Coffs 'Impossible hill' conquered

[Psimpson7]

Michael Bowen "Impossible Hill" NSW North Coast Australia on Vimeo

by a Jeep!!

Pretty impressed!!

Pete.

[GuyG]

That was nicely done - slow and steady, however if you look at the next video of the jeep having a go (Paul Harris) :eek:- looked kinda scary

[Psimpson7]

:eek::eek:yeah he was lucky not to die!!

It was nicely done... very gentle to start with and a few more revs towards the top.

[long stroke]

Hey i can post here:angel:
They have been trying to drive that hill for years.

CHEERS TIM.

[Outlaw]

always had a soft spot for the chiefs too ;)

but a fairly big call saying its never been conquered before.... i don't believe that for a second :)

[Blknight.aus]

wouldnt mind knowing where it is so I can go have a play when Im down that way.

[Outlaw]

just watched that second paul harris video you were talking about... don't say it too often but that guys just an idiot... should have a toyo ;)

Impressive jeep but way too much power by the looks of it (hope that nos wasn't turned on) and the old "right foot down" technique should be the last resort imho

[defmec]

wouldnt mind knowing where it is so I can go have a play when Im down that way.
might be a 2009 trip in order :twisted:

[Rosscoe68]

just watched that second paul harris video you were talking about... don't say it too often but that guys just an idiot... should have a toyo ;)

Impressive jeep but way too much power by the looks of it (hope that nos wasn't turned on) and the old "right foot down" technique should be the last resort imho

that joker is the reason a lot of offroad tracks are being closed down. look at how easy michael bowen made it look with no damage to the track or truck compared to this idiot

[justinc]

That is impressive for a heavy vehicle with leaf springs to do that.:)

A combination of torquey engine(360?) and possibly an auto(727?) , a long wheel base , long soft leaf springs and VERY low tyre pressures(Did you see the rear ones creasing?:o) with no doubt at least a rear locker and low COG make these a suprisingly capable vehicle when DRIVEN SENSIBLY! That other guy, well, NO COMMENT:mad::mad::mad:
I spent quite a bit of time with these vehicles, and that chassis is very flexible too. Makes for good flex if you like listening to the doors and dash creaking...

JC

[long stroke]

wouldnt mind knowing where it is so I can go have a play when Im down that way.

Let us know when your down we can show you:)

TIM.

[Psimpson7]

Hey Justin some good info there! I reckon he must have had both lockers. I dont think you have a chance without.

When we were there last time...

I left my car at the bottom

and Eric, Phillipe and the other Justin all tried it, and no one made it.

All 3 cars had 2 locker's, 35's, wheelbases of between 100 and 109" etc

Rgds
Pete.

[DRanged]

Hey Justin some good info there! I reckon he must have had both lockers. I dont think you have a chance without.

When we were there last time...

I left my car at the bottom

and Eric, Phillipe and the other Justin all tried it, and no one made it.

All 3 cars had 2 locker's, 35's, wheelbases of between 100 and 109" etc

Rgds
Pete.

The only thing that stopped all of us was the ground was so dry and was basically just thick powder. Its just not the place to have multiple attempts with huge h/power. It needs to be driven sensibly with finese. Just watched the second video. What a redneck goose that knob is. Thank christ he drives a jeep. No wonder the greenies want to close all the tracks with people like him about

Justin

[moose]

Just watched the two video's, kudo's to the first bloke, very nice bit of driving, however that paul harris is a complete knob. Apart from the rubbish driving style, he wasn't even wearing a seatbelt. You can see he got chucked out of his seat twice and nearly out of the car :mad:.

As people have said, he gives 4x4er's everywhere a bad name.

[long stroke]

Just watched the two video's, kudo's to the first bloke, very nice bit of driving, however that paul harris is a complete knob. Apart from the rubbish driving style, he wasn't even wearing a seatbelt. You can see he got chucked out of his seat twice and nearly out of the car :mad:.

