Range Rover V'S Land Cruiser

[BELLE]

Hi , I want to buy a Range Rover wich my hubby once apon a time loved.Since my hubby has seen his mates 200 series he has been drawn back to his love of the land cruiser.This leaves me ****ed off as We had originaly finaly (after much debate!!!)agreed on a hotted up hilux, but now he is saying its too small for our two tall boys. In my opinion if Im going to spend the amount of money as you would on a land cruiser I would love to get the ultimate in my opinion wich is a Range rover!!! And as I have to drive it 90% of the time I think its cruel for him to make me drive an ugly as a hat full land cruiser instead of a hot hot hot fully sick , range rover , unless his ****ed up veiws are correct in wich case I dont know what Ill do......
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[cartm58]

exercise your rights and insist on range rover

[drivesafe]

Hi Belle, I think you have your wires crossed, the 200 is in the same category as the HSE D3, not a Range Rover and the D3 is by far the better vehicle for what you are interested in.

The 200 is supposed to be pretty good off road, if you believe the hype, but I’ve also heard that a hell of a lot of die hard Toyota owners have now bought D3s, after looking at a 200 and finding it was not much of an improvement over the previous model.

The D3 has the better interior of the two and as for off roading, your husband will find no trouble with the D3 giving any Toyota heaps of stick, while you will find the D3 is more like a car when it comes to town use, something the 200 is no where near as good at.

The best thing you could do is go to your local LR dealer and organise for a test drive for a day or if you can twist the deal’s arm enough, for a weekend, that will quickly change your husband's mind.

[Xavie]

Think of the styling I say! There are few uglier vehicles then the Land Cruiser oh... maybe except for the latest model rav4 which looks like a tarago but..... I don't think I could spent that much on such an ugmo vehicle.

[Scallops]

200 series? Good off road???

Oh Yeah - front and rear wheels track in different positions, independant front suspension, 600kg payload - Give me a break - it's a crap vehicle.

[rmp]

200 series? Good off road???

Oh Yeah - front and rear wheels track in different positions, independant front suspension, 600kg payload - Give me a break - it's a crap vehicle.

The track difference is the 76 not 200.

The 200 may be many things, but it's not a crap vehicle. And it's far from being a poor performer offroad.

If IFS (and IRS) is so bad, what about the current Land Rovers?

[V8Landy]

You hold the power Belle:p. Insist on a rangie much better vehicle;)

[Scallops]

The track difference is the 76 not 200.

The 200 may be many things, but it's not a crap vehicle. And it's far from being a poor performer offroad.

If IFS (and IRS) is so bad, what about the current Land Rovers?

OK - rush of blood - so it's the 76 with the logic defying wheel arrangement? Yes - some LR have IS - but when we talk "good off road" I compare the opposition to the King - the Fender. :p

I still don't buy what's so good about an offroad vehicle that has a payload of 600 odd kg. Put on a bunch of accesories, a family and camping gear - and you can't even add a long range tank legally. So how is that good?

But OK - it might be capable off road per say - but so it should be - that's hardly any bonus - it is supposed to be good off road - it's a four wheel drive vehicle. Put it against a RR or D3 or Fender - and it's nothing special.

[drivesafe]

If IFS (and IRS) is so bad, what about the current Land Rovers?

Not sure what you mean there, the D3 and FFRR are astronomical on and off road.

[long stroke]

To date im not shore i've seen the 200series beet the d3 in any of the 4wd mag tests;)
It is still winning awards now, it just won the 'open road test'!!
In one of the mags they put the rangie against the lexus/200 series thing, the rangie won without a worry:)
Buy a rangie or a d3 or a defender for that matter:D

CHEERS TIM.

[lro11]

Happy wife happy life

[scarry]

To date im not shore i've seen the 200series beet the d3 in any of the 4wd mag tests;)
It is still winning awards now, it just won the 'open road test'!!
In one of the mags they put the rangie against the lexus/200 series thing, the rangie won without a worry:)


CHEERS TIM.

