Want more power in your Defender?

[dmdigital]

For those of you who think the Puma has a piddly little 2.4L have a read of this thread on Defender2.net: Defender TDV6 (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic656.html)
(or just skip to the page 2 and read from there;))




Mmmmm a Puma with a TDV8 would purrrrrr:cool:

[Camo]

aww yeah

They should make a luxury model with the TDV8.. to go against the Merc G Class

[PAT303]

With the new 3.0ltr in the disco3 the ''old'' 2.7 would go nice in the fender. Pat

[dullbird]

I tell you what Pete (if you still reading this forum) you are a clever clever cookie.......and i feel happy that we have clever people like yourselves that chose to grace themselves upon the land rover community

[TimNZ]

I want one! Where! When! How! NOW!

[sniegy]

Hmmmmmmm!......

TDV6.....Hmmmmm.:clap2:

Auto....Hmmmmm.:TakeABow::arms:

I am eagerly watching this (that) space also.:p

[dmdigital]

Hmmmmmmm!......

TDV6.....Hmmmmm.:clap2:

Auto....Hmmmmm.:TakeABow::arms:

I am eagerly watching this (that) space also.:p
Did you read page 2 :confused:... It says they have mated a TDV8 to the 6 speed box and run it :)

Hmmm TDV6 or TDV8:)

[PAT303]

TDV8 six speed auto,cut rear body off so it's a 110 duel cab,I would settle for the V6,the V8 is too much of a good thing.LR are you listening,don't forget airbags so I can have two,one for work and one for play. Pat

[sniegy]

Did you read page 2 :confused:... It says they have mated a TDV8 to the 6 speed box and run it :)

Hmmm TDV6 or TDV8:)
Derek,
I would be very happy with the TDV6, I would be in trouble if i had the TDV8....
It makes me smile tho':)

[Bush65]

Derek,
I would be very happy with the TDV6, I would be in trouble if i had the TDV8....
It makes me smile tho':)
Someone (QLD from memory but not sure if he is on this board or outers) is putting in a Duramax V8 diesel in a 130.

Comparing Duramax to a TDV6 would be like comparing TDV8 to a 300Tdi.

[rick130]

Someone (QLD from memory but not sure if he is on this board or outers) is putting in a Duramax V8 diesel in a 130.

Comparing Duramax to a TDV6 would be like comparing TDV8 to a 300Tdi.

The new 4.5l Duramax looks interesting.
It has a 72* bank angle and the turbo (and exhaust and catalyst and particulate filter) is in the V.
Inlet ports are cast into the outer side of the heads, directly above the valves, and the inlet manifold becomes the rocker cover.
It is designed to fit anywhere the petrol smallblock V8 fits.

310 HP, 520 lb/ft of torque.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/943.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/944.jpg

And before anyone whinges that it's a GM engine, there's a fair bit of (mostly ?) Isuzu in all the Duramax's. :p

[Gaz69]

Bush65 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post913070.html#post913070)

Someone (QLD from memory but not sure if he is on this board or outers) is putting in a Duramax V8 diesel in a 130.

Comparing Duramax to a TDV6 would be like comparing TDV8 to a 300Tdi.


That would be me. I have the 6.6 LTR LBZ and Allison 6 speed auto mounted in my 130 but have yet to sort out my spud shaft yet. Shifting from VIC to S.A in the last few weeks has slowed progress.

Good to see someone shoving the new 3.6 TDV8 in a defender. I basically went for the Duramax because they are more readliy available than rover v6 or V8 diesels and cause everyone said that ia 6.6LTR would not fit!

[sniegy]

Bush65 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post913070.html#post913070)


That would be me. I have the 6.6 LTR LBZ and Allison 6 speed auto mounted in my 130 but have yet to sort out my spud shaft yet. Shifting from VIC to S.A in the last few weeks has slowed progress.

Good to see someone shoving the new 3.6 TDV8 in a defender. I basically went for the Duramax because they are more readliy available than rover v6 or V8 diesels and cause everyone said that ia 6.6LTR would not fit!

You know the :rulez:

Didnt happen without pic's.

That sounds sensational.:burnrubber:

Keep us posted with the outcome Gaz69.

All the best.;)

[isuzubob]

[B][I]That would be me. I have the 6.6 LTR LBZ and Allison 6 speed auto mounted in my 130 but have yet to sort out my spud shaft yet. /I]

Do you know what type/model Allison it is?

