What was he thinking?

[Dorko]

Well, last weekend my mates and i went 4WDing to Pipidinny. We had a absolute blast unlike this idiot!

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Well... Let me explain. This guy "Ted" thought a Prado could fit down a small narrow part of the beach. It was so clear that only a quad bike could make it as the beach just got narrower. Anyway the beach won! Prado zero. :o

The bummer thing was no one would snatch him (including me), as we were worried our cars would fall down the 1.5M drop. His G.F was so mad that i took the pictures, but i did tell her it was for research! :p

Anyway this guy could of got out, if he slowly reversed. (Atleast this was my option) however he was scared to roll it. At the end of the day the beach was going to claim it, one way or the other.

My mates wanted to go home, so we left him there... i wonder if he got out? :angel:

Any one no this guy?

Dorko

[tasi devil]

it's only a Prado, who gives a .... :twisted:

...............tasi

[Dorko]

HAHAHAHAHA :clap2:

Dorko

[dullbird]

did no one have a winch?

he is an idot for putting himself in that situation......but If I had a winch or could of joined some long straps I would of pulled him out.

You learn by your mistakes, I always think treat others how you would like to be treated

[V8Landy]

Only a prado but he was stuck as we all have been. Maybe he was stupid for driving there or maybe it was inexperience. I don't leave anybody stuck if i can help it. Could you have joined a few snatch straps together to help him out???. I have had to walk out of a few places in my learning curve to get help and have been refused, Fair enough maybe i should have known better but i didn't. I just think the four wheel drive community should stick together.
My thoughts only and am not meaning to have a shot at you i am sure you had your reasons(He may of been a real ******).

[Dorko]

Yeh, don't get me wrong, we tried to help.... We stayed there for 2 hours. But we didnt really want to snatch him, because of the position and angle of his prado. It was so close to rolling over. I wasnt going to have my car damaged in the attempt to save his. It would of pulled my car down with him. And the guy was a bit of a ******... he didnt want to admit he stuffed up and he didnt want to jump back in the car to reverse out, just incase it rolled. He wanted to snatch without him sitting behind the wheel. Really WTF? who was going to hold the steering wheel. :eek:

and lastly.... to get my or my mates 4WD down to where he was, would put us in the same position.

Plus to make it worst, he didnt have any recovery gear of his own, no snatch points.

We did offer to take him and his girl friend to get some help. Which we did, but no recovery service was available. He did however ask this 4WD Nissan club for help... they drove down to have a look, but they just gave him **** and took photos then drove off.

It was his choice not to atleast try to reverse... so i wasnt going to hang around any longer on my weekend.

You guys might call me a bastard, but only so much you can help someone. He needed to make a decision instead of just looking at the car.

Dorko

[rangieman]

Sorry even if he was a idiot you dont leave anyone stranded :cool:

[Dorko]

Sorry even if he was a idiot you dont leave anyone stranded :cool:

Yeah thats fair enough... but i did offer to take him back to Yachnep for some proper recover help. He wanted to stay with the car...

At the end of the day his choices put him there. I offered the help with out putting me or my car in danger/damage. The last thing i wanted was to be attached to his car if it rolled. He might sue me for damages.... I'm not putting my self in that situation.

I guess if you got $65k to throw around buying a new 4WD trying to save someone else... you must have more money than brains....

This situation wasnt a simple snatch... it had huge risks involved in all angles.

But i do respect what you are saying... :)

Dorko

[dullbird]

Yeh, don't get me wrong, we tried to help.... We stayed there for 2 hours.
But we didnt really want to snatch him, because of the position and angle of his prado. It was so close to rolling over. I wasnt going to have my car damaged in the attempt to save his. It would of pulled my car down with him. And the guy was a bit of a ******... he didnt want to admit he stuffed up and he didnt want to jump back in the car to reverse out, just incase it rolled. He wanted to snatch without him sitting behind the wheel. Really WTF? who was going to hold the steering wheel. :eek:

and lastly.... to get my or my mates 4WD down to where he was, would put us in the same position.

Plus to make it worst, he didnt have any recovery gear of his own, no snatch points.

We did offer to take him and his girl friend to get some help. Which we did, but no recovery service was available. He did however ask this 4WD Nissan club for help... they drove down to have a look, but they just gave him **** and took photos then drove off.

It was his choice not to atleast try to reverse... so i wasnt going to hang around any longer on my weekend.

You guys might call me a bastard, but only so much you can help someone. He needed to make a decision instead of just looking at the car.

