Look out for all the coppers on the road [Archive]

EchiDna

25th December 2008, 12:09 AM

from another angle, just a subtle reminder - don't speed or break the law and the worst the poor people who happen to be coppers who have to work on Christmas and spend it away from their families will do is breathalyse you. Don't speed, don't use the phone, don;t drink and drive and they will look for some joker who is breaking the law - someone who might just have caused an accident if it were not for the actions and dedication of our coppers...

My personal record was being pulled up 6 times on Christmas day - on my P's, dodgy personal appearance, crappy car... and I used to wonder why they picked on me! lol!
seriously though, they are just doing their job - don't break the law and the worst that can happen is a five minute stop on the side of the road to blow into a breathalyser.

lokka

25th December 2008, 01:19 AM

Sprint

25th December 2008, 02:17 AM

Panda

25th December 2008, 02:46 AM

Yea, I feel for the coppers having to work over Christmas, by & large they do a good job & I for one certainly wouldn't have the patience to deal with the general public in their situation. It amazes me these cops shows you see from New Zealand (I think), whereby the wrongdoers, shall we say, always try to get out of it & deny total responsibility. There are so many total ******* out there. I seriously couldn't deal with them. So they have my admiration for that aspect alone.

I also don't envy the poor coppers having to attend bad accidents, must be bloody awful. And, despite years of experience etc, must be very hard to switch off at the end of a bad shift & be "normal". And I reckon I have bad days! :o Nothing to what they have to contend with.

Driving back from Campbelltown, there were 3 coppers standing next to their police car, took one look at me in the Series III, & I swear their heads nearly swivelled off their necks. I'm sure they were tossing up whether to follow me & pull me over. I wasn't speeding or anything, so I wasn't worried, just amused! :D

Thankfully I rarely drink & certainly don't drink & drive, so that never worries me. And as far as speeding goes, well, the Series III has enough problems getting up hills, so the only time I'm at risk of speeding is when she eventually gets wound up, or trying to get some speed going down hills before a whopper of a hill coming up, so I don't lose too much speed, or in a 60 or 80 zone. :D

In any case, it was just a reminder to watch yourselves & not do anything daft over the holiday period, like end up losing your licence, or worse still, having a bad accident & ending up in hospital or dead. (Subtle ain't I?) ;)

from another angle, just a subtle reminder - don't speed or break the law and the worst the poor people who happen to be coppers who have to work on Christmas and spend it away from their families will do is breathalyse you. Don't speed, don't use the phone, don;t drink and drive and they will look for some joker who is breaking the law - someone who might just have caused an accident if it were not for the actions and dedication of our coppers...

My personal record was being pulled up 6 times on Christmas day - on my P's, dodgy personal appearance, crappy car... and I used to wonder why they picked on me! lol!
seriously though, they are just doing their job - don't break the law and the worst that can happen is a five minute stop on the side of the road to blow into a breathalyser.

2_door

25th December 2008, 09:14 PM

lets see

1. you speed...you get a ticket

2. you talk on your mobile when driving...you get a ticket

3. dont wear a seat belt...you get a ticket

4. drive tired/drunk/stupid....you die

everyone knows the rules, if you don't, then you shouldnt have a licence. Dont whinge when you do something wrong, get pulled over and get a ticket. If you did nothing wrong, then you wouldnt be in that predicament. You have only yourself to blame. road safety is no game, we take cars for granted but they are a deadly weapon and can kill you or me or some innocent bystander in the blink of an eye, I have seen it over and over.

I am sick and tired of people complaining about coppers. They are normal people doing a damn hard job and we, the public, should be there to support them. They make our community a safe place to be, imagine if there were no coppers, you wouldnt be safe to leave the house.

thats my 2 cents worth, everyone has their opinion on road safety/police etc but imagine what the place would be like if we didnt have those dedicate people in blue :angel:

dont worry about the boys in blue on the road, look out for that w@nker in the lane next to you/at the next corner/pulling out in front of you that is unlicenced, in an unregistered car with no seat belt and drunk...he's the real danger and guess what, he doesnt care if he kills you or your family....

be safe people.

leeds

25th December 2008, 09:39 PM

dont worry about the boys in blue on the road, look out for that w@nker in the lane next to you/at the next corner/pulling out in front of you that is unlicenced, in an unregistered car with no seat belt and drunk...he's the real danger and guess what, he doesnt care if he kills you or your family....

be safe people.

I for one do not worry about the boys in blue. YES I have been pulled over and had tickets for relatively minor offences. The normal motorist will get done at times and it is best to just accept these as a sharp reminder about our driving. We are driving potential lethal weapons.

The complete morons as Shorty mentions are darn sight more dangerous and often show no remorse for the consequences of their actions. Trouble is the morons are more likely to wipe out some innocent people then themselves. If the morons just wiped themselves/each other out it would improve the worlds gene pool.

Regards

Brendan

Sprint

25th December 2008, 09:41 PM

dont get me wrong, i accept that i was speeding, i'm just disputing the orificers claims about the seriousness considering what happens on a minute by minute basis in town

Tote

25th December 2008, 10:02 PM

dont get me wrong, i accept that i was speeding, i'm just disputing the orificers claims about the seriousness considering what happens on a minute by minute basis in town
It's not the coppers, they're just doing their job. It's the dimwit politicians that we elect that get free publicity by being seen to be hard on speeding etc that annoy me.
The other day I heard someone from the AFP complaining how they had caught 73 people DUI in Canberra over the last few weeks. At face value that would seem to be shocking except that I've been living around the area for 10 years and have only been pulled up in the ACT twice for a random breath test. In NSW I probably get pulled up at least once every two months. It seems that the ACT have started to get a bit serious about RBT and are actually catching people. The media shouldn't be asking why so many people are being booked, they should ask why RBT hasn't been effective for the last 10 years. I have worked with young blokes in Canberra that have the same attitude that my mates had in NSW before RBT was introduced ie: if you make it home you couldn't have been too drunk to drive.
The other one I'm waiting for is the media bleat about "The record Christmas road toll". The only problem is that due to low petrol prices "record numbers of people are heading off on a road trip for the Christmas holidays". Link (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/money/story/0,26887,24824703-5015810,00.html)
That and the fact that they started measuring the Christmas road toll 5 days before Christmas and won't stop until the 5th of Jan should give the pollies some excuses to introduce some more taxes in the name of saving lives.
:soapbox:

Regards,
Tote

JohnE

26th December 2008, 06:35 AM

still cant believe i got booked for 14km/h over on the highway last week....... got a lecture about my "life endangering offence" less than 10 minutes before i got into town and had to contend with people doing well in excess of 80 in a 60 zone, illegal overtaking and morons in prado's failing to give way

life endangering? gawd, the only life in danger was mine from nearly busting my guts laughing

so it was a 'safe' 14 k's over the limit and you knew you could do an emergency stop just as well the same as if you were doing the speed limit and your reaction time is that good that the extra speed you were doing would not make any difference for you.
And the laws of the land don;t apply to you ,

Gee i am glad there are capable drivers like you around.

je

JDNSW

26th December 2008, 07:33 AM

To repeat what I have said before. If you look at any of the reports of random breath test campaigns (such as the ACT one mentioned above), you will find that in almost all cases the proportion of over the limit compared to number of tests is almost always less than 1%, usually way less. Then consider that around 30% of dead drivers are over the limit, and just think for a moment what this says about the major cause of road deaths; it is not speeding (although speeding is often involved, as is not wearing a seat belt and unlicenced/driving an uninsured, unregistered car). It is not speeding that is the major cause of road deaths.

The problem with speed is that in many cases the speed limit is unrealistic - I could give any number of examples - but this is no excuse, nor is the fact that everybody else is speeding; you know the law and if you get booked you almost always have yourself to blame (the exceptions would be poor or non-existent signs).

A few other facts to consider:-

1. Contrary to implications by the authorities, road deaths over holiday periods are rarely higher than over any similar non-holiday period, and the fatality rate is invariably lower than a normal period when considered on a car-kilometre basis. Double demerits have not been shown to have any effect on statistics!

2. Current road death rates are (give or take noise on statistics) the lowest ever on Australian roads on a car-kilometre basis, which is the only sensible way of looking at it. The reasons for this are not hard to find - better roads, seat belts and random breath tests, and to a small extent, better driving attitudes.

