101 & Trailer in Cairns (Abandoned?)

[1103.9TDI]

Spotted this interesting combination in the city recently, rumour has it, that the 101 may have had a Chev diesel fitted in WA, now looking for a 4BD1T. Next time I pass by, will have a closer look at the notice, could be, remove or it will be removed free!.

[101RRS]

It is owned and well known.

[hook]

If it dose flot away, over night.

Getting a bit WET up here.

[crdc]

Remember it sitting there when I was up there. looked at the trailer but got myself a type 5 this one looked too big for the 110

CRDC

110 Perentie Senior Commander FFR, Winch MC2 and type 5 trailer

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Isn't that one prototype number 7? The one originally fitted with the Ford Falcon engine and ENV diffs?

Diana

[101 Ron]

Thats it !

[101RRS]

And the powered trailer.

[p38arover]

Looks good!

[muddy]

And the powered trailer.
Hi Garrycol
Is that pto driven and are there any inherent problems in the operation of such

[Lotz-A-Landies]

What I want to know is what are the signs on the 101 and trailer? That one is too valuable to be removed by council and broken up as an abandoned vehicle.

[Bigbjorn]

What I want to know is what are the signs on the 101 and trailer? That one is too valuable to be removed by council and broken up as an abandoned vehicle.

Councils don't care. To them it will be just another abandoned vehicle on a public road. If there has been a complaint of an unregistered or abandoned vehicle then they have a responsibility to act. There is a statutory procedure. Here in Brisbane a council officer will visit usually within one or two weeks of a complaint, door knock the vicinity to attempt to find the owner, give a verbal warning if one is located, then place an official notice on the vehicle. If no reponse after a statutory waiting period, the vehicle will be removed to a holding yard. Once removed, then council places an ad. in the local press detailing the vehicles towed in the last couple of weeks and inviting owners to retrieve the vehicle and pay the charges. Again if no response another ad. is placed listing abandoned vehicles that will be sold by public auction.

[1103.9TDI]

I'll go down there tomorrow and see what the sign says.

[101RRS]

As understand it the vehicle and trailer (I understand that it is the powered trailer - this 101 and its trailer is the one we hear and read about in Australian 101 history) and is in thye custody of its owner. The owner is currently overseas and negotiations for its sale are underway.

People raising visibility about the vehicle could have a negative influence its sale.

Garry

[Bigbjorn]

As understand it the vehicle and trailer (I understand that it is the powered trailer - this 101 and its trailer is the one we hear and read about in Australian 101 history) and is in thye custody of its owner. The owner is currently overseas and negotiations for its sale are underway.

People raising visibility about the vehicle could have a negative influence its sale.

Garry

If the vehicles are registered and legally parked, then neither Council nor Police will take any action other than tell the owner there has been a complaint and perhaps he should move them around or tidy them up occasionally. If not, then action will be taken as detailed in my earlier post. There is a fine, was $150, for parking unregistered vehicles on a public road. Also, Brisbane City Council has a by-law forbidding the displaying of vehicles for sale on a public road, Fine also $150. Don't know if Cairns City Council has a similar rule. Brisbane City Council being spoilsports, if they find a registered vehicle being displayed for sale on a road without a Safety Certificate attached to the vehicle, notify Qld. Transport who are also likely to visit and hand out another fine.

[1103.9TDI]

As understand it the vehicle and trailer (I understand that it is the powered trailer - this 101 and its trailer is the one we hear and read about in Australian 101 history) and is in thye custody of its owner. The owner is currently overseas and negotiations for its sale are underway.

People raising visibility about the vehicle could have a negative influence its sale.

Garry
Garrycol,
It may have been a better idea if you had PMed me this information in a friendly manner, rather than insinuating that by innocently posting a pic of an interesting vehicle noticed in my local area, I may be 'raising the visibility" of the vehicle. This again reeks of the same cloak and dagger sh*t that is currently aflicting the REMLR section, blocking what was a informative public forum, from those who have a genuine interest in the discussion points.

[incisor]

This again reeks of the same cloak and dagger sh*t that is currently aflicting the REMLR section, blocking what was a informative public forum, from those who have a genuine interest in the discussion points.

what cloak and dagger ****?