Dorko

If there was more than one car in your party you could of used another car to anchor yours.......the picture obviously doesn't show the severity of the position the car was in (which is usually the case)...as it well to me anyway doesn't look that bad! yes he has dropped a front wheel off the edge slightly....but looking at your first picture he still has 3 very well planted wheels with room to move on the rear left from the edge.....

it certainly doesn't look like it is going over

In saying that if the guy was being a ****** I could see why you walked away...

Its only my opinion that I would of stayed, as long as I wasn't committed to going somewhere else

[V8Landy]

Yeah thats fair enough... but i did offer to take him back to Yachnep for some proper recover help. He wanted to stay with the car...

At the end of the day his choices put him there. I offered the help with out putting me or my car in danger/damage. The last thing i wanted was to be attached to his car if it rolled. He might sue me for damages.... I'm not putting my self in that situation.

I guess if you got $65k to throw around buying a new 4WD trying to save someone else... you must have more money than brains....

This situation wasnt a simple snatch... it had huge risks involved in all angles.

But i do respect what you are saying... :)

Dorko

Well it sounds like you did what you could he can't ask for any more than that and he does sound like a ******(toyo drivers are:p). As you say his decisions put him there as other 4wd's had a look and decided the same as you i would say you made the right decision. I would'nt put my car at risk if it was to risky. WTF was he thinking not sitting behind the wheel:eek:

[dullbird]

maybe you should of asked his girlfriend to get in.........would of made him look like a fairy if she said yes:lol2:

[V8Landy]

maybe you should of asked his girlfriend to get in.........would of made him look like a fairy if she said yes:lol2:

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Roll ing::Rolling::Rolling:

[Dorko]

Yep agree.... the pictures dont do it justice.... as me and my mates wanted to do, was he gets in and we gently push and reverse out. But he didnt want to get in the car! :mad:

Neither my mates or me were going to get in just incase it did give way and rolled, then we would get blamed.

As this went on and on.... the car was getting worst because the tide was coming in and the sand was breaking away.

Dorko

[Dorko]

HAHAHHAHA :lol2:

[dullbird]

Yeah well it sounds like you could do all you did mate!...I say above that I would of stayed but if he really was being as uncoperative as that then maybe I would of done the same as you.......You can only help people so much but they do also have to be able to help themselves

[Dorko]

Cant argue with that :cool:

[Bigmark]

Sounds like an idiot, i have come across something similar and as a precaution we dug down under the left front and rear wheels so it leaned away from the beach, then snatched it out and it kept it from going over as more weight was always to the dune side- we kept digging as required, to keep the angle right.

[Panda]

I find it hard to believe that with all the people involved in this recovery, as least one person could have come up with a workable solution ???????

[87County]

..........we dug down under the left front and rear wheels so it leaned away from the beach, then snatched it out and it kept it from going over as more weight was always to the dune side- we kept digging as required, to keep the angle right.


... sound like the logical procedure in this type of situation :)

... oh, and....

.... even helping fools presumably does something for your karma....

[Dorko]

These were all the solutions we came up with:

1. reverse slowly
2. go forward into the dune, and then reverse back out.
3. snatch (this got crossed out- as it was too dangerous for the cars involved and there was no safe snatch points)
4. use the maxtrax under the front wheel and back right wheel
5.Hack at the side wall, about 1.5m in front of the car, and drive forward down on the beach. (Most he would lose was a front bumper)
6. Leave the car, and go get so proper recovery help ( Attempted that)
7. Dig on the back left and front left wheel to drop the car. (Attempted that, however then the car was sitting on the diff and the rest of the car was flat belly to the sand. (Option no good)
8. Then with option 7. not working. It looked better just to reverse atleast 3 tires where on the sand. (He wouldnt try.)
9. Wait there and hope for the best (Seems to be his favourite option)
10. Offered to drive them back to Joondalup, one the way home and where they lived, to organise help. (Denied)

I'm pretty sure we thought of most things... however he needed to make the choice. It wasnt our car, so its easy for us to say reverse or drive down the 1.5m drop and lose a bumper.

I honesty thought option 7 would work with option 8 involved. But he was a pussy and dug like a girl. Made my mate angry at this point because you could see he didnt want to dig his own car out of trouble and wanted us to do it for him.

Dorko

[tony]

Wasn't there, so really can't comment on this situation but ....and its a big but... that depends on the owner of the stuck vehicles full cooperation, I would never leave a vehicle stuck on the beach or in the bush weather i know them or not...

not having a dig at you but its not something I would do....