3. While phone use may contribute to a few accidents, the fact that a massive increase in mobile phone use over the last fifteen years from rare to almost universal has made no discernible impact on road statistics (which continued to drop) despite the fact that many people use them while driving, shows that they cannot be a major cause of accidents. The reason for this is probably that the people who allow them to interfere with driving are probably going to allow other things to do so as well, thus having their accident while changing stations, doing their hair, shaving, eating lunch etc.

John

Panda

26th December 2008, 08:56 AM

Yes, I agree with you John, the speed limits in a lot of cases are totally unrealistic. I had to drive to Bondi & back yesterday & was constantly looking at the speedo to keep within the speed limit - in a lot of cases the most ridiculous speed limits for the circumstances. Where we live it's very rural, & driving through some of the towns the speed limit's are 50, and some of the roads are 80 when in my opinion they should be set at 100. As for using mobile phones - I find it more distracting trying to constantly read the speedo on the SIII to keep within the speed limit!

I don't personally know the statistics regarding accidents relating to speeding, etc. But I was told by a doctor that his opinion was that the accidents were just as bad as ever, despite all the policing, RBT's, speed cameras, etc.

Bigbjorn

26th December 2008, 09:20 AM

Speed limits are arbitrary, set by bureaucrats, politicians and police and bear no relationship to prevailing circumstances. Despite the exponential improvement in vehicles and roads since 1960, the time of the last update to Queensland speed limits other than conversion to metric, there has been virtually no change in the arbitrary limits. I am not suggesting that the limits in built up and heavily trafficked areas should be changed although I do object to the 50 km/h limit imposed about 8 years ago. Most of our major highways could be safely changed to 120 km/h or even 140 km/h in more remote areas, or even like the NT used to be, no limit. NSW used to have unrestricted open roads up until about 1970 where the speed travelled at was left to the drivers discretion and the police could take action if they consider the driver was operating dangerously.

Drunk driving has been drastically reduced by wide spread random testing, stiff fines, and long suspensions, also prolonged widespread publicity brought about a complete change in community attitude towards drinking and driving. Long gone are the days when a Sergeant of Police could say in public that "you have to be pretty pi55ed before you can't drive a motor car" as I heard once.

One of my customers( model engineer) is a senior Inspector of Police, 38 years service. He tells me that nowadays it is rare to find a driver with a very high reading on a breath test. Over .15 is now rare and noteworthy, he says, whereas when he was a young copper readings over .2 were commonplace and rarely commented upon to colleagues unless up around .28 and greater. He says it is obvious that most drivers are aware of the limits and do try to keep under .05 as most charges these days are for readings around .06 - .09

Sprint

26th December 2008, 09:42 AM

so it was a 'safe' 14 k's over the limit and you knew you could do an emergency stop just as well the same as if you were doing the speed limit and your reaction time is that good that the extra speed you were doing would not make any difference for you.
And the laws of the land don;t apply to you ,

Gee i am glad there are capable drivers like you around.

je

tell me......

1: whats worse, 14km/h over the limit where all you can see of the next car is a blob in the distance, or where you can read the writing on the bumper stickers on the cars that pass you down the main street in town?

2: not buying into the whole bull**** argument about de-restricting the highways in the NT, but whats so different to me doing 114km/h in qld and doing the same speed further west, across the border in the NT where its perfectly legal? it was a clear day, visibility for a good couple of K's, and the road was in good condition, so i fail to see any issue with what he did

3: i drive to the conditions of the road, if its foul weather, roadworks, high traffic, etc etc etc of course im going to behave myself, and just the same, when i do choose to play up, i do so where conditions permit, and where the only person likely to get hurt is myself

as i said, i admit i was speeding, i'll pay the fine and wear the demerit points, i just object to the officers claims about how "life endangering" it was

if he was so serious about saving lives, he'd be able to save a lot of fuel by standing out front of where i work, booking people who cut through the forecourt of the servo across the road (not looking for, and consequently nearly hitting a few pedestrians), perform illegal U-turns at the busiest intersection in town, play up and slide around the corner in thier XR6/8 falcons and SS commodores (and even dual cab hiluxes in the wet), the idiots who fail to give way, etc etc etc

but nah, none of that could ever possibly be as dangerous as 14km/h over the speed limit on the highway with nobody around could it

monday morning i'll pull over and take a photo of where he pulled me up if you dont believe me when i say the highways are quiet up here

btw, also found out the same cop also booked an ambulance driver for doing 120....... with a patient in the back!

weeds

26th December 2008, 10:05 AM

i prefer the term police women or police man.........much nicer than copper:mad:

p38arover

26th December 2008, 10:22 AM

The media reports that all police leave (in NSW) is cancelled over Christmas is govt. spin (why am I not surprised). They have an embargo on HWP and General Duties police taking leave (which is a lot different to cancelling leave) but a police woman I was speaking to earlier this week said her squad has been directed to take leave - leaving a bare minimum available.

They are accruing too much leave and they have to take it. It is, apparently, worse for GD as they work 12 hour shifts so they have longer breaks in the fortnight. Hence, they tend not to take annual leave.

CaverD3

27th December 2008, 04:52 PM

i prefer the term police women or police man.........much nicer than copper:mad:

How about pi#gies? :D

I think it is easier to say coppers (which is not an insult) than 'policemen or police women'.

It depends on the intention and attitude of the person not the words.:angel:

Lotz-A-Landies

27th December 2008, 04:59 PM

i prefer the term police women or police man.........much nicer than copper:mad:Well unfortunately those terms are incorrect as they are sexist, with an implication that Police Officers who happen to be female are somehow different or less capable to Police Officers who happen to be male.

So the term "coppers" being non-sexist is possibly preferable to use when describing the wollopers. ;) :wasntme:

Shonky

27th December 2008, 05:09 PM

I'm sure the Rozzers don't like being called Wollopers Diana... :angel:

SmokyBear

27th December 2008, 05:36 PM

still cant believe i got booked for 14km/h over on the highway last week....... got a lecture about my "life endangering offence" less than 10 minutes before i got into town and had to contend with people doing well in excess of 80 in a 60 zone, illegal overtaking and morons in prado's failing to give way

life endangering? gawd, the only life in danger was mine from nearly busting my guts laughing

I'm afraid the only thing I find hard to believe here is that you've come online to complain about this.

YOU broke the speed limit, YOU were in the wrong. YOU got caught & the other idiots on the road didn't. Big Deal. Next time it may be their turn (and I bet they'll cry that what they were doing wasn't dangerous too.)

So the big nasty police officer gave you a patronising lecture? I'm betting you weren't the first driver he pulled over that day who swore his speeding wasn't dangerous.

CaverD3

27th December 2008, 05:46 PM

I took it that he was not complaining about getting booked just the (as you put it) patronising lecture. I don't think the cop needed to justify giving the ticket.

Highway patrol can be a different breed from other cops. I have a friend who when working at a police station a new probationary constable when reporting to the desk on his first day, a highway officer who followed him in gave him a ticket for failing to indicate when he turned into the entrance.:o

Having said that have had another one stop behind me with lightswhen I was changing a tyre just to stop me getting hit.:D

SmokyBear

27th December 2008, 05:47 PM

John could you please link your source information for the "facts" quoted in your post? I find some of them hard to believe.

My real world experience is that two of the four traffic accidents that I attended last month resulted from driver inattention caused by mobile phones. Thankfully neither was fatal. I trust my eyes more than I trust statistics.

To repeat what I have said before. If you look at any of the reports of random breath test campaigns (such as the ACT one mentioned above), you will find that in almost all cases the proportion of over the limit compared to number of tests is almost always less than 1%, usually way less. Then consider that around 30% of dead drivers are over the limit, and just think for a moment what this says about the major cause of road deaths; it is not speeding (although speeding is often involved, as is not wearing a seat belt and unlicenced/driving an uninsured, unregistered car). It is not speeding that is the major cause of road deaths.

The problem with speed is that in many cases the speed limit is unrealistic - I could give any number of examples - but this is no excuse, nor is the fact that everybody else is speeding; you know the law and if you get booked you almost always have yourself to blame (the exceptions would be poor or non-existent signs).

A few other facts to consider:-

1. Contrary to implications by the authorities, road deaths over holiday periods are rarely higher than over any similar non-holiday period, and the fatality rate is invariably lower than a normal period when considered on a car-kilometre basis. Double demerits have not been shown to have any effect on statistics!

2. Current road death rates are (give or take noise on statistics) the lowest ever on Australian roads on a car-kilometre basis, which is the only sensible way of looking at it. The reasons for this are not hard to find - better roads, seat belts and random breath tests, and to a small extent, better driving attitudes.

