Need Help!!!! or this is a ad for cheap rangie for sale!

[British Bulldog]

Hey all
At my wits end! I have put the quadrajet on the rangie. Now it will not run. Starts and stalls 5 seconds later. It also backfires through the carbie every time. But it gets worse I have killed the second starter motor in less than a week. At the start fine then battery gets flat hook up to jumper leads keep playing and trying to start and then the starter motor gets real hot and then no start ever again no even a crank. Let it cool down still nothing. I have had this car for 3 weeks ran on straight gas when I got it but didn't run right it ran warm all the time and had overheating issues for a while there but I solved those. I need help to get this running and now.
Here's the offer there is beer and barbie on offer for anyone that would be able to spare a couple of hours and have a look at this mess for me, otherwise its for sale $2000 ONO with a second parts car included and spare motor I've had enough I just sold one nightmare Subaru L series that would never run right and walked into a bigger mess of one that won't run at all. I Would take it to mechanic but they will not touch it because its a half finished job.
So Someone PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards Kris
PS In wild west of Melbourne.

[timaus13]

I am curious, are there any vacume / air leaks, how old is the carbie, is the timing ok on the dizzy, to be backfiring it could be blocked jet/ jets, timing or air / vacume leak. Listen out for an air leak when turning the motor over.
Sorry I cannot call in for bbq but live in Tassie.

I hope you get it sorted, do not give up as it sounds like it is a minor issue.
cheers
tim:)

[D3Jon]

Are the plug leads on the correct plugs? Might seem like a silly question but if you've moved any of them that would give you the backfiring as well.

Jon

[mike 90 RR]

I have had this car for 3 weeks ran on straight gas when I got it ....

.... Here's the offer there is beer and BBQ on offer

Lets start at the beginning .....

When you bought it ...
When you ran gas ..... It ran fine?
It would not run on Petrol at the time?

Now the bits that you have done ...

You removed the carby & installed the Quadjet .... It won't start
You recond the carby yourself??? .....
You have the gas kit installed ???
Have you tried to start on gas??
Have you touched the Dizzy?
What is the Dizzy timed to? 6degrees ... 20 degrees??

Wild card Question ....
Did you touch the cam chain??
What else have you touched that is related to the above??


Can you mail out the BBQ & beer to me ??? ... Will it fit in the post box?? :p

Mike

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[Rangier Rover]

May be a nasty vacuume leak?
Try this to rule out ign. Disable fuel to carby + gas and give it a wiff of start ya bastard. If it catches keep doing small pulses of spray to see if it stays alive.
Be carefull if back fire and carby goes up in flames. If it does wind it over and the flames will suck in.
The back fire is often a sighn of lean fuel or bad vacuume leak.

In the past I have used ULP in a squirter to do this but very is dangerous.

You best do this where there is no risk of a fire and have a class B fire extinguisher. They make less mess.

Tony

[British Bulldog]

To Mike 90 RR,

When I got the car it ran fine on gas, and there was no petrol hooked up for it to be able to use petrol at all.

I haven't recond the carby,
Gas is installled, just not hooked up,
Haven't tried to start it on gas, as it is not hooked up
Have moved the dizzy a little, but it is still inline
Unsure of extact timing of dizzy

No didn't touch cam chain
Haven't touched anything else.

Thanks ;)

[p38arover]

Have moved the dizzy a little, but it is still inline

I'm not sure what you mean.

[SPROVER]

Have you taken the dizzy out at all? It maybe 180 out.The timing could be wrong.Have you checked to see if it is top dead centre? Im guessing at the moment but they are worth trying.Had my dizzy 180 out and it would pop and backfire when turning over.

[mike 90 RR]

Unsure of extact timing of dizzy


Beauty ..... :cool:


I would try for the air leaks ... as others have mentioned



I am working on the theory that you can work the tools ... But not sure about the Dizzy

Simplest way to work out TDC is the following ....

Remove all the spark plugs except .... plug in piston 1

Piston 1 is on the RHS of motor (passenger side)

Turn the crank and when you get resistance ... this will be piston 1 comming up to compression which will = TDC

Set the crank onto 6 degrees BTDC

Now turn on the ignition .... Turn the dizzy till the points spark ... (in reverse of direction of how the dizzy turns)

Dizzy turns Anticlockwise .... when the motor runs
Twist dizzy Clockwise to set dizzy points


Now lock the dizzy


Note which is number 1 position ... Put this lead on the cap ... and connect to spark plug 1

Put in the rest of the plugs & complete the order of leads ....

Firing order is as follows .... 1 2 7 5 6 3 4 8 .... Anticlockwise direction

Start car




Mike

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Footnote .... to the brains trust
If I have written the procedure wrong ..... Then correct me ;)

[British Bulldog]

Thanks for all the great info guys but one slight prob Mike its a electronic dizzy. So I cant tell when the points fire. But will try that.
Anyone got any clues on the starter motor as I am done to my last spare and don't want to kill another.

Thanks Very much
Kris

[mike 90 RR]

but one slight prob Mike its a electronic dizzy.

Same procedure ... except

Take the cap off .... Set the motor onto the 6 degrees of crank
Note where the rotor button is ... this is the position on lead #1
Put the cap with Lead #1 .... back onto the dizzy
Put a spark plug