AND its getting on for 4 plus years old:o:D

That 200 series looks like a Kluger on steroids damm UGLY

I say go for a drive in one of each,you will then be able to compare........

[rangieman]

Who wears the pants in your house hold:cool: , I thought most women control the purse strings ;)
If it,s going to be your car 90% of the time you should be allowed 90% of the input
Leave him then live your dream:wasntme:;)

[Grimace]

I do not undertsand for the life of me why anyone would want a 200series landcruiser... It is just beyond me... completely baffled.

I drive around in a 1990 range rover and its got better offroad handling (in the highspeed gravel) then a 100series. Now the 200series is just the same, only it hit a few more steel rods in the ugly factory!

Sorry, but damn the toyotas of late are uglay peices of...

[rmp]

Not sure what you mean there, the D3 and FFRR are astronomical on and off road.

They are indeed, and they are fully indie. The OP indicated the LC200's IFS as a bad thing. I was pointing out the LRs are fully indie.

[stig0000]

the range rover is the king of lux 4wds, an king off the road, (part from my defender:D) the range rover will blow your mind when you realy get it into the hard stuff were people start needing a locker, the rangie will keep up, trust me i no it will:D you will love it, just watch the door seals:D

there is one resion not to buy the 200,, ITS A TOYOTA:wasntme:

[rmp]

OK - rush of blood - so it's the 76 with the logic defying wheel arrangement? Yes - some LR have IS - but when we talk "good off road" I compare the opposition to the King - the Fender. :p

I still don't buy what's so good about an offroad vehicle that has a payload of 600 odd kg. Put on a bunch of accesories, a family and camping gear - and you can't even add a long range tank legally. So how is that good?

But OK - it might be capable off road per say - but so it should be - that's hardly any bonus - it is supposed to be good off road - it's a four wheel drive vehicle. Put it against a RR or D3 or Fender - and it's nothing special.

The Defender is definitely not the best stock offroader on the market.

(oh god I've done it now)

Agreed the 200's payload is terrible. That's why there are four companies offering GVM upgrades. But the original point was about offroad capability.

I also think the D3 is a better car than the 200. But that doesn't make the 200 a bad car. It makes the D3 superb.

[long stroke]

Yes i agree, the 200series would come in close to the most ugly 4wd ever made:twisted:
Not shore you could make it anymore ugly:eek:

[Scallops]

The Defender is definitely not the best stock offroader on the market.

(oh god I've done it now)



:D I guess it depends on what your priorities are. No other 4 wheel drive can carry over a ton and go where a Defender can with that ton on board - none.

So for me and many others - the Defender is the best stock offroader on the market. :)

The old Rubicon / best stock offroader is an argument I also don't buy - and here I'm guessing at your opinion of best offroad vehicle. :angel:

So it's got lockers stock - so would the punter buy it because of that alone or might they just add lockers at a minimal (when compared to overall vehicle cost) price penalty and get the multitude of advantages a Defender offers over that vehicle?

But in regard to the original poster's issue - I reckon you should drive the Cruiser then drive the Rangie - you will be able to make the choice yourself then. And welcome to the forum, Belle. :)

[101RRS]

Hi Belle, I think you have your wires crossed, the 200 is in the same category as the HSE D3,

What about a Range Rover Sport - same category?

Garry

[rmp]

:D I guess it depends on what your priorities are. No other 4 wheel drive can carry over a ton and go where a Defender can with that ton on board - none.

So for me and many others - the Defender is the best stock offroader on the market. :)

The old Rubicon / best stock offroader is an argument I also don't buy - and here I'm guessing at your opinion of best offraod vehicle. :angel:

So it's got lockers stock - so would the punter buy it because of that alone or might they just add lockers at a minimal (when compared to overall vehicle cost) price penalty and get the multitude of advantages a Defender offers over that vehicle?

