IVECO Road Train Pic???

[isuzurover]

A mate works at IVECO Germany (Designs trucks).

I am trying to track down a picture of an Iveco road train (preferably the eurostar type - flat nose).

Does anyone have one??? We were looking out for one when travelling across OZ recently, but it was just the usual kenworth/western star/freightliner mix, with the occasional MAN and Volvo.

[p38arover]

Powerstar on Google

http://image46.webshots.com/46/0/17/4/382701704HWVGWM_ph.jpg
http://image46.webshots.com/46/0/17/4/382701704HWVGWM_ph.jpg

[p38arover]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/01/875.jpg

[p38arover]

http://www.thedieselgypsy.com/Iveco_6.JPG

[p38arover]

http://www.thedieselgypsy.com/Iveco_11.JPG

[isuzurover]

Thanks Ron, great pics!!! However the Powerstar is made in Brazil, so isn't as interesting for the guys at Iveco Germany.

That is why I am trying to get a pic of the German made eurostar as a road train:
http://www.km-trucks.com/pics/EuroStar%20440E40/images/440E40_JPG.jpg

[p38arover]

Sorry Ben, couldn't find any Eurostar road train pics

[BMKal]

Not very often you see a Eurostar pulling a road train from memory. Plenty of Powerstars, as in the photos above, but I can't say that I can ever remember seeing a Eurostar pulling a train.

Just had a look through my collection of photos of road trains & heavy haulage stuff -- but they're pretty much all pulled by proper trucks (macks & Kenworths). :p

[Bigbjorn]

The bonneted truck is actually an International. The cabover is a Magirus-Deutz. Both are badge engineered as Iveco as are Fiat trucks. Euro trucks are not popular in road train service. You do see a few Scania and Volvo and the occasional eccentric with an M.A.N. My observations of road train prime movers in recent years in order of popularity are 1-Kenworth, 2-Western Star, 3-Mack. The US power trains proved themselves in this market in the early '60's and have held it by performance and excellence.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yeah Real Aussie outback men don't drive pussy European trucks, they drive real cowboy American trucks! :D :D :D

All that aside I do think that road train operators like normal control rather than forward control. It has to do with the drivers position in relation to the steer and the fact that the length of a road train doesn't require the maximising of the loadspace as on European roads.

Although if you go to "B triples" (not quite road trains) you get these:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/01/873.jpg

[BMKal]

Yeah Real Aussie outback men don't drive pussy European trucks, they drive real cowboy American trucks! :D :D :D

All that aside I do think that road train operators like normal control rather than forward control. It has to do with the drivers position in relation to the steer and the fact that the length of a road train doesn't require the maximising of the loadspace as on European roads.

Not to mention the fact that it's a lot easier to go to the toilet from a bonneted truck, like a Kenworth. It's pretty common, at least in heavy haulage, for the driver to flick the cruise control on, open the door, hang onto the wheel with one hand, and step outside onto the step for a bit of quick relief. Try doing that out of a cab-over.

Not that I've ever been caught doing such a thing. :angel::angel:

[isuzurover]

Euro trucks are not popular in road train service. You do see a few Scania and Volvo and the occasional eccentric with an M.A.N. My observations of road train prime movers in recent years in order of popularity are 1-Kenworth, 2-Western Star, 3-Mack. The US power trains proved themselves in this market in the early '60's and have held it by performance and excellence.

That pretty much sums it up - except you forgot about Freightliner. On our 15000km recently (passed through every state except QLD and NT), the prime movers we saw were about 40% kenworth, 30% western star 20% freightliner, and the remainder mack, scania, volvo, Merc and MAN in about that order.

I am aware they aren't common, but there must be one or 2 that have been used as road train prime movers.

Iveco acquired Magirus-Deutz and International Trucks Australia.

[Vern]

Ben, i work at the Iveco Dandenong plant (contract electrician), i am doing shut down there at the moment, i will have a look around the offices and see what i can find for you. Found a good brochure on the Massif there, 3.0l 175 bhp king cab ute looked ok, just a pity the fronts a bit ugly.:)

[mcrover]

Bloody IVECO......:mad:

A mates Dad bought one a couple of years back, an 8 tonne ridgid with the 10 speed box.