As people have said, he gives 4x4er's everywhere a bad name.

The least you could do is wear a seat belt, especialy when there is a very very steep gully on the left hand side:eek:

[long stroke]

Heres a vid of Stikmans attempt.....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/12/1047.jpg (http://s476.photobucket.com/albums/rr128/longstroke_rover_TIM/?action=view&current=GCLROCLUBWEEKENDREMORNIE027.flv)

CHEERS TIM.

[MS4wd]

I think it was a very tricky drive. It is up to the driver at the time to make the kinds of decisions on how to tackle it. I don't think that making personal attacks, not to mention mass generalisations on a persons character via how they "look" in a video clip is smart, nor clever. Keep those kinds of opninions to yourself. I could say that all Land Drover drivers are soft as they seem to be too busy writing on chat sites and not out doing real driving. Get off your high horses and show us some of your action if you are so good.

[dullbird]

I think it was a very tricky drive. It is up to the driver at the time to make the kinds of decisions on how to tackle it.
I don't think that making personal attacks, not to mention mass generalisations on a persons character via how they "look" in a video clip is smart, nor clever. Keep those kinds of opninions to yourself. I could say that all Land Drover drivers are soft as they seem to be too busy writing on chat sites and not out doing real driving. Get off your high horses and show us some of your action if you are so good.


really perhaps you want to go visit the overlander site where land rover drivers are being attacked for that very thing!...;),

you're not alone and your certainly not special:)


EDIT: I have just watched the video's and I totally agree with the comments above....very irresponsible the person in the second video and he is lucky he didn't injury himself or his passenger

[x-box]

Holy Mackarel, that second vid is insane!
I hope I'm never on a trip where my mates drive like that ;)
The end result is inconclusive though - did he actually make it? All i saw towards the end was somebody changing the seat cover.....

[Xtreme]

If there's one thing we can all learn from watching these two videos it is that the stready, thoughtful approach and keeping your wheels in touch with terra firma will get you a lot further and a lot safer than the gung-ho, high revving, foot to the metal approach.

I wonder how the two vehicles would have gone if the drivers had of changed mounts.

[Outlaw]

I think it was a very tricky drive. It is up to the driver at the time to make the kinds of decisions on how to tackle it. I don't think that making personal attacks, not to mention mass generalisations on a persons character via how they "look" in a video clip is smart, nor clever.
An acquaintance of Mr Harris by any chance? If you look at our trip forum you will see we are not on high-horses and are out doing what our vehicles are designed for every 2 weeks if not more :angel:

Unless of course Dullbird is correct and you're on a trawl from OL :Rolling:

[Blknight.aus]

Ida had a go in an old leafer series after the first run, low enough tyre pressure with the right pattern might have had a shot.

then I saw the second vid.

no chance now, that clowns torn it to shreds.

[disco_thrasher]

I think it was a very tricky drive. It is up to the driver at the time to make the kinds of decisions on how to tackle it. I don't think that making personal attacks, not to mention mass generalisations on a persons character via how they "look" in a video clip is smart, nor clever. Keep those kinds of opninions to yourself. I could say that all Land Drover drivers are soft as they seem to be too busy writing on chat sites and not out doing real driving. Get off your high horses and show us some of your action if you are so good.

fair enough the personel attack has no place on any forum(even tho i agree) , but think the way he attacked the hill looked very irresponsible and could of injured more then just himself but then again looks like he doesn't care about much,and the rest of what you have said is BLAH BLAH BLAH :bat::woot:[FishSlap] what are you doing here anyway if you dont like land rovers or there drivers

why dont you show us some of your action shots or dont you have any left the camera behind did ya:D

hat goes off to Michael Bowen now thats what good driving is

MS4wd you want action come up for one of our trips am sure we could accomadate you for a weekend you can stay at my house ,don't no what my dog Rover will say guess you will have to be nice to him because he gets angry very easily,guess i should not tell him you dont like rovers

[DRanged]

I think it was a very tricky drive. It is up to the driver at the time to make the kinds of decisions on how to tackle it. I don't think that making personal attacks, not to mention mass generalisations on a persons character via how they "look" in a video clip is smart, nor clever. Keep those kinds of opninions to yourself. I could say that all Land Drover drivers are soft as they seem to be too busy writing on chat sites and not out doing real driving. Get off your high horses and show us some of your action if you are so good.

