toyota and biodiesel

[Sprint]

gossip is going around that toyota are putting some serious effort into investigating common rail injection warranty claims, and are refusing warranty payouts on any vehicle found to have biodiesel in its system......

so much for technology......

[Psimpson7]

Seems fair to me......

[hoadie72]

Have Toyota stated anywhere that you're not to run biodiesel in their vehicles?

[seano87]

Have Toyota stated anywhere that you're not to run biodiesel in their vehicles?

From the Toyota website under Warranty FAQ's re: fuel...

"Quote:


Can I use Biodiesel Fuel Blends in my Toyota? (http://www.toyota.com.au/faqs's=41#) Toyota and its Fuel Injection Equipment suppliers encourage the future development of fuels based on renewable energy sources.
However, with regards to biodiesel fuels, there are no mandated Standards as currently apply to mainstream fuels.
Toyota will endorse biodiesel fuel blends using FAME (Fatty Acid Methyl Esters that comply with either EN14214 or ASTM D6751 standards) of up to 5% volume concentration when mixed with conventional diesel fuel. The final product B5 (5% Biodiesel blend) at the pump must conform to the national Diesel Fuel Standard which is based on EN590.
In the absence of biodiesel fuel standards and due to the many variations of biodiesel fuel blends under production in our market, such as B20 & B30 (biodiesel blend 20% & 30%) Toyota is not in a position to evaluate the long term effect that these varied biodiesel fuel blends will have on engine overall performance, fuel injection equipment durability, fuel economy and exhaust emission compliance.
Accordingly, Toyota cannot recommend concentration of biodiesel fuel blends greater than 5% volume as mentioned above.
This statement is provided to inform Toyota owners of Toyota's position with regard to the use of biodiesel fuels in its products and also serves to confirm that Toyota New Vehicle Warranty will not apply to any failures that are attributable to the use of such fuels.

End Quote"

So yes, they can deny it if failure is attributable to use of bio, and if the concentration is greater than 5% if I am interpreting that correctly.

[hoadie72]

So that means they'd have to prove it was biodiesel that caused the problem. Would a dealer have the capability to test fuel to prove it was biodiesel?

[Sprint]

afaik fuel samples are getting sent back to toyota for testing

bit disappointing considering this also affects landcruiser and hilux utes..... common on farms, and courtesy of the new tech common rail diesels, gone are the days when the farmers faithfull tojo would almost run on any liquid that would burn......

[garryc]

Went through the same with Land Rover for my D3. The handbook says 'not suitable for bio-diesel'. We did get a letter from LR stating 5% blend was OK. I did talk to SAFF and they said their bio exceeded Australian standards but their Premium Diesel is up to 20%. Had a guy give a talk at our club and he has been making his own bio for about 6 years and hasn't had any problems. His latest vehicle is a Nissan with common rail and it works OK in that.

[PAT303]

Toyota are no doubt getting burnt by all the warranty claims for engine knock and faulty injectors so are looking for a way out.Toyota people are very hush hush about problems but too many recalls,faults are causing the persona to wear off. Pat

[Blknight.aus]

afaik fuel samples are getting sent back to toyota for testing

bit disappointing considering this also affects landcruiser and hilux utes..... common on farms, and courtesy of the new tech common rail diesels, gone are the days when the farmers faithfull tojo would almost run on any liquid that would burn......

you now know why I drive fozzy.....

FWIW.... my rule of thumb for yep, it'll go and work and not give problems.

Series diesel, anything this side of sweet light crude to avtur.

TDI/derivitive biodiesel in up to 80%, 100% if your ambient temp is over 20 deg

TD5 or later, ULSD type fuels only, (which thanks to legislative busy bodies is all you can now buy at the pump)

[Sprint]

you now know why I drive fozzy.....

FWIW.... my rule of thumb for yep, it'll go and work and not give problems.

Series diesel, anything this side of sweet light crude to avtur.

TDI/derivitive biodiesel in up to 80%, 100% if your ambient temp is over 20 deg

TD5 or later, ULSD type fuels only, (which thanks to legislative busy bodies is all you can now buy at the pump)

what about an isuzu?

[Blknight.aus]

as per TDi, its got the same injector pressures. Although Im keen to believe that it should also run well on cleaned up WVO youd want to have damn good filtration on board.

[Tombie]

Actually a manufacturers warranty CAN be refused if the 6 month statutory warranty has lapsed...

Manufacturers can refuse any claim after this point as the warranty past the legislated 6 months (new) 3 months (2nd hand) period has lapsed.

So if it was within these periods they would have to prove it..
Outside of this - well... Good luck....

BTW - They dont have to prove it was responsible, just that it was used against their advice.