Ruds Hand Out

[landy63]

:mad:Here we go again , not a bloody thing for self fundeed retired persons , Lost A good % of super , no way to recover , Get penalised if we take it out of fund and put in Bank , Makes one wonder why we just didnt spend it all and go the pension . Roll on next Election
Rant over , have a nice one .:)

[rangieman]

As the saying goes ,You can please some of the people some of the time not all of the people all of the time ;)
Do you realy think another political party would of done anything different ,maybe look after their rich friends then all the poorer class citizens would be whinging :cool:
So wishing for the next election will do what if your vote does not get the result you wish for
Politicians are all in it for them selves and their mates , We just pay their wages
Now can we start a post on religion :wasntme::p

[landy63]

As the saying goes ,You can please some of the people some of the time not all of the people all of the time ;)
Do you realy think another political party would of done anything different ,maybe look after their rich friends then all the poorer class citizens would be whinging :cool:
So wishing for the next election will do what if your vote does not get the result you wish for
Politicians are all in it for them selves and their mates , We just pay their wages
Now can we start a post on religion :wasntme::p

Ditto , if nothing else it would make me feel better .:p

[Xavie]

I seem to understand from the news he will be giving me free roof insulation!!! I'm just waiting for the catch.

[Chucaro]

Does not matter which party we have in command of Australia, both are run by rich people for the rich population.
If they start showing some guts and care for this beautifull country they should bring back the manufacture base, nationalize the petroleum, coal and ore.
Bring back Port Kembla, Newcastle and Whyalla to full production on the hands of the people not the multinationals.
Today the president of Brazil released part of their solution which it is not bad for a "3rd country"
1/2 millon new houses for 2009 and another 1/2 millon for 2010.
The petroleum is belong to Brazil so 179 billon dollars from the petroleum will be directed to infraestructure and help the poor.

Just wonder how many beautifull things we can do in Oz if the petroleum and minerals were belong to the people :angel:

[81stubee]

Just seen the news too.

A question - How is giving $950 going to help the "Australian" Economy?

Why can't the gov't inititiate a massive infrastructure project, such as a solar plant in mildura or a Melb/Canberra/Sydney High Speed Train and demand that ~80% must be sourced/engineered in Australia. It would sure give manufacturing a boost, which has been dying for a very long time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love $950 but won't most of that go to buying DVD Players and TV's etc!! And where are TV's made??? IMHO this is a great way to stimulate china's economy and not our own.

I'm starting to feel like KRUDD has been a big CON!:mad:

STU :mad:

[Rosscoe68]

this will cause a stir. In my opinion rudd has just bought himself some more votes. the kind of ppl that voted for him in the first place are "usually" (please forgive for the generalisation) the sort of people that live off the government anyhow. single parents, low income couples with several children and the likes. people that try and make themselves nondependant on the government by property investment or the likes get nothing. yes, it annoys me that the taxes i pay get handed out to other people and i get zip. only one thing that may be a go is the insulation thing, i might get some worth, although theres probly a catch so investors dont get it.

[Chucaro]

Just seen the news too.


Why can't the gov't inititiate a massive infrastructure project, such as a solar plant in mildura or a Melb/Canberra/Sydney High Speed Train and demand that ~80% must be sourced/engineered in Australia. It would sure give manufacturing a boost, which has been dying for a very long time.
!:mad:

STU :mad:

They do not like to build massive projects because they cannot sell them now to their mates or big corporations.
Mates and corporations cannot get easy loand now and infraestructures belong to the people is out of question :(

[Rosscoe68]

Bring back Port Kembla, Newcastle and Whyalla to full production on the hands of the people not the multinationals.

then the dock unions would block again and demand more wages and the govt is in their .........
meh, not worth it, heh

[Tombie]

Does not matter which party we have in command of Australia, both are run by rich people for the rich population.
If they start showing some guts and care for this beautifull country they should bring back the manufacture base, nationalize the petroleum, coal and ore.
Bring back Port Kembla, Newcastle and Whyalla to full production on the hands of the people not the multinationals.
Today the president of Brazil released part of their solution which it is not bad for a "3rd country"
1/2 millon new houses for 2009 and another 1/2 millon for 2010.
The petroleum is belong to Brazil so 179 billon dollars from the petroleum will be directed to infraestructure and help the poor.

