2008 Defender 110 (code named Puma) cargo barrier options

[dmdigital]

OK, anyone had an update on possible cargo load restraint barrier for the Puma?

I've sent off a query to Milford to see if they are going to consider anything.

Apart from OEM LR006447 Dog Guard (if available in Australia and looks fiddly), what are the options?


P.S. We really need a separate Puma thread;)

[101RRS]

There is no such Landrover vehicle in Australia called the Puma - there is a Defender fitted with an engine with the code name Puma. Just as the previous model Defender had an engine called the Storm and the models before that had engines called Geminis

It is just an 07/08 Defender, just as previous models were called Defenders , not Storms or Geminis :D.

Garry

[solmanic]

That explains why I got a funny look when I tried to book my Puma in at the dealer for de-sexing last week since it had loose nuts...


...MWAHAHAHA :wasntme:

[dmdigital]

Not wanting to split hairs but there are key difference between the post 2007 Defender 110 and its predecessors and the engine is the least of it. The cargo barrier being just one point in question.

Using Puma seems to be accepted to differentiate between pre and post 2007 vehicles.

Now can anyone answer my question in the first post in this thread?

[solmanic]

P.S. We really need a separate Puma thread;)

I agree - then we can all feel smug and self satisfied without bothering everyone else. :cool:


...previous models were called Defenders , not Storms or Geminis :D.

No, but they have been known to go by simply the "200/300Tdi" or "Td5" monniker. The only difference then is that the new ones should really be referred to as "TdCi", but Puma will do for me.

[solmanic]

...Now can anyone answer my question in the first post in this thread?

There was a question?


...Oh yeah - cargo barrier for TdCi (Puma) engined 07/08MY Defenders...


...no, sorry. :wheelchair:

[EchiDna]

tried hayman reese?

[Scallops]

Not wanting to split hairs but there are key difference between the post 2007 Defender 110 and its predecessors and the engine is the least of it. The cargo barrier being just one point in question.

Using Puma seems to be accepted to differentiate between pre and post 2007 vehicles.

Now can anyone answer my question in the first post in this thread?

Yeah - I can. I spoke to Milford directly and they categorically told me that they were not going to make a new cargo barrier for the PUMA (Jeez guys - it is widely referred to as a PUMA - even stamped on the chassis as PUMA!)

I rang Outback (the mob who make drawer systems in Cairns) - same story - no way.

They both quoted a 2010 end of product line as the reason they wouldn't make one.

Now - Black Widow do make one for the PUMA. But you need their drawer system to make it work.

So what have I done? I have an OL cargo net (like the ones used in aircraft). I have removed the rear sets and have it attached near the roof line at the rear grab handle point.

[jddisco200tdi]

I'm in the process of making a half height cargo barrier that goes above the seats.
I've bought all the steel and that has cost about $140. Just got to get a spare weekend to weld all the bits together.
I will copy most of the factory barrier bracketry for attachment. Looks quite easy actually and I only have a stick welder but use small 1.6mm rods so I won't burn too many holes in the tubing.

Regards

John D - Defender 110 2.4

[Scouse]

There is no such Landrover vehicle in Australia called the Puma - there is a Defender fitted with an engine with the code name Puma. Just as the previous model Defender had an engine called the Storm and the models before that had engines called Geminis

It is just an 07/08 Defender, just as previous models were called Defenders , not Storms or Geminis :D.

GarryActually, you might be a little bit wrong there.

On the LR bulletins for the new Defender, they ARE referred to as "Model: Defender Puma Diesel" .


Surely LR wouldn't make a mistake ;).
:):)

[dullbird]

OK, anyone had an update on possible cargo load restraint barrier for the Puma?

I've sent off a query to Milford to see if they are going to consider anything.

Apart from OEM LR006447 Dog Guard (if available in Australia and looks fiddly), what are the options?



P.S. We really need a separate Puma thread;)

you mean thread or forum? I told you about the forum this forum works fine as it is. I asked for puma and I didn't get it's very simple just add PUMA in the title.

[Frenchie]

Interesting. I would not buy a vehicle that I couldn't get a cargo barrier for, so I guess I'll have to keep the Td5. :mellow:

[dmdigital]

Yeah - I can. I spoke to Milford directly and they categorically told me that they were not going to make a new cargo barrier for the PUMA (Jeez guys - it is widely referred to as a PUMA - even stamped on the chassis as PUMA!)

I rang Outback (the mob who make drawer systems in Cairns) - same story - no way.

They both quoted a 2010 end of product line as the reason they wouldn't make one.

Now - Black Widow do make one for the PUMA. But you need their drawer system to make it work.

So what have I done? I have an OL cargo net (like the ones used in aircraft). I have removed the rear sets and have it attached near the roof line at the rear grab handle point.