Well mate
I have driven that track and yes that guy is an idiot for driving it like that. The potential to cause a fatality to his occupants or people around him is huge. Well you'd know that because you make assumptions from a video clip;);) How can you comment from your bloody chat site in melbourne.;)

Tell you what Open invitation for you to come on the next "soft Land Rover" trip to Coffs. You can show us how to drive "Impossibles" hey.

Hope your high horse has lockers and 35's at the least.


Justin

[Shonky]

I think it was a very tricky drive. It is up to the driver at the time to make the kinds of decisions on how to tackle it. I don't think that making personal attacks, not to mention mass generalisations on a persons character via how they "look" in a video clip is smart, nor clever. Keep those kinds of opninions to yourself. I could say that all Land Drover drivers are soft as they seem to be too busy writing on chat sites and not out doing real driving. Get off your high horses and show us some of your action if you are so good.

You dug up a thread from a year and a half ago to defend a person who is quite evidently driving like a reckless idiot?

Right. But we're the keyboard warriors - of course!

PS - It's a Land Rover (not Land Drover). If you are going to have a go, at least get it right. ;)

[djam1]

The guy in the old Jeep did a good job.
The other guy needs to be careful its all fun until someone gets killed or hurt.
We have all seen or heard of it before rolling a soft top Jeep / Toyota or anything for that matter in those conditions is often fatal.
I know of one guy who pushed his girlfriend out the door as it started to go the Toyota rolled on her killing her a pretty upsetting experience for all.
I think you should be careful doing that type of thing with passengers on board.
Not interested in a slanging match with anyone but trust me when the Police and Coroner get
involved its not fun and you often look back wishing you hadnt done what you did.

[dungarover]

This IS the reason I refuse to accosiate myself with non-Land Rover people, typical yobbish and big headed attitudes like that make me chringe.

Land Rovers drivers aren't soft, we're careful and use our veicles and features as they inteded to be used not a bunch of Bundy rum fuelled bogans who like to go for broke at 50000 rpm at everything and shout 'yahoo' like a bunch of cowboys :mad:

Go back to 4WD action or Outers, you fit right in on those forums with that sort of attitude. Mods please lock this thread before it gets ugly :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Trav

[MS4wd]

wow - how welcome do you make a person feel. However, I am glad that at least one of the postings thought that personal attacks had no place on chat sites. Cheers to that person. One might think that if some people had actually read my posting they would realise that I was not calling "Land Rover" (apologies for the misspelling - but other people have written worse on this site) soft, but giving an example of a generalisation that other people feel they have authority to give. Shame on you. Also one persons aggression gives me a little cause for concern.

Anyway - I won't be back. Thanks for the chat. I will be off having fun in my tough Daihatsu Feroza climbing carefully up the "Impossible", both hands on the wheel, seatbelt on!

P.S By the way I was there. Even all the way from Melbourne...

[DRanged]

wow - how welcome do you make a person feel. However, I am glad that at least one of the postings thought that personal attacks had no place on chat sites. Cheers to that person. One might think that if some people had actually read my posting they would realise that I was not calling "Land Rover" (apologies for the misspelling - but other people have written worse on this site) soft, but giving an example of a generalisation that other people feel they have authority to give. Shame on you. Also one persons aggression gives me a little cause for concern.

Anyway - I won't be back. Thanks for the chat. I will be off having fun in my tough Daihatsu Feroza climbing carefully up the "Impossible", both hands on the wheel, seatbelt on!

