Why so dear

[eckwalsh]

Hi Guys just wondering if anyone knows the answer to this.
I was looking at getting a dual cab 130 but couldn't justify the extra few thousand dollars as it comes with less options (traction control/abs, mag wheels) and is also a cab-chassie so there is an extra cost then to put a tray on it.The plan was to have a ute for the motor bikes, a custom back for my work stuff (electrical contractor) then a camping back that i could interchange. The extra approx $4000 before i even had any backs made. No one seems to be able to tell me why they are so dear considering there is less "stuff" on it. Admittedly it is 500mm longer but it should still be cheaper.So why is it dearer?
Regards:

eck

[Grover-98]

Supply and demmand?

[dmdigital]

Since when has car pricing ever made sense :confused:

It's no different to all the other reasoning that must go on within Land Rover...

They only import a few Defenders because demand is low so if you want something other than the colour they have in stock, you have to wait for it to come from the UK. So why not simply make available all the models from the UK or at least make the models available here the same spec and not a hybrid of the 110 or 130 range. Then you could order what you want every time.

[discowhite]

you could buy a yota and get a whole lot less for a whole lot more also!

cheers phil

[BilboBoggles]

Since when has car pricing ever made sense :confused:

It's no different to all the other reasoning that must go on within Land Rover...

They only import a few Defenders because demand is low so if you want something other than the colour they have in stock, you have to wait for it to come from the UK. So why not simply make available all the models from the UK or at least make the models available here the same spec and not a hybrid of the 110 or 130 range. Then you could order what you want every time.

Iv'e asked about this - One of the reasons is that each defender model that is brought into the country has to be made ADR compliant. Apparently quite a few minor changes are required - headlights/indicators and many other minor changes are made for Australia. And this is apparently quite a costly process. So rather than do this repeatedly for multiple models they only do it on the ones they choose.

[Xavie]

Pay the extra. it won't have so many problems:lol2:

Trust me!

[JDNSW]

As BilboBoggles says. Each model sold in Australia has to be certified as complying with ADRs. Even though most of the changes to meet these will be the same for the 110 and 130, the whole process has to be gone through for both. As far fewer 130s are sold, the cost of this is divided by the much smaller number to get that part of the cost, so the cost base for the 130 DC is probably higher than the 110 anyway. Then they have to decide what to price it at, only vaguely based on the cost. One factor will be what the competition is - and the 130 DC has no close competitors, and although the 110 does not have exactly direct competitors, it does have ones that are closer.

John

[dmdigital]

As BilboBoggles says. Each model sold in Australia has to be certified as complying with ADRs. Even though most of the changes to meet these will be the same for the 110 and 130, the whole process has to be gone through for both. As far fewer 130s are sold, the cost of this is divided by the much smaller number to get that part of the cost, so the cost base for the 130 DC is probably higher than the 110 anyway. Then they have to decide what to price it at, only vaguely based on the cost. One factor will be what the competition is - and the 130 DC has no close competitors, and although the 110 does not have exactly direct competitors, it does have ones that are closer.
Makes you wonder how Jeeps can be so cheap then?

Oh, wait a minute, I think that question answers itself.

[beforethevision]

Hi Guys just wondering if anyone knows the answer to this.
I was looking at getting a dual cab 130 but couldn't justify the extra few thousand dollars as it comes with less options (traction control/abs, mag wheels) and is also a cab-chassie so there is an extra cost then to put a tray on it.The plan was to have a ute for the motor bikes, a custom back for my work stuff (electrical contractor) then a camping back that i could interchange. The extra approx $4000 before i even had any backs made. No one seems to be able to tell me why they are so dear considering there is less "stuff" on it. Admittedly it is 500mm longer but it should still be cheaper.So why is it dearer?
Regards:

eck

I agree with your winge. Even if it just included ABS/TC and was a few thousand more again it would be fine. The dealer told me it was due the the GVM , and that "trucks only recently have added ABS". Apparently the 3050kg->3500kg difference is massive lol.

The lack of TC means that lockers add another few thousand dollars to reach (or maybe exceed) the capability of the 110.
So in reality, its $3k more for the DCPU, another few thousand for a custom tray, and another few thousand for lockers. It winds up being $10k more expensive. That makes it a haaaaard choice to justify.

Cheers!

[roverrescue]

Not sure where you are located but the dealer in Cairns called the other day (i must have given my number at some stage) wanting to offload a silver 130 for $51k drive away... I have no desire for a transit fender but it may factor nicely for you. I dont even know if thats a good price?

A 130 will never be as capable as a 110 in the tight stuff, locker or not - the rear spring rate and wheel base will ensure that. Buy a winch instead of lockers! But on the fast dirt getting there the 130 will out ride the 110 on the terrain. 17" makes a goodly difference on fast dirt.

Obviously building trays will cost bucks but it seems 1.8 by 1.8m trays come up pretty regularly in the papers?

I had hesitations about getting a 130 upgrading from a disco... there is no way I would ever go back to a disco/ranga or even 110 the DC with tray is the ultimate tool!

S

[eckwalsh]

Not sure where you are located but the dealer in Cairns called the other day (i must have given my number at some stage) wanting to offload a silver 130 for $51k drive away... I have no desire for a transit fender but it may factor nicely for you. I dont even know if thats a good price?

A 130 will never be as capable as a 110 in the tight stuff, locker or not - the rear spring rate and wheel base will ensure that. Buy a winch instead of lockers! But on the fast dirt getting there the 130 will out ride the 110 on the terrain. 17" makes a goodly difference on fast dirt.

Obviously building trays will cost bucks but it seems 1.8 by 1.8m trays come up pretty regularly in the papers?