[Phoenix]

I was going to say the same. how is having a section for members only any different to any other club on here?

[weeds]

i don't understand garry comment


People raising visibility about the vehicle could have a negative influence its sale.


everyother day members are posting links and pics of cars that are 4 sale etc

re: cloak and dagger ........i'm not a member of remlr so i will leave that to others

[EchiDna]

I think Garry means by promoting the existence of the vehicle, the competition to buy it will rise and in turn potentially increase the price.

Personally I'd call that a "positive" if I was trying to sell it, not a "negative" - however if I wished to buy it, I'd try and keep it hushed up too... anyway, too late for that, it's out in the open now.

[JDNSW]

Hi Garrycol
Is that pto driven and are there any inherent problems in the operation of such

The trailer is driven by a special PTO geared to the transfer case output not input. Same PTO unit as is used for the Perentie 6x6.

I have heard that the driven trailer can give serious problems on sharp turns (trailer wheels travel a shorter distance than rear wheels of towing vehicle, but are locked to the same speed - similar problem to sharp turns with the centre diff locked, but made worse by the fact that there is a joint in the middle, and the trailer is trying to push the rear wheels sideways from a point above the wheels), but otherwise apparently has no other problems.
John

[1103.9TDI]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/remlr-sale-wanted/63538-trailers-sale-3.html

Specifically:'there is a private remlr area for this sort of chat, if you are a remlr member see phoenix for access..' The thread was 'Trailers For Sale' for everyone.

So, how do we get access if we're not a REMLR member to discuss our particular interest?.

Do you think it might be a good idea to state what cannot be posted in a window, prior to entering a forum?, of course besides the usual expletive comments. I obviously would not have started a thread had I known I would affect someone somewhere in the world.

[1103.9TDI]

....Anyway for those that would like to see a little more of this most unusual vehicle, I will post a few more pics taken this morning, then I will retreat into my 42Deg dengue induced fever..................... I guess the military's always been about cloak and dagger!, why should REMLR be any different!.................... Note the two notices have been removed!.

[incisor]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/remlr-sale-wanted/63538-trailers-sale-3.html

Specifically:'there is a private remlr area for this sort of chat, if you are a remlr member see phoenix for access..' The thread was 'Trailers For Sale' for everyone.
so you want the benefits of membership without actually joining...

the "this sort of chat" is chat relating to prices willing to be paid or that were paid" amongst other things

not really something you want commercial sellers who you know are watching to know i would have thought.

anything technical etc etc etc is freely available to all at The Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers. Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. (http://www.remlr.com) and in the open areas of the remlr forum..

hardly cloak and dagger stuff ole mate....

otherwise get a ex mil vehicle and join, costs nothing :p

[slug_burner]

so you want the benefits of membership without actually joining...

the "this sort of chat" is chat relating to prices willing to be paid or that were paid" amongst other things

not really something you want commercial sellers who you know are watching to know i would have thought.

anything technical etc etc etc is freely available to all at The Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers. Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. (http://www.remlr.com) and in the open areas of the remlr forum..

hardly cloak and dagger stuff ole mate....

otherwise get a ex mil vehicle and join, costs nothing :p

Get an ex mil vehicle and join? What and have no benefit of knowing what the price is likely to be before you buy! :(

The price is what the market will bear and all the cloak and dagger discussions aren't going to change that :o

[101RRS]

Garrycol,
It may have been a better idea if you had PMed me this information in a friendly manner, rather than insinuating that by innocently posting a pic of an interesting vehicle noticed in my local area, I may be 'raising the visibility" of the vehicle. This again reeks of the same cloak and dagger sh*t that is currently aflicting the REMLR section, blocking what was a informative public forum, from those who have a genuine interest in the discussion points.

You are reading something into this that is not there - I was not insinuating anything about your post - of course you have right to put the information up - given the way you have taken my post maybe you should have sent a PM to me to discuss your concerns.

Garry

[muddy]

The trailer is driven by a special PTO geared to the transfer case output not input. Same PTO unit as is used for the Perentie 6x6.

