Serious TDCi issues: a personal experience

[one_iota]

:eek: DON'T PANIC

I am happy to say that my experience dealing with the dealer with both of these known issues has been positive.

You have to be positive otherwise you wouldn't continue to own a Land Rover.

1. Clutch Rattle:

Defender2 - View topic - gearbox chatter.. (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic387.html)

My post I think explains the symptoms. The dealer is aware of the issue so a new clutch is on order.

2. Engine Knocking:

Defender2 - View topic - Knocking noise (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic603.html'sid=974a05a31717d17c71b4fc62be57949b )

A knocking noise does not necessarily require a complete engine replacement. Sensors are another story. In my case these are also on order.

I guess my message is our dealers are on the same learning curve as us...cut them some slack, learn as much as you can and work with them. Without places like this and Defender2 we'd all be floundering.

Should I sell her?


Hell no and I'm happy.

[dullbird]

our engine rattle is back mahn.....:( reared its ugly head in victoria so we deffinatly know its linked to the cold and damp mornings as up until yeaterday the car has not missed a heart beat

the engine rattle you have had yours in for......states on GTR that is a noticable audiable KNOCK.... was yours? or was yours a rattle like we experience.

oh by the way just pulled into the drive way and the puma has sprayed oil all over the left hand side of the car :D i think its crying that its home :D

[one_iota]

Hi Lou,

Hope and sounds like you three had a great trip. :D

As for my knocking experience, it was accompanied by the engine light coming on and a loss of power hence the sensors. A persistant loud knocking when cold not accompanied by the engine light and loss of power suggests something else.

The clutch rattle is best diagnosed amongst other things by releasing the clutch with the engine running whilst in neutral. The quicker you release the clutch the louder the noise when the clutch engages. But it is a rattle as opposed to a knock.

Maybe we should compare rattles and knocks...you guys live nearby me so maybe we could exchange noises this weekend.

These little things are sent to test us.

[Xavie]

oh by the way just pulled into the drive way and the puma has sprayed oil all over the left hand side of the car :D i think its crying that its home :D

Common issue and easy enough fix if the part is in stock.

Xav

[Captain_Rightfoot]

She'll be right. They will sort it!

It's a new thing and there will always be a learning curve. :)

[PAT303]

The engine rattle is a common complaint for the 3.0ltr Prado,Hilux as well. Pat

[andrew e]

can i fit one of those new sensors to my isuzu county, it rattles a bit too. :)
Andy

[dullbird]

Hi Lou,

Hope and sounds like you three had a great trip. :D

As for my knocking experience,
it was accompanied by the engine light coming on and a loss of power hence the sensors.
A persistant loud knocking when cold not accompanied by the engine light and loss of power suggests something else.
The clutch rattle is best diagnosed amongst other things by releasing the clutch with the engine running whilst in neutral. The quicker you release the clutch the louder the noise when the clutch engages. But it is a rattle as opposed to a knock.

Maybe we should compare rattles and knocks...you guys live nearby me so maybe we could exchange noises this weekend.

These little things are sent to test us.

mahn I have quoted you because we have had the engine light,lose of power and limp mode with the rattle (more than once)...but i would describe it has a really loud rattle not a knocking...

reason i'm asking is i'm not sure whether you are using the same dealer as me but our car has done this from 3 months old it is now over a year and the dealer cant find a problem other than the car throwing a few codes up suggesting the pressure relief valve on the common rail...

i have always thought that this service bulletin, was possibly related only that we have a rattle not a knock. and the problem is it only happens in the morning then the car runs like a champ.

the garage have not been able to recreate it....when does your car do it all the time?

[87County]

I'm sure that there are greater minds than mine on this problem, but...

do these engines have hydraulic tappets ??

.......just a thought :)
- Laurie

[solmanic]

My engine rattle is still there only less now that the weather is warmer. I sent an email to Land Rover Customer Care directly regarding this and my windscreen leak. They eventually rang me back and maintained the "keep an eye on it" line.

A couple of weeks ago it happened again very badly. I was stopped in a driveway 2 minutes from home making a U-turn and the idle suddenly went all rattly and kept on rattling until I pressed the accellerator - then it was fine again. No warning lights, just a lot of noise.

Could it be someting to do with the choke???