If as it appearers in this case the owner was very in experienced I would have tried to explain fully all the options open to him, including me driving his vehicle and hopefully reached a satisfying and vehicle un-stuck conclusion

T

I have just read the above and I sound like a pompas rectum....so in answer to the post in Tony speak no you should never leave someone stuck....it might be you one day

[Dorko]

Yeh i dont feel bad, my karma is still good.:cool:
We did as much as possible, but he needed to choose what he want to do. We couldnt even get him in his car, let alone reverse it.

And dont get me wrong... we explain to him by 1800hrs that car was going to be claimed by the ocean. The tide was rising and coming in very quick. :eek:

There was plenty of people there that day, and no doubt that the Nissan club could of help. Instead the laugh, took pictures and drove off. So my Karma, is just fine compared to them.

Never no, he might of grow some balls, or his g.f just jumped in and reverse. Who knows..... :angel:

Dorko

[Cap]

I cant comment as I wasnt there, but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Obviously the owner (horse) didnt want to be helped...

[Dorko]

HAHAHAHA thats a good way to some it up

Dorko

[werdan]

I find it hard to believe that with all the people involved in this recovery, as least one person could have come up with a workable solution ???????

Abandoning a Toyo to the incoming tide isn't a workable solution? :twisted:

[scarry]

Tojo driver,what can you say:lol2:


I must admit i did something similar on the south end of Moreton island,but the tide was going out,still it frightened the **** out of me.The drop off was only about 2 ft on the sea side of the TD5 i still have.

I started to reverse,and the car pulled towards the drop off,and had it slid over the drop off would have rolled for sure i had to back down the drop off,into the sea,and with tyre pressures already at 18 psi,and in low range,managed to turn around & go back the way i came.

Yes i was very lucky,the sand was very soft ,and stupid to continue along that part of the beach........are but the fun of 4wding.

No help,just a screaming wife:)

[Dorko]

LOL.... i atleast you got out! :)

This guy was getting hammered by his GF.... she was like you are a dick head Ted, why didnt you stop when i told you....

I wonder if they are still together?

Hmmmm

Dorko

[p38arover]

So was it taken by the tide?

I have no problem with what you did. I would have got in and attempted to reverse it if I was the owner. (Seatbelt on and window wound up so my arm wouldn't be flung out if it rolled.)

Would it have rolled very far? Also there were lots of people to assist the driver out of the car in the event of a rollover.

[pop058]

I cant comment as I wasnt there, but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Obviously the owner (horse) didnt want to be helped...

but you can drown the bl#@dy thing though. I am not very 4WD savy as far as beach work goes and was not there. But obviously something (anything) needed to be done. If the owner was not going to committ to any of the many options suggested (whether they were doomed or not), then what can you do. I am in 2 minds as to whether I would have walked away or not as "mummies boy dumb a@#s" are one of the few things that frustrate me, but I would have definately taken the pics.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Dorko
You did the best you could in the situation.
Assuming you were in your new Freelander,not putting it down but it wouldnt be the best vehicle choice to try a snatch with in that situation.
If that vehicle did claimed by the ocean I would like to see him get a claim.
Pippidiny beach is closed to vehicles!!!!
City of Wanneroo dont let vehicles on their beaches,well atleast they didnt when I lived in Quinns Rocks and Guilderton.
First LEGAL 4x4 beach North of Perth is Wilbinga(Shire of GinGin)
Andrew

[p38arover]

Well, last weekend my mates and i went 4WDing to Pipidinny. We had a absolute blast unlike this idiot!



Pippidiny beach is closed to vehicles!!!!
City of Wanneroo dont let vehicles on their beaches,well atleast they didnt when I lived in Quinns Rocks and Guilderton.
First LEGAL 4x4 beach North of Perth is Wilbinga(Shire of GinGin)
Andrew

Umm, so Dorko was in the wrong, too? :confused:

[LandyAndy]

I think so Ron.
UNLESS the beach has been opened to 4x4s in the last 15 years.Its just on the edge of suburbia so I doubt it.
Andrew

[PAT303]

I'm with Dorko.I had to cut my holiday in the vic alps short once saving a prado owner,I towed him for 14 very long hours and he didn't even say thankyou.Wrecked my holiday,wrecked my snatch strap and used a tank of fuel,when the RACQ arrived they put him and his family into a hotel and they didn't even look back.I would help any one in need regardless who they are but if they act like those two I'll walk away. Pat

[Dorko]

I had no idea that Pipidinny was illegal to 4WD. :o Heaps of people go there, and the main access point is open like a 24/7 store.

I must google this. I like that place, great place to have a bbq and easy 4wding.