Thanks for the info. I wouldn't touch Black Widow with a barge pole. The verbal abuse I got from the Black Widow salesman at their stand at the National 4X4 Show in 2007 was beyond reproach - basically not printable on the forum. All I asked was what do you do for a Defender and in the end a guy with a Nissan walked off with me and said he felt sorry for the guys attitude and he would buy from someone like that either.


you mean thread or forum? I told you about the forum this forum works fine as it is. I asked for puma and I didn't get it's very simple just add PUMA in the title.
OK I meant forum, just thought if I drop a hint one day we might get one. I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition.

I'll apologise now and crawl back under a rock...


Interesting. I would not buy a vehicle that I couldn't get a cargo barrier for, so I guess I'll have to keep the Td5. :mellow:
Don't get me started on the reasons for having a cargo barrier. This was my real first use of one and hopefully the last time I really need one: Milford Industries - Customer Feedback (http://www.milfordind.com.au/index.php/selectedContent/726044905)

[dullbird]

Thanks for the info. I wouldn't touch Black Widow with a barge pole. The verbal abuse I got from the Black Widow salesman at their stand at the National 4X4 Show in 2007 was beyond reproach - basically not printable on the forum. All I asked was what do you do for a Defender and in the end a guy with a Nissan walked off with me and said he felt sorry for the guys attitude and he would buy from someone like that either.




OK I meant forum, just thought if I drop a hint one day we might get one. I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition.

I'll apologise now and crawl back under a rock...


Don't get me started on the reasons for having a cargo barrier. This was my real first use of one and hopefully the last time I really need one: Milford Industries - Customer Feedback (http://www.milfordind.com.au/index.php/selectedContent/726044905)

only a spanish inquisition....if your feeling particually sensitive ;)..just offering a solution so people dont get consued as to what cars your talking about:) i.e the title

and dropping hints for one day we might get one, we would get one if we needed one but not sure we need one...if we need one then td5's might need one and if they need one then tdi's might need one nthe list can go on and on ;)

[one_iota]

I guess that Milford have done their research...so many units per annum times 4 years divided by so much for R & D + tooling costs + materials + production run time + overheads and profit = so many squillion per unit.

OK the bean counters win. But how dare the bean counters assume that we won't pay for it.

And what about Milford's claimed moral high ground.

I am not about to be a victim.

I reckon they need to be brought to account.

I feel a petition or at least a poll coming on.

Can we get some numbers?

[dullbird]

i reckon make a date someone need s to go on to defender2 and organise them same thing......so on a particular date we all put an email ni asking if they are going to release a barrier for the puma :D you never know it might get there attention

[one_iota]

i reckon make a date someone need s to go on to defender2 and organise them same thing......so on a particular date we all put an email ni asking if they are going to release a barrier for the puma :D you never know it might get there attention

I'm with you Brother ....errrr Sister..

Let's do it.

Derek do you have a record (date person etc) of Milford's response?

[EchiDna]

I'll ask again if you like... has anyone asked hayman reese? they make em for almost everything else, just not as famous as milford.

and they do make tow bars for the 2007+ defender already... :)

[dmdigital]

I'm still to contact Milford, didn't get a chance today - bloody daylight savings means things are closed down south when I get home from work (except in WA)

Milford are a very proactive company and I found them very good and very R&D focused on bettering their products. What makes me curious about the Puma is that Milford would not have to re-engineer much as it is only a small bump in the floor that needs to be encompassed in the design. They faced the same issue with the 03MY D2 as the centre seat belt sits back about 1cm behind the seat to the pre-03MY. I know as I believe I was the first to have one fitted and Milford were surprised and fixed it. Not like a certain 4WD component store in Darwin who thought they could just modify a certified safety restraint to make it fit (all be it a little crooked) and all would be OK:eek:

I guess at the end of the day the bean counters will unfortunately win, but I would think UK sales alone would be an incentive or do the Brit's have preference to a different Defender load restraint:confused:

Anyway when I get a chance I'll ring Milford and see what they say. Keep you posted.

[abaddonxi]

I was going to say something clever about contacting someone like Karcraft and organising a group order shipped in one of their containers - I spoke to them today about other stuff and they mentioned that they did similar special orders.

But then I spent half an hour looking for cargo barriers on UK sites, and it seems like they don't exist.

Go figure.

Simon

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I know this is slightly off topic :o:D but the TD5 was also known as the "Storm" (http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Td5engine.htm) I think we should drop the td5 and call them Storm from now on :D:D:D:wasntme:

And about the cargo barrier... the main problem seems to be that the rear seats sit further back and are more reclined on the "Puma" than the "Storm". I don't see why you couldn't fit one from a "Storm" to a "Puma" if you were prepared for it to sit back slightly and maybe have a little wasted space behind the back seats low down.

In other news how does one restrain a child in a "Puma"? Have they done child restraints for them yet?