3. While phone use may contribute to a few accidents, the fact that a massive increase in mobile phone use over the last fifteen years from rare to almost universal has made no discernible impact on road statistics (which continued to drop) despite the fact that many people use them while driving, shows that they cannot be a major cause of accidents. The reason for this is probably that the people who allow them to interfere with driving are probably going to allow other things to do so as well, thus having their accident while changing stations, doing their hair, shaving, eating lunch etc.

John

Lotz-A-Landies

27th December 2008, 05:49 PM

Smoky B

It's like the majority of people sitting in prisons around the country, it's always the Police's fault that they are in there, nothing to do with the crime that they committed. Although that said, there are always a small number of genuinely innocent people wrongly caught up in the system.

Back to the thread, IMHO if someone was going 14KPH over the limit, cop it and the lecture that goes along with it. It is better than giving a bit of lip and them deciding to go through your car with a fine tooth comb, they can always find something else to give more tickets for.

Diana

JDNSW

27th December 2008, 06:03 PM

4X4V8

27th December 2008, 06:05 PM

Speed kills, the ads say. So how do police manage to stay alive with all the speeding they do? Do lights, siren and a little certificate from an advanced driving course do it?

Smashed police cars on the news again. I guess not.

I know that we need limits, but its the politicisation of it all that gets me.

When we have no tickets ever issues for speeding, because everyone adheres to the speed limit, but people are still killed on the road, then what happens?

It won't happen, but the blind acceptance of 'speeding kills' and doing 1km/h over a set limit is dangerous to all and sundry is frightening. It has implications for us as a society that goes far, far beyond anything to do with speed limits.

Mick-Kelly

27th December 2008, 06:34 PM

Speed doesn't kill per say, its the sudden stop that gets ya.

Sprint

27th December 2008, 07:30 PM

I'm afraid the only thing I find hard to believe here is that you've come online to complain about this.
*sighs*

if you paid attention like your training is supposed to have you do, you wouldve noticed in a later post that i happily accepted the fact that i'd been caught exceeding the posted speed limit, and that i was happy enough to pay the fine and wear the demerits

what i WAS NOT happy about was the lecture i recieved, considering the dangerous and illegal driving i see on an hourly basis from my desk at work (not forgetting 5 minutes later when i arrived in town)

i'm happy to wear the punishment for exceeding the speed limit, but it makes the officer seem incredibly hypocritical when so much illegal and much more dangerous stuff goes unnoticed in town because all the cops are on the highway

if the officer was serious about preventing injuries/deaths on the roads, he could do so a LOT more effectively sitting on the side of the road out front of where i work

I took it that he was not complaining about getting booked just the (as you put it) patronising lecture. I don't think the cop needed to justify giving the ticket.

the officer didnt need to justify anything, he was doing his job

Highway patrol can be a different breed from other cops.
ive found up here that the local highway patrol/traffic officers tend to be less gung ho about thier job, and i have even been told "its generally not worthwhile pulling someone over for 15-20km/h over, because by the time ive hit the lights, turned around and pulled them over, some clown will have gone past at 130+"

i have also found that its the probabtionary constables who go feral issuing everyone (including, as i have since found out, the local ambulance driver who got ticketed with a patient in the ambulance) forgetting that the local population have been here a long time, and will still be here a long time after the probie has been and gone, and will feel no ill effect

what the probationary contables also seem to forget, is that whilst they might be out of thier comfort zone of the city, the "hick towns" where they're sent to require just as much, if not more diplomacy to get the locals on side..... and out here, its much easier to enforce the law if you have the locals on your side.....

Lotz-A-Landies

27th December 2008, 07:35 PM

...<snip>

<snip>...i have also found that its the probabtionary constables who go feral issuing everyone (including, as i have since found out, the local ambulance driver who got ticketed with a patient in the ambulance) forgetting that the local population have been here a long time, and will still be here a long time after the probie has been and gone, and will feel no ill effect ...<snip>Not necessarily so, a few years ago the Highway Patrol officer doing the Berry NSW area, booked the local magistrate.

Now that is someone who you'd think a Highway Patrol Officer would want to have on his side at traffic court.

Bigbjorn

27th December 2008, 07:40 PM

and.....maybe the wollopers and rozzers are not too fond of being called "the fuzz" either :angel:

Who's been picked up by the fuzz then?

dobbo

27th December 2008, 08:21 PM

Who's been picked up by the fuzz then?

As a fellow Suzi driver you know that we don't break the speed limit. Numerous noise and air pollution laws maybe.

rovercare

27th December 2008, 08:42 PM

Who's been picked up by the fuzz then?

Does losing your brief 6 times, mountains of dollars in fines, a few "runs", I guess you could say I have:D

ATH

27th December 2008, 08:48 PM

I work close to the Police Academy here in WA and I can tell you the standard of driving even of instructors there, isn't any too good.
I'm talking ordinary driving like we do, signalling, road positioning etc., not high speed stuff which they may well be good at.
A new lot of recruits passed out recently and most go straight into what's called here the TEG .... Traffic Enforcement Group.
Two colleagues of mine had sons go straight into this mob and one says he has seen his son’s cop's licence which advises them that they "are not required to obey any traffic regulation while driving their Police vehicle"!
Nothing about when in pursuit or going on an emergency call, just do what they like and don't bother setting an example to the driving public of how it should be done.
Basically what both went through was a driving test, a couple of days at the local raceway, a sergeant goes out with them for 2 days and that's it.
Long gone are the days in WA when a copper had to walk the beat and actually meet the public on their own ground, before given the privilege of driving a fancy vehicle.
But as a mate who's a detective says "they can't keep them in unless they give them a car to drive".
It’s not a job I could do or ever want to do and I've got a tremendous amount of respect for general duties cops, but after hearing (now we can no longer hear them as they’ve gone digital and seeing their own standard of driving), the excuses of traffic cops not to attend "ordinary" jobs because they are “traffic”, I've got no time for them regardless of what anyone else thinks about them.
I do accept however that pulling bodies from cars and telling rellies what’s happened must be bloody awful.
And I admit to 4 tickets for minor speeding offences over 36 years, but in WA given that's about the only thing you can get a ticket for, that’s not too bad a record.
“Inappropriate speed kills but stupidity kills at any speed”.
Happy motoring.
Alan.

dobbo

27th December 2008, 09:04 PM

Brian...are you actually able to say anything that doesn't have a sexual connotation? :o

I wait with baited breath.....

I see where you are going with this, and wholey agree, it's much less time consuming to be direct, just walk up and ask for a shag, whats the worst thing that can happen.

abaddonxi

27th December 2008, 09:04 PM

abaddonxi

27th December 2008, 09:07 PM

I see where you are going with this, and wholey agree, it's much less time consuming to be direct, just walk up and ask for a shag, whats the worst thing that can happen.

Think you can keep your shag, thanks.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/Images/shag_300_tcm9-142477.jpg

Simon

Wait for it...

dullbird

27th December 2008, 09:13 PM

and its holding its leg in a funny position:)

abaddonxi

27th December 2008, 09:24 PM

It's on a rock too ;)

Boom tish.

And here's the link
The RSPB: Shag (http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/s/shag/index.asp)

Simon

abaddonxi

27th December 2008, 09:26 PM

You must have been thinking of the brown shag.

http://www.closkey.com/mybrilliantmistakes/archives/shag.jpg (http://mybrilliantmistakes.com/?p=91)

Simon

Mick-Kelly

27th December 2008, 09:32 PM

I was just concerned that it might have been a gannet ;)
They wet their nests you know :eek:

GOLD !!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D havent heard that in ages.

abaddonxi

27th December 2008, 09:37 PM

Think it might've actually been a bald coot.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/c/coot/index.asp)

All-black and larger than its cousin, the moorhen, it has a distinctive white beak and 'shield' above the beak which earns it the title 'bald'. Its feet have distinctive lobed flaps of skin on the toes, which act instead of webs when swimming. It patters noisily over the water before taking off and can be very aggressive towards others.

Simon

dullbird

27th December 2008, 09:45 PM

and what I want to know is how is all this knowledge relevant to this thread? was that shag seen on his mobile while driving?

abaddonxi

27th December 2008, 10:01 PM

Soooooooo...........we hope all this birdy knowledge is not from Olsen's Expurgated Version of the Book of British Birds (you know....the one without the gannet) :twisted:

Ah, thank you.

http://www.sklar.com/texts/mp-bookshop

p38arover

27th December 2008, 10:04 PM

Brian...are you actually able to say anything that doesn't have a sexual connotation? :o

I wait with baited breath.....