Just wonder how many beautifull things we can do in Oz if the petroleum and minerals were belong to the people :angel:

Whyalla is Australian Owned and Operated...
Newcastle is Australian Owned and Operated...

And until economic world crisis Whyalla was at full capacity... (I should know!)

[Chucaro]

then the dock unions would block again and demand more wages and the govt is in their .........
meh, not worth it, heh

Oh well the money will go to the workers and not in big pay to the CEO ;)

[numpty]

this will cause a stir. In my opinion rudd has just bought himself some more votes. the kind of ppl that voted for him in the first place are "usually" (please forgive for the generalisation) the sort of people that live off the government anyhow. single parents, low income couples with several children and the likes. people that try and make themselves nondependant on the government by property investment or the likes get nothing. yes, it annoys me that the taxes i pay get handed out to other people and i get zip. only one thing that may be a go is the insulation thing, i might get some worth, although theres probly a catch so investors dont get it.

Forget the "generalisation", that statement is bollocks.

I've said it before so I'll say it again......swinging voters change governments. Your statement suggests that these swinging voters are astute when they vote for the incumbents, but bludgers when they vote the other way.:eek:

[Rosscoe68]

now that is where the govt should be concentrating. stop the stupid high pays to ceo's. the world is in recession, where are the ceo's going to go if they arent getting a good enough pay here, that was always the excuse for them getting paid so high, that we would lose them to overseas companies. not going to happen now though is it.

[Tombie]

now that is where the govt should be concentrating. stop the stupid high pays to ceo's. the world is in recession, where are the ceo's going to go if they arent getting a good enough pay here, that was always the excuse for them getting paid so high, that we would lose them to overseas companies. not going to happen now though is it.

WHAT A CROCK OF ****

SO they earn a truck load of cash...

Isnt that YOUR goal in your job? To earn the best pay rate / salary you can for the job you do?

You wouldnt whine if you were making that much a year would you!


**** ME... The "I wants" just bitch and bitch..... :mad:

We have a great country - Governments come and go.. Along with their BS policies... Get used to it you lot... We're actually a really good country to live in...

[Pedro_The_Swift]

now that is where the govt should be concentrating. stop the stupid high pays to ceo's. the world is in recession, where are the ceo's going to go if they arent getting a good enough pay here, that was always the excuse for them getting paid so high, that we would lose them to overseas companies. not going to happen now though is it.


so Roscoe,,
which party PUT (allowed) those CEO's in their high paying gigs---


?


The Good Ole Libs,,


my heart bleeds for property investors,,,

[DiscoTDI]

I'm starting to feel like KRUDD has been a big CON!:mad:



You have just summed up most of the politicians:(

[Rosscoe68]

actually just reread what i typed, and i typed it incorrectly, i didnt mean to say that those people live off the government, that implies dole and pensioners, thats not what i was indicating, perhaps what i should have said was people that rely on the government for the parental payments etc.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Do you know parents that give the payments back Roscoe?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

again,,

Do you know LIBERAL voting parents that gave Rudds baby bonus back?

[Rosscoe68]

Isnt that YOUR goal in your job? To earn the best pay rate / salary you can for the job you do?

You wouldnt whine if you were making that much a year would you!


**** ME... The "I wants" just bitch and bitch..... :mad:

We have a great country - Governments come and go.. Along with their BS policies... Get used to it you lot... We're actually a really good country to live in...

actually no, i have always gone for a job that i enjoy and usually has a low payrate, and rely on investments for my income.
but yes i agree we are actually probably one of the best western countries to live in.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

like explaining exactly what was incorrect?

hmm?