Dorko

[Gooner]

Im with you on this one mate.
I reckon your 1st responsibility is to yourself, your people and your truck. If you don't like the odds - walk away.
Same goes for the rescue - he needs your help, therefore the recovery is on your terms only. Its done your way or again - walk away.
He may well have learnt a harsh and expensive lesson. Listen to thy lady.

[p38arover]

Absolutely.

If it had gone pear-shaped and your vehicle was damaged, his insurance wouldn't have covered you. The insurance company wouldn't want to know you.

One would only continue to help if someone's life was in danger.

He has to take responsibility if he was unwilling to even try a recovery.

[Ricey]

Wasn't there, so really can't comment on this situation but ....and its a big but... that depends on the owner of the stuck vehicles full cooperation, I would never leave a vehicle stuck on the beach or in the bush weather i know them or not...

not having a dig at you but its not something I would do....

If as it appearers in this case the owner was very in experienced I would have tried to explain fully all the options open to him, including me driving his vehicle and hopefully reached a satisfying and vehicle un-stuck conclusion

T

I have just read the above and I sound like a pompas rectum....so in answer to the post in Tony speak no you should never leave someone stuck....it might be you one day

I can see this happening & knowing Tony & Panda reasonably well know that they'd take more time than mere mortals to get it out. Far more patience than what I'd have to tell the truth. Dorko has still gone above & beyond IMO what is reasonable when faced with this dill who drove like he had big balls but when put to the test was a whimpering twit.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Yeah thats fair enough... but i did offer to take him back to Yachnep for some proper recover help. He wanted to stay with the car...

At the end of the day his choices put him there. I offered the help with out putting me or my car in danger/damage. The last thing i wanted was to be attached to his car if it rolled. He might sue me for damages.... I'm not putting my self in that situation.

I guess if you got $65k to throw around buying a new 4WD trying to save someone else... you must have more money than brains....

This situation wasnt a simple snatch... it had huge risks involved in all angles.

But i do respect what you are saying... :)

Dorko

I do this stretch regularly and you see it all the time. I have had people, particularly in Toyotas, pull up somewhere we have stopped on the beach to fish etc, ask me what its like further up, tell them, "Dont go there mate, you get in trouble, its well soft with fresh tidal dump sand..." only to drive past later thru the dunes and see them stuck on the beach exactly where you told them not to go.
I have seen a brand new Sahara with the axles buried and the tide up to the windows because some weekend tosser warrior has taken the rest of his family for a spin up the beach to show them how much of... as it turned out... a tosser he was by going for a "quick splash" in the water only to sink in tide dump and have it bogged for good!

If I warn someone, its their decision not to listen and my decision not to help.

Anyone else, no problem, will do the best I can no matter what they drive.
Think thats more than fair........

[scarry]

I'm with Dorko.I had to cut my holiday in the vic alps short once saving a prado owner,I towed him for 14 very long hours and he didn't even say thankyou.Wrecked my holiday,wrecked my snatch strap and used a tank of fuel,when the RACQ arrived they put him and his family into a hotel and they didn't even look back.I would help any one in need regardless who they are but if they act like those two I'll walk away. Pat

Dont blame you,i know a guy who owns a property at orchid beach on Fraser island.Not very often he will help anyone if they are stuck anymore for 3 main reasons
1...They wont let their tyres down & have no idea what they are doing
2....they have nearly always been drinking
3...His mate got down to take the snatch strap off a vehicle,he had just recovered ,the vehicle rolled back and hit him in the head.He was dead before the careflight helicopter arrived.

[whitakerb]

i could swear i saw a prado floating in the ocean yesterday avo :wasntme:

cheers

[BMKal]

i could swear i saw a prado floating in the ocean yesterday avo :wasntme:

cheers

Barnett's new "low budget" shark patrol. :angel:

[HangOver]

in the pics theres a strap of some sort getting attached, what was the out come of that?

and yes Pipidinny is illegal to drive has been for years at least 5-6 that I know of. I was also told that the fine is $1000 per wheel but cant confirm that

[cockie55]

would some tracks (maxtracks or whatever) under down hill wheels in particular and slow reverse have worked???

[HangOver]

i could swear i saw a prado floating in the ocean yesterday avo :wasntme:cheers

I think I saw it too, it's amazing how much sewage there is in the ocean these days :angel:

[ATH]

He obviously thought he was better than he turned out to be and hopefully his girlfriend cut off his nooky supplies until he's got some sense between his ears.
Actually this thread has deeply hurt me, just because he's D*** HEAD it's no reason for you lot to heap abuse on all us dopey Tojo Prado owners. :(
Now stop it or I'll sulk.:D
Alan.

