Cooper ST's on the way out

[mrapocalypse]

Lugs are starting to peel away! 65000k and 4 years old.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1357.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1358.jpg

I've seen worse. Sorry they are a bit blurry!

[p38arover]

Not a lot of tread left on that lower one, anyway.

[PAT303]

Mate they aren't doing anything different then what many other people including myself have already found out. Pat

[p38arover]

Mate they aren't doing anything different then what many other people including myself have already found out. Pat

Another person who uses "then" rather than "than".

As Prof. Julius Sumner Miller asked "Why is it so?"



Test your usage. Ask yourself these questions when you're writing a sentence:

If I write the word next instead of then, will the sentence still make sense?

I will go to the store next makes sense, so here we would say I will go to the store then.
I like apple better next oranges makes no sense. So we must be looking for I like apples better than oranges.


If I write the phrase in comparison to instead of than, will the sentence still make sense?

It costs more in comparison to a new car makes sense, so you'd want to say It costs more than a new car.
You'll never guess what happened to me in comparison to does not make sense at all. Now you'll know you want to say You'll never guess what happened to me then!

[V8Ian]

Another person who uses "then" rather than "than".

As Prof. Julius Sumner Miller asked "Why is it so?"



Test your usage. Ask yourself these questions when you're writing a sentence:

If I write the word next instead of then, will the sentence still make sense?

I will go to the store next makes sense, so here we would say I will go to the store then.
I like apple better next oranges makes no sense. So we must be looking for I like apples better than oranges.

If I write the phrase in comparison to instead of than, will the sentence still make sense?

It costs more in comparison to a new car makes sense, so you'd want to say It costs more than a new car.
You'll never guess what happened to me in comparison to does not make sense at all. Now you'll know you want to say You'll never guess what happened to me then!




Gosh, I wander what that's all about :D:D:D

[Redback]

Gosh, I wander what that's all about :D:D:D

Stop wandering and start wondering next then:p;)

Baz.

Edit:wasntme:

[PhilipA]

I don't know.
My mind wanders
and it also wonders.
Mostly why
we have threads like these.
Regards Philip A

[V8Ian]

Stop wandering and start wondering next then:p;)

Baz.

Edit:wasntme:
I was wandering as I was wondering, :confused: or was it the other way round? :wasntme:

[p38arover]

I don't know.
My mind wanders
and it also wonders.
Mostly why
we have threads like these.
Regards Philip A


Jeez! So we can go off-topic! :angel:

[Redback]

Lugs are starting to peel away! 65000k and 4 years old.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1357.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/1358.jpg

I've seen worse. Sorry they are a bit blurry!

What ratio of on and off road is that:confused:

Baz.

[weeds]

What ratio of on and off road is that:confused:

Baz.

would be interested as well

my bfg at's looked a lot worse after 15K thanks to the strzelecki track

[Randylandy]

Whats up with these Cooper tyres? I have had many comments from different people that they are having problems with coopers delaminating. I have ST on the jeep with 30,000km on them and still look like new however saw a ute that had some stt that were nearly bald that had only lasted 30,000km.

Do you do allot of beach driving as most of the blokes that have problems with delaminating do. My tyres seem very stiff in the sand and require a fair bit of deflation to get any traction but are brilliant in the clay and mud. Just wonder if excess deflation is the cause?

[Redback]

Whats up with these Cooper tyres? I have had many comments from different people that they are having problems with coopers delaminating. I have ST on the jeep with 30,000km on them and still look like new however saw a ute that had some stt that were nearly bald that had only lasted 30,000km.

Do you do allot of beach driving as most of the blokes that have problems with delaminating do. My tyres seem very stiff in the sand and require a fair bit of deflation to get any traction but are brilliant in the clay and mud. Just wonder if excess deflation is the cause?


No i do alot of outback, high country tracks, my first set of STs lasted 6000ks, the Stez and various other tracks including rocky shale tracks around Lithgow/Sunny Corner, did mine in, tore lugs completely off.

I have only ever had problems with Coopers, 3 sets in 56,000ks, warrenty covered the replacements, but it still cost us extra, we also had them rotated as per the warrenty garrentee and even had 2 Cooper reps inspect the tyres and pressures when claiming for warrenty replacement, the second rep told us that STTs would be more suitable for the type of terrain and driving we do, 25,000ks was the best we got from them:twisted::twisted:

Don't do beaches

Baz.

[jmkoffice]

First set of Cooper ST’s, end-of-life was 75,000 km. Current set of Cooper ST's @ 50,000 km with at least 15 – 20,000 km to go - however due to intense rock climbing, many lugs are now missing. In both sets, I have found @ around 45 - 50,000 km the vehicle is noisier and tends to track more. It’s as if the tyre compound has hardening or something…..

FYI, I have used BFG A/T's and this set of Cooper ST's on the Strzelecki track and both exhibited stone pitting in the tread. This is OK as you wear through the pitting over time.

Will have to research what brand to try next…….