But in regard to the original poster's issue - I reckon you should drive the Cruiser then drive the Rangie - you will be able to make the choice yourself then. And welcome to the forum, Belle. :)

If someone says "offroader" then I think capability to traverse rough terrain. Defender is not king there. But, as you say, if we're talking load carrying ability -- both bulk and weight, then chuck in towing too -- and miserly economy to boot then yes indeed the Defender reigns supreme. That's not just offroading though.

The Rubicon is IMHO the best stock offroader, and it will easily go where Defenders struggle. Not just because of its twin lockers, but because it also has ETC, a swaybar disconnect, crawler gears etc etc.

[dmdigital]

I know three LC100 owners who have gone out to buy a LC200 and come back with something else and a very jaded view of the 200 series. Most of this is, admittedly, around the extortionate price Toyota wants, but also they had low opinions of the handling, build quality and few other gripes.

From my observations these facts stand out about Toyota in the last few years:
Build quality is dropping, particularly in the interior's robustness and the body, paint and panels.
Price is ridiculous given what you get in comparison to other brands.
Parts are expensive if you have to go genuine.

Conversely most other makes have improved in build quality, stabilised in price and parts costs.

[drivesafe]

What about a Range Rover Sport - same category?

Garry

Hi Garrycol, the RRS is more like a D3 and having driven all three, I still bought a D3 and FFRR over the RRS and as Belle has mentioned children, that would pretty well rule out the RRS because of the smaller interior.

The RRS is a fun machine to drive but it’s out there in it’s own class, competing with the BMW and Merc wannabes and as Toyota doesn’t really have anything in this class, not worth comparing.

[Scallops]

If someone says "offroader" then I think capability to traverse rough terrain. Defender is not king there. But, as you say, if we're talking load carrying ability -- both bulk and weight, then chuck in towing too -- and miserly economy to boot then yes indeed the Defender reigns supreme. That's not just offroading though.

The Rubicon is IMHO the best stock offroader, and it will easily go where Defenders struggle. Not just because of its twin lockers, but because it also has ETC, a swaybar disconnect, crawler gears etc etc.

At the risk of highjacking this thread - I'll make this post my last on this...:D though you have some valid points there, rmp, and I don't necessarily disagree nor do I necessarily agree. :)

But for my information and education, may I ask - are you familiar with the new Defender's ETC? And I was under the impression that the new Defender has the lowest first gear ratio of any vehicle bar none, and the fact is that the new Defender's swaybars also disconnect - or at least JohnR's do when the bolts fall out! :D

But seriously - the new Defender has different (improved electronically by ECU) ETC from the 2006 TD5 and does, as I understand it, have lower ratios available than any other vehicle. :confused:

[4wd4fun]

The 200 series has a big difference in load cappacity from base to top of line.
• Gross Vehicle Mass^ (Kg) 3300
GXL Petrol : 2555 - 2635 this would = 745kg -665 kg load no accessories
Sahara Petrol: 2610 - 2665 this would = 690kg -635kg load no accessories
GXL T/Diesel : 2630 - 2700 This would = 670 kg-600kg load no accessories
VX & Sahara T/Diesel: 2675 - 2720 las t but no least = 625kg -580kg
• Maximum roof load (Kg) 200 but if you place a roof rack on this is included in this weight and you need to deduct the roof weight.
So a VX & sahara fully factory opptioned 580kg cappacity place on steel bull bar and rear bar with tyre carrier,long range fuel tank,steel side steps and its even less. If you opption up with roof rack also and place load up there this has to come off the 580kg also. So full opptioned for a trip you place esky in back spare tyre on roof and have all luggage in the Landrover support vehicle usually a defender with 1000kg load capacity travelling with you for recovery and support. Oh and dont forget if you are travellin in dusty conditions to pack a shower and cloths to change into as LC have a huge dust problem as advised on a couple of trip reports(top gear Aus comparo RR,Audi,200LC)for one and i have been advised by owner of one that this is correct and he wished he kept his 100series TD,:wasntme:

[rmp]

At the risk of highjacking this thread - I'll make this post my last on this...:D though you have some valid points there, rmp, and I don't necessarily disagree nor do I necessarily agree. :)

But for my information and education, may I ask - are you familiar with the new Defender's ETC? And I was under the impression that the new Defender has the lowest first gear ratio of any vehicle bar none, and the fact is that the new Defender's swaybars also disconnect - or at least JohnR's do when the bolts fall out! :D

But seriously - the new Defender has different (improved electronically by ECU) ETC from the 2006 TD5 and does, as I understand it, have lower ratios available than any other vehicle. :confused:

Yes I am familiar with the new Defender's ETC. I don't see it being much different, if any, to the version on the TD5, and it's not as good as the 200's. I don't see it being any better than Jeep's efforts with the Wrangler for sure.

Yes the 1:62 is pretty low. But the Rubicon is around there too, might even be 1:70 or so from memory. A merely low gear isn't everything, while the 76 Series can't match 1:62 it has excellent engine braking so is just as good in the real world.

Modifying a vehicle doesn't count, but the new Defender's swaybars certainly don't help it's case in low range territory.

I'm not asking anyone to agree, you can all make your own minds up ;-)

[rmp]

The 200 series has a big difference in load cappacity from base to top of line.
• Gross Vehicle Mass^ (Kg) 3300
GXL Petrol : 2555 - 2635 this would = 745kg -665 kg load no accessories
Sahara Petrol: 2610 - 2665 this would = 690kg -635kg load no accessories
GXL T/Diesel : 2630 - 2700 This would = 670 kg-600kg load no accessories
VX & Sahara T/Diesel: 2675 - 2720 las t but no least = 625kg -580kg
• Maximum roof load (Kg) 200 but if you place a roof rack on this is included in this weight and you need to deduct the roof weight.
So a VX & sahara fully factory opptioned 580kg cappacity place on steel bull bar and rear bar with tyre carrier,long range fuel tank,steel side steps and its even less. If you opption up with roof rack also and place load up there this has to come off the 580kg also. So full opptioned for a trip you place esky in back spare tyre on roof and have all luggage in the Landrover support vehicle usually a defender with 1000kg load capacity travelling with you for recovery and support. Oh and dont forget if you are travellin in dusty conditions to pack a shower and cloths to change into as LC have a huge dust problem as advised on a couple of trip reports(top gear Aus comparo RR,Audi,200LC)for one and i have been advised by owner of one that this is correct and he wished he kept his 100series TD,:wasntme:

That is also true of almost every other vehicle. Diesels weigh more than petrol, auto more than manual, luxo spec more than base, with some rare exceptions.

I've not experienced any dust problems with either LC200s or LX570.

[discowhite]

you cant compair the new defender and the rubicon! they are similar but very different. the defender is more of an all rounder to the rubicon, where as it was built purley for serious offroad! as rmp has stated.

back to the topic at hand;)

cheers phil

[dmdigital]

Yes I am familiar with the new Defender's ETC. I don't see it being much different, if any, to the version on the TD5,...
You have obviously not used it. It is significantly better than previous versions. I'm not familiar with the LC200's, but the Jeep owners I've talked to make me think their's is about on par with the Td5's ETC. Again though I have no comparison for the Jeep either.