Rob

[PAT303]

That all sounds good but is everything within reach for servicing when it's fitted or do I grow tripple jointed elbo's to work on it?. Pat

[rick130]

That all sounds good but is everything within reach for servicing when it's fitted or do I grow tripple jointed elbo's to work on it?. Pat

Being able to access, service and repair ? Now that's a novel idea Pat :D

[Gaz69]

isuzubob Wrote:



Do you know what type/model Allison it is?
Rob

Rob, It is the Allison 1000 6 speed that came with the duramax.

rick130 Wote

Originally Posted by PAT303 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post914331.html#post914331)
That all sounds good but is everything within reach for servicing when it's fitted or do I grow tripple jointed elbo's to work on it?. Pat
Being able to access, service and repair ? Now that's a novel idea Pat :D My tdi300 130 is not the exactly the eastiest of vehicles to service. I do all my own servicing , modifications, maintenance so if it is a bit tight under the bonnet with the Duramax i can live with it! I am remote mounting the oil and fuel filters so it will be easier to maintain than the TDI300. Any vehicle is a compromise and i am prepared to live with it and enjoy the grunt of a V8 and good ecoconomy of a diesel. I have all the diagnostic software for this engine so have no reservations about reliabilty.

Gaz

[Gaz69]

Sniegy Wrote:


You know the :rulez:

Didnt happen without pic's.

That sounds sensational.:burnrubber:

Keep us posted with the outcome Gaz69.

All the best.;)


I subscribed yesterday so when INC/Paypal clears the payment and i work out how to post photos i will post some PICS.

Cheers Gaz

[justinc]

That would be me. I have the 6.6 LTR LBZ and Allison 6 speed auto mounted in my 130 but have yet to sort out my spud shaft yet. Shifting from VIC to S.A in the last few weeks has slowed progress.

[/QUOTE]

Hi Gaz,
this is a dream combination for me. That auto is a beautiful thing...Can't wait for the pics, and yes, I was also told ' Don't be an idiot, it'll never fit' when I asked a few diesel conversion places for info about the engine and trans etc so I could go about fitting one to the RR:twisted:. Shortsighted and downright rude some of them were, I can tell you:mad:

Keep up the good work!:)

JC

[CraigE]

Bush65 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post913070.html#post913070)


That would be me. I have the 6.6 LTR LBZ and Allison 6 speed auto mounted in my 130 but have yet to sort out my spud shaft yet. Shifting from VIC to S.A in the last few weeks has slowed progress.

Good to see someone shoving the new 3.6 TDV8 in a defender. I basically went for the Duramax because they are more readliy available than rover v6 or V8 diesels and cause everyone said that ia 6.6LTR would not fit!
Gaz,
A tutorial on this conversion would be fantastic and I am sure we can get it as a sticky somewhere when you get time. Details of modifications, parts and equipment suppliers and dramas you come up against would be a bonus and very valuable to the fraternity. I for one would be looking at this option when the TD5 gets tired.
Cheers
CraigE

[PAT303]

I'm with JC that auto is sweet,I have one on the back of a 24valve cummins in my acco,that would turn a defender into an interceptor.Another good choice would be the Hino TD4 in thier light truck range,I don't know the engine name but I measured it up and it is the same size as the Isuzu 3.9. Pat

[rick130]

isuzubob Wrote:


Rob, It is the Allison 1000 6 speed that came with the duramax.

rick130 Wote
My tdi300 130 is not the exactly the eastiest of vehicles to service. I do all my own servicing , modifications, maintenance so if it is a bit tight under the bonnet with the Duramax i can live with it! I am remote mounting the oil and fuel filters so it will be easier to maintain than the TDI300. Any vehicle is a compromise and i am prepared to live with it and enjoy the grunt of a V8 and good ecoconomy of a diesel. I have all the diagnostic software for this engine so have no reservations about reliabilty.

Gaz

I thought Pat and I were talking about the 4.5 with the turbo, etc in the vee, or at least I was ;)

[Gaz69]

rick130 wrote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaz69 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post914635.html#post914635)
isuzubob Wrote:


Rob, It is the Allison 1000 6 speed that came with the duramax.

rick130 Wote
My tdi300 130 is not the exactly the eastiest of vehicles to service. I do all my own servicing , modifications, maintenance so if it is a bit tight under the bonnet with the Duramax i can live with it! I am remote mounting the oil and fuel filters so it will be easier to maintain than the TDI300. Any vehicle is a compromise and i am prepared to live with it and enjoy the grunt of a V8 and good ecoconomy of a diesel. I have all the diagnostic software for this engine so have no reservations about reliabilty.

Gaz

I thought Pat and I were talking about the 4.5 with the turbo, etc in the vee, or at least I was ;)
My answer is that if you can squeeze in a 6.6ltr duramax under a defender bonnet the new 4.5 ltr duramax is going to be a piece of cake;). Might be a while before they are released in the states with the poo that GM is in!

Cheers Gaz

[rick130]

rick130 wrote My answer is that if you can squeeze in a 6.6ltr duramax under a defender bonnet the new 4.5 ltr duramax is going to be a piece of cake;). Might be a while before they are released in the states with the poo that GM is in!