What are you trying to catch?

Ron (waiting with bated breath) :angel:

303gunner

28th December 2008, 12:39 AM

Highway patrol can be a different breed from other cops. I have a friend who when working at a police station a new probationary constable when reporting to the desk on his first day, a highway officer who followed him in gave him a ticket for failing to indicate when he turned into the entrance.:o

Having said that have had another one stop behind me with lightswhen I was changing a tyre just to stop me getting hit.:D
I guess after some time in the job, you'd do whatever you could to avoid seeing this sort of thing.

303gunner

28th December 2008, 12:54 AM

Driving back from Campbelltown, there were 3 coppers standing next to their police car, took one look at me in the Series III, & I swear their heads nearly swivelled off their necks. I'm sure they were tossing up whether to follow me & pull me over. I wasn't speeding or anything, so I wasn't worried, just amused! :D

Could be they were just curious!

One of the members of our MV club sent this pic. Had to laugh, but I'd guess you'd be passing bricks too at the same time. He wasn't busted, they just wanted to know "what the hell is that"? What I want to know is how do you see lights and hear sirens when you're driving. And if you do drive for several kilometres before pulling over, just how do the HP think the're going to stop you?

Panda

28th December 2008, 01:25 AM

You could be right there! About 5 years ago, also driving in Campbelltown, I got pulled over for a RBT driving the SIII. (The only time I've ever been pulled over in the SIII actually). The copper was very amused, laughing merrily & calling me the "crocodile lady", though where he got that from I have no idea, seeing as the Series III has painted "The Green Goanna" on it.

Would have been a classic being pulled over driving a tank! :D

Could be they were just curious!

One of the members of our MV club sent this pic. Had to laugh, but I'd guess you'd be passing bricks too at the same time. He wasn't busted, they just wanted to know "what the hell is that"? What I want to know is how do you see lights and hear sirens when you're driving. And if you do drive for several kilometres before pulling over, just how do the HP think the're going to stop you?

BMKal

28th December 2008, 02:37 AM

Two colleagues of mine had sons go straight into this mob and one says he has seen his son’s cop's licence which advises them that they "are not required to obey any traffic regulation while driving their Police vehicle"!
Nothing about when in pursuit or going on an emergency call, just do what they like and don't bother setting an example to the driving public of how it should be done.

I think I'd be asking to "SEE" this advice on their licence before I believed it.

In a previous job, I worked closely with WA Police, traffic and other , and this description of their "driving rules" doesn't ring true with my experience.

Police and other emergency services drivers are allowed to contravene certain traffic rules, only under strictly prescribed conditions, with the main proviso that - "ONLY WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO". If a copper drives through a red light or onto the wrong side of the road and has an accident with another vehicle, then the copper is in the wrong, because it was obviously not safe to do so.

I have actually seen this instruction to police myself (not as reported second hand by someone's dad), as I had to observe the same conditions as part of my own job - where I was also allowed to contravene some traffic rules under the same conditions.

In my case, I was a Pilot Vehicle operator, escorting oversize loads. Accredited Pilot Vehicle operators in WA have some of the same "rights" as police and other emergency services drivers in certain circumstances.

Sprint

28th December 2008, 04:43 AM

LOL....

Not only a lecture from the nice policeman that booked you but from forum members as well :D:D:D

We learn the hard way...if you don't want a lecture don't do the wrong thing....and definitely don't whinge about it on this forum (she who has been bitten more than once ;))
are you sure you're not blurring the line between being Numpty's Missus and actually being a Numpty?

if certain forum members would pull thier heads out of thier asses long enough to read what has been said, they would shut up and stop giving lectures that only serve to show how ignorant they are

i'll say it again for the forum members who are stupid enough to need things repeated to them

I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE POLICE OFFICER GIVING ME A TICKET FOR SPEEDING, THEREFORE ANY CLAIMS I'M WHINGING ABOUT IT ARE POINTLESS

WHAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IS THE CLAIMS THE OFFICER MADE CONCERNING THE "LIFE ENDANGERING" NATURE OF THE OFFENCE GIVEN THAT LESS THAN 10 MINUTES AFTER HE ISSUED THE TICKET I WAS DEALING WITH RETARDS OVERTAKING ILLEGALLY, SPEEDING AND FAILING TO GIVE WAY, ALL IN AN URBAN AREA

if the officer concerned really was serious about saving lives, he'd be able to do a MUCH more effective job of it patrolling the streets in town, instead the banana succumbs to being a lackey of the brainless politicians in search of more votes on the "speeding kills" bandwagon

Marika

28th December 2008, 06:37 AM

Thanks Panda
Ill be sure to tell all the mates to put in the good points just for you
Dont do any thing wrong and we are harmless and we will pull you over to wish you a merry x-mas
Be carefull all the year Mates not just this double demerit point weekend
And besides mates Land Rovers are expensive to fix aswell
so dont thrash them guys have a safe holiday with your familys

JDNSW

28th December 2008, 08:32 AM

Here are the statistics for NSW
Crash statistics (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/downloads/accident_statistics_dl4.html)

Search through the documents for phone. Close enough to zero to be negligible.

Simon

Thanks Simon. Note that all statistics show that 2007 was the safest year on record, and that the downward trend has continued during the rise in popularity of mobile phones.

A point worth noting is that assigning a cause to any event, including a road accident, is almost always a gross simplification. Any event has multiple causes, and selecting a single cause, such as mobile phone use, alcohol, speeding, driver training, road conditions, weather, vehicle design, vehicle condition as the "cause" of a particular accident probably says more about the reporter's preconceptions than anything else. The accident may have involved all of the above, and changing any one of them would have prevented the accident from occurring.

Some factors have a tendency to be reported more often because they can be measured or assessed easily - these are things such as blood alcohol, speed (in some circumstances), vehicle crossed to the wrong side (but why did it?), etc. Factors that may have been critical but are more difficult to assess, such as vehicle design, road design, driver emotional state, drugs for which no test is available, rarely get a mention.

John

JDNSW

28th December 2008, 08:41 AM

Delving a little deeper into statistics - in 2007 mobile phones are listed as a contributor to no fatal crashes and eleven out of about 34,000 injury crashes. I think this supports my original contention that mobile phones are not a major cause of road deaths.

John

Richard O

28th December 2008, 08:43 AM

Happy bunch of christmas campers arnt we :):):):):)

Cheers

Richard

Pedro_The_Swift

28th December 2008, 08:45 AM

maybe not deaths JD,,
but accidents?

I reckon they contribute to accidents.

Panda

28th December 2008, 09:41 AM

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Happy bunch of christmas campers arnt we :):):):):)

Cheers

Richard

Panda

28th December 2008, 09:44 AM

Very interesting thread. There seem to be so many variables. I wonder though, if maybe people don't drive as well as they used to? Have any of the "older" drivers on the forum noticed a change of driving pattern over the last say 20 odd years?

Bigbjorn

28th December 2008, 09:49 AM

Todays paper has an article about drink driving in Qld over the Christmas period

They say:compared to last year.
The road toll is down
Drink driving is up 20%. 97,000 motorists have been breath tested and 736 of them arrested
Speeding is up 12%

That is a strike rate of 0.76%. Hardly worth the time and expense. Certainly shows that the motoring community are well aware of the importance of staying sober whilst driving.

As to the member who received a lecture from a copper for the "life threatening offence" of driving 14k's over the limit on a clear highway I say this. The copper was doing his job by enforcing the law but was clearly out of order in giving the lecture. It is not his place to do so, and the offence was clearly not "life threatening". The copper should have issued the ticket and left it to the driver to dispute the issue and make his case before a magistrate.

One does wonder at the mentality of a police force that zealously enforces speed limits in localities where the speed limit is clearly ridiculous. I have seen radar traps hidden behind piles of gravel or in long grass and scrub beside long straight Western Queensland roads where there is barely another vehicle visible either ahead or behind. Given that all trucks and most locals have two way radios fitted the revenue raised must have been negligible.

tony

28th December 2008, 10:20 AM

First off let me say I have nothing against the "fuzz" "coper's" "woolpers" "flat feet' and all the other names the police are referred to, one of my oldest mates is a senior sergent.....

I do have a problem with some of the road rules, a lot of the speed limits are so stupid it makes it easy to speed, and if anybody can tell me how a spelling mistake improves road safety and is worth 3 points and a large fine ...well I'll eat my hat.

with the amount of serious crime shootings stabbings drugs etc etc surly those who are paid to protect and serve would be better employed directing there energy's to wards stooping these offenders than fineing somebody who hasn't got a seat belt on or hiding behind bridge supports with raider gun....