P.S By the way I was there. Even all the way from Melbourne...

Dont forget to change hands half way up then.:cool:

[The ho har's]

Mate ...and I use that term loosely...you didn't come here and say Hi you gave both barrels to us so what makes you think anyone would say welcome to you..just as well you will never be here again....


Mrs hh:angel:

[disco_thrasher]

wow - how welcome do you make a person feel. However, I am glad that at least one of the postings thought that personal attacks had no place on chat sites. Cheers to that person. One might think that if some people had actually read my posting they would realise that I was not calling "Land Rover" (apologies for the misspelling - but other people have written worse on this site) soft, but giving an example of a generalisation that other people feel they have authority to give. Shame on you. Also one persons aggression gives me a little cause for concern.

Anyway - I won't be back. Thanks for the chat. I will be off having fun in my tough Daihatsu Feroza climbing carefully up the "Impossible", both hands on the wheel, seatbelt on!

P.S By the way I was there. Even all the way from Melbourne...

yeah i was that person saying personal attacks are no good but you did not take me up on a trip with us soft drivers quite dissapointed really seen you where up in coffs queensland only another couple more hours drive my offers still there even tho rover(my dog ) is not to happy about it

any way round of applause for you leaving is at least we can do :banana::clap2::arms:

cheers Kelvin

[Outlaw]

Say hello to Mr Harris for us. We'll look forward to seeing him compete in the next competition he enters :)

[def-90]

This IS the reason I refuse to accosiate myself with non-Land Rover people, typical yobbish and big headed attitudes like that make me chringe.

Land Rovers drivers aren't soft, we're careful and use our veicles and features as they inteded to be used not a bunch of Bundy rum fuelled bogans who like to go for broke at 50000 rpm at everything and shout 'yahoo' like a bunch of cowboys :mad:

Go back to 4WD action or Outers, you fit right in on those forums with that sort of attitude. Mods please lock this thread before it gets ugly :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Trav


awwww comon trav does that mean i'm a hoon as i frequent outers?


well i suppose i did sell a diesel for a fuel guzzla 8. DOH...just put my own foot in my mouth.


p.s. 2nd vid is of a goose, but i kinda like those people as it makes me/us look so much better when we idle up shiat.:D

[dungarover]

awwww comon trav does that mean i'm a hoon as i frequent outers?


well i suppose i did sell a diesel for a fuel guzzla 8. DOH...just put my own foot in my mouth.


p.s. 2nd vid is of a goose, but i kinda like those people as it makes me/us look so much better when we idle up shiat.:D

I agree and it does make you smirk when you can acomplish something quite techical without fuss when others do have trouble and most of the time it comes down to there attitude and so forth esp the big headed ****** types out there :twisted:

For the most part I don't have isues with the Land Rover blokes on Outers, I get on there daily although I don't post much these days. I just have issues with dickheads who have the 'I've got a big cock and want to climb everything at 5000rpm' types that's all and that was the main point of my post. I've done enough wheeling in my time to see that this sort of behaviour is dangerous and I realy don't want to be a part of it :(

I have the theory that if you're good at something, don't brag just do it and prove that you can drive, otherwise shut the **** up :mad:

Trav

[DRanged]

I agree and it does make you smirk when you can acomplish something quite techical without fuss when others do have trouble and most of the time it comes down to there attitude and so forth esp the big headed ****** types out there :twisted:

For the most part I don't have isues with the Land Rover blokes on Outers, I get on there daily although I don't post much these days. I just have issues with dickheads who have the 'I've got a big cock and want to climb everything at 5000rpm' types that's all and that was the main point of my post. I've done enough wheeling in my time to see that this sort of behaviour is dangerous and I realy don't want to be a part of it :(

I have the theory that if you're good at something, don't brag just do it and prove that you can drive, otherwise shut the **** up :mad:

Trav

C,mon Trav I think your holding back and not saying whats really on your mind;);).

