Pork Pie Prices

[101RRS]

I have posted this in ebay finds but I also think the prices being asked for these is worthy of discussion. Land Rover series 1 NOS Pork Pie rear lights - eBay Other Lights, Indicators, Lights, Indicators, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 23-Nov-08 20:54:33 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Land-Rover-series-1-NOS-Pork-Pie-rear-lights_W0QQitemZ230307994892QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em230307994892&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318) I appreciate the price being asked is probably not all that abnormal given their rarity, however for what they are the price being asked by suppliers is over the top.

Does any one have a secret supplier of these that does not charge the earth :)

My Baby 88 has one rusted housing and the station wagon has one also but no internals or lenses - I might be able to use these as patterns to make two metal bodies with some modern internals. The lense is more problematic but I have recorded photos wherever I can so either use something similar or make something from scratch using some sort of craft methodology.

These fittings, based on something similar should only be about $50-$80 each but they are always in the order of $500-$700 a pair as this ebay seller is asking - I am not complaining about the e-bay seller as the price seems in line to what has been asked in the past.

It is just a bit rediculous when the tail lights are almost half the price of the vehicles.

Garry

[ben 1952s1]

i might be able to help get some st38 (pork pie stop lights) please tell me whitch bits you need and i will hunt around here. BEN

[Sleepy]

Agree Garry,

As I mentioned on the other thread it would be nice to put the original type on. ...But....just too $pensive to justify.:o

I am surprised there are not repro's available - searched around UK sites but can't find too much.

I was thinking of putting some D lights on which although aren't the right type but do look the part.......Although the series 3 lights I have work fine too.;)

Think I'll save my money for other bits - pto, capstan, heater which are probably more useful!!:D

Geez I'd hate to break one of those pork pies with a bit of careless reversing:o

Watching this thread with interest.

[Olive Drab]

Don't usually post here as I don't have a S1 (yet). I'm sure one of the hot-rod shops around the place could make re-pro ones given a good-enough sample and I'm sure i found a place in brissie that can make lenses to supplied spec, again one of the hot-rod mobs. i'll ask the hot-rod crowd and see if they can help.
Still think this would be way cheaper than the $500-$700 asked for originals.
hope this helps, the more oldies on the road the better IMO
mate with a cadillac had taillights made from scratch

[101RRS]

i might be able to help get some st38 (pork pie stop lights) please tell me whitch bits you need and i will hunt around here. BEN

The lot;). x 4 - cheap :)

[Sleepy]

The lot;). x 4 - cheap :)

x 2 :D

[slug_burner]

I will watch with interest. I'd be after a pair of complete assemblies.

[RobHay]

I have posted this in ebay finds but I also think the prices being asked for these is worthy of discussion. Land Rover series 1 NOS Pork Pie rear lights - eBay Other Lights, Indicators, Lights, Indicators, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 23-Nov-08 20:54:33 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Land-Rover-series-1-NOS-Pork-Pie-rear-lights_W0QQitemZ230307994892QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em230307994892&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318) I appreciate the price being asked is probably not all that abnormal given their rarity, however for what they are the price being asked by suppliers is over the top.

Does any one have a secret supplier of these that does not charge the earth :)

These fittings, based on something similar should only be about $50-$80 each but they are always in the order of $500-$700 a pair as this ebay seller is asking - I am not complaining about the e-bay seller as the price seems in line to what has been asked in the past.

It is just a bit rediculous when the tail lights are almost half the price of the vehicles.

Garry


Please do not bid on these as Pat is going to get them for Perry for Xmas............Perry! Please do not read this:p

[Olive Drab]

David Azzopardi in Sydney makes lenses for muscle cars etc. may be able to help with lenses for the pork pies. Google will find it easy. hope this helps, still trying to find that hotrod bloke who can make metal housings from scratch will post it when I find him again.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Reproduction Pork Pie lamps are available for £150 GBP /pair + shipping to members of the Land Rover Series One Club (UK).

Diana

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Which puts them in the $500 - $700 price bracket by the time you join the S1 club also ;)Actually $A397 if the parcel weighs less than 2Kg for those of us who are already LRSOC members.

[101RRS]

Reproduction Pork Pie lamps are available for £150 GBP /pair + shipping to members of the Land Rover Series One Club (UK).

Diana

Thanks for that Diana - unfortunately that is still about $400 all up where something similar is about $20 at Supercrap - and cleaply replaced when you back into something.

