Dangers of leaving fan and airconditioners on

[B92 8NW]

Just thought I'd remind everyone not to sleep with their fan or air-conditioning on overnight, because "an electric fan chops up all the oxygen particles in the air leaving none to breathe".

Fan death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death) :D:D

[Slunnie]

Thats also the reason why Russia has banned the use of wind farms. :eek:

[Tank]

Not as far fetched as it seems, in the USA, authorities were finding whole families dead. It turned out to be because of fans in clothes driers and frost free fridges and some rotating air vents on roofs were causing a slight interior air pressure drop, because houses nowdays are very well sealed.
What caused the deaths was Carbon Monoxide poisoning from Wood Heaters and gas and oil furnaces, most wood heaters are loaded up with wood and the air intake closed down so as the fire would still be burning in the morning. Many oil furnaces are turned down to their lowest setting as well, overnight. What was happening was the fumes going up the chimney or flue were cooling down and rising very slowly, with the Dryers and frost free fridges fans and rotating roof vents causing a slight pressure drop the cold outside air travelled down the chimney or flue and forced the fumes back into the house, through the fire's air inlet, helped by the aforementiond fans. Some states in the USA have legislated that Carbon Monoxide Monitors and Air pressure monitors be installed in homes with wood heaters and oil and gas furnaces, Believe it or Not, Regards Frank.

[B92 8NW]

Thats also the reason why Russia has banned the use of wind farms. :eek:

You're kidding:eek:. lol.

[Slunnie]

You're kidding:eek:. lol.
I am. :lol2:

But on a serious note, Russia did initially ban the Microwave due to what it does to the food and the flow on effects. Mind you, thats all probably minor stuff compared to Chernobyl

[dullbird]

I am. :lol2:

But on a serious note, Russia did initially ban the Microwave due to what it does to the food and the flow on effects.
Mind you, thats all probably minor stuff compared to Chernobyl

thats just one big microwave isn't it:D

1 minute noodles in 25ms :lol2:

[isuzurover]

Not as far fetched as it seems, in the USA, authorities were finding whole families dead. It turned out to be because of fans in clothes driers and frost free fridges and some rotating air vents on roofs were causing a slight interior air pressure drop, because houses nowdays are very well sealed.
What caused the deaths was Carbon Monoxide poisoning from Wood Heaters and gas and oil furnaces, most wood heaters are loaded up with wood and the air intake closed down so as the fire would still be burning in the morning. Many oil furnaces are turned down to their lowest setting as well, overnight. What was happening was the fumes going up the chimney or flue were cooling down and rising very slowly, with the Dryers and frost free fridges fans and rotating roof vents causing a slight pressure drop the cold outside air travelled down the chimney or flue and forced the fumes back into the house, through the fire's air inlet, helped by the aforementiond fans. Some states in the USA have legislated that Carbon Monoxide Monitors and Air pressure monitors be installed in homes with wood heaters and oil and gas furnaces, Believe it or Not, Regards Frank.

Sounds VERY far fetched - any proof??? (I believe the part about the CO monitors, but the "whole family" deaths????)

[cockie55]

Give mother-in-law a new fan every xmas with $50 for the juice

[Tank]

Yes I'll see if I can dig it up, I have had to put most of my documents in storage, I think they were USA EPA docs. that I used in submissions to NHMRC and the NEPC, should be able to find the web-site, Regards Frank.

[rovercare]

Oh No, not with the hating of wood heaters again:(

[Tank]

Oh No! Regards Frank.

[werdan]

Apparently fan death a big deal in South Korea. Doctors even note it on death certificates.

'Fan death' in Australia is more likely to be caused by this..

New meter roll-out may leave sweltering consumers smarting | theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/national/new-meter-rollout-may-leave-sweltering-consumers-smarting-20090130-7u1b.html)

$174 a day to run the aircon. :eek:

[clean32]

Sounds VERY far fetched - any proof??? (I believe the part about the CO monitors, but the "whole family" deaths????)

I would believe it. A couple of times I had problems lighting a fire in a Brick fireplace that was frozen up at say -30. The little pile of kindling wouldn’t cut it, the smoke went up and came down again. I thought the chimney was blocked first but no it was just the cold. I could see this happening with a small fire and a low pressure inertia and over a few hours. The real problem would be the small flame.

[Tank]

Apparently fan death a big deal in South Korea. Doctors even note it on death certificates.

'Fan death' in Australia is more likely to be caused by this..

New meter roll-out may leave sweltering consumers smarting | theage.com.au (http://www.theage.com.au/national/new-meter-rollout-may-leave-sweltering-consumers-smarting-20090130-7u1b.html)

$174 a day to run the aircon. :eek:
In our area we have days of intense smoke pollution from Summer bushfires and the Area Health Service advises the Elderly, the young, pregnant women and persons with Asthma and COPD to stay indoors and close all windows and doors and if you have an air conditioner use it to help filter the air, so this another example of Bureaucratic bull****, Regards Frank.

[Grover-98]

Yeap thats easy one of the stupidest things iv read in a while! :D

[Bigbjorn]

We have had people die here from the use of unflued gas fires in sealed rooms.

[Tank]

I recall having seen this on TV at some time related to gas fires I think. and yes, whole family deaths and even whole buildings being evacuated IIRC.
Mind you, my memory can be pretty hopeless at times :D

I believe even ER or one of the popular police shows covered similar incidents
It definitely happens, legislators won't change laws till some poor bastard dies, I sent Isuzurover some info to look at, I still have some other stuff I need to find, Regards Frank.

[jimbo110]

Oh No, not with the hating of wood heaters again:(
You will have to "pry mine from my cold dead hands"

I know far too many people who regret getting rid of their wood burners and getting heat pumps etc.