And as my mate keeps telling me so long as traffic infringements make up a large part of state revenue it will only get worse.... and don't forget tony the rules are made for the stupid people on the road, not those who can actually drive.

numpty

28th December 2008, 10:31 AM

And as my mate keeps telling me so long as traffic infringements make up a large part of state revenue it will only get worse.... and don't forget tony the rules are made for the stupid people on the road, not those who can actually drive.

That's a rather ridiculous thing to say in my humble opinion.

Laws are made for all!!!!!

You are inferring that the so called "stupid" people (a very subjective thing to say) should be governed in what they do in a vehicle, but "those who can actually drive" (who says?) should be able to do whatever they wish.

There will always be drivers with more ability than others, just as there are blokes who can fix cars and those that can't. Doesn't make the latter stupid........does it?

abaddonxi

28th December 2008, 10:32 AM

maybe not deaths JD,,
but accidents?

I reckon they contribute to accidents.

I don't know if this is still the case, but years ago the RTA only collected statistics on accidents to which the police were called.

I think they didn't because not enough information was collected from other accidents.

Simon

tony

28th December 2008, 11:25 AM

That's a rather ridiculous thing to say in my humble opinion.

Why,

Laws are made for all!!!!!

Bull dust, they are made to cover the lowest rung in the evolutionary ladder, and boost state revenue...(explane why spelling mistake can cost 3 points and a laarge fine then)

You are inferring that the so called "stupid" people (a very subjective thing to say) should be governed in what they do in a vehicle, but "those who can actually drive" (who says?) should be able to do whatever they wish.

no i'm not what i'm saying is there are some very stupid rules out there for the stupid majority, the road rules should not be set at the lowest gene level but somewhere in the middle and those that dont pass should'nt have a bloody licence...and there are some very stupid peope out there

There will always be drivers with more ability than others, just as there are blokes who can fix cars and those that can't. Doesn't make the latter stupid........does it?

No but those that carnt fix cars dont have a licence to say they can...an those that can do

Sprint

28th December 2008, 12:12 PM

Laws are made for all!!!!!

You are inferring that the so called "stupid" people (a very subjective thing to say) should be governed in what they do in a vehicle, but "those who can actually drive" (who says?) should be able to do whatever they wish.
Laws may cover everyone, but they are in place to protect/punish those who need them, those who dont will do perfectly fine without them

There will always be drivers with more ability than others, just as there are blokes who can fix cars and those that can't. Doesn't make the latter stupid........does it?
unfortunately, as a recent trial in the UK has found, being incompetent with a toolkit is just as lethal as being incompetent behind the wheel..... i'm with tony on this one, theres a LOT of people out there on the roads who shouldnt have a licence

As to the member who received a lecture from a copper for the "life threatening offence" of driving 14k's over the limit on a clear highway I say this. The copper was doing his job by enforcing the law but was clearly out of order in giving the lecture. It is not his place to do so, and the offence was clearly not "life threatening". The copper should have issued the ticket and left it to the driver to dispute the issue and make his case before a magistrate..
thankyou! (tho i think i should still point out for those of us who are convinced otherwise, i had no problem with the ticket, and i WILL be paying the fine, not disputing it in court)

with the amount of serious crime shootings stabbings drugs etc etc surely those who are paid to protect and serve would be better employed directing there energy's to wards stooping these offenders than fineing somebody who hasn't got a seat belt on or hiding behind bridge supports with radar gun....
ahh, but you see, speeding, no seatbelts, talking on mobiles, etc make the politicians look good in the media and seen to be doing something when the police go on a blitz and catch people being naughty.......

shootings, stabbings, drugs, rapes, etc..... how often do they get as much airplay in the evening news as when someone loses control and smacks into a power pole?

and the biggest factor you're forgetting?

putting thieves, murderers, druggo's and rapists in jail costs money, right from the instant the crime is reported till the day the crim is released, money the government is loathe to spend

speeding/seatbelt/mobile phone offences..... all you need is one officer per car, so little expense, but it not only looks good in the media, but it MAKES THE GOVERNMENT MONEY

EchiDna

28th December 2008, 12:12 PM

No but those that carnt fix cars dont have a licence to say they can...an those that can do

I (and many others on here) can fix almost everything in my car if I have the equipment needed... and no mechanics licence to say I can and I don't have to prove it to anyone that I have (or not) the ability to (for example) install a drive shaft.

speeding fines are no doubt sometimes generated by lazy police personnel in the simplest way they can do it - if that means hiding behind a 50km/hr zone sign on a downhill stretch to catch the law breakers then SOME police will do this. By far the majority do not, but it does not mean they all do....

Some funny comments in this tread - laws are apparently only for stupid people at the bottom of the evolutionary order. So I guess there must be some very stupid people on AULRO then who have been caught in RBT's, speeding, red lights, driving a defender like it's a WRX...

numpty

28th December 2008, 12:22 PM

Lotz-A-Landies

28th December 2008, 12:41 PM

Laws may cover everyone, ...<snip> Yes they do and should, including people like Justice Einfeld (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/einfeld_the_comedy_just_got_funnier/) who was not on the low rung of the evolutionary ladder <snip>...
unfortunately, as a recent trial in the UK has found, being incompetent with a toolkit is just as lethal as being incompetent behind the wheel..... i'm with tony on this one, theres a LOT of people out there on the roads who shouldn't have a licence...<snip> I have news for you, a lot of people who are out there don't have a licence. Despite being "permanent residents" required to have a local licence, many are driving on international licences which means they have never been tested on Australian Road Rules, many others have had their licences suspended or cancelled while others have never bothered to get one. (A recent fatal accident in Sydney witnessed by a member on this forum had a driver in the first group mentioned above.)

So in light of the above I applaud the Police actions of RBT stations, where they sometimes check every car driving a particular road and they get extra points from me for using new technology which identifies vehicles that are unregistered or the car's owner is identified as having outstanding warrants.

If it gets people off the road who shouldn't be there I think its great. Unfortunately those who have had their licence cancelled often ignore the fact and continue to drive. In fact I was involved in a case where this was exactly the situation. A driver had his licence suspended, continued to drive so had the licence formally cancelled and was banned from holding a licence for 5 years. He continued to drive and even drove to the the NSW Supreme Court where he was to appear on the charges and parked illegally outside Court in front of the Police who were there to prosecute him.

Diana

tony

28th December 2008, 12:49 PM

I stand by my previous comment that laws are made for all. Whether you think they are made for people with lower abilities than yourself, doesn't alter the fact that we are all covered by them and are expected to abide by them. I have certain rules and regulations which I must abide by in my occupation. Whether I agree with them or not doesn't enter into it......if I wish to keep my job.

Numpty, I never said they weren't if you read what is written instead of reading what you imagine is written I said that the laws were made to the lowest common denominator .... nothing at all about my abilities.

We all have certain rules that we have to abide by, so you're not alone. Unfortunately, there are people out there who ask why, not just blindly obey (even though they do follow the rules).

I must have missed something earlier (and I am not stupid) but could you explain about spelling mistakes and larger fines.

I never said you were, but you apparently have to reinforce the fact that you're not ... the subject thread was about road rules and the futility of some of them, obviously you don't have a heavy vehicle licence, or you would know with .gov's intent to improve road safety, if you incorrectly spell an Australian place name in your heavy vehicle log book, you can now be fined, and lose 3 points. Now if this is not a stupid law, and anyone who thinks it isn't must have rocks in their heads, I don't know what is.

Laws may cover everyone, but they are in place to protect/punish those who need them, those who dont will do perfectly fine without them

Yep, fully agree.

unfortunately, as a recent trial in the UK has found, being incompetent with a toolkit is just as lethal as being incompetent behind the wheel..... i'm with tony on this one, theres a LOT of people out there on the roads who shouldnt have a licence

Yep, fully agree.

thankyou! (tho i think i should still point out for those of us who are convinced otherwise, i had no problem with the ticket, and i WILL be paying the fine, not disputing it in court)

Yep, fully agree. I do the same, if I get sprung speeding, not wearing a seat belt, etc, etc, I've broken the law. It was my choice, and I'll wear the consequences, as I have done on many an occasion, because as I have stated previously, most of the road rules are there for the Numpties of this world.

ahh, but you see, speeding, no seatbelts, talking on mobiles, etc make the politicians look good in the media and seen to be doing something when the police go on a blitz and catch people being naughty.......