[Ricey]

I suspect the OP is talking about getting a car for town use for image not offroading. If Belle's man is keen on the 200 series, and a hotted up Hilux (not read as modified) and a "hot hot hot, fully sick Range Rover" I'd say looks and image are the primary motivators here. Out on a limb here, but I'm picturing 'Pimped'

[dullbird]

what I want to know is if all these cars are so fabulous off road over a landy (I'm not saying there not!) why don't any of us see them off road?

all I ever see is old Toyota's!!! So I'm not sure how anyone can compare models, as I can bet your bottom dollar that these vehicles have NOT be put against each other in the roughest terrain. and I'm not talking a few bumps to get a little angle out of the wheels for a good photo....and being careful not to panel damage a car that has been lent to them for a magazine shoot etc, I'm talking real world off roading not just traversing a gravel track which I'm more than sure any new car could do reasonably well.

No one can say that a defender is better off road than a Rubicon because it can carry more weight and no one can say the Rubicon is better of road than a defender because it has lockers and crawler gears.....SO WHAT its speculation until they are put together on some DIFFICULT TERRAIN and driven by the same person! which they never are on these test........its all hear say IMHO.
Just because you have lockers doesn't mean your going to get places it depends on what you do with them....Ian has follow many locked and lifted cars in his old standard 90 with out a sweat..that has to stand for something

ALL cars have there good and bad points it depends what your compromises are and what you want out of the vehicle.......I think the defender wins every race in regards to be expensive for what it has, but it is a compromise in the fact that it IS an all round vehicle unlike a lot of others

[dmdigital]

Hasn't Toyota dumped the "hotted up" Hilux and the special vehicles (or whatever they called it) range?

[Ricey]

Hasn't Toyota dumped the "hotted up" Hilux and the special vehicles (or whatever they called it) range?

Not sure if it's been dumped (the Hilux TRD) but this article is from April 2008

First drive: TRD HiLux - drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=51232)

[dmdigital]

Not sure if it's been dumped (the Hilux TRD) but this article is from April 2008

First drive: TRD HiLux - drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=51232)
Article from 19 Dec 2008: Toyota dumps TRD - drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=59808&vf=1&pg=2&IsPgd=0)

May only be closing in Australia, but they have also dropped from World Rally and a few other things.

[Ricey]

Hi , I want to buy a Range Rover wich my hubby once apon a time loved.Since my hubby has seen his mates 200 series he has been drawn back to his love of the land cruiser.This leaves me ****ed off as We had originaly finaly (after much debate!!!)agreed on a hotted up hilux, but now he is saying its too small for our two tall boys. In my opinion if Im going to spend the amount of money as you would on a land cruiser I would love to get the ultimate in my opinion wich is a Range rover!!! And as I have to drive it 90% of the time I think its cruel for him to make me drive an ugly as a hat full of arses land cruiser instead of a hot hot hot fully sick , range rover , unless his ****ed up veiws are correct in wich case I dont know what Ill do......
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I guess to help Belle out here, perhaps she could let us know what she wants to use the 'fully sick Rangie' for?

[101RRS]

Getting back to the original question. 200 vs RR - not Defender, not D3.

I do not think Belle is actually talking about a RR as such, after all a RR is nearly twice the price of a 200 series. I suspect what Belle is comparing is a Range Rover Sport (D3 with a different body) with a 200 series - the RRS is only a bit more expensive.

Or maybe Belle is comparing the relatively new 200 with slightly older RR Vogue - so comparing new with older?

Belle - can you clarify which Range Rover you are actually talking about?

Garry

[rmp]

You have obviously not used it. It is significantly better than previous versions. I'm not familiar with the LC200's, but the Jeep owners I've talked to make me think their's is about on par with the Td5's ETC. Again though I have no comparison for the Jeep either.

Just wondering how you know what I've done ;-)

I have driven Puma Defenders offroad. And TD5s for that matter. The ETC is good, but as I said, overall I don't see it being a major leap over the TD5 as the latter doens't have swaybars and thus needs it less. I don't see it being as good as the 200, which again I've driven. Probably about the same as the JK.