Justin

[def-90]

I agree and it does make you smirk when you can acomplish something quite techical without fuss when others do have trouble and most of the time it comes down to there attitude and so forth esp the big headed ****** types out there :twisted:

For the most part I don't have isues with the Land Rover blokes on Outers, I get on there daily although I don't post much these days. I just have issues with dickheads who have the 'I've got a big (i think u mean little) cock and want to climb everything at 5000rpm' types that's all and that was the main point of my post. I've done enough wheeling in my time to see that this sort of behaviour is dangerous and I realy don't want to be a part of it :(

I have the theory that if you're good at something, don't brag just do it and prove that you can drive, otherwise shut the **** up :mad:

Trav


i understand trav, but by crikey its good to see your passionate.

oh yeah and justin i still owe you a stick of knead it, i haven't forgotten. (i borrowed a tube of you, thankyou, a couple years back at cityview when my old man punched a whole in his diff.

[DRanged]

No worries I'm sure we'll catch up somewhere.

Justin

[def-90]

that we shall, oneday i'll make it to a GCLRO meeting, and hopefully trips!

[long stroke]

Today i watched the full length dvd of the Jeeps on impossible, well you guy's thought that was nuts, wait till you see the rest of the video:eek:
That Harris fella and his mate were very lucky to walk away from the rollover etc afterwards:o
They made sure the second part got kept quiet for a while:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Geezus your not bloody wrong!
Hunter 4WD 2010 Disc on Vimeo
snapped both drive shafts, rolled back how far? Smoking whilst nos leaks from the cylinder
Then the tow. and what happens after!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:





Today i watched the full length dvd of the Jeeps on impossible, well you guy's thought that was nuts, wait till you see the rest of the video:eek:
That Harris fella and his mate were very lucky to walk away from the rollover etc afterwards:o
They made sure the second part got kept quiet for a while:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[Outlaw]

I've heard recently about the second attempt including the passenger being thrown clear and the driver getting a couple broken ribs or something along those lines :eek:

Any chance of a copy of the video? Can use it as a warning video on our DARE's :Rolling:

[isuzutoo-eh]

See the vid I linked to Outlaw?

I tell you what, the sponsor of that video will never have me as a customer...

[DRanged]

Who in their right mind would put a VID up like that with your business name plastered all over it.:eek:

Sorry GAZ but thank christ they drive Jeeps

Those guys should call it "Labotomy" hill. Just for themselves.


Justin

[Grimace]

I feel sorry for other responsible jeep owners that have to be associated with this. Its one uglAy looking wrangler!

That's is poor driving, poor safety management, and a very poor buildup. The only thing that wasn't poor was the $$$, but money cant buy 'cents'!

p.s. did i mention that wrangler looks hideous!

[dungarover]

This is why I don't have NOTHING to do with non-LR people in general. One thing 99.9% of Land Rover owners don't have is that ****** element, but like anything even if it was Land Rover owners who drove like that i would still have the same opinion.

The first bloke drove that hill nicely I must mention, even if it is a Jeep :cool:

Stupidity and reckless behaviour like this is deadly as seen here, I've seen some similar stuff myuself but not to that extent and thank **** I wasn't there to witness it is all I can say :eek:

Trav

[Shonky]

HOLY CRAP! :o

First guy did a lovely job. Nice and safe - a perfect bit of driving.

Second guy... did I mention HOLY CRAP! :o

[Outlaw]

Yep that vid shows the stories i heard were true... anyone got access to the rest?

[Baffle]

Man, if there is more video footage I don't want to see it:confused:. That's really shear ass no one died.Insanity.

[Dorko]

Holly ****!!!!! Thats mental did anyone die in the end?

Seriously thats such dangerous driving and why would you have passengers in a recovery like that.... really why????