Cheers Gaz

Which is why I posted a pic of it as the packaging is very tight, a lot tighter than the 6.6.

[DirtyDawg]

That would be me. I have the 6.6 LTR LBZ and Allison 6 speed auto mounted in my 130 but have yet to sort out my spud shaft yet. Shifting from VIC to S.A in the last few weeks has slowed progress.



Hi Gaz,
this is a dream combination for me. That auto is a beautiful thing...Can't wait for the pics, and yes, I was also told ' Don't be an idiot, it'll never fit' when I asked a few diesel conversion places for info about the engine and trans etc so I could go about fitting one to the RR:twisted:. Shortsighted and downright rude some of them were, I can tell you:mad:

Keep up the good work!:)

JC[/quote]


I had the same response here Justin with a certain Diesel V8 company in Brunswick WA. TDV8 sounds nice but how much are they?

[Bush65]

Duramax in a Patrol (http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic144308-0.php)

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLPfMOLLO8
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=e-S51pmNDq4
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4B-RUF3eQ
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wzOPq34pM

Stock but tuned - dips in curve due to wheel spinhttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/657.jpg

[Bush65]

That all sounds good but is everything within reach for servicing when it's fitted or do I grow tripple jointed elbo's to work on it?. Pat
Read in a thread on thread on LR4x4 forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=37982), that to service the turbo on TDV6, the body has to come off and is a 40 hour job.

[abaddonxi]

That all sounds good but is everything within reach for servicing when it's fitted or do I grow tripple jointed elbo's to work on it?. Pat
Read in a thread on thread on LR4x4 forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=37982), that to service the turbo on TDV6, the body has to come off and is a 40 hour job.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-zone/71558-rear-bumper-counterweights.html

[Gaz69]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/513.jpg
Hope this works!!!

Photo showing Dad giving me a hand day before christmas giving the engine 1st run. Took us quite a while to sort the wiring out. Lot of work to go!

Cheers Gaz

[rick130]

Looking good Gaz.
It fits fine in and is easy to work on in that photo :D

[PAT303]

Read in a thread on thread on LR4x4 forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=37982), that to service the turbo on TDV6, the body has to come off and is a 40 hour job.

TDV8 cruisers need the engine removed to change the starter even though it's in the valley.Anything bellow the rocker covers needs the engine removed.Jap cars have been like that for years. Pat

[frantic]

I actually sent a letter to LR asking them if they wanted to give the market away ! If the "toy boys" can put a de-tuned version off their v8 turbo diesel into a front coil/rear LEAF sprung imitation why the hell couldnt they put a equally powerful 3.6v8 td :rocket:detuned from the rr sport into an all coil defender in the name off competition!! :mad:

The price difference at the moment is almost $10,000 so if Land Rover where serious they could have stuck a 3.6v8 td in and still been 2-3k under the cost off the toyo designed in 76! Instead we get a "tarted up" defender with seats that should be standard and an extra 17K on the price for nice paint n a few stickers!!!:mad:

[XSiV]

Gaz,
A tutorial on this conversion would be fantastic and I am sure we can get it as a sticky somewhere when you get time. Details of modifications, parts and equipment suppliers and dramas you come up against would be a bonus and very valuable to the fraternity. I for one would be looking at this option when the TD5 gets tired.
Cheers
CraigE

I second that motion, though I think the 4.5 would be plenty and in saying that I hope the td5 lasts quite a few years yet.

Good work Gaz I'm watching with keen interest and look forward to more photos.

[Gaz69]

XSiV wrote
Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigE https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post914652.html#post914652)
Gaz,
A tutorial on this conversion would be fantastic and I am sure we can get it as a sticky somewhere when you get time. Details of modifications, parts and equipment suppliers and dramas you come up against would be a bonus and very valuable to the fraternity. I for one would be looking at this option when the TD5 gets tired.
Cheers
CraigE

I second that motion, though I think the 4.5 would be plenty and in saying that I hope the td5 lasts quite a few years yet.

Good work Gaz I'm watching with keen interest and look forward to more photos.

GM in the states have deferred making the 4.5L which is a shame. Would of been a nice compact package.Mayber land rover could buy the rights/tooling and upgrade the defender? Doubt it! Next upgraded defender will probally be a 3 cyl diesel with a 15 speed gearbox!:wasntme: .

Josh,
I have a build up thread going in the projects section but not much action in the last few weeks. Been buying pipe for my exhaust, intake plumbing and sorting out how to do a spud shaft so bugger all progress.Time to pull my finger out shortly.

Cheers Gaz

[def-90]

gaz thats soooooooo not fair!!!! maybe me majorily jealous:TakeABow:

in qld we can only go to 5L in a fender (i only wanted a piddly genIII), the duramax would be such a weapon!! been following the build of the nissan on outers and its mainly stock and simply a crazy weapon:twisted::twisted:

all the best bud and keep us posted!!