Comparing ETCs is quite difficult unless you do a back to back with identical vehicles, unless one is extremely good relative to the others. The problem is working out the test; up a rutted slope you're testing articulation and ability to get weight on the wheels so a car with poor flex and good ETC can do as well as vice-versa. And some are noisy when they come in, some aren't. Plus gearing makes a difference, the Puma can certainly do things in higher gears the TD5 cannot (more torque, better gear spread), which will reduce wheelspin and thus the need to activate ETC. So I take those factors into account too. The ETC and ABS was certainly recalibrated from the TD5 so it is different.

[DiscoTDI]

Go the Range rover;)

[Scallops]

Yes I am familiar with the new Defender's ETC. I don't see it being much different, if any, to the version on the TD5;-)


The ETC and ABS was certainly recalibrated from the TD5 so it is different.

I'm not sure you know what you think, mate! :p But go the Rangie!

IMHO - In 10 years time the 200 series will just be one more old Toyota kicking around that noone will see as anything special. Rangies however have panache, virve and flair - someone will always love them. :D

[PAT303]

Sorry rmp but 200 series are rubbish.If I was spending 90 grand on a vehicle I see no reason why I should spend another 4 grand engineering the vehicle to meet Aust design rules.They like all toyota's ever made need a lot of money spent on them just to drive on the road and the quality has gone down hill in a big way,go to your local dealer and climb under one and look at the chassis welding,I think they hire first year apprentice robots to assemble them.I don't care what the mags,diehards say they can't go offroad unless you buy a lot of bumpers and worst of all there in no redundancy in the electrics so you will be stuck fast with something as simple as moisture in the airbox.The problem I see with the 200 is it doesn't do anything good,as already stated the D3,RRS are better inside,very capable offroad and are next to brilliant on it,the tojo is none of those things. Pat

[drivesafe]

Well personally, I think the LC200 is fantastic, particularly from a D3 sales point of view.

I can’t remember how main times a new D3 owner has rung me to order a Dual Battery kit and I have asked them what they owned before buying the D3.

Obviously, most were already LR fans but quite a few have been tojo owners and a number of these have specifically stated that they were so totally unimpressed with the LC200 that they went looking at other makes

These were all die hard tojo supporters but have had second thoughts about how good the new 200s really are.

Whether the LC200s are as crap as is being posted here is one thing but the LC200s are not making anywhere near as many friends in the toyota camps as one is lead to believe.

[numpty]

Article from 19 Dec 2008: Toyota dumps TRD - drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=59808&vf=1&pg=2&IsPgd=0)

May only be closing in Australia, but they have also dropped from World Rally and a few other things.

:eek:Toyota dropped out of the World Rally Championship about 8 or more years ago.

[p38arover]

Not sure what you mean there, the D3 and FFRR are astronomical on and off road.

Robert hasn't made a statement, he's asking if Scallops to rethink his comment in light of the fact that the D3 and RR have IFS/IRS.

[p38arover]

Think of the styling I say! There are few uglier vehicles then the Land Cruiser

"Than"

Re the statement, an all-white D3 goes close. If there was ever a colour that looked bad on a car! It makes it look like a refrigerator.

[drivesafe]

"Than"

Bloody spelling police. :twisted:

[rmp]

I'm not sure you know what you think, mate! :p But go the Rangie!

IMHO - In 10 years time the 200 series will just be one more old Toyota kicking around that noone will see as anything special. Rangies however have panache, virve and flair - someone will always love them. :D

Sorry, I'll clarify. Different because of the engine, but end result -- much the same.

Agreed about the Rangie.

Thought that was you last post ;-)

[Scallops]

Thought that was you last post ;-)

:D:D:) - Yeah - so did I! :D

[p38arover]

Bloody spelling police. :twisted:

Not at all. It was the wrong word - it is a common mistake, too.

[rmp]

"Than"

Re the statement, an all-white D3 goes close. If there was ever a colour that looked bad on a car! It makes it look like a refrigerator.