Dorko

[Hendrik]

That is insane, how did that tow go wrong. And how did old mate not get run over, shows you how quickly things can go pair shaped when.

[Owl]

Holey Crap!!
One demonstration of how it should be done and 1 of how not to.

What concerns me is that these ..... (I cant find the right adjective to describe these morons) are proud of their achievement to the extent they are using it to advertise their business. If they put as much care and thought into their customer cars as the do to their own lives when out on the track, then make your own conclusions.

I'm surprised I am able to post here, but needed to rant! Thanks
Ian

[Shamo]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Idiots.







Shamo

[CheekyD1]

As a responsible Jeep owner, OK who was laughing?
I don’t approve of the guy in the “Ugly Wrangler” effort at the hill once called impossible.

The owner / driver of the first car is Michael Bowen, who did a tremendous job to crawl his early Cherokee Chief up previously impossible hill.
I had the pleasure of following Michael and his chief around Coffs several weeks ago. We did the power lines track, broken and looked / walked Koala. (Koala is beyond extreme now)
Michael is a very professional trip leader / event organizer (he had over 200 vehicles at his event this year) and a great driver himself, spending all of his time running around trying to avoid such incidents.
We were firmly told that we could not attempt Koala.

Michael had a chat to me regarding the guy in the “Ugly Wrangler” (it’s actually a CJ7) apparently the main problem with his initial attempt was that the motor was not running smoothly, misfiring ect.
In a fit of push on regardless the “driver” (I use the term loosely) compensated by using loads of throttle. Mistake number 1!

Mistake number 2 is less clear but seems to relate to how several snatch straps were joined together. With no drive shafts left on the CJ for engine breaking and no motor running for break boost. When the snatch straps separated, away went the CJ and “the Fun Stopped” to quote Michael.

So what can WE learn from these mistakes

Firstly it seems that the “Ugly Wrangler’s” effort shown, was not his first go. (I am betting third or better)
I am sure (at one stage or another) we have all watched someone, (regardless of what they drive) have go, after go, after go……… at something their stuck on.
And each attempt will be accompanied by more and more noise, as the driver “Tries Harder”
By the third go, most likely there is a big risk of something on the vehicle breaking or rolling over.

I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY

It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.

If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.

[disco_thrasher]

I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY

It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.

If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.

wise words there

[long stroke]

Well said Gaz:cool:
Probably a very good idea to not let anyone have a go at Koala at the moment:eek: it is pretty scary, still drivable though;)

TIM.


As a responsible Jeep owner, OK who was laughing?
I don’t approve of the guy in the “Ugly Wrangler” effort at the hill once called impossible.

The owner / driver of the first car is Michael Bowen, who did a tremendous job to crawl his early Cherokee Chief up previously impossible hill.
I had the pleasure of following Michael and his chief around Coffs several weeks ago. We did the power lines track, broken and looked / walked Koala. (Koala is beyond extreme now)
Michael is a very professional trip leader / event organizer (he had over 200 vehicles at his event this year) and a great driver himself, spending all of his time running around trying to avoid such incidents.
We were firmly told that we could not attempt Koala.

Michael had a chat to me regarding the guy in the “Ugly Wrangler” (it’s actually a CJ7) apparently the main problem with his initial attempt was that the motor was not running smoothly, misfiring ect.
In a fit of push on regardless the “driver” (I use the term loosely) compensated by using loads of throttle. Mistake number 1!

Mistake number 2 is less clear but seems to relate to how several snatch straps were joined together. With no drive shafts left on the CJ for engine breaking and no motor running for break boost. When the snatch straps separated, away went the CJ and “the Fun Stopped” to quote Michael.

So what can WE learn from these mistakes

Firstly it seems that the “Ugly Wrangler’s” effort shown, was not his first go. (I am betting third or better)
I am sure (at one stage or another) we have all watched someone, (regardless of what they drive) have go, after go, after go……… at something their stuck on.
And each attempt will be accompanied by more and more noise, as the driver “Tries Harder”
By the third go, most likely there is a big risk of something on the vehicle breaking or rolling over.

