Power steer and engine conversion

[Rangier Rover]

OK its may not be a Rover but some of it is going into a series:angel:

I'm afraid it involves 2 Toyotas and a series Land Rover.

As some of you know I puchased a 4BD1T 120" to replace the HJ 47 Runaway
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/61419-bugger.html

I've also lost a series 3 http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/67061-lost-another-4x4.html


So now need another 4X4 and I can't bear to turn the 120" 110 out to the ruff nuts here:(

We have a very straight HJ 45 Toymota with a cooked H diesel. We have a HJ 47 with a 130K 2H, gear box but smashed transfer and we have a HJ 60 Power steering set up.
Now please forgive me.... But I'm sure a 40 isn't a threat;)

I'm posting this as I think may work on a series as similar set up:)
This involves anti-crush tubes to support repositioned steering box, Some mods to steering shaft and gets rid of the silly relay. Pics soon:)

Tony

[BigJon]

I am happy to look at this thread.
A mate of mine recently bought a HJ47 traytop ($9000 :eek:) and is considering a power steer conversion. Given that he has no mecahnical skills (took 4 hours to do oil and filter on it) I am sure I will end up being the "expert" on the conversion.

[Rangier Rover]

I intend to use as much of the HJ60 steering setup as possible and fit it to the HJ45 as may have to be certified. I have spoken to an engineer and is ok but have to take pics of any cutting or weilding. Not keen on cutting steering shaft though.

So had to rip the 45 column out and put the 60 shaft in and graft the lower column to the top 45 flange so all fits back original.

[rovercare]

A mate of mine recently bought a HJ47 traytop ($9000 :eek:).

No mechanical knowledge "only", hey?:wasntme:

Easiest way to do it, is source genuine 40 series P/S, generally fitted to all BJ/FJ42 LX's, hard to find, dear to buy, but makes for ease of fitment, then just grab a pump and pulleys, from a HJ60 and your done

Useing the stuff as Rangier is doing is a "better" conversion, but if you want simplicity^^^^that's the go;)

[Rangier Rover]

Now the nasty bit:eek:
The box will now go inplace of the relay and the shock mount was in the way:o I'll deal with it after:twisted:
I set the box up as would be in the 60 then drilled 12mm holes through chassis. On the inside opened up holes to put anti-crush tubes in.

[Rangier Rover]

No mechanical knowledge "only", hey?:wasntme:

Easiest way to do it, is source genuine 40 series P/S, generally fitted to all BJ/FJ42 LX's, hard to find, dear to buy, but makes for ease of fitment, then just grab a pump and pulleys, from a HJ60 and your done

Useing the stuff as Rangier is doing is a "better" conversion, but if you want simplicity^^^^that's the go;)
I wen't this way as had the parts here and buggerd 60s are plentifull around here.
I see a 40 series set up on evilbay

[rovercare]

I wen't this way as had the parts here and buggerd 60s are plentifull around here.
I see a 40 series set up on evilbay

Its a better conversion anyhow, removing the relay(slop) box:D

[rovercare]

Although you can make a 40 drive ok, castor shims under the diff;)

That's drive ok, not ride ok:D

[Rangier Rover]

Although you can make a 40 drive ok, castor shims under the diff;)

That's drive ok, not ride ok:D I'm thinking of grafting a part time 80 series front end in later on.:twisted: Coils:D Still not a Land Rover though:( Just tougher:wasntme:

[BigJon]

No mechanical knowledge "only", hey?:wasntme:

Easiest way to do it, is source genuine 40 series P/S, generally fitted to all BJ/FJ42 LX's, hard to find, dear to buy, but makes for ease of fitment, then just grab a pump and pulleys, from a HJ60 and your done

Useing the stuff as Rangier is doing is a "better" conversion, but if you want simplicity^^^^that's the go;)

He sells Caterpillar earthmoving stuff, probably doesn't have any idea how the real world lives :p.

60 series stuff is probably the way to go. Getting rid of the sloppy relay is a big bonus.

[Rangier Rover]

60 series stuff is probably the way to go. Getting rid of the sloppy relay is a big bonus. Its a PITA to fit up I can tell you:mad: I may as well get the 80 coil front as well:twisted:

[Rangier Rover]

Not much progress today.. Had to go plumbing:mad:

Anti-crush tubes in. No coments on the rough job thank you:p It's only a Toyota:D
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11915&stc=1&d=1227344860


The engineer said it would be better if I don't cut anything:eek:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11916&stc=1&d=1227344925

Quess what is going to happen to the old 45 series gear box:twisted:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11917&stc=1&d=1227345075

[Rangier Rover]

If no interest I won't post this one any more. :( I need to get into my Rangie and 120":D

The shaft extention:eek:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11923&stc=1&d=1227443541

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11924&stc=1&d=1227443640



Battery carrier:mad:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11926&stc=1&d=1227444158

The pump
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11927&stc=1&d=1227444244


Tony

[slug_burner]

A lathe:o

nice bit of work. That shaft extension, you don't think you went a bit light with the bit you inserted?:D

[Rangier Rover]

A lathe:o

nice bit of work. That shaft extension, you don't think you went a bit light with the bit you inserted?:D Was all I could find on a sunday in the scrap bin:angel:
The Lathe x 2 is handy for mods and tools.