I have heard that the driven trailer can give serious problems on sharp turns (trailer wheels travel a shorter distance than rear wheels of towing vehicle, but are locked to the same speed - similar problem to sharp turns with the centre diff locked, but made worse by the fact that there is a joint in the middle, and the trailer is trying to push the rear wheels sideways from a point above the wheels), but otherwise apparently has no other problems.
John


Thanks John
Thats what I suspected which would be amplified in an off road situation

[incisor]

The price is what the market will bear and all the cloak and dagger discussions aren't going to change that :o

my point exactly!

and we wont mention that it helps prevent sellers putting an inflated starting price as they have done in the past after gathering info from places like this...

it isnt fiction, its fact...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Gerry (not entering the debate on REMLR forum)

That 101 must be running 4.7:1 Salisburies! Looking at the pics of the trailer:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Thats an ENV diff and they only came in one ratio 4.7:1

Diana

[1103.9TDI]

Thanks Gerry (not entering the debate on REMLR forum)

That 101 must be running 4.7:1 Salisburies! Looking at the pics of the trailer:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/fcs-military-variations/13343d1233726368-101-trailer-cairns-abandoned-img_1530-1024x768-.jpg

Thats an ENV diff and they only came in one ratio 4.7:1

Diana
.......I also didn't realise that there are no brakes on the front axle!. Is this normal for 101's?.



Yeah, I'm finished with the secret society too........

[Col.Coleman]

.......I also didn't realise that there are no brakes on the front axle!. Is this normal for 101's?.



Yeah, I'm finished with the secret society too........

Um,

I think you are getting the pic of the trailer axle confused with the FC(Even though I can see brake lines in both pics)

No secrets there:p

CC

[Phoenix]

that's actually a photo of the powered trailer I think 1103.9tdi .

[1103.9TDI]

.........Just can't quite get the angle right on these pics, the last (no.1530) being the trailer of course...............I'm sure the drums are up front!.

[Col.Coleman]

In the middle pic, which is the shot under the front, beside the left spring pack you will see the flexible brake hose that comes from the chassis rail to the top of the swivel hub, which then goes to the brake drum.

CC

[101RRS]

To the left of the centre pic you can see the backing plate for the front brakes. This prototype also uses series type springs rather than the production 101 parabolics - the steering damper is looks different.

[UncleHo]

G'day 1103.9TDI :)


I sent you friendly a PM :):D:D


cheers

[defmec]

jeff in at cairns land rover specialist knows the 101 ask him about it

[Lotz-A-Landies]

To the left of the centre pic you can see the backing plate for the front brakes. This prototype also uses series type springs rather than the production 101 parabolics - the steering damper is looks different.Garry

As I understand it, this prototype was originally fitted with ENV diffs rather than the Salisbury diffs fitted to the 101 production vehicles. In fact it is likely that the early 101 prototypes were actually fitted with standard SIIB running gear and transmission, which probably includes the steering linkages.

The front springs in the pic (apart from the axle being overslung) don't appear to be the Series front springs to me.

The production 101 Salisbury axle assemblies were fitted to 101/7 subsequent to its use as a prototype.

Diana

[101RRS]

The front springs in the pic (apart from the axle being overslung) don't appear to be the Series front springs to me.

Diana

Hi Diana - as the springs fitted to this vehicle are not 101 springs I just assumed that it being a prototype they were series springs. 101s have 2 leaf parabolic springs where this has springs that have four or five leaves.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Diana - as the springs fitted to this vehicle are not 101 springs I just assumed that it being a prototype they were series springs. 101s have 2 leaf parabolic springs where this has springs that have four or five leaves.

GarryI'm not sure what they are off either, perhaps hand-made for the prototype. The Series forward controls have 13 quite thin leaves in the same length as the normal control Series Land Rovers. However they could be rear SIIB springs with the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th leaves removed. This would give a length similar to the parabolic and suffice for the purpose of the prototype development.

Would be good if we could get some more info . I may ask a few questions on the FC forum in the UK.

On second thought, I just went out and reviewed the rear springs on one of my SIIB, the rear springs are too long to be those used on 101/7, The leaves are the right thickness but too short on the 101 and you can see 4 leaves currently, however you can see evidence of a leaf between current 2 and 3 on the RHS and I could easily be convinced possibly another directly under the bush on the same side.

Diana