I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY

It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.

If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.

[Outlaw]

Yep have recently discussed that very protocol :)

[harry]

I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY

It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.

If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.[/QUOTE]


i am not interested in promoting the madness of the video in this, a public thread,
however gaz, in the quote above, we are acting on this and have some preliminary guidelines in place, you have highlighted one of them,

this psychic stuff has got to stop.

[CheekyD1]

Just to be clear in the public arena


{snip}i am not interested in promoting the madness of the video in this, a public thread,.

Neither am I



this psychic stuff has got to stop.

I am not suggesting that any GCLRO members behave in any gung ho manner.
I have found myself, if she aint going to go after the third try, A little time out and a think does not go astray. This has saved me damage before, that’s why I am recommending the practice because "The Fun Stops" when things break and we are here to have fun… right

[CheekyD1]

Well said Gaz:cool:
Probably a very good idea to not let anyone have a go at Koala at the moment:eek: it is pretty scary, still drivable though;)

TIM.

Thanks Tim
but I do have to question the "still drivable"

I was speaking to the last guy who claimed to have done it recently, he claimed that he needed some bodies hanging off his side to keep the front down, this crosses the line from extreme drivable to Crazy for me.

As I said to Michael Bowen about the step on Broken, (Which is worse now than when Cheeky did it a few months ago) I would be happy to try it, but the sensible way would be to motor up to the step, may be have my three try’s, then hook up the winch, a little winch and drive the rest.
(Actually the easiest way after watching others would be to skip the three tries. Motor up, winch, drive on)

Same with Koala IMHO the only sensible way to do the top of Koala (in present condition) would be via winch, not risk people on the mudguards, just to prove that I could "Drive it"

Its should not be seen as some sort of failure to break out the winch so as to not damage a vehicle, some things are just better winched than bashed over.

Just to paint the picture for people who have not seen Koala (at the moment) its very steep water rutted section, with about 4 Cross axle, wheel steps.
The guy who was boasting to me that he had done it, showed me marks on the walls where he had been trying to get up the vertical steps, the marks he showed me, were of his 35’s where he had been biting into the walls on the side of the track tiring to get traction.
Grimaces dream 40 inch tyres would not have helped because the step was about 8 inches above the middle of where his tyre had been with an over hang to stop the tyre climbing.
All he had been doing was pushing his tire into the wall. I can only imagine how much noise was used to bash over this step.
Clearly, this is a case of think a bit, and break out the winch! Safer, Easier, why not?

As a postscript to this story I latter found out that this “Driver” (again I use the term loosely) had later spun his ARB center for the second time, and when We had a look inside His Pinion had been cutting itself a second set of teeth in the crown wheel.

I am thinking his “Driving” Koala cost him more than it was worth. :o

PS, What sort of MT's are you running Tim? PM me.

[long stroke]

Yep i agree, it is a bloody insane looking hill, and i havn't seen it in a couple of months so maybe it has changed again (havn't had a real lot of rain though) anyhow, Michael Bowen drove it afew months ago without to many issue's along with Sando in his chopped duel cab patrol, and Ant in his v8 defender, Ant and Sando had a bit of trouble diffing out on the second section where the ruts get pretty deep:eek:
But as far as i know they didn't have any troubles on the ledges;) (they may well we alot worse now.)
Before anyone drives it though they always do abit of track building etc to make it slightly safer:eek:
Dad drove it in the county about 6 months ago, but it wasn't quite as bad then, but it certainly wasn't easy:o, i don't think he will ever try it again the way it is now, were lucky to drive it without any major damage, i have some pics somewhere i will try find them...

We might have to go check it out and see how much worse it has got:cool:
the funny thing is about 10 years ago or so you could drive it in a stock standard 4wd:angel:

P.s dad is running 33'' BFG's and i'm about to fit 33'' bighorns.. and i'm not planning on trying it:p

CHEERS TIM.






