2a grill ?

[muz22z]

Hi,
My 1970 2a has a plastic s3 type grill fitted. Is that the correct grill? Did the 2a get a plastic grill when the headlights moved to the guards or should it have a wire grill?

[stage1slave]

Hi,
My 1970 2a has a plastic s3 type grill fitted. Is that the correct grill? Did the 2a get a plastic grill when the headlights moved to the guards or should it have a wire grill?


My thoughts are that it should have the metal,+ shaped grill. Plastic ones were fitted to the very last s11a's, but that wasn't for a couple of years after yours, ie, early 1972ish.
I could be wrong and probably am, but someone will correct me.

cheers
ER

[JDNSW]

I was not aware of any S2a with a plastic grille. The headlight in guard ones should be a + shape metal as said.

John

[RobHay]

I am with JD on this IIA grills should be metal......the plastic did not come in until the later series III

[Shonky]

Should be like this one:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

(from roverhaul.com)

[d@rk51d3]

Should be like this one:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/lr5_050.jpg

(from roverhaul.com)


Unless it was a Six, then it would have the horizontal bar type metal grille................. or was that the diesel grille?

[LWB123]

The grille on my Dad's old wide-light LWB IIA was all metal, but did not look like the one in the photo on the previous post - not evenly square mesh and narrow bit at the top with the LR badge a good bit wider than in the same photo.

Basically it was similar to the last of the narrow headlight models - verticals widely spaced and horizontals in `pairs' close spaced with gaps between each pair of about twice that spacing. Obviously also no indent for the headlights.

Cheers,

[stage1slave]

The grille on my Dad's old wide-light LWB IIA was all metal, but did not look like the one in the photo on the previous post - not evenly square mesh and narrow bit at the top with the LR badge a good bit wider than in the same photo.

Basically it was similar to the last of the narrow headlight models - verticals widely spaced and horizontals in `pairs' close spaced with gaps between each pair of about twice that spacing. Obviously also no indent for the headlights.

Cheers,

sounds and looks the same as the one off our '71 11a, SIX cylinder.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Unless it was a Six, then it would have the horizontal bar type metal grille................. or was that the diesel grille?Yes the six had the horizontal bar type but only if it was a Pressed Metal Corp built Land Rover. The Solihull built ones had the grill that Shonky described.

Diana

BTW: Brian Danielson at Land Vehicle Spares (http://www.landvehiclespares.com/) Silverdale had a whole bunch of NOS horizontal bar ones ex-PMC

[LWB123]

My Dad's 72 model 2A was a six cylinder, and one other post noted they had the same grill on their 71 model six cylinder. The last post suggested this was a grille used on 6's exclusively by PMC in Australia cf. what the UK LRs were fitted with.

Is that only true of the Australian 6 cylinder variants?

What grille did the wide-light 4 cylinder 2As have? Without really thinking about it, I had thought that they were the same thing, bar for the small 6 cylinder badge lower down the grille - my cousin had one which I probably walked past a couple of hundred times over 20 years and thought it was the same.

FWIW I also previously had a 69 model SWB that I am pretty sure was a 2A narrow-light model (had the cream wheels, newer steering wheel and toggles switches for lights and wiper that went through until the Series 3). It had a similar pattern grille to our wide-light 6 except for the headlights requiring the top of the grill to narrow to fit. To my limited understanding of things LR, this arrangement replaced the older square mesh profile and was carried through the whole range here.

Not life or death stuff - but it had the old memory stretched.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thinking about it, it may have been all PMC built wide headlamp models, I had both a Solihill built 109 hardtop and a PMC built 109 wagon, both were six cyl so my previous post was an assumption (sorry for my sig on this occasion) in regard to the six cyl bit. I do seem to remember a nice bronze green 1971 88" with the horizontal bar type (even though they do have a few verticals).

[WileE]

This link has some pictures of the grill fitted to my late Series 2A;

2A 88 GS -REMLR (http://www.remlr.com/sheds/ipshedmore.html)

This is a very late 2A with a build date of 9/72 and fitted with a 4 cylinder petrol engine.

[muz22z]

BTW: Brian Danielson at Land Vehicle Spares (http://www.landvehiclespares.com/) Silverdale had a whole bunch of NOS horizontal bar ones ex-PMC

I rang LVS and now have a NOS grille on the way down. I told them it was for a 1970 wide light 2a so I will let you know which version I end up with!

[LWB123]

No doubt the photo of the Army wide-light 2A in the recent post above clearly shows the square wire pattern grille which may well be right - might also have been retained for the Army models?

Saw another thread today in this Series 2 section where another member had just picked up a 2A wide-light SWB (nice truck too!) and one of the photos of it would seem to have a grille pattern that is similar to the one in the photo of the military LR - although it is a bit hard to actually see at the angle and resolution at which the photo was taken.

Anyway nice to know the real answer.

Cheers,

[d@rk51d3]

Ah, here we go......

Check the grille in the pic of the opening post here:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-2-2a/72560-id-land-rover.html


That's the one I was thinking about.

(Thanks Coma!)

[LWB123]

Thanks - however, that photo in the other thread is a narrow light 2A like the 4 cylinder SWB that I owned when they were still new back in the late 60's.

The question still at hand for curiosity value was what went on the 4 cylinder 2A wide lights in Australia around 1972? Seems to be general agreement that the UK ones, at least, had the square mesh pattern back then.

Cheers,

[wozapinin]

this is the grill on my 71 2a, made of round bar. not to many around now as they make good barby grills. I do have a spare:D.