Yep, fully agree.

shootings, stabbings, drugs, rapes, etc..... how often do they get as much airplay in the evening news as when someone loses control and smacks into a power pole?

Yep, fully agree. But it's a shame the people who vote these morons in, can't see through the hype, and think for themselves, our politicians are paid by us, are supposed to represent the majoritys' opinion in their law making, and they don't ... because the majority of people are too stupid to be able to make decisions for themselves anymore, Nanny state is right.

and the biggest factor you're forgetting?

putting thieves, murderers, druggo's and rapists in jail costs money, right from the instant the crime is reported till the day the crim is released, money the government is loathe to spend

speeding/seatbelt/mobile phone offences..... all you need is one officer per car, so little expense, but it not only looks good in the media, but it MAKES THE GOVERNMENT MONEY

Too bloody true blue! As I've said, the Numpties of this world will believe everything they're told and read without ever making an informed decision of their own.

ps my use of the word "Numpties" in no way is intended to single out the Numptys' of this forum. Numpties is just another word for "sheeple" in my vocabulary.

Sprint

28th December 2008, 12:59 PM

So I guess there must be some very stupid people on AULRO then who have been caught in RBT's, speeding, red lights, driving a defender like it's a WRX...
you can drive a deefer like a WRX?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

more seriously though, if you get busted at an RBT, it makes you no stupider than when you decided to drive while intoxicated, it just sucks to be you that got caught!

Lotz-A-Landies, i know what you're talking about, although my comment was more aimed at those who actually have a valid Australian drivers licence, but little competency behind the wheel

I must have missed something earlier (and I am not stupid) but could you explain about spelling mistakes and larger fines.
truckies get fined if a town name is mis-spelt or abbreviated in thier logbooks

tony

28th December 2008, 01:07 PM

I (and many others on here) can fix almost everything in my car if I have the equipment needed... and no mechanics licence to say I can and I don't have to prove it to anyone that I have (or not) the ability to (for example) install a drive shaft.

Mate it never fails to amaze me how people can take things so personally on an Internet forum...I don't care if you're the worlds greatest spanner swinger in the universe, the LAW says you must be LICENSED to work on a motor vehicle that is not yours... so if you put a spanner on a vehicle that doesn't belong to you for any type of reward you would be breaking the law.....and as for removing nuts and bolts (4 each end on a drive shaft) they have trained dolphins to plant and remove sea mines and monkeys to fly space craft so changing a drive shaft is not up there with rocket science...

speeding fines are no doubt sometimes generated by lazy police personnel in the simplest way they can do it - if that means hiding behind a 50km/hr zone sign on a downhill stretch to catch the law breakers then SOME police will do this. By far the majority do not, but it does not mean they all do....

Couldn't agree more

Some funny comments in this tread - laws are apparently only for stupid people at the bottom of the evolutionary order. So I guess there must be some very stupid people on AULRO then who have been caught in RBT's, speeding, red lights, driving a defender like it's a WRX...

No they're not stupid they made a choice, for what ever reason....and no doubt wear the consequences without making a fuss.

...

p38arover

28th December 2008, 02:23 PM

truckies get fined if a town name is mis-spelt or abbreviated in thier logbooks

That will soon be a big source of revenue - if the standard of spelling I see is any indication.

Oh, maybe not. The truckies will lose their licence pretty quickly at 3 points per offence.

What a stupid law (if actually policed). I can see the reasoning for it - if one assumes it is to prevent logbook fraud.

BTW, Sprint, calling the police "scum" as you did earlier (since deleted by a Mod) is unacceptable in my opinion. :mad:

SmokyBear

28th December 2008, 02:29 PM

I'm sorry Alan, but the information that you have been given here is wrong.
The powers of all emergency drivers, including police, are governed by the Western Australia Road Traffic Code 2000, specifically section 19, regulation 280, linked here (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_reg/rtc2000113/s280.html).

A rough guide is that a driver of an emergency vehicle can not legally break any road rule unless he is using red / blue lights or siren and he honestly & reasonably believes it is safe & expedient to do so (there are some occasions where this does not apply)

Two colleagues of mine had sons go straight into this mob and one says he has seen his son’s cop's licence which advises them that they "are not required to obey any traffic regulation while driving their Police vehicle"!
Nothing about when in pursuit or going on an emergency call, just do what they like and don't bother setting an example to the driving public of how it should be done. Alan.

clean32

28th December 2008, 02:48 PM

Interesting reading, to me it shows how small some people’s worlds are.

I have driven in many places around the world, and have a number of different driver’s licenses.
it is very surprising how different road rules can differ from country to country and not just the little things either, EG Russia you give way when you are on a roundabout not like here where to give way to cars already on the round about. Or even closer to home NZ you give way at an intersection to the car opposite turning right if you are turning left. My point is that it pays to learn the local road rules. BUT in SA many countries licenses are not accepted or recognized even driver’s licenses that are from countries who are signatures to the international road rules agreement ( Australia is not). These people who have possibly already been driving for 20 years plus are required to not only sit the road rules test ( a good thing) but are also treated like a teenager complete with "P"plates and mandatory driving instruction period etc.
Now to an arrogant insular Aussie this may seem like a good thing, but I would like to point out that aussie roads are tame and on average aussie drivers are very unaggressive compared to most of the rest of the world add to that the mild weather and wonderful roads IE that translates to low skill
International Drivers license- there is no such thing, there is however an international drivers permit ( AA) this must be accompany your original drivers license. Now given that your a family Man or woman complete with kids and that you have been driving for over 20 years be subjected to a "P" plate ? Plus the time and the money? No its just easier to keep driving on your forren License it also means that cops tend to be a bit nicer ( let you off on minor things) after explaining your offence etc. Read any Expat forum.
Now am not saying this is correct I am saying that this is the way it is or so it is in SA due to the arrogant licensing laws.
OH just to add to that, there are a couple of counties where you can just trade in your DL for a SA one, no test no nothing, even though the road rules are quite different.
As for getting chewed out by a cop? So what, he didn’t take your DL, He didn’t expect you to hand over your weeks wagers in cash? He didn’t require you to attend court? He didn’t confiscate your car because he needed another one for his EX wife’s second husband’s grandmother?
NB its easier for an immigrant to get the DOLE in Australia than to get Medicare or a DL, something has to be wrong there.

clean32

28th December 2008, 02:59 PM

I have news for you, a lot of people who are out there don't have a licence. Despite being "permanent residents" required to have a local licence
many are driving on international licences which means they have never been tested on Australian Road Rules,

True
I know of many aussie expats in a few counties who have never bothered to get the Local license, worse they prefer to just pay the bribe. Aussies a bad for this.

many others have had their licences suspended or cancelled while others have never bothered to get one. (A recent fatal accident in Sydney witnessed by a member on this forum had a driver in the first group mentioned above.)

If this is the accident i think it is. This new to Australia person never held a license in there original country either.

To have a license suspended you must have had one in the first place.
An Australian court can not suspend or cancel a license from an other country

So in light of the above I applaud the Police actions of RBT stations, where they sometimes check every car driving a particular road and they get extra points from me for using new technology which identifies vehicles that are unregistered or the car's owner is identified as having outstanding warrants.

Agree. in many countries this is the only form of traffic policing

If it gets people off the road who shouldn't be there I think its great. Unfortunately those who have had their licence cancelled often ignore the fact and continue to drive. In fact I was involved in a case where this was exactly the situation. A driver had his licence suspended, continued to drive so had the licence formally cancelled and was banned from holding a licence for 5 years. He continued to drive and even drove to the the NSW Supreme Court where he was to appear on the charges and parked illegally outside Court in front of the Police who were there to prosecute him.

Diana
Then we should let Darwin have his way.

Panda

28th December 2008, 03:00 PM

I'm sure there was a reason the mods deleted Sprint's reference, hence why are you now quoting it?

That will soon be a big source of revenue - if the standard of spelling I see is any indication.

Oh, maybe not. The truckies will lose their licence pretty quickly at 3 points per offence.

What a stupid law (if actually policed). I can see the reasoning for it - if one assumes it is to prevent logbook fraud.

BTW, Sprint, calling the police "scum" as you did earlier (since deleted by a Mod) is unacceptable in my opinion. :mad:

Bigbjorn

28th December 2008, 03:05 PM

That will soon be a big source of revenue - if the standard of spelling I see is any indication.

Oh, maybe not. The truckies will lose their licence pretty quickly at 3 points per offence.

What a stupid law (if actually policed). I can see the reasoning for it - if one assumes it is to prevent logbook fraud.