Thanks Tim
but I do have to question the "still drivable"

I was speaking to the last guy who claimed to have done it recently, he claimed that he needed some bodies hanging off his side to keep the front down, this crosses the line from extreme drivable to Crazy for me.

As I said to Michael Bowen about the step on Broken, (Which is worse now than when Cheeky did it a few months ago) I would be happy to try it, but the sensible way would be to motor up to the step, may be have my three try’s, then hook up the winch, a little winch and drive the rest.
(Actually the easiest way after watching others would be to skip the three tries. Motor up, winch, drive on)

Same with Koala IMHO the only sensible way to do the top of Koala would be via winch, not risk people on the mudguards, just to prove that I could "Drive it"

Its should not be seen as some sort of failure to break out the winch so as to not damage a vehicle, some things are just better winched than bashed over.

Just to paint the picture for people who have not seen Koala its very steep water rutted section, with about 4 Cross axle, wheel steps.
The guy who was boasting to me that he had done it, showed me marks on the walls where he had been trying to get up the vertical steps, the marks he showed me, were of his 35’s where he had been biting into the walls on the side of the track tiring to get traction.
Grimaces dream 40 inch tyres would not have helped because the step was about 8 inches above the middle of where his tyre had been with an over hang to stop the tyre climbing.
All he had been doing was pushing his tire into the wall. I can only imagine how much noise was used to bash over this step.
Clearly, this is a case of think a bit, and break out the winch! Safer, Easier, why not?

As a postscript to this story I latter found out that this “Driver” (again I use the term loosely) had later spun his ARB center for the second time, and when We had a look inside His Pinion had been cutting itself a second set of teeth in the crown wheel.

I am thinking his “Driving” Koala cost him more than it was worth. :o

PS, What sort of MT's are you running Tim? PM me.

[Psimpson7]

I would like to suggest a THREE TRY POLICY

It could go like this,
Try, get stuck.
Try again, no better.
Try again, Still Stuck. Three tries you out. Back out or secure the vehicle and have a THINK.

If you have a new idea of how to tackle the problem spot, or have gotten someone to spot for you, then Three more tries are in order.
If unsuccessful - time for a snatch or winch or drive around.

Surely you would have thought about the line / got a spotter first if the tracks were that difficult. As Harry has mentioned we have, last week been dicussing this including the amount of tries and stationary wheelspin for trip leader guidelines.

[CheekyD1]

Surely you would have thought about the line / got a spotter first if the tracks were that difficult..
I am not criticizing anybody’s driving

I am sure we all would have, but if one is stuck after 3 tries, maybe that line was not as good as one first thought or the track turned out to be more difficult than one expected. (Happens to the best of us) :angel:
So to prevent the red mist descending :twisted: don’t you think its time for a break and a rethink, or as you say get the aid of a spotter. or maybe even break out the winch or get a snatch.
All I am saying is there are many more options than using more Right foot, More Left is probally better.

I have some other thoughts but best not canvassed on a public forum, I probably have said more than appropriate already.

Cheers

Gaz

[Psimpson7]

don’t you think its time for a break and a rethink, or as you say get the aid of a spotter. or maybe even break out the winch or get a snatch.
All I am saying is there are many more options than using more Right foot, More Left is probally better.


I never said it wasn't Gary. Im not one of the people who uses larger and larger applications of throttle to get over stuff.

If you have any more questions/suggestions please bring them to the attention of the committee please.

[Grimace]

Having now driven the impossibles myself, I'm even more impressed with the old Jeep!

Found this thread while searching for inspiration to get out wheeling again!

[dungarover]

Hasn't a lot changed in 5 years. The majority of the contributors to this thread are no longer GCLRO members which is sad :(:( (me included).

I remember this thread, it got a bit heated between a few people but it was a good read :)

Trav