[rick130]

Not as far fetched as it seems, in the USA, authorities were finding whole families dead. It turned out to be because of fans in clothes driers and frost free fridges and some rotating air vents on roofs were causing a slight interior air pressure drop, because houses nowdays are very well sealed.
What caused the deaths was Carbon Monoxide poisoning from Wood Heaters and gas and oil furnaces, most wood heaters are loaded up with wood and the air intake closed down so as the fire would still be burning in the morning. Many oil furnaces are turned down to their lowest setting as well, overnight. What was happening was the fumes going up the chimney or flue were cooling down and rising very slowly, with the Dryers and frost free fridges fans and rotating roof vents causing a slight pressure drop the cold outside air travelled down the chimney or flue and forced the fumes back into the house, through the fire's air inlet, helped by the aforementiond fans. Some states in the USA have legislated that Carbon Monoxide Monitors and Air pressure monitors be installed in homes with wood heaters and oil and gas furnaces, Believe it or Not, Regards Frank.

That'll never be a problem in this house with our great little combustion heater.
Old timber slab houses aren't terribly well sealed, actually 'collander with roof' would be a better description :D

[101 Ron]

I think you blokes have got it all wrong.
The fan blows the Myasthma through the house and that kills everyone.
Just ask the Britsh goverment of the 1850s.

[Tank]

That'll never be a problem in this house with our great little combustion heater.
Old timber slab houses aren't terribly well sealed, actually 'collander with roof' would be a better description :D
Here's a simple test, open a nearby closed interior door quickly, with a shut up house and observe the flame in the heater (when on low setting), if the flame jumps or flares a little it is being fed air from the flue, it's backdrafting, Regards Frank.

[p38arover]

I think you blokes have got it all wrong.
The fan blows the Myasthma through the house and that kills everyone.
Just ask the British government of the 1850s.

Did you mean miasma?

[p38arover]

You will have to "pry mine from my cold dead hands"

I know far too many people who regret getting rid of their wood burners and getting heat pumps etc.

Best thing I ever did was getting rid of the stinking, smoky fireplace and replacing it with an LPG heater.

[rovercare]

Here's a simple test, open a nearby closed interior door quickly, with a shut up house and observe the flame in the heater (when on low setting), if the flame jumps or flares a little it is being fed air from the flue, it's backdrafting, Regards Frank.

Same thing that sucked my old man into the house fire in the early 80's:eek:

[jimbo110]

Best thing I ever did was getting rid of the stinking, smoky fireplace and replacing it with an LPG heater.
I'm talking enclosed wood burner, not open fire. At $30.00 for a 9kg fill over here, not many use LPG for their main form of heating. Having the gas station price at $1.20 a litre for automotive gas doesn't make it too economic either. No one is in a hurry to convert their cars to LPG these days.

[Bigbjorn]

Did you mean miasma?

Yes, they thought it caused the cholera epidemic in London then.

[clean32]

Best thing I ever did was getting rid of the stinking, smoky fireplace and replacing it with an LPG heater.

A bit risky LPG burners usually have a smaller flue than the old chimney, and as they are designed to put more heat out and less up the flue. they can quite easily stall, this is made worse that the LPG produces quite a bit of H20 making the gases in the flue heavier.

A 2kw LPG burner will lift the CO2 content in an average 10m X 10m room to toxic levels with in about 12 mints.

[mcrover]

This is a joke yeah?....Ive never heard or read a bigger load of crap in my life.

You have more chance of dying from heat exhaustion on a 35deg night than from Oxygen deprivation.

The amount of 02 that a fan motor could possibly convert (to.........geez I don't know, it wouldn't be C02.....what would it be?) would be minuscule in comparison to the cubic area of the room.

I think there may be other things causing the deaths other than the fan motors.

There are a few box fans to watch out for as they can catch fire.

Edit:
I will also be dragged kicking and screaming if they wanted to take our wood heater away, my wife gets asthma from the reverse cycle aircon due to the dust getting blown around and the same with gas heating but we have no fan on our wood heater and it heats the whole house well and diesnt give her asthma.

If the neibours dont like it they can suck an egg, it only smokes when I first light it or if I put a bit of greenish wood in it not realising it and I asked them all 4 houses each way before I had it fitted if they would mind.



I get my wood for free so you can beat that for cost effectivness.

[clean32]

LOL wrong end of the stick,

Its not about the Fan motors producing CO2 (maybe some O3) its about extraction Fans lowering the internal air pressure to the point where co2 produced by things like pilot lights and heaters etc cant evacuate though there flues. Another thing is not all houses around the world are plumbed wired or heated like in Australia. example would be a small house say 60m2 with a bayonet gas heater ( no flue) no hot water but a small gas heater over the sink, and another over the bath yet a 3rd over the shower each with its own pilot light, possibly a gas fridge with its pilot light as well.





This is a joke yeah?....Ive never heard or read a bigger load of crap in my life.

You have more chance of dying from heat exhaustion on a 35deg night than from Oxygen deprivation.

The amount of 02 that a fan motor could possibly convert (to.........geez I don't know, it wouldn't be C02.....what would it be?) would be minuscule in comparison to the cubic area of the room.

I think there may be other things causing the deaths other than the fan motors.

There are a few box fans to watch out for as they can catch fire.

Edit:
I will also be dragged kicking and screaming if they wanted to take our wood heater away, my wife gets asthma from the reverse cycle aircon due to the dust getting blown around and the same with gas heating but we have no fan on our wood heater and it heats the whole house well and diesnt give her asthma.

If the neibours dont like it they can suck an egg, it only smokes when I first light it or if I put a bit of greenish wood in it not realising it and I asked them all 4 houses each way before I had it fitted if they would mind.



I get my wood for free so you can beat that for cost effectivness.