[Rosscoe68]

Backpeddling very very fast Rosscoe :D:D:twisted:

nope, not backpeddling, just correcting something i said that was not what i meant, i stil beleive this economic stimulus package is all a farce.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Hey Rosscoe,,!

we agree on something!:D

[Rosscoe68]

Do you know parents that give the payments back Roscoe?

no, but i work computer/electrical retail, and i see plenty of them spending on big plasma's and laptops etc for kids that are not even old enough to sit in a car without a car booster seat.

p.s. all of which is made overseas, so very little benefit to the local economy other than jerry harvey making some more cash.

[Fusion]

actually just reread what i typed, and i typed it incorrectly, i didnt mean to say that those people live off the government, that implies dole and pensioners, thats not what i was indicating, perhaps what i should have said was people that rely on the government for the parental payments etc.

What's wrong with getting the parenting payment . If it wasn't for it i could tell you now we would be in a gutter asking for change . we bust our butt's just as hard as anyone else . It's just our jobs pay bugger all . we have never been in a spot to have investments or been lucky enough to have any .

I'll be happy the day we can support ourselves and not need it . but until then it's also putting food on the table for us and our kids .

[Chucaro]

What's wrong with getting the parenting payment . If it wasn't for it i could tell you now we would be in a gutter asking for change . we bust our butt's just as hard as anyone else . It's just our jobs pay bugger all . we have never been in a spot to have investments or been lucky enough to have any .

I'll be happy the day we can support ourselves and not need it . but until then it's also putting food on the table for us and our kids .

:clap2:

[Rosscoe68]

very simply put, instead of handouts to certain people, why not tax cuts for low to middle income earners, that way you are not penalised if you dont have children. p.s. i dont earn enough money at present to pay tax, so i still would not get anything, but i still feel that would be a lot more fair.

[Rosscoe68]

What's wrong with getting the parenting payment .
I'll be happy the day we can support ourselves and not need it . but until then it's also putting food on the table for us and our kids .

i dont have a problem with people getting it, i have a problem that people that can't or dont want to have kids get nothing.
and then if you take it one step further, people have to pay for invitro say they can have kids. why dont they get a handout ?

[81stubee]

What's wrong with getting the parenting payment . If it wasn't for it i could tell you now we would be in a gutter asking for change . we bust our butt's just as hard as anyone else . It's just our jobs pay bugger all . we have never been in a spot to have investments or been lucky enough to have any .

I'll be happy the day we can support ourselves and not need it . but until then it's also putting food on the table for us and our kids .

I think what rosscoe is trying to say is, that from what he sees in his job is families (term used loosely) that would rather spend the money on a new TV or Grog, than saving the money to spend on school excursions and the like.

This does not apply to families like yours Fusion, you sound like an honest hard working lot, but Giving government handouts as big fat cheques is a waste of time to help the economy. To really help, they need to be able to control where the money is spent.

My Mrs will probably receive a cheque, and that money will go towards the new engine for the car, which in turn will be spent at an engine rebuilder, who will buy from a supplier, who will... the chain goes on, and hopefully it gets kept in Oz. and not go to some CEO who earns more money than can be spent in one year. And why does Sol Trujillo (spelling) earn $10mil per year, I mean how many ferraris can you buy? Why not an honest days pay for an honest days job/responisbility, without being excessive.


Stu

[Fusion]

Thanks mate . Understand now all is good . :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Dont forget,, this is what the money was for,,
new telly's etc,,

and the logistics stream behind that new telly, sitting on the shop stand, has a few ozzie jobs involved.

[Rosscoe68]

i still reckon across the board tax breaks rather than handouts

[BilboBoggles]

In my personal opinion:

For those people who bag families for getting handouts etc, just consider what will happen to you in 20 30 40 years time when you are old and dribbling in a nursing home. Who's going to be funding that nurse who is feeding you? That's right the children of today. Without a continuous flow of new tax payers to replenish the worn out stock - then society will collapse, and the old, and frail will end up in the gutters.