BTW, Sprint, calling the police "scum" as you did earlier (since deleted by a Mod) is unacceptable in my opinion. :mad:

This is just one of many ways used by police and transport officers to harass truckies with minor "offences".
These always seemed to me during my gear jammer days to be purely ways to assert their authority. Little men with small minds in a position of power always seem to find ways to abuse that power. Victoria's Country Roads Board officers were far and away the most pedantic and the greatest harassers of truck owners and drivers. They expected drivers who could barely spell their own names and had minimum education and literary skills to produce paperwork like a senior clerk.

It really is a credit to truckies abilities to contain their temper that most of these officers lived long enough to retire.

tony

28th December 2008, 03:44 PM

Ummmmm......P38 IS a mod......a nice gentle warning I think you'd call that ;)

Ummmmmmmmmmm

yes we know that...

he had been warned his post had been moderated, what was the point of

bringing it up again?

tony

28th December 2008, 03:54 PM

This is just one of many ways used by police and transport officers to harass truckies with minor "offences".
These always seemed to me during my gear jammer days to be purely ways to assert their authority. Little men with small minds in a position of power always seem to find ways to abuse that power. Victoria's Country Roads Board officers were far and away the most pedantic and the greatest harassers of truck owners and drivers. They expected drivers who could barely spell their own names and had minimum education and literary skills to produce paperwork like a senior clerk.

It really is a credit to truckies abilities to contain their temper that most of these officers lived long enough to retire.

How true, but you'll never get many of the sheeple to see that point of view...trucks are like 4wheel drives there big so must be a danger...
another good mate of mine is an RTA heavy vehicle inspector, he is much the same as me, a spade is a spade and a shovel is something altogether different,
in the first few months on the job he had some real problems with coppers who were assisting the scalies wanting him to find fault with trucks were there were no faults....and in one particular case a coper had a line of prime mover and b doubles lined up so much so that it was a danger to other road useres

tony

28th December 2008, 04:02 PM

Well....he could have sent Sprint a PM warning him, but decided to warn him publicly instead.........

here we go again, I do wish people would r e a d whats written

the way I read P38's post was

that it was a by the way

I dont like what you said, and another mod has edited it

Not as you have suggested ....

I may be wrong Ron can you confirm is numptys missus correct in her interpretation of your post or am I

p38arover

28th December 2008, 04:11 PM

Ummmmmmmmmmm

yes we know that...

he had been warned his post had been moderated, what was the point of

bringing it up again?

I wasn't aware he'd been warned that his post had been moderated. I wasn't the one to edit the post. I saw the term in the post. I was about to edit it. When I looked again, it had been already changed by another Mod.

numpty

28th December 2008, 04:25 PM

Ahh, thankyou for clearing up the spelling issue.

And yes, I do hold a Heavy Rigid Licence, but as I drive emergency vehicles, and have done for 30 years, I do not require a logbook.

crump

28th December 2008, 04:26 PM

back on track, i just got home from Brissy on the bike, and I have to say I have never seen so many police on the road to Gympie,they were everywhere.:eek:Most noticeable was the bike cops, hardly ever see them normally and today there was one under every overpass with a radar.They also have lowered the speed limit from the end of the 110kmh zone from 100kmh to 90kmh right thru to the Gympie.Anyway, I didnt get a ticket and I made it home alive, so good on em!

Panda

28th December 2008, 05:24 PM

We just got back from Campbelltown & saw a copper with his radar ... good to hear you didn't get booked or have an accident. :)

back on track, i just got home from Brissy on the bike, and I have to say I have never seen so many police on the road to Gympie,they were everywhere.:eek:Most noticeable was the bike cops, hardly ever see them normally and today there was one under every overpass with a radar.They also have lowered the speed limit from the end of the 110kmh zone from 100kmh to 90kmh right thru to the Gympie.Anyway, I didnt get a ticket and I made it home alive, so good on em!

Panda

28th December 2008, 05:31 PM

Yes I realise that ... what I meant was the matter had already been dealt with, so what was the point in bringing it up again? Unless he further wanted to ensure people could see what he had originally put in his post, to further enflame a highly debatable subject

Ummmmm......P38 IS a mod......a nice gentle warning I think you'd call that ;)

Panda

28th December 2008, 05:52 PM

Sorry Numpty's Missus, I'm not after an argument. I've just got back from Campbelltown with my step daughter & saw what has been written whilst we were away.

Just to clarify ...

Tony has his own laptop & his own user name ... he also has his own brain & we don't "pair up". I don't type under Tony's user name, he sometimes uses my computer & hence will type using my name ... but he always indicates it is him by typing his name when he posts.

We don't always agree with each other, & when we don't we will argue the same as anyone else, and when we do agree, we will support each other the same as any one else. However, we are 2 separate people, with our own minds, ideas & opinions. Tony doesn't need me to post on his behalf, & neither do I.

Getting a bit more on track ... I don't quite see what it has to do with you in the first place.
The post was not directed at you, but rather asking a question of someone else. :wasntme:

Maybe the heat is getting to everyone!

Like you are now doing....I went thru it with Tony...or was that you logged in as Tony (seeing as you share the same computer and admit you don't always log off.....)

EchiDna

28th December 2008, 06:32 PM

...
Originally Posted by EchiDna https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/69687-look-out-all-coppers-road-9.html#post878415)
I (and many others on here) can fix almost everything in my car if I have the equipment needed... and no mechanics licence to say I can and I don't have to prove it to anyone that I have (or not) the ability to (for example) install a drive shaft.

Mate it never fails to amaze me how people can take things so personally on an Internet forum...I don't care if you're the worlds greatest spanner swinger in the universe, the LAW says you must be LICENSED to work on a motor vehicle that is not yours... so if you put a spanner on a vehicle that doesn't belong to you for any type of reward you would be breaking the law.....and as for removing nuts and bolts (4 each end on a drive shaft) they have trained dolphins to plant and remove sea mines and monkeys to fly space craft so changing a drive shaft is not up there with rocket science...

ah sorry mate I think you are drawing a long bow on my behalf there... I didn't take it personally, I just thought it was weird to say someone must have a licence to work on a car, when obviously I (or anyone else) can work on my own car without a licence... of course I've helped friends work on their own carsat times but never done it for $$$, beer etc... only to help out a mate, nothing more.

Panda

28th December 2008, 06:41 PM

Sounds like a plan! :)

me neither, but if you saw what was written did you really need to ask again.
No more need be said. It's been explained adequately I think.

Shall we move on? ;)

JDNSW

28th December 2008, 08:18 PM

maybe not deaths JD,,
but accidents?

I reckon they contribute to accidents.

I am sure they do - although there is little evidence to support it - but there are a whole host of other factors that make a bigger contribution.

John

UncleHo

28th December 2008, 08:22 PM

303gunner

29th December 2008, 03:00 AM

I think it was the NSW NRMA a couple of years ago that did a survey, and 80% of respondents felt that they were "Above Average" drivers.

Statistics and surveys are funny things and you can take them in different ways (maybe only the better drivers responded to the survey), but I think it would be fair to say that many people personally believe that they are a safe driver and an accident involving them is most likely to be the fault of some other "Moron" on the road.:wasntme:

If you think about it, I'd rather be sharing the road with the 20% who say they are below average drivers, because they are honest enough to acknowledge their lack of skills and take that into account when driving, or they misrate their abilities and are actually quite competent, but are more cautious.

p38arover

29th December 2008, 06:11 AM

If you think about it, I'd rather be sharing the road with the 20% who say they are below average drivers, because they are honest enough to acknowledge their lack of skills and take that into account when driving, or they misrate their abilities and are actually quite competent, but are more cautious.

Then there are those who are so bloody cautious that they are a menace in that they frustrate other drivers into making rash moves.

It's rare that one sees these pulled over but I have seen it done.

Bigbjorn

29th December 2008, 07:18 AM

UncleHo

29th December 2008, 09:05 AM

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

I was informed that Morayfield Rd was in a similar state :(
Muddy would know more as he was in it, took 3 hrs to get up to my area.

cheers

Panda

29th December 2008, 09:25 AM

I think this is a very valid point Ron. Not only can they be a menace to other drivers, but they seem to lack the confidence to drive safely.

Then there are those who are so bloody cautious that they are a menace in that they frustrate other drivers into making rash moves.

It's rare that one sees these pulled over but I have seen it done.

Panda

29th December 2008, 09:39 AM

I certainly don't rate myself as an "above average" driver. May have some years ago, when I used to drive more. It's my personal experience, that the more you drive, the better your driving ability. If you don't drive for a reasonable period of time, you lose some judgment capabilities.