Maybe so, but the LC200 actually is whitegoods ;-)

[p38arover]

Unless Toyota have dropped the ball, the 200 should be a cheaper vehicle to own than a Rangie over its lifetime.

[BigJon]

Unless Toyota have dropped the ball, the 200 should be a cheaper vehicle to own than a Rangie over its lifetime.

So is a Hyundai Excel. Doesn't make it better. :D

[rmp]

So is a Hyundai Excel. Doesn't make it better. :D

In our opinion anyway, as people who think of cars as more than mere transport.

[p38arover]

Maybe so, but the LC200 actually is whitegoods ;-)


:D

If the white D3 didn't have a white grille, it would look a lot better.

[rick130]

FWIW, one of the local Polo fella's and a bloke not short of a quid (he owns a bank OS :eek: ) has a L/C Sahara and Lexus equivalent and that's all he's had for as long as i've known him.
His Aussie girlfriend desperately wanted a Range Rover, so he asked me what I thought seeing as I had a Defender and everyone had advised him against it.
I duly advised and the girlfriend won ;)

Six months later he thanked me for the advice and told me how fantastic the Range Rover is.

[Ricey]

Can anyone advise how a RR Vogue would go on Stockton Beach? I have one coming up with me next month, and I'm a bit concerned about the weight and whether she'll just bog down.
Thx

[PAT303]

Rick,how many people have you met that say LR's are rubbish even though they have never owned one?.That is LR's biggest problem besides no dealers any where. Pat

[PAT303]

Can anyone advise how a RR Vogue would go on Stockton Beach? I have one coming up with me next month, and I'm a bit concerned about the weight and whether she'll just bog down.
Thx

All vehicles bog down on stockton.It is by far the hardest sand driving you will ever do in Oz,I can say that after driving on beaches from cape york to tassie. Pat

[rick130]

Rick,how many people have you met that say LR's are rubbish even though they have never owned one?.That is LR's biggest problem besides no dealers any where. Pat

I get that from the Cockies all the time Pat, except one of them has DII and it's got an electrical/electronic gremlin that sticks him up so he hates it.
If there was a dealer closer than 3 hrs away it would've been problem solved long ago. :mad:

[rmp]

Can anyone advise how a RR Vogue would go on Stockton Beach? I have one coming up with me next month, and I'm a bit concerned about the weight and whether she'll just bog down.
Thx

The problem with the RR Vogue -- if you mean the current model -- is the rims. specifically the low profile tyres, not so much the weight. You won't lack for power or handling, but if it has 20" rims it will struggle in places. However, keep the momentum up and avoid the really soft stuff and you'll be fine. Turn DSC off too, and use sand mode if it is one with Terrain Response. It's more of a momentum driving style than cars which can float better and have less power.

[Ricey]

Thanks Pat & RMP. It's a 4 y/o - great point on the tyres, I'll check him on that & turning the DSC off.
Pete

[hoadie72]

The track difference is the 76 not 200.

The 200 may be many things, but it's not a crap vehicle. And it's far from being a poor performer offroad.

If IFS (and IRS) is so bad, what about the current Land Rovers?

The 200 series DOES have a wider track front vs rear

http://www.toyota.com.au/TWR/content/static/47256.pdf

It might only be 5mm but it is wider at the front.

[rmp]

The 200 series DOES have a wider track front vs rear

http://www.toyota.com.au/TWR/content/static/47256.pdf

It might only be 5mm but it is wider at the front.

Many vehicles do have a track difference front/rear. What's unusual about the 76 is how large the difference is, hence the comments. It's quite noticeable, but you'd never pick a 5mm difference without very careful measuring.

[hoadie72]

Many vehicles do have a track difference front/rear. What's unusual about the 76 is how large the difference is, hence the comments. It's quite noticeable, but you'd never pick a 5mm difference without very careful measuring.

It's either wider at the front or it isn't. As it turns out, it is so I've cleared that up.