Encouraging child production is important to your long term health - at some stage you are going to need them. (Even if you think you are self funded - that is not true unless you own tons of gold, your investments are most likely being supported by the younger generation working.)

[81stubee]

Dont forget,, this is what the money was for,,
new telly's etc,,

and the logistics stream behind that new telly, sitting on the shop stand, has a few ozzie jobs involved.

This might sound insensitive but wouldn't it be better to keep people in Full-Time jobs than part time ones.

Incase you didn't notice i'm pushing for a major infrastructure project. Melbourne's Public Transport is completely STUFFED, I'm sure sydney is not far behind, wouldn't a major infrastructure project get lots of people employed, and at the end of the day we would have something to show for it. What did we get out of the last Hand-Out?

OUR PLANET is screwed, OUR ECONOMY is stuffed, isn't it about time we learnt from our MISTAKES, and tried to change things for the better :angel:

Stu

P.S. NCIS is on on Chanel 10 now :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Great idea!

or how about a water pipeline from oh, lets say Ingham(:p)
to the rest of Australia?

Lots of BIG things we could spend LOTS of dollars on,,

rather than LG tellys:mad:

[Gooner]

Dont forget,, this is what the money was for,,
new telly's etc,,

and the logistics stream behind that new telly, sitting on the shop stand, has a few ozzie jobs involved.

If that telly was made here, or even assembled here, I could see your point...maybe. Unpacking that telly off the big boat and driving it to Harvey Norman is going to do absolutely squat for employment.

We needed a package that generated a continous demand for jobs (infrastructure projects) - not one off domestic purchases that sees the money heading overseas.

[Chucaro]

If we carry on like this someone is going to suggest to threw a shoe at some politicians :D

[Tombie]

MOD HAT ON

Tombie you should know by now that personal attacks are not allowed on this forum

You need to step back and take another direction please

Sorry NM....

[crump]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

and that goes for BOTH parties.:mad:

[LandyAndy]

Why $950?????
Its too hard to do the maths,a simple $1000 would be better.
3x1000=3000,MUCH EASIER!!!!! 1G each for me and Deb being taxpayers and 1G for Lindsay being in year10:cool::cool::cool:.
I will take the $$$ but believe its wrong.
He is buying elector support.
TOP MARKS for the school $$$ he is spending,ITS NEEDED!!!!
As pointed out,what about self funded and those about to retire,I have several friends in both camps,THEY ARE GETTING FLOGGED,both by the downturn and by the government.At least ease tax laws on withdrawing $$$ left tied up in decaying super accounts.
Better off in my opinion with across the board tax relief.
Andrew

[Fusion]

Hey Crump . I like the other warning one better . the white defender one :D;) . Just my opinion :angel:

[Gooner]

Bagging Kevin Rudd is hardy productive nor fair. He is not the cause of all the countries problems. He inherited most of them from the previous govt. :(

So bagging John Howard and the Libs is productive and fair???
Wonder where Kevin thinks all this money he is splashing around actually came from.

[Tombie]

OK lets understand the reason for the handout...


An OFFICIAL recession is 3 months of zero/ negative growth...

By doing the handout in December they removed the 3rd month into positive and cancelled the official recession...

Interestingly the NEXT handout is in the next "3rd" month and will cancel the OFFICIAL recession again...


See whats happening here?

[Davy]

How much does anyone want to bet me both parties will be in my town very soon promising and vote catching?

Davy

[hoadie72]

Better off in my opinion with across the board tax relief.


I think the IMF came out last week and said tax relief doesn't make any difference - it doesn't encourage people to spend or something to that effect; they'll either save the extra take home income or put it into their mortgage or pay off credit cards. I guess getting a largish lump sump payment encourages people to go out and spend.

All speculation on my part tho :D

[hoadie72]

So bagging John Howard and the Libs is productive and fair???
Wonder where Kevin thinks all this money he is splashing around actually came from.

Well it's not going to be coming from the resources sector, who propped up the economy for the last few years!

[BilboBoggles]

How about.