[def-90]

gaz do you mind if i ask what the donk set u back, $10kish? 2nd hand?

[Gaz69]

def-90 Wrote
gaz thats soooooooo not fair!!!! maybe me majorily jealous:TakeABow:

in qld we can only go to 5L in a fender (i only wanted a piddly genIII), the duramax would be such a weapon!! been following the build of the nissan on outers and its mainly stock and simply a crazy weapon:twisted::twisted:

all the best bud and keep us posted!!

I approached the engineer early on (in Victoria) and he was not keen at first. When he saw the vehicle and checked out chassis strength, body confirguration he said go for it. I have heard QLD is hard to get engineering done on modified vehicles! Heath has done a good job on the nissan and good to see the footage on Youtube blowing off the ricers:twisted:. My plan is to keep it looking fairly stock but if i hit the throttle it will blow the doors off a 200 series.

Cheers Gaz


def-90,
PM sent!!!!!!!

[def-90]

cheers bud for the PM,

can't wait to see the end result:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted ::twisted::twisted:

:TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow: :TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow: :TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow:

[XSiV]

XSiV wrote
GM in the states have deferred making the 4.5L which is a shame. Would of been a nice compact package.Mayber land rover could buy the rights/tooling and upgrade the defender? Doubt it! Next upgraded defender will probally be a 3 cyl diesel with a 15 speed gearbox!:wasntme: .

That's a shame a 4.5 would have been perfect, as you said, compact and a little less thirsty than the 6.6. My first car was a HG with the 253ci it was a sweet V8 not so thirsty but heaps of grunt.

Looking at the photo it looks very compact for a 6.6. I can't wait to see it in action. Once it's finished I may have to drive down to SA and have a 130 gathering. ;)



Josh,
I have a build up thread going in the projects section but not much action in the last few weeks. Been buying pipe for my exhaust, intake plumbing and sorting out how to do a spud shaft so bugger all progress.Time to pull my finger out shortly.

Cheers Gaz
Thanks, I'll check it out.




My plan is to keep it looking fairly stock but if i hit the throttle it will blow the doors off a 200 series.

Cheers Gaz

You'll probably find it'll blow the doors off your 130 at the same time!:lol2:

[Gaz69]

XSiV wrote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaz69 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post948707.html#post948707)
XSiV wrote
GM in the states have deferred making the 4.5L which is a shame. Would of been a nice compact package.Mayber land rover could buy the rights/tooling and upgrade the defender? Doubt it! Next upgraded defender will probally be a 3 cyl diesel with a 15 speed gearbox!:wasntme: .

That's a shame a 4.5 would have been perfect, as you said, compact and a little less thirsty than the 6.6. My first car was a HG with the 253ci it was a sweet V8 not so thirsty but heaps of grunt.

Looking at the photo it looks very compact for a 6.6. I can't wait to see it in action. Once it's finished I may have to drive down to SA and have a 130 gathering. ;)


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaz69 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post948707.html#post948707)
Josh,
I have a build up thread going in the projects section but not much action in the last few weeks. Been buying pipe for my exhaust, intake plumbing and sorting out how to do a spud shaft so bugger all progress.Time to pull my finger out shortly.

Cheers Gaz

Thanks, I'll check it out.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaz69 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/72943-want-more-power-your-defender-post949395.html#post949395)

My plan is to keep it looking fairly stock but if i hit the throttle it will blow the doors off a 200 series.

Cheers Gaz

You'll probably find it'll blow the doors off your 130 at the same time!:lol2:


Ockie straps will fix the doors:D and you are most welcome down here in south OZ. There is a few of us in the woodwork around here. Bet you wish you still had the HG. Worth a few bob now!

Cheers Gaz

[XSiV]

I think I would have still had it if it hadn't been stolen. I did so much work on that baby and them some **** stole it, flogged it, and torched it.

A witness near to where it was found said a bunch of teenagers ran straight past him in the direction away from where the car was found. He didn't notice the car burning when he passed it just that the rear tyres were shredded.

The police thought the kids must have come back and torched it to get rid of any evidence in case they had been recognised.

I was devistated, it was due to be stripped and resprayed the day after it was stolen and it was booked in for an insurance re-assessment on the following Wednesday.

I think the kids who stole it didn't have any idea what they were knocking off and would have been pleasantly surprised by what was hidden underneath the poo brown exterior. I was looking at having it insured for close to 20K, the engine alone would have been worth more than 10k with all the mods we did. And that was back in '90.

It was insured for 2.5K, the cops initially thought I'd done an insurance job until they realised the work we had done to it and how much it was insured for.