It is great up to 5th and then you need to put it in neutral centre and in another movement move the stick neutral right and back to centre and then back to 1st.

This is great when it works, scarey when your doing 60 and it decides to select 1st and not 6th.

There are meant to be safetys built in but after 2 gear boxes and several computers they fitted a red and green LEDs on the dash to show what gate its in and it still stuffs up.

It is not all the time but I know it does it itself and it's not the driver as it has done it to me when I was driving it helping my mate move.

IVECO tell him each time it goes back that it is the only one doing it.:mad:

[isuzurover]

Ben, i work at the Iveco Dandenong plant (contract electrician), i am doing shut down there at the moment, i will have a look around the offices and see what i can find for you. Found a good brochure on the Massif there, 3.0l 175 bhp king cab ute looked ok, just a pity the fronts a bit ugly.:)

Cheers! That would be awesome!

So how much do they actually do there? Just the final assembly on trucks shipped from OS?

[Vern]

Full build, from building the chassis's, cabs etc...engines , gearboxes, diffs all get shipped in or built outside.
The chassis material come in (import i think) then goes through a chassis drilling machine, from then on it goes on production line and gets assembled, they do import some bare cabs which get fitted out along the assembly line. So yes they are fully assembled here, they just import some of the cabs.
Engines come in crates, will try gets some photo's for you, they'll only be 5meg from my phone though:(

[Quiggers]

an all time favorite website, have a dig around in there and you might find much.... addictive beware warning:D

Hank's Truck Pictures Web Site (http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/)

[Phil633]

Ben,

I work for an IVECO Dealer. I'll see what I can find.

[p38arover]

Jeez, Ben. You rattled a cage and out of the woodwork came Iveco people. (Please disregard the mixed metaphors there!)

[Phil633]

Thinking about it Ben, I don't think I will find a photo of a eurostar as a triple roadtrain as I believe they only had a 105 tonne max rating.

But I may be able to get a double Roadtrain.

Would you be interested in a Stralis?

[DiscoTDI]

Thinking about it Ben, I don't think I will find a photo of a eurostar as a triple roadtrain as I believe they only had a 105 tonne max rating.

But I may be able to get a double Roadtrain.

Would you be interested in a Stralis?

Not a legal one anyway;)

[p38arover]

Not that I've ever been caught doing such a thing. :angel::angel:

'Nuff said!

[Phil633]

Thanks Ron, great pics!!! However the Powerstar is made in Brazil, so isn't as interesting for the guys at Iveco Germany.

That is why I am trying to get a pic of the German made eurostar as a road train:


Actually Ben the Powerstar was designed in Dandenong, for the Southern hemispere. Then built in Australia and Brazil.

The cab is the Eurostar simply pushed back along the chassis and a bonnet added up front.

What Vern said about the building of the trucks is correct for the bulk of the trucks. There are a few fully imported Stralis the Eurocargo's are fully imported and the Dailys.

[isuzurover]

Thinking about it Ben, I don't think I will find a photo of a eurostar as a triple roadtrain as I believe they only had a 105 tonne max rating.

But I may be able to get a double Roadtrain.

Would you be interested in a Stralis?

Stralis would be fine also!!!

[Bigbjorn]

Freightliners are usually seen pulling b-doubles on line haul, not road trains in the north & west. Freightliner's creed, at least before becoming part of Daimler-Benz, was low tare weight. They used lots of aluminium and high tensile steel components to reduce tare weight often at the expense of relaibility and durability. The very low tare Freightliners beloved of North American operators simply did not withstand the stresses of Australian operations and a more conservative philosophy was required to successfully enter the Australian market.

Heavy truck operators favour normal control trucks over high cabover trucks because of the far better ride from the longer wheelbase and lower driver position. These give less driver movement both vertically and in the arc of pitch. Maintenance is also perceived as being easier with an engine that sits up on its own with the bonnet open. Radiator frontal area can be greater with a normal control design as the width restrictions of a cabover do impose limitations in this area. you have to fit a driver in alongside the radiator.