[Rangier Rover]

A few more pics.....

The new shock mount
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11991&stc=1&d=1227868544

The other side
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11992&stc=1&d=1227868667

The old 47 bits and some flat bar they are made of.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11993&stc=1&d=1227869142

The drag link that needs to gain weight:eek:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11994&stc=1&d=1227869222

The weight for drag link:twisted:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11995&stc=1&d=1227869670

Still have to shoehorn the 2H gear box in

The old H gear box is heading to a 50model series 1 with a 76 Rangie chassis:angel: Just don't tell the series 1 buffs:angel:

[mike 90 RR]

Looks good

You have left the crush / collapse tube in the steering column? ... (2cnd photo showing the large black tube going through the battery cradle)

Whats with the "Weight for the drag link"?

Mike

[Rangier Rover]

:twisted:
Looks good

You have left the crush / collapse tube in the steering column? ... (2cnd photo showing the large black tube going through the battery cradle)
Have put full 60 column in but had to be extended it :( They collapse mainly by uni and angle of chassis.
Whats with the "Weight for the drag link"?
Won't fit:mad: I have to make a new one. So will be heavy duty.

Mike
You have left the crush / collapse tube in the steering column? ... (2cnd photo showing the large black tube going through the battery cradle)
Have put full 60 column in but had to be extended it :( They collapse mainly by uni and angle of chassis.
Whats with the "Weight for the drag link"?
Won't fit:mad: I have to make a new one. So will now be heavy duty.:twisted:

[sticks]

hi. what is the steering box off and is it the best for the job

[Rangier Rover]

hi. what is the steering box off and is it the best for the job

HJ 60 Toyota Land Cruiser ( Mid 1980s leaf sprung G wagon) Not the best for the job (is what I had here) as requires some engineering to make fit. The end result will be good as spares off HJ 60s are plentifull around here.
I have seen a few with 75 series setup. The box sits further forward and pitman arm faces otherway. May be better for coil conversion.

[BigJon]

Its a PITA to fit up I can tell you:mad: I may as well get the 80 coil front as well:twisted:

He is now considering this... He should have just bought a Defender like he originally intended...:p

[Rangier Rover]

He is now considering this... He should have just bought a Defender like he originally intended...:p

Buy a claped fender and use Nisota running gear:twisted:
If he's going coils I wouldn't use 60 series steering box. May be a pain setting up spring turrets.:( Maybe the 75 or 80 series box and graft QU patrol turrets or use complete patrol front :twisted:

[Rangier Rover]

Some GHH black to blend it all in now ready for 2H and 47 X member

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12283&stc=1&d=1229424280

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12284&stc=1&d=1229424346

Off topic but.....
I hate doing tractor tyres at night:(:mad:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12285&stc=1&d=1229424510

[Rangier Rover]

This one has been a bit of a challenge all along which is why I put it aside for a wile.
Thanks to Khos (Disco owner) who cleared the clutter and made the work shop usable again we now have progress as my Rangie is in next then numerous series projects to follow.

I won't post many pics of the conversion unless there is interest as is a Toyota.
There was a bit of engineering in this in the end as every bloody thing on it had to be altered in some way :mad:
Shock, Radiator, Engine Mounts, X member, cowling, Rad support, panels. Wiring just to mention some of the grief. The 45, 47 and 60 are very different animals.
Now I have it done I will have a tough reliable truck wile I rebuild all the broken Land Rovers here;)

Needs a new dryer for air con and re gas, Make a new clutch slave push rod as 47 is different to 45:mad:

[rovercare]

I won't post many pics of the conversion unless there is interest as is a Toyota.


Yea yea, I;m interested:D

[rangieman]

Yea yea, I;m interested:D
No your just a sicky nose:p admit it;)

[rovercare]

No your just a sicky nose:p admit it;)

Interested.......s(t)icky nose.........what's the difference?

[Disco_owner]

This one has been a bit of a challenge all along which is why I put it aside for a wile.
Thanks to Khos (Disco owner) who cleared the clutter and made the work shop usable again we now have progress as my Rangie is in next then numerous series projects to follow.