[Koukandowie Brangus]

No i do alot of outback, high country tracks, my first set of STs lasted 6000ks, the Stez and various other tracks including rocky shale tracks around Lithgow/Sunny Corner, did mine in, tore lugs completely off.

I have only ever had problems with Coopers, 3 sets in 56,000ks, warrenty covered the replacements, but it still cost us extra, we also had them rotated as per the warrenty garrentee and even had 2 Cooper reps inspect the tyres and pressures when claiming for warrenty replacement, the second rep told us that STTs would be more suitable for the type of terrain and driving we do, 25,000ks was the best we got from them:twisted::twisted:

Don't do beaches

Baz.


STT+ROCKS=MULTIPLE TORN OFF LUGS

come have a look at my 130, they have done 14 000km, the rear ones are completely shagged and the front ones are like brand new?? dunno how that works with constant 4wd????

[CraigE]

I have STT's and they have done about 65,000kms which is fair for this sort of tyre, especially when used on road as well. Has also seen a lot of off road use. Still not the 80,000kms they spruik, but not bad either.
You have to remeber it depends on where and how you use the tyre. In Kambalda we would be lucky to get 5 - 10,000kms out of the Dunlops on the work ute as a lot was gravel road.
Horses for courses.

[V8Ian]

I have Eldorado (made in the Cooper factory), not originally my tyre of choice, charged them to a nonpaying boss's account. First rotation done at 35k, now done 56k, still only 1/2 to 2/3 worn. This milage includes the Strez, which incidentally was a superior track to the bitumen east of the Qld border.

[Redback]

STT+ROCKS=MULTIPLE TORN OFF LUGS

come have a look at my 130, they have done 14 000km, the rear ones are completely shagged and the front ones are like brand new?? dunno how that works with constant 4wd????

Mate I'm hearing ya, the performance of the tyre is good, BUT, if you do alot of rocks they don't last, I tore lugs off right down to the steel belt, the Cooper rep was stunned.

We also tow a 1.5ton trailer, so spinning wheels on steep rocky climbs are common.

Baz.

[mrapocalypse]

Heaps of beach work, regular trips to straddie at 16psi in the sand! And a fair bit of dirt road loaded with work gear, at about 30PSI for long dirt hauls.

No huge desert trips or gibber!

I would say 10-15% off bitumen MAX- but certainly not an outback car and not a lot of rocky shelf climbing stuff.

The Landy only has 87000K on the clock in 8 years!

They are starting to misbehave on the road but they were always pretty sketchy in the wet!

Dunno what to go for next! I've had these things on for so long I'm sick of the sight of them.....

KM2 and STT are a bit too aggressive! As are MTZ and MTR! i have been happy with the mileage of the ST's.

[Teks]

Check out this site, it might affect you.
Tire Defects Lawyer | Tire Failures, Defective Tire Tread Separations and Tire Recalls | Tire Failure Lawsuit Attorney (Nationwide Legal Assistance) (http://www.tiredefects.com)
Other brands that have been recalled are -


Bridgestone
Continental
Cooper Tire
Firestone Tire
General
Goodyear
Kelly Springfield
Yokohama


Admittedly the above site deals with the US but given the global legal precedents a warranty claim here would most likely succeed.

BTW, not too many Coopers have been recalled in Australia!

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

Wouldn't have a Firestone anything on my vehicles! it was a new Firestone that gave me my wonderfull legs, way back in 1973 :(

Same as they are now saying that tyres have a 5 year lifespan from date of manufacture, not from date of sale, I am old enough to remember conventional type tyres in general use, and 10year old tyres were common without problems, BUT, in those days everybody checked their tyre pressures regularly.


cheers

[CraigE]

We have Cooper ST-C tyres on the Nissan Ambulance and rescue trailer. Last week staked an ambo tyre straight through a tread block, same as happened to my STT 3 weeks after putting them on. The ambo tyre is non repairable and has done 2,000kms. No warranty as is for commercial use.
At least my STT was repairable and still on until now. New tyres soon. Yet to decide what, depending on what I can get down here.

[CraigE]

Look like trying a set of Hankook ST03's. $264 each fitted. Wranglers $360ea, Duellers around $340-360, BFG $350-400. Limited range down here. Maxxis, Coopers and Mickey Thompson not available down here.

[PAT303]

Craig drive to kal and fit a set of maxxis for $270 each.Don't waste time with hankooks,there only good for burning in a signal fire. Pat

[rick130]

G'day Folks :)

Wouldn't have a Firestone anything on my vehicles! it was a new Firestone that gave me my wonderfull legs, way back in 1973 :(

<snip>


cheers

Firestone is owned/made by Bridgestone these days.

Of course it was Bridestone made Firestones that were implicated in the infamous Ford Explorer roll overs too, although it looks like the finger is now pointed back at Ford and its suspension set up.

[PAT303]

It was a bit of both me thinks Rick.My boss had one for 2 weeks and rolled it between the 'Gong and Picton in the wet,the insurance company gave him a new one but he declined,he recons that it always felt as though the car hinged in the middle and once it stepped out it was unrecoverable. Pat