Get rid of FBT. For the next 5 years allow employers to salary package anything. This would encourage people to go out and get new cars boats laptops etc.

[Davy]

Great idea!

or how about a water pipeline from oh, lets say Ingham(:p)
to the rest of Australia?

Lots of BIG things we could spend LOTS of dollars on,,

rather than LG tellys:mad:



Where are you going to find a pipe THAT big!

Can you set it up tonight PLEASE!!

[maddos]

this will cause a stir. In my opinion rudd has just bought himself some more votes. the kind of ppl that voted for him in the first place are "usually" (please forgive for the generalisation) the sort of people that live off the government anyhow. single parents, low income couples with several children and the likes. people that try and make themselves nondependant on the government by property investment or the likes get nothing. yes, it annoys me that the taxes i pay get handed out to other people and i get zip. only one thing that may be a go is the insulation thing, i might get some worth, although theres probly a catch so investors dont get it.

Hmm, that is a large generalisation. Given that Rudd won the last election and assuming most of the population knew where their preferences were being directed, that means according to your description, more than 50% of the population live off the govt., are single parents, or low income couples with several children. hmmm.....

[101 Ron]

My 950 dollars will just go back to the government in the tax increases I get every year.
So what is the point.
The roof insulation thing doesn't do much except to make the government feel green.
How much energy goes into making glass wool.....the mining the energy to transport and melt the materials........most people do not take into account the life cycle of things.
I am not against the idea of insulation in houses, but the best time to fit it is when the house is new.
The country is going into deep dept and the curent and next generation will be stuck wasting money paying interest on a principal which we may not pay back.
It would be wiser to spend smaller amounts of money on roads ,ports, rail, dams and bridges with contracts going to small local Australian firms where possible.( we will own these things instead of a chinese tv company )
That way the economy is helped in the right way as small business is the back bone of Aust and we end up with thing which will help us in the future instead of a may or may not work one shot effort.
Payroll tax is a employment tax and should be scrapped and taxes reduced for Aust companys which employ apprentices and produce goods.

[Gooner]

I recall somebody on the radio floating the idea of employers paying the 9% employee super contribution direct to the employees for 12 months rather then into the super funds.
Makes a bit of sense given we will be lucky to see a + return again this year. The employers have to pay it anyway and it would inject huge amounts of money into the economy.

[crump]

To use a familiar expression, "Mod Hat On". This thread is politically based, SO there will be differences of opinion, just keep it at a discussional level everyone.;)

[Coastie]

Hmm, that is a large generalisation. Given that Rudd won the last election and assuming most of the population knew where their preferences were being directed, that means according to your description, more than 50% of the population live off the govt., are single parents, or low income couples with several children. hmmm.....

I think you will find the Bureau of Stats supports that more than 50% of the population is on financial support pensions of some sought either dole, aged, carers or health incapacitated. The minority are in the fulltime workforce.

My feeling is to have investment in our roads, get all the roads up to scratch from the pot holed Bruce Highway to start with. The many skilled workers from the mines could be employed in this type of work to see them through the downturn.

[defmec]

its funny browsing tru forums and seeing all the experts come out of the woodwork and state their incompetent ideas of how the political parties should run the economy without any knowledge of economics or social politics . the economy is incredibly complex so if you think you have all the answers and labors economists and treasury has it wrong then why arnt you in politics but if your posting comments based on personal and emotional reasons then im glad your not running this country

[p38arover]

The roof insulation thing doesn't do much except to make the government feel green.
How much energy goes into making glass wool.....the mining the energy to transport and melt the materials........most people do not take into account the life cycle of things.
I am not against the idea of insulation in houses, but the best time to fit it is when the house is new.

Agreed that's when it should be installed but as the life cycle of a house is generally in the region of 50+ years, maybe many houses could still benefit.

If the roll-out of smart electricity meters means that peak time electricity use will cost $2/kwh, then the reduction of heat load into a house could soon pay for the insulation.

I wonder if we had some big infrastructure projects how long would it be before the govt. of the day sold them off to private industry.