[dullbird]

i find it amusing that people are laughing at puma owners calling the car PUMA as thats what they all call them in the uk to.

but hey if you wish to call your car "storm" because you feel left out thats fine by me ;) :p

hey look at this link

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/59261-defender-service-bulletins-recalls-07-onwards.html#post773355

and read what car it describes ;)

"dullbird trots off to find a bulletin for the "storm" :D " to keep other owners with not such cool names happy:wasntme::angel::D

[dmdigital]

And about the cargo barrier... the main problem seems to be that the rear seats sit further back and are more reclined on the "Puma" than the "Storm". I don't see why you couldn't fit one from a "Storm" to a "Puma" if you were prepared for it to sit back slightly and maybe have a little wasted space behind the back seats low down.
No that's not it at all, the rear seat has a large block in the floor that it locks into. Rather than recess it (sensible and wouldn't protude into load space) they just bolted it on to the floor pan (cost effective solution no doubt) and so there's this 2" bump across the centre 50% of the load area at the back of the rear seats... just where the barrier would normally sit:mad:


In other news how does one restrain a child in a "Puma"? Have they done child restraints for them yet?
Puma is built to conform with the ISOfix system but of course you can't buy ISOfix child seats in Australia as they aren't approved I believe. But it does have a centre inertia reel belt in the middle rear seat unlike the Land Cruiser 70 Workmate which has a simple lap belt - now how did Toyota get away with that one:confused:

[Captain_Rightfoot]

No that's not it at all, the rear seat has a large block in the floor that it locks into. Rather than recess it (sensible and would protude into load space) they just bolted it on to the floor pan (cost effective solution no doubt) and so there's this 2" bump across the centre 50% of the load area at the back of the rear seats... just where the barrier would normally sit:mad:

I didn't remember that. Any chance of a photo?



Puma is built to conform with the ISOfix system but of course you can't buy ISOfix child seats in Australia as they aren't approved I believe. But it does have a centre inertia reel belt in the middle rear seat unlike the Land Cruiser 70 Workmate which has a simple lap belt - now how did Toyota get away with that one:confused:

Using ISOFIX is illegal in Australia. I have it in our other car and it's a much better restraint system, but you can't use it in Aus. Given that it's just an engineering thing I'm sure someone will engineer child restraint soon. But you would want to remember consider that if you also had a barrier. We were lucky with out setup. We had crow bar, and the people installing the barrier only "just" managed to fit it in between.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

i find it amusing that people are laughing at puma owners calling the car PUMA as thats what they all call them in the uk to.

but hey if you wish to call your car "storm" because you feel left out thats fine by me ;) :p

hey look at this link

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/59261-defender-service-bulletins-recalls-07-onwards.html#post773355

and read what car it describes ;)

"dullbird trots off to find a bulletin for the "storm" :D " to keep other owners with not such cool names happy:wasntme::angel::D

Not wanting to thread crap (more than usual anyway) I have started a thread on it (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/67112-proposal-rename-td5.html). :D :D

[dmdigital]

Not wanting to thread crap (more than usual anyway) I have started a thread on it (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/67112-proposal-rename-td5.html). :D :D

Don't you mean not wanting to kick up a storm :Rolling:

[solmanic]

Edit - moved to correct thread.

[solmanic]

In other news how does one restrain a child in a "Puma"? Have they done child restraints for them yet?

Yes!

JohnR has them in his - done locally in Brisbane for not a lot of money. The key is the fact that the new Defender rear seat has the centre seat belt attached to the seatback thereby making it "loadbearing" in a crash. The child restraint anchors are just rated bolts/eyelets in the floor of the cargo area and the capsule/child seat straps just go over the seat back and attach down to them. It's very simple - no crab bars or stuff like that.

[dmdigital]

Back to the original topic - yes there was one - of the cargo barrier.

Milford may do one in the future if there is sufficient interest, but it is very doubtful.

Tradesman Vehicle Accessories in Melbourne have made them for the new Defender and you can order through Opposite Lock stores, sounds like its made on request job though.

The OEM LR Dog Guard (P/N LR006447) isn't an ADR approved accessory and so isn't imported.

[Mark and Yin]

I also need to install child restraint anchors in the Puma. Can you please let me know the details of the installer in Brisbane?

[dmdigital]

I don't have kids so can't help on that front.

[dmdigital]

Has anyone imported the LR cargo barrier (p/n LR006447)?

It's not an Australian part, so I suspect not ADR approved either. Does anyone know what this would mean?

It looks like a very simple fit (no holes to drill or anything) and I understand is about ₤200 + freight so not really much different in price to a barrier locally made.

[Craig]

Hi Guys,

I just got an email back from Duckworth Parts in the UK Duckworth Land Rover Interior (http://www.duckworthparts.co.uk/acatalog/Interior.html) quoting 160GBP for the LR006447 plus 118GBP for postage. that's just over $600AUD delivered to your door.

Has anyone else tried to import one?

I know its not ADR, but I only really need it to keep the dogs off the back seats, and I reckon if its leagal to use in Europe then it will probably keep everything restrained in the event of an accident. Your thoughts?

And before everyone says "go and get some steel and weld one up" I am under strick orders from the missus that everything has to look like factory fitted, and that I cant do anything dodgey or home made in the new one. Apparently she didnt think that all my "additions" to the 300tdi were as good as I thought they were.

Craig
'94 110 300tdi
'08 110 Puma