[mojo]

I've been stuck in pretty much exactly the same situation with our old Suzuki XL7 on Moreton - driving along the top of a 1 metre drop off, hit a rutt and got bounced a meter or so sideways, slam on the breaks with the front wheel right on the edge :eek: - the tide was also coming in and slowly taking the bank away, and the wife was close to tears at the though of losing our car! I tried reversing out a few times, but in addition to moving backwards the car would also move sideways, sliding closer to the drop off. The solution ended up being the same as the problem - SAND! It really is easy to move a fairly large amount of it in a pretty short time, so with the help of some other guys who had shown up I just dug some pretty deep tracks away from the drop off, and also built up a fair amount of sand around and underneath the front tire so it wasn't quite on the edge any more, then reversed out. The tracks we had dug were deep enough to stop the car sliding sideways as we reversed.

Gave the guys who helped a couple of beers, then away we went!:)

[Utemad]

A friend of mine was on a trip at Teewah Beach years ago and told me what had happened (had photos of the result).
The group of vehicles was driving on the dry sand beside a drop off like that after a storm. One vehicle (a Ford Explorer) got too close to the edge and hit the brakes which skidded him right up to the edge looking just like that Prado. However in his case the sand almost immediately gave way and the Explorer rolled over the edge and caved the roof in.

Everyone was ok and they managed to drive it back to Noosa like that.

[HangOver]

I just dug some pretty deep tracks away from the drop off, The tracks we had dug were deep enough to stop the car sliding sideways as we reversed.

Excellent solution !

[Dorko]

That was a good idea... i will keep that in mind, if i ever come among a person in that situation again. :angel:

Well, i heard from my mate that does voluntary work for the SES. They got called out and took them 5 hours to get it out. They had to use ropes, winches and snatches to hold the 4wd up. It was very near roll over and had support arms holding it up.

The bumpers got damaged on the side and the roof got dented as the support arms hand to go through the window.

He said pictures were taken, not by him. He said he will try and source them out and share :D

Also even he said what a knob he was, as he said he just stood back and let them do all the work and didnt even buy them a carton. (Now thats Jack :twisted:)


Dorko

[LandyAndy]

Just looked at the Wanneroo Shire homepage,DEFINATELY A NO GO AREA.
No off-road vehicles on the foreshore in all of the Wanneroo Shire.They list Lancelin/Wedge (GinGin Shire)as the closest so perhaps Wilbinga is now also closed???? SHAME IF IT IS,awsome area,first learnt to play with Landrovers there in a Ser2 shorty:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
http://www.wanneroo.wa.gov.au/cproot/290/3/OffRoad_DL071.pdf
Andrew

[Dorko]

Well i was told (but still need to check) that it use to be illegal to 4wd in Pipidinny, however that was because the water corporation land was there and you had to cross it to get to Pipidinny 4wd area. But now that Marmion is open and you can access it directly from Pipidinny road its now legal as long as you dont cross the fence area near the water corp.

But i will confirm this, once i get a spare minute at work.

Dorko

[HangOver]

You'll probably find they have it a no-go zone saying its conservation, then in a few years times they'll bulldoze the area and sell the blocks at 500k a piece. :mad: Thats exactly what they done at Burns Beach.

[LandyAndy]

Pretty clear in the Wanneroo PDF,no 4x4s or off-road vehicles on the foreshores in the City of Wanneroo.
Shame,lots of nice 4x4 beaches there.
Yes I know because I lived up there,Quinns Rocks and Woodridge Estate(Guilderton).
Got two OFFICIAL warnings with no charge from Rangers.They said 3rd strike and we throw the book at you.
I was only there to fish/swim which they were happy with.All banned due to clowns cutting up destroying the environment.
Andrew

[DirtyDawg]

He woulda ****ed me off to...........enjoy the walk mate or drive the ****er out.......turn towards the ocean and gun it...;) Oh what a feeling Toymota

[Dorko]

:Rolling:

Dorko

[DiscoStew]

I agree with the comments about not leaving people stranded but if all your suggestions are rejected, including giving them a ride out of there, and if his requests are unsafe then what are you meant to do. At some point you have to leave and if they wont leave with you then that is their choice.

Two hours is a long time to be trying to help someone, especially in the sun on the beach. cI don't know the situation they were in but if Dorko and his crew weren't planning to be out that long in the sun then you have to think about your passengers safety too, as in sunburn and dehydration.