Also, driving on the same patch of road, with little variance seems to hamper driving ability & judgment. People generally who only drive the same patch, ie. taking the kids to school, or driving to & from work but nowhere else, lack the skill & confidence when they are faced with driving unfamiliar territory when they go on holidays once a year, for example.

I think Tony's a far better driver than I am, simply for the reason he has better judgment on the road. Probably comes from the fact that he's spent a great deal of his life driving in different circumstances & road conditions, in far more varied vehicles - as a mechanic driving various vehicles, in the Army driving various 4WD's, trucks, motor bikes, etc, in different countries, in itself exposing him to a far wider range of driving circumstances, experiences, etc.

Regarding overly cautious drivers - I'd rather drive with someone who has the experience & confidence to tackle difficult situations, if they should arise, than someone who exudes an air of over caution, coupled with lack of confidence.

I think it was the NSW NRMA a couple of years ago that did a survey, and 80% of respondents felt that they were "Above Average" drivers.

Statistics and surveys are funny things and you can take them in different ways (maybe only the better drivers responded to the survey), but I think it would be fair to say that many people personally believe that they are a safe driver and an accident involving them is most likely to be the fault of some other "Moron" on the road.:wasntme:

If you think about it, I'd rather be sharing the road with the 20% who say they are below average drivers, because they are honest enough to acknowledge their lack of skills and take that into account when driving, or they misrate their abilities and are actually quite competent, but are more cautious.

Bigbjorn

29th December 2008, 09:43 AM

Not true Brian
I drive that stretch of the hwy thru Caboolture/Burpengary almost every weekend to go to work
SUre the traffic is heavy but only on public hols, ends of hols and special events is it a parking lot
Oh and if there is an accident or a bushfire or the police have the road closed for some reason....and....and.......:D:D:D:D

And roadworks, and roadworks, and roadworks

Bushie

29th December 2008, 12:04 PM

Ahh, thankyou for clearing up the spelling issue.

And yes, I do hold a Heavy Rigid Licence, but as I drive emergency vehicles, and have done for 30 years, I do not require a logbook.

Hope its all been sorted out (not that it would probably worry you on Hamilton) but the latest legislation removed ALL exemptions for local/state/fed government drivers.

Martyn

numpty

29th December 2008, 12:27 PM

Hope its all been sorted out (not that it would probably worry you on Hamilton) but the latest legislation removed ALL exemptions for local/state/fed government drivers.

Martyn

Might have to do some digging then, as these things should be passed down from the Senior Management.

Sprint

29th December 2008, 12:39 PM

Might have to do some digging then, as these things should be passed down from the Senior Management.

arent you ever the optimist!

crump

29th December 2008, 09:06 PM

G'day Crump :)

Did you do a Brissie run on the "new" Guzzi ? how did it go, and was it a comfortable machine :)

I hear that the M1 northbound on Sat AM was a parking lot from Pine River Bridge to Nth of Caboolture :(

cheers
Hey Uncle H, no I didnt ride the new machine home,(although I was on a "Goose") only from Toowoomba to Petrie,its going to live there for a few months,:eek:But yeh, quite comfy, I love it.Traffic north on Sunday morning was flowing well.

Marika

10th March 2009, 09:55 PM

LOLz you Guys are a bunch of Laughs
ill watch out for you in cambletown and we will have a laugh
You crack me up Good on you Mates its always fun
I enjoy this site
keep well and lets all get together in Kernel 4wd park
one weekend ok

Marika

10th March 2009, 11:17 PM

Yea, I feel for the coppers having to work over Christmas, by & large they do a good job & I for one certainly wouldn't have the patience to deal with the general public in their situation. It amazes me these cops shows you see from New Zealand (I think), whereby the wrongdoers, shall we say, always try to get out of it & deny total responsibility. There are so many total ******* out there. I seriously couldn't deal with them. So they have my admiration for that aspect alone.

I also don't envy the poor coppers having to attend bad accidents, must be bloody awful. And, despite years of experience etc, must be very hard to switch off at the end of a bad shift & be "normal". And I reckon I have bad days! :o Nothing to what they have to contend with.

Driving back from Campbelltown, there were 3 coppers standing next to their police car, took one look at me in the Series III, & I swear their heads nearly swivelled off their necks. I'm sure they were tossing up whether to follow me & pull me over. I wasn't speeding or anything, so I wasn't worried, just amused! :D

Thankfully I rarely drink & certainly don't drink & drive, so that never worries me. And as far as speeding goes, well, the Series III has enough problems getting up hills, so the only time I'm at risk of speeding is when she eventually gets wound up, or trying to get some speed going down hills before a whopper of a hill coming up, so I don't lose too much speed, or in a 60 or 80 zone. :D

In any case, it was just a reminder to watch yourselves & not do anything daft over the holiday period, like end up losing your licence, or worse still, having a bad accident & ending up in hospital or dead. (Subtle ain't I?) ;)

Panda the heads would have turned not to chase you but just to dream at your series three LOL I WANT ONE TOO
I have a ser 1 disco 86 Rangerover a series two disco now I want a ser three

clean32

11th March 2009, 12:23 AM

I do an massive amount of miles in a week and have done so for many years, mainly city but twice weekly trips out as well ,
I feely admit that I was a better driver at the age of 34 and doing 90 000 klm a year to now at the age of 44 dong 60 000 a year.
Most of those miles are done talking on a cell phone and as I don’t like hands free or blue tooth things ( for a number of reasons) I just use a plug in ear peace with a wire to the phone.
My biggest problem is creeping. Truck out of Adelaide at 2am for a 930am appointment in port Lincoln and at least 4-5 times on the trip I will be thinking “ the roads a bit ruff” look down at the Speedo and eyeball the needle hovering around anywhere from 150 – 180klm. (Ford Ranger 3ltr TD will wind off the clock auto)
Any way, last trip I cruised though port Augusta at high way speeds and got flashed at 4am. Of course the ticket arrives on the bosses desk so he decides to have a bit of a chat, now getting a lecture from some one only a few years off his P plates was a bit hard to take. So I fired off with the I will not be here for much longer with my creeping ill lose my license soon and that will be the end of it.
3 days latter the GM is down and he tosses me the keys for a Coon car only comment was “ it has cruise control” and I am thankful for that.
Second part. I am an unlucky driver. Not in the sense of having accidents but I see a lot and am often first there. Even last Saturday. kid and the misses off to the kids farm at Handoff? We decide to come back though birdwood and down the gorge ( boy is asleep and we get some chat time). Coming down the Gorge on one 180 curve I spot a bike down up against the Amco. Flashers on stop 30 yards down the road, run back up. To late, no vomit, no smell from behind, eyes to shiny ( dry) no pulse not in fetal position, another car stopped I asked the driver to also check for pulse. He tried his best but not his thing. ( do something even if its wrong) straitened the guy out started CPR but I did know it was useless, stopped lent over felt the pipes on the bike they were only Luke worm and the bike wasn’t making any noise like ting ting so I knew I was way over the 3 minutes and I was getting Knackered and no one else was going to help, its actually not an easy thing for most people to be able to do. Ambo turned up 30 minutes latter the cops and rescue. Filled the abo with what I had done. Gave the cop my card and got out of there.
Since Xmas that was my 3rd speed related death and the second time I had tried CPR unsuccessfully. Apart from the Bike none of them were what you would call excessive high way speed accidents but all of them were due to misjudgment or inattention, the extra speed just made it not painful but deadly

Panda

11th March 2009, 05:26 AM

Well they'll have to keep dreaming, 'cause I'll be driving my old girl to the grave!

Most people say they want one, until they actually have a drive in mine. They generally tend to change their minds pretty quickly after putting up with the noise, smell, heavy steering, lack of turning circle and dodgy suspension for a few clicks! :D

Years ago I broke down in George Street in the city (not a good place to break down!). There was no fuel coming from the line to the carbie, & luckily I had a spare fuel filter, so started to change it there & then. It was a bitch of a job & took me twice as long as a bloke would have as I'm not very mechanically minded, but eventually fixed it. Meanwhile, this bloke who was standing watching asked if I'd sell it to him for $10,000.00. :oI said laughing "sorry, she's not for sale at any price - it's a Rover thing, you wouldn't understand ...":lol2:

Panda the heads would have turned not to chase you but just to dream at your series three LOL I WANT ONE TOO
I have a ser 1 disco 86 Rangerover a series two disco now I want a ser three