From what I've seen, it's unusual for the front to be wider that the rear, whether 1mm or 50mm. The rear wider than the front is a different matter, especially in sports cars.

[harry]

not meaning to be rude,
but once again you lot have poured your hearts out to a post from someone that purports to be female, and still has only posted once, with no location.
it may have started from a real question, but it seems to me you lot go in full bore without waiting for a reply, so there is no reason for a reply from the thread poster..

[rmp]

It's either wider at the front or it isn't. As it turns out, it is so I've cleared that up.

From what I've seen, it's unusual for the front to be wider that the rear, whether 1mm or 50mm. The rear wider than the front is a different matter, especially in sports cars.

Sports cars yes, others types are variable. Unless it's of the magnitude of the 76's difference nobody notices, 5mm on an LC200 is nothing as it's 2.5mm either side on a very wide vehicle.

Nobody said the 200 was the same track f/r, it was more the 76 is so different it stands out and IMHO that doesn't do anything for its already ordinary handling.

[justinc]

Belle,
I am assuming here that you are looking at similar model years in either vehicle?
I would personally go the RR as it has way more character, elegance and style than a LC200. It is also capable driven hard in almost ANY terrain, (So is the LC200 though) and that evening be quite at home being valet parked at the Hilton.:cool:

As said, drive both and then you'll know for sure.

JC

[rick130]

It's either wider at the front or it isn't. As it turns out, it is so I've cleared that up.

From what I've seen, it's unusual for the front to be wider that the rear, whether 1mm or 50mm. The rear wider than the front is a different matter, especially in sports cars.

Actually, race cars should always have a wider front than rear track, otherwise chronic understeer is the result.
Any race car I ever had anything to do with had a wider front track.

[BMKal]

Well personally, I think the LC200 is fantastic, particularly from a D3 sales point of view.

I can’t remember how main times a new D3 owner has rung me to order a Dual Battery kit and I have asked them what they owned before buying the D3.

Obviously, most were already LR fans but quite a few have been tojo owners and a number of these have specifically stated that they were so totally unimpressed with the LC200 that they went looking at other makes

These were all die hard tojo supporters but have had second thoughts about how good the new 200s really are.

Whether the LC200s are as crap as is being posted here is one thing but the LC200s are not making anywhere near as many friends in the toyota camps as one is lead to believe.


And it's not just private buyers coming to this conclusion.

The company that I work with have up until now had either Holdens or Toyotas only as company vehicles. The General Manager of one of the divisions recently came due to replace his Prado. The big boss told him to go and trade it on a 200 Series VX (mid-spec). However, after looking at the pros and cons of the 200 Series vs the D3, that GM is now driving a new D3 TDV6 HSE - and it was cheaper to buy this than an equivalently optioned VX Toyota.

So far, they're very happy with the D3, and there's talk of gradually replacing more of the Toyotas with LR's.

If only LR sold a 130 with airbags - they'd have a winner in the mining industry at the moment. Nobody's buying Landcruiser tray backs or troopys any more because of the requirement on many mine sites now to have airbags (was a standard introduced by BHP and gradually being implemented by the other majors). So it's either Pootrols or Hi-lux's for everyone at the moment (even though it's only a few years since BHP banned "Rollux's from the Iron Ore sites).

Also, the "new" Toyota 76 Series wagon, which was supposed to be such a big seller into the mining industry (one of Toyota's stated reasons for dropping the base model wagon in the 200 Series and starting at the more expensive GXL) is not selling in the mining industry for the same lack of airbags. Base model Prado's now seem to be flavour of the month.

[PAT303]

If the defender had airbags I'd order one tommorrow and I would push very very hard for the hilux's to be replaced by them. Pat

[p38arover]

If the defender had airbags I'd order one tommorrow and I would push very very hard for the hilux's to be replaced by them. Pat

I thought the mine mechanics hated Landies.

[Jamo]

Simple. Land Rovers have soul, Toyotas don't!