out of cars over the years from similar events :( Not pretty....

[disco2hse]

My Defender 130 had a hard miss understanding with a V6 Pajero many years ago.

I like the addition to the front of the 130 though, talk about having a Pajero for a hood ornament :D

Looking at the damage to the Mitsi, it's hard to see why it was written off from this distance. But then that's the problem with monocoque frames I guess.

From the auction, where's the $5000 worth of stuff? It is new, but even though second hand parts are always cheaper than new and I would have thought that for most new Defenders any repairs would still be required to be conducted under warranty/service repairers and they tend to use only new parts.

Alan

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I have hit a tree dead centre in a datsun 1600 doing 60miles an hour. All 3 of us walked away with no injuries. Rear passenger didn't even have a seatbelt.

Well done.. you are very lucky. Those figures I were quoting were from one of the many articles I've read on this subject. I'm pretty sure it was Mercedes or Volvo saying that.

Sometimes you can be lucky :)

Also (and I'm not saying this is the case here) but often crash speeds are over-stated. That last second or two on the brakes can wash a lot of speed off.

[Bundalene]

From the auction, where's the $5000 worth of stuff? It is new, but even though second hand parts are always cheaper than new and I would have thought that for most new Defenders any repairs would still be required to be conducted under warranty/service repairers and they tend to use only new parts.

Alan

That's why I stopped bidding at $3,000:eek:

By the condition of the tyres IMHO, I'd say it had only done around the 20,000 k mark.

I was looking at the wheels, tyres and 2 rear quarters and the dash and a spare fuel pump. As for the rest, you are right, there wouldn't be much of a market for a few years to come as the Puma is still under warranty. Most TD5 Defender type parts were stuffed.

Anyhow, it was a sad end to a very nice vehicle.

Cheers

[mark2]

I have hit a tree dead centre in a datsun 1600 doing 60miles an hour. All 3 of us walked away with no injuries. Rear passenger didn't even have a seatbelt.

I presume you're using the term 'tree' loosely??

[101 Ron]

The Pajero cut the corner.
It all was going to court,but the other party backed out at the last minute when they realised I was fairdinkcom about fighting it.
The other party had friends on site before the cops came and changed around the crash site in front of me.
Luckly the other party accidently let some thing slip while talking to the cops and the cops went to my side.
The fact the cops were on me side and I had photos which the other party didnt know about saved my can.
It all could have gone the other way.
I was paying the vehicle off at the time and to have it written of would have cost me dearly in real terms to replace the vehicle.
I asked the panel beater doing the job to repair it instead of a write off.
At the end of the day things went OK...........but if it wasnt a motor mechanic the whole thing would still be a problem as panel beaters are no good doing mechanical work and the people who did other out of shop work didnt give a stuff and alot of silly stuff had to be sorted.

[George130]

Well done.. you are very lucky. Those figures I were quoting were from one of the many articles I've read on this subject. I'm pretty sure it was Mercedes or Volvo saying that.

Sometimes you can be lucky :)

Also (and I'm not saying this is the case here) but often crash speeds are over-stated. That last second or two on the brakes can wash a lot of speed off.

True about the speed. But when you are on a smooth dirt forestry road with no steering or brakes you an't wipe a lot of speed.

Mark 2 no it was a tree. We ended up mounting the tree.
Captain right foot. yes we were lucky. We were even luckier that the fuel spraying all over the engine bay didn't go up when we were using matches and sigarete lighters to see if we any hope of getting the car started:angel:.

Ah to be young and bullet proof.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

True about the speed. But when you are on a smooth dirt forestry road with no steering or brakes you an't wipe a lot of speed.

Mark 2 no it was a tree. We ended up mounting the tree.
Captain right foot. yes we were lucky. We were even luckier that the fuel spraying all over the engine bay didn't go up when we were using matches and sigarete lighters to see if we any hope of getting the car started:angel:.

Ah to be young and bullet proof.
It sounds as though the critical thing here is that you mounted the tree. That would give you a bit more space to wash off speed.

Have a look at the NCAP or EURO NCAP tests. They can run cars into offset barriers at 64k now and have crash performance that will allow people to walk away in the real world. However even now only the better designs and generally the newest cars can manage that.

Hence, as the speeds increase even only a little bit the survivability drops off. So about 60-70k in the best design into a deformable crash barrier is about the highest speed you can hope for. There are designs being sold even now that wouldn't manage this (mostly Korean).

[08Bender]

Hi All

I started work September last year for a trainning firm in Albury/Wodonga that trains Army mechanics. I have been told numerous times about a student there that bought a new 07 Defender. The first day of mid year leave and after removing the sway bars he crashed it head-on into a tree on a large sweeping bend just below the Hume wier on his way home. Apparently amongst other injurys broke both legs as they hit the dash. He is still attending rehab' and is yet to return to work, by the sounds of it maybe that was his car? Anyway he was alone and lived.

08Bender

[dullbird]

thanks for the update bender.........

If it is him he is unlucky to lose the use of his legs but very lucky to be alive I only hope he sees it that way :)

[Shonky]

Could be me, but I read it that he only broke them, not lost them!

[dullbird]

I ment for a short time sorry not lose as in completely but for a period where he cant use them.........

Its seems your following me around and picking me up tonight shonky ;)

I will edit

[V8Ian]

I ment for a short time sorry not lose as in completely but for a period where he cant use them.........

Its seems your following me around and picking me up tonight shonky ;)

I will edit

DB he a human, not a small animal ;):D

[andrew e]

Hi All

I started work September last year for a trainning firm in Albury/Wodonga that trains Army mechanics. I have been told numerous times about a student there that bought a new 07 Defender. The first day of mid year leave and after removing the sway bars he crashed it head-on into a tree on a large sweeping bend just below the Hume wier on his way home. Apparently amongst other injurys broke both legs as they hit the dash. He is still attending rehab' and is yet to return to work, by the sounds of it maybe that was his car? Anyway he was alone and lived.

08Bender

Its good to hear he lived, as i got an eerie feeling looking at that car. The drivers seat had been ripped off its mounts completely, and there was some medical blotting cloth on the drivers floor.
Andy

[Tombie]

And yet the one I was looking at buying had one, on the steering wheel. I prefer to trust what my eyes see and what my fingers touch.

There was place for one on the passenger side, that was due for 2011. But then that was before LR was bought by Tata.

Mate... Your fingers need glasses :banana:

[disco2hse]

Mate... Your fingers need glasses :banana:

Whoa banana pants I learnt my lesson waaaaay back. Read the date on the posting before posting ;)


:p


Alan