I won't post many pics of the conversion unless there is interest as is a Toyota.
There was a bit of engineering in this in the end as every bloody thing on it had to be altered in some way :mad:
Shock, Radiator, Engine Mounts, X member, cowling, Rad support, panels. Wiring just to mention some of the grief. The 45, 47 and 60 are very different animals.
Now I have it done I will have a tough reliable truck wile I rebuild all the broken Land Rovers here;)

Needs a new dryer for air con and re gas, Make a new clutch slave push rod as 47 is different to 45:mad:

I'm interested too Tony , only cause I wana see the Toyomota out of the Workshop to make way for the Rangie :D :p

[Rangier Rover]

No pics yet:angel: But have it all done now and driving tonight:cool: Drives like...... A 60 series. The 2H and power steer works well. With later mounts is nice and quiet and clutch is nice. Has a nice light feel to it in general.

Now looking at a Turbo for it. A local here has a heap of turboed 2H's and seem to work well so cant see why mine wont. Just don't over fuel or over boost it so doesn't over heat. Thinking around 7psi.

It may round up my 4BD1T 120:eek:

We now call this thing the awesome 40. As has all stock Toyota running gear that is tough as. With a 2H, Bullet proof 4 speed ,power steer and air con:D

Not bad for a 79 model as body is in good shape as are doors and window mech.

I have to say my Land Rover 120" is a nicer ride and better off road but the 45 will be stronger and cope with more abuse in the long run;)

Khos has some of the latter pics as I borrowed his camera:angel:

Will try to get a few together soon.

I also have a movie of the first start and power steer test but cant up load from here:( Be happy to send a disk to some one who can:)

[Disco_owner]

Here are some of the pics that I took with my camera , I'm hoping that Tony would be able to complete the captions , but I'll try and write up what I thought was exactly what was being done on the toyota...


A Template that Tony made from scrap so his old man could take to local exhaust place to have it duplicated , I think to reroute a water hose, another pic below shows clearly the end product

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1644.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1645.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1646.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1647.jpg

The Hose bent up and final fitout to make sure all fits nicely , a lot of work :cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1648.jpg

bracket for the radiator cleaned with a wire brush and painted ....could also the Fan shroud in backgrund also "painted" on top of the Red drum.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1649.jpg

all put back in neatly , Radiator was also cleaned and painted black previously.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1650.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1651.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1652.jpg

here is Tony having a snooze :p:p under the Toyo

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1653.jpg

one of the brackets of some description exteneded for something rather.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1654.jpg

another bracket made up and painted black

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1655.jpg

[Rangier Rover]

Digging up the dead;)
Since the new Toyata's are crap:p
This ol thing has run like a clock. Very slowly:D

I have just acquired a complete turbo set up off a 2H powered 75 series with a spare turbo! I know they tend to run hot if pushed hard:( I'll try it and see what happens:angel: Should be OK here, as only have to hit it hard for a few minutes:angel:

[B92 8NW]

Digging up the dead;)
Since the new Toyata's are crap:p
This ol thing has run like a clock. Very slowly:D

I have just acquired a complete turbo set up off a 2H powered 75 series with a spare turbo! I know they tend to run hot if pushed hard:( I'll try it and see what happens:angel: Should be OK here, as only have to hit it hard for a few minutes:angel:

I'm steering well clear of Turbo-ing my 2H. I've heard good and bad things in equal proportion, not enough majority to make up my mind.

Besides, turbo IDIs sound pants. Rather build a stump pulling 20PSI 12H-T:D

[Rangier Rover]

I'm steering well clear of Turbo-ing my 2H. I've heard good and bad things in equal proportion, not enough majority to make up my mind.

Besides, turbo IDIs sound pants. Rather build a stump pulling 20PSI 12H-T:D

The 12HT .....overhead valve/turboed/direct injection:D With a stump pulling 360odd mn of torque in stock form by memory . Like the Isuzu, its how they deliver the power.
They're a great ol donk.

Couldn't find a good one for this project and would cost well over 6k to rebuild the dead one I have here so is 2H for now. :( Far cry from the ol 3.6 H motor, even NA.:D

The 2H do OK turboed, just dont push it hard for to long. I've seen them last for over 400k when turbed if looked after. Also seen many BBQed with abuse:eek:
I'm going to give it a run... Have a spare phyro etc.

Maybe a rusty 60 will come up soon with a good 12HT:angel:

[B92 8NW]

Hmm, you could persuade me. The kits are pretty cheap, too. (Well cheap c/w 300Tdi VGT kits etc). What do you plan on doing about boost compensation?

[Rangier Rover]

Hmm, you could persuade me. The kits are pretty cheap, too. (Well cheap c/w 300Tdi VGT kits etc). What do you plan on doing about boost compensation?

Heaps of good second hand kits around. The one I have is off a 2H 75. Has a spare turbo too:). I'm doing nothing on boost compensation. Will smoke a little when off boost.:twisted:
Not going to boost or fuel her up much as wont last. About 6psi and 420deg will do with a 3" dump pipe etc. Go heaps better than stock and last. If you push them beyond this for long they pop:angel:
Will do fine in my old 45 with 750/16 rag tyres:)