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

The later Suffix"G" onwards 2a "widelight" as you are calling it, would have had a woven metal mesh grille in the 4 cylinder models,like that in Shonky's post (5) and the horizontal round bar as in Wazapinin's post was what was fitted to the 6cyl as sold in Australia, the grille in the post by "coma" (linked by dark 51d3) is that of the 6cyl model before suffix "G" 1967-1969. No Series 2a's where sold in Aust with the plastic Series 3type grille, BUT there were a lot of farmers/graziers that requested the late 2a grille be fitted to the Series 3 on or before delivery new, as the plastic one didn't stand up to country use, (stones etc.)

hope that is of some help :) I should have the part No's somewhere.


cheers

[grill]

The grille on my Dad's old wide-light LWB IIA was all metal, but did not look like the one in the photo on the previous post - not evenly square mesh and narrow bit at the top with the LR badge a good bit wider than in the same photo.

Basically it was similar to the last of the narrow headlight models - verticals widely spaced and horizontals in `pairs' close spaced with gaps between each pair of about twice that spacing. Obviously also no indent for the headlights.

Cheers,

hi greetings..
im daniel...
im from indonesia..but i really love and admire australian land rover style...
thats why i joined here..
and according to these pics...
i really want to know about the background or history of these horizontal styles grill? it is a military? or is it a for 6cyl model?
and why these model released? is it has a special purpose?
cuz i have it too in my house,
heres the pics of my grill:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1267.jpg
or you see it here:
Daniel Prasetyo Martopo's Palace - My precious goodies n stuffs (http://himynameisdaniel.multiply.com/photos/album/3/My_precious_goodies_n_stuffs#13)

thanks before people,
i really love this grill..and that's why i really want to know about the history of the grill...
cuz this is the coolest series land rover grill I've ever seen and own..;)

thanks again.. :)
Go beyond..!

nb: sorry if my english is bad.. :D

[JackM]

My 4 cylinder S2A wears this type. I assume it is original.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1044.jpg


Jack

[grill]

My 4 cylinder S2A wears this type. I assume it is original.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1044.jpg


Jack

hi greetings jack...
its a cool landy there mate'..
i love the combination of the grill and the military style...
awesome..!
i wonder what is the original colour of the grill, because i saw some reference here..there are various colour..what is the original?
its that an olympic tires that you use?
anyway, do you have the size or dimension specification for the yellow plate there? in my country (indonesia), i've never seen people using that plate..and im planning to build myself..so if you had the dimension or the size, it will be very usefull to me..:)

thanks mate'...

[UncleHo]

G'day JackM :)

That grille you have fitted to your 2a is the one fitted to the late 2a 6cylinder vehicle, it might have been fitted to you vehicle while it was still in service, as the original 4 cyl grille might well have been NLA and a 6 cyl one was fitted, the grille that yours should have is that tpye fitted to WileE's vehicle, flat square mesh type is the 4 cyl one and the horizontal round bar is the 6cyl. both of these are now getting quite rare to find as the vehicles were only in production for a short time in comparison to the production of post 1951 Series1/2/2a with lights in grille panel.


cheers

[LWB123]

My 4 cylinder S2A wears this type. I assume it is original.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1044.jpg


Jack

Probably should give it away as a passing curiosity gone astray, but Uncle Ho has re-confirmed (I think, if I read it right) that the grille on my Dad's old 2A `wide-light' was only fitted to the 6 cylinders - suggested also earlier by a couple of others (Lotz-a-Landies?).

Happy to concede that part of that is correct from my viewpoint - my Dad's truck was an original LR six and still has its' original grille as described (same also as the photo submitted by JackM). This is basically the same pattern as that which was fitted to my old 69 2A SWB 4 cylinder (other than not having an indented section to allow for the narrower headlight alignment).

Problem remains for me is that both Wozapinin and JackM have also posted photos of what I understand to be 4 cylinder 2As with the same grille as my Dad's, but without the 6 cylinder badge. This is definitely a different pattern to the one that is in the photo that Shonky posted way back when this started. I note that JackM's truck appears to be a military restoration which might mean something, and Wozapinin did not specifically mention if his vehicle was 4 cylinder model.

Whatever, my best conclusion from all of this is that the 4 cylinder 2A `wide-light' models that were assembled and sold in Australia `may or may not' have had the same grille as the 6 cylinder 2As also assembled and sold in Australia.

Good luck to whoever asked the question in the first place.

Cheers,

Cheers,

[JackM]

i wonder what is the original colour of the grill, because i saw some reference here..there are various colour..what is the original?
its that an olympic tires that you use?
anyway, do you have the size or dimension specification for the yellow plate there? in my country (indonesia), i've never seen people using that plate..and im planning to build myself..so if you had the dimension or the size, it will be very usefull to me..:)

thanks mate'...

Hi Grill,

Don't know the original colour of the grill - it's green now !

The vehicle is wearing Olympic Steel Treks, which were/are standard military issue for later model Australian Army Landrovers.

The Bridge Classification Sign (ie the yellow plate) was used by allied military vehicles to determine if a vehicle of a certain loading could traverse a bridge (given the bridge's capacity). Both vehicle and bridge wore a number and if your vehicle's number was equal to or less than the bridge's, you could safely cross. Not used a lot after WW2.

The plate is 225mm (9 inches) wide with an 18mm (.75 inch) rim.

Good luck with your restoration. Done a bit of travelling in your country (Java, Lombok, Ambon etc) and always enjoyed the hospitality.



Jack

[grill]

thanks a lot JackM...:)
glad that you enjoy it..

:D