[Scallops]

Jeez - mine doesn't have either of these issues :eek: Mine just puts holes in the brake master cylinder, wears away at the intercooler hose, breaks front ABS sensors, has headlights that stop working, comes with holes in the underside of the seat boxes, has rear sliding windows that jam..... Where am I going wrong? :p

[87County]

Jeez - mine doesn't have either of these issues :eek: Mine just puts holes in the brake master cylinder, wears away at the intercooler hose, breaks front ABS sensors, has headlights that stop working, comes with holes in the underside of the seat boxes, has rear sliding windows that jam..... Where am I going wrong? :p

apart from the brake master cylinder issue, and the intercooler issue, and the abs issue, and the headlight issue, it (sort of) sounds like my 21yo county :)
but at least you can talk to the person next to you when doing over 100kph...

[Scallops]

apart from the brake master cylinder issue, and the intercooler issue, and the abs issue, and the headlight issue, it (sort of) sounds like my 21yo county :)
but at least you can talk to the person next to you when doing over 100kph...

:D Yep - there is an upside. :)

[dullbird]

in all fairness to the car i think it must just be sydney!!!

we have just driven eleven and a half thousand kilometers without a hicup the car ran like a dream other than the last 2 days when we hit the cooler climate of victoria the engine rattle returned...
the car broke down the day before we were supposed to go and we decided to take it anyway...and the car has effectively broken down the day we got back :D

[Scallops]

in all fairness to the car i think it must just be sydney!!!

we have just driven eleven and a half thousand kilometers without a hicup the car ran like a dream other than the last 2 days when we hit the cooler climate of victoria the engine rattle returned...
the car broke down the day before we were supposed to go and we decided to take it anyway...and the car has effectively broken down the day we got back :D

Good to have you back and I'm glad the trip went without incident. Good luck with getting your issues resolved - I'm picking up Grover tonight so I'll post the fixes to my issues when I get the chance.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Could it be someting to do with the choke???

Diesels don't have a choke or a throttle butterfly. As required they just page the injectors more.. :)

[Psimpson7]

I am sure it will be worth it in the end!

You are basically just geting the 'new model' issues that they missed prior to launch. Some are maybe more frustrating than others but I am sure they will get solved.

You have just got work through them like they did with the early Tdi issues, and then the early Td5 ones.

It is worth it!!:)

[Bushie]

The engine rattle is a common complaint for the 3.0ltr Prado,Hilux as well. Pat

My work lux rattles like a can full of marbles if its a cold morning. Trying to get mr Toy Yoda to acknowledge its there is a different matter.


Martyn

[Blknight.aus]

I have a semi educated guess as to what it might be....

If its what Im thinking I would be very very glad that its happened under warrenty and hope that the engineer the problem out before your warrenty runs out and that they give you a new engine......


we had a detroit come in doing it next door just before it detonated an injector......

I think it might be the equivelent to either a vapor lock in the system caused by the temperature changes "pumping" air past a seal and letting the air get into the rail, which then doesnt purge so you dont get full injector feed pressure on every shot. Sort of like an advanced form of air in the brakes. you take a few pumps and it gets pressure but then when you back off a little the brakes go spongey again. thats the good version as its usually just a case of new seals to fix it.

IF its injector blow by (which is the failure method of the td5 injectors that Im most afraid of) your going to be getting combustion gasses coming back past the injector nozzle. it'll do the same thing as above but its a lot harsher and will very quickly take out other parts of the fuel system. Initially this will only happen at idle and when its cold as the extra pressure needed to work the injector above idle will normally allow the injector to "snap" closed better. As it gets worse it will happen more frequently and then start to happen under light loads untill eventually the injectors just give up the fight and turn into ports instead of injectors.

[mark2]

My work lux rattles like a can full of marbles if its a cold morning. Trying to get mr Toy Yoda to acknowledge its there is a different matter.


Martyn

My Nissan Patrol TD42 has a loud rattle when accelerating through the gears when cold. It goes away as soon as it warms up.

The best diagnosis so far is piston slap.

[rovercare]

My Nissan Patrol TD42 has a loud rattle when accelerating through the gears when cold. It goes away as soon as it warms up.

The best diagnosis so far is piston slap.

That's just cold combustion;)

[mark2]

That's just cold combustion;)

Thats what I want to hear!

[tacr2man]

rattle on startup is very common in colder weather, as mentioned above, this is due the colder air being a lot denser, and the characteristics of compression ign , but should quieten within a matter of a minute depending on the coldness of air and engine. After that you need to be looking to fixing a problem, because that is what it is.