I had hesitations about getting a 130 upgrading from a disco... there is no way I would ever go back to a disco/ranga or even 110 the DC with tray is the ultimate tool!

S
Im at Frederickton on the mid north coast of NSW.
I paid $51k for my puma 110 6mths ago. $53k was the best i could get on a 130. If i didnt already have my new puma i would seriously look at that 130.
Too late now but will look again in another 4 years.
Thanks tho.
Regards:
eck

[dullbird]

think ours was more like 56 on road don't know what your whinging about :D

[eckwalsh]

think ours was more like 56 on road don't know what your whinging about :D

Didn't realise i was whinging.
A number of people have asked why the DC130 is so much dearer. The dealers and sales staff dont know so i thought i would put it to some of our learned gentlemen and ladies on this forum just for some form of answer. The local dealer here said when you find out let him know. So im finding out. I'm very happy with what i have and what i paid.
Regards:
Eck

[4wd4fun]

Supply and demmand?

As quoted it is supply and demmand if a company imports 200 of one model and 20 of another they will be able to get the better deal on the supply of the larger order.
If you check Dual cabs in other brands and compare to wagen equvilent ie
Navara - Pathfinder or Hilux -Prado or Triton- Pajero you will find that the suspension under the Ute is Leaf spring solid axle set up which has been around since ohh say a Series 1 landrover :)(no offence) and they do not have traction control or abs etc and there wagon counterparts have Independent or muli link rear coil rear ends with all the fancy letters for what they have ABS ETC HDC Etc Etc.
So because people will pay for the dual cab basic suspension as they wont a 4 door Ute for work or Play they charge by demand.
At least the 130 has a similar set up to the 110 and it is brought in in limited numbers and you pay with regards to supply.
My thougts on the matter. :D
The salesmen would now the reasons but will not tell as they are there to sell positives on vehicles and they are tought to disregard negatives and change the conversation to positives to increase chance of sale.:eek:

[eckwalsh]

As quoted it is supply and demmand if a company imports 200 of one model and 20 of another they will be able to get the better deal on the supply of the larger order.
If you check Dual cabs in other brands and compare to wagen equvilent ie
Navara - Pathfinder or Hilux -Prado or Triton- Pajero you will find that the suspension under the Ute is Leaf spring solid axle set up which has been around since ohh say a Series 1 landrover :)(no offence) and they do not have traction control or abs etc and there wagon counterparts have Independent or muli link rear coil rear ends with all the fancy letters for what they have ABS ETC HDC Etc Etc.
So because people will pay for the dual cab basic suspension as they wont a 4 door Ute for work or Play they charge by demand.
At least the 130 has a similar set up to the 110 and it is brought in in limited numbers and you pay with regards to supply.
My thougts on the matter. :D
The salesmen would now the reasons but will not tell as they are there to sell positives on vehicles and they are tought to disregard negatives and change the conversation to positives to increase chance of sale.:eek:

Thanks very much for that. That is the basic answer i had come up with but thought there may have been some other extenuating reason.Thanks all for your inputs.
Regards:

Eck

[isuzurover]

A 130 will never be as capable as a 110 in the tight stuff, locker or not - the rear spring rate and wheel base will ensure that. Buy a winch instead of lockers! But on the fast dirt getting there the 130 will out ride the 110 on the terrain. 17" makes a goodly difference on fast dirt.

IME, 130s are usually much better when climbing of descending - thanks to the wheelbase. If you remove the inner coils when going offroad the back end flexes quite well. Sure, in the tight stuff you have a harder time, and have to do the odd 50-point turn...

[rick130]

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Sure, in the tight stuff you have a harder time, and have to do the odd 50-point turn...

Why I don't go near cities in the 130 :D


I was told once that 130's are built by LR Special Vehicles.
Camel Landy can confirm/deny that one. ;)

Also, there is more work in the 130.
For starters they take a perfectly good 110 chassis off the line and run the band saw through it, then add a new section with all the associated boxing to make it strong enough.

A classic cut and shut done at the factory :D

Worth the extra $$ they charge though.... ??

[dullbird]

Didn't realise i was whinging.
A number of people have asked why the DC130 is so much dearer. The dealers and sales staff dont know so i thought i would put it to some of our learned gentlemen and ladies on this forum just for some form of answer.
The local dealer here said when you find out let him know. So im finding out. I'm very happy with what i have and what i paid.
Regards:
Eck

It wasn't ment for you to take seriously;).........

[eckwalsh]

It wasn't ment for you to take seriously;).........

No worries. I didnt think your were but just wasnt 100% sure. Alls good. Its good to get a few points of view on this as i have been asked by many people why they are dearer and no-one really seemed to have an actual or factual answer just mostly speculation. A few points have come out that i never considered. Thanks again folks.
Regards:

Eck

[isuzubob]

So why not simply make available all the models from the UK or at least make the models available here the same spec and not a hybrid of the 110 or 130 range. Then you could order what you want every time.

At the Melb Motor Show back in March 2007 when the MY07 Defender was first shown here a display board showed the three versions to be available - 110 wagon, 130 DC and 90 (to special order). Haven't heard anything since:(


I agree with your winge. Even if it just included ABS/TC and was a few thousand more again it would be fine. The dealer told me it was due the the GVM , and that "trucks only recently have added ABS". Apparently the 3050kg->3500kg difference is massive lol.
Benz trucks were first available with ABS here from about 1982!

[isuzubob]

I was told once that 130's are built by LR Special Vehicles.


They were until demand became too great for SVO (which became LRSV in 1992) that 130's became line-built soon after the change to Defender which was announced in September 1990