Doesn't look as good though:(

Garry

[agrojnr]

Try these mobs

Holden | Lighting | Rear Lamps | 'Pork Pie' Rear Lamp (http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp'sg=&pgCode=010&sgName=Search&pgName=Lighting&agCode=0042&agName=Rear+Lamps&pCode=ST38)

Reproduction black/chrome Lucas ST38 ‘Pork-Pie’ light (http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/377)

They are not cheap but they are only 40GBP each

[agrojnr]

And another

rear | lamps | Vintage Car Parts (http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/en/list+lamps~rear/)


Adam

[101RRS]

Try these mobs

Holden | Lighting | Rear Lamps | 'Pork Pie' Rear Lamp (http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp'sg=&pgCode=010&sgName=Search&pgName=Lighting&agCode=0042&agName=Rear+Lamps&pCode=ST38)

Reproduction black/chrome Lucas ST38 ‘Pork-Pie’ light (http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/377)

They are not cheap but they are only 40GBP each

Thanks for that - nice looking lights but they are very different to the landrover item.

Cheers

Garry

[JDNSW]

Thanks for that - nice looking lights but they are very different to the landrover item.

Cheers

Garry

Yes, if I remember rightly the Series 1 lights are narrower at the lens and wider at the body, and somewhat deeper relative to the diameter. And with a protruding lens, to ensure it got broken if you backed into anything!

John

[101RRS]

Yes, if I remember rightly the Series 1 lights are narrower at the lens and wider at the body, and somewhat deeper relative to the diameter. And with a protruding lens, to ensure it got broken if you backed into anything!

John

You are correct with that - however some of the lights in the second post by Adam would be cost effective alternatives at around 30 pounds if originals could not be acquired at a reasonable price.

Garry

[slug_burner]

here is the Azzapardi bloke's site (http://www.tailights.com/)

now are these pork pie lenses plastic or glass like the D lamps?

has anyone got a sample they would be prepared to loan to show this bloke? or does someone know of a site that provides the dimensions to be able to manufacture from?

I'd be prepared to establish costs if there are enough takers!

[101RRS]

Interesting site - now who has a sample??:D

[ellard]

Hi there

As for reproduction tail lights "D light - after speaking with Classic vintage bulbs based in SA "Adelaide" he is now making the "D" lights and selling them to the UK.

After seeing "D" lights going for around the $50- $90 each on the second hand market why would you bother when you can purchase new ones for not much more($120 each) - has any one spoke to him about pork pie lights availability etc.....

Wayne

PS I see no one has bidded on the $500 pork pie lights on ebay...

[dennisS1]

How many cars come with them?

PS. I think I have 1 of the red pork pie lamps with the reflector in the middle, if that’s any use.

[RobHay]

Then there are these available in Oz from Vintage Tyres: -

Antique Tyres - Parts - Tail Lights (http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/parts_taillights.html)

[slug_burner]

I think that most people have been able to get onto the D lights OK. It is the pork pies that are (the problem) rare and expensive as poison.

DennisS1,

As in Dennis from NW Vic who is storing a 107 for some bloke?

If you have a lense, we have a start.

[mildred]

I think that most people have been able to get onto the D lights OK. It is the pork pies that are (the problem) rare and expensive as poison.

DennisS1,

As in Dennis from NW Vic who is storing a 107 for some bloke?

If you have a lens, we have a start.
I have managed to get lots of parts from these 2 company's in England

John Craddock Ltd - Specialists in Land Rover Parts and Spares (http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/)

P.A. Blanchard & Co. : Ex Military Landrover Specialists, Trailers, Ex MOD Spares, Surplus Stores & Equipment (http://www.pablanchard.co.uk/default.asp)

years ago it used to take 8 weeks turnaround , before the internet was made, now it is only the postage away to find something, and btw I do beleive that they have pork pie lights to!:o

[101RRS]

I have managed to get lots of parts from these 2 company's in England

John Craddock Ltd - Specialists in Land Rover Parts and Spares (http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/)

P.A. Blanchard & Co. : Ex Military Landrover Specialists, Trailers, Ex MOD Spares, Surplus Stores & Equipment (http://www.pablanchard.co.uk/default.asp)

......btw I do beleive that they have pork pie lights to!:o

Yes they do but also know how to charge for them as well - big, big $$$$.

Garry

[101RRS]

An example of rediculous prices on pork pies. $560 for just the bodies and lenses - does not include the baseplates, globes, wiring etc.