Fiat do make some very nice diesel engines that find their was into trucks. Fiat do not seem to be able to successfully make the rest of the truck (or car) though.

[Phil633]

This a Stralis as a Triple roadtrain

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/01/840.jpg

[Phil633]

This is a Stralis as a B Triple

http://www.aulro.com/app/data/500/CEVABTriple.jpg

[Phil633]

This a Stralis as a Double Roadtrain

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/01/838.jpg

[isuzurover]

THANKS PHIL!!!! :twobeers:

[roversmith]

Freightliners are usually seen pulling b-doubles on line haul, not road trains in the north & west. Freightliner's creed, at least before becoming part of Daimler-Benz, was low tare weight. They used lots of aluminium and high tensile steel components to reduce tare weight often at the expense of relaibility and durability. The very low tare Freightliners beloved of North American operators simply did not withstand the stresses of Australian operations and a more conservative philosophy was required to successfully enter the Australian market.

Heavy truck operators favour normal control trucks over high cabover trucks because of the far better ride from the longer wheelbase and lower driver position. These give less driver movement both vertically and in the arc of pitch. Maintenance is also perceived as being easier with an engine that sits up on its own with the bonnet open. Radiator frontal area can be greater with a normal control design as the width restrictions of a cabover do impose limitations in this area. you have to fit a driver in alongside the radiator.

Fiat do make some very nice diesel engines that find their was into trucks. Fiat do not seem to be able to successfully make the rest of the truck (or car) though.


Brian you are correct when you say freightliners have very good tare, a lot of the cab design is similar to aircraft construction. this is 90 ton rated tares in at 8.8 600 hp, lift it with one hand



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/01/834.jpg

Just needs some TLC.

[DiscoTDI]

Freightliners are usually seen pulling b-doubles on line haul, not road trains in the north & west. Freightliner's creed, at least before becoming part of Daimler-Benz, was low tare weight. They used lots of aluminium and high tensile steel components to reduce tare weight often at the expense of relaibility and durability. The very low tare Freightliners beloved of North American operators simply did not withstand the stresses of Australian operations and a more conservative philosophy was required to successfully enter the Australian market.

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I had a frightliner on the fleet I ran at one stage, most of the interior was held together with super glue:D, unfortunately we had it running a road train configuration:(

[Slunnie]

Heavy truck operators favour normal control trucks over high cabover trucks because of the far better ride from the longer wheelbase and lower driver position. These give less driver movement both vertically and in the arc of pitch. Maintenance is also perceived as being easier with an engine that sits up on its own with the bonnet open. Radiator frontal area can be greater with a normal control design as the width restrictions of a cabover do impose limitations in this area. you have to fit a driver in alongside the radiator.
I don't have a MC licence, but I would have also thought that the bonneted trucks would also have twice the range that the cab overs have from carrying twice the number of fuel tanks between the front and middle axles.

[DiscoTDI]

I don't have a MC licence, but I would have also thought that the bonneted trucks would also have twice the range that the cab overs have from carrying twice the number of fuel tanks between the front and middle axles.


Companies prefer cab overs because they can have slightly more load space in a b double configuration

[Slunnie]

Companies prefer cab overs because they can have slightly more load space in a b double configuration
Ahhh, a slightly different point but thanks.

[TerryO]

Bump

[mick88]

A local company here "McGlashans Transport" (now part of Scotts Transport) ran several cab-over V8 Iveco's as B-Doubles for many years as part of their fleet. A mate used to drive for them and I went along for the ride many a time. He had previously driven road trains in western Queensland for McIver Bro's Transport and Barcoo Transport which were mostly Kenworths, Western Stars, Mac's etc which were all long nosed prime movers. He reckons the cab-over Ivecos were good to drive, especially in the city, however the ride was a little rougher sitting on top of the front axle.




Cheers, Mick.