LAND ROVER SERIES ONE LUCAS PORK PIE REAR LIGHTS 1 PAIR - eBay, Land Rover, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles. (end time 19-Jan-09 04:35:50 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370141889882)

[101RRS]

And not complete :o

[Sleepy]

I reckon a good buisness proposition would be to come up with a reasonable copy and sell for half the price. You'd make a few bucks I reckon.:angel:

There must be a Chinese factory that could knock them up for $100 a pair.:confused:

[chazza]

I am sure I could make the bases and the sides if I only had one to copy! :(

The chap in Adelaide could make the lenses.

The trouble with Chinese factories is that they are like any other factory; they are interested if you want thousands or millions made, not a few hundred. Not to mention that their build quality is often dodgy.

[ellard]

Thats not a silly idea there Charlie - I do have some spare bases.

Not that I need any porkpie lights but I could not justify the dollars paid above for a set of tail lights.

Wayne

[Sleepy]

There you go chazza,

I'd be happy to support the cost of development.;)- and buy a couple!:)

I reckon you'd sell a few dozen at least, going on the extreme price of an originals and the number of bids they get at $500 to $600 a pair!

[chazza]

Well if someone can get an old one to me, the development can at least start; although I have a heap of other jobs in the queue first.

[ellard]

although I have a heap of other jobs in the queue first.

Tell me when your ready as I know you have a few projects on the go.

But whom is able to make the lenses.

Wayne

[chazza]

But whom is able to make the lenses.

Wayne

Classic Vintage Bulbs in SA seems a likely place to start Wayne :)

Cheers Charlie

[series1buff]

There is a bloke in NZ who makes repro plastic lenses for older cars and his work is first class ..but not cheap . I know he does 1950's Ford Thames van front parking light lenses ..exact copies of the originals . I can find out more if people are interested .
Mike

[dane h]

hi charlie,

i might be able to help here with the loan of a spare body/lens. It's a bit rough but all original. Unlike the ones on ebay a couple of months back it doesn't have the reflectors in the centre but is a very shallow behive shape.

Let me know where it needs to get to so that we can get started. Been a real pain to collect a couple for my 55 which is not far from back on the road. If anybody has some bases going spare ...... :(

cheers,

Dane

[Sleepy]

Classic Vintage Bulbs in SA seems a likely place to start Wayne :)


I made contact with them a few weeks ago and they couldn't help with the Pork Pies although I didn't mention lenses only.

[ellard]

Hi there

A little off topic but why we are mentioning the Adelaide Company "Classic Vintage Bulbs"

They are now making repro "D" lights and are being sent to the UK for sale. So when you buy your next set of "D" light from a couple of the reputable UK companies "theres a fairly good chance there made in Australia"

Good to see some smaller Aussie companies keeping the vintage Land Rover scene alive and thriving.

Wayne.

[slug_burner]

As mentioned earlier this place in Minto makes repro lenses

David Azzopardi Manufacturing - Plastic Lenses (http://www.tailights.com/)

[101RRS]

There have been a few pork pies on ebay UK recently all supposedly original. However I have noticed they have different lenses. One lot has a reflector in the middle of the lense and the other does not but seems to have concentic rings moulded to the inside surface.

What lense goes with what series 1.

Thanks

Garry

[Hebe]

Hi,

If anyone wants to get two originals on eBay and start making reproductions, log into eBay and look for Item number: 260398973113.

And if there are affordable reproductions, or even originals, I need two URGENTLY.

I am trying to get my Hebe roadworthy...

Have a look here:
Tagged - Hebe (Land Rover Series 1, 1958)'s Profile (http://www.tagged.com/landrover1958)

Good luck, and thanks,

Kris

[ellard]

Hi there

If your referring to the pair of pork pie lights on ebay - with the asking price of $600.................................or $300 for one

As for myself I couldnt justify that sort of cost......

Wayne

[ellard]

I don't think any of us can

Theres alot of people watching, but suspect there will be no bidding war.

As a cheaper option, and I respect its not totally original but looks authentic for that period, "Classic Vintage bulbs" in SA make reproduction "D" lights for around $100 each.

PS - The reproduction are made of brass and well contructed.

Well all the best

Wayne

[Lost Landy]

Hi, for those who dont know the pork pies with the reflector are the ones used on the early 86" & 107" then they changed some time in 1956 to have where the reflectors are mounted on the body & not in the light due to lighting requirements of the time.

As for making pork pies, in a few weeks Iam going to have a crack at making a close copy. I figure that if I can make "medieval armour" Iam sure I could come up with something close.

[chazza]

As for making pork pies, in a few weeks Iam going to have a crack at making a close copy. I figure that if I can make "medieval armour" Iam sure I could come up with something close.

Well that makes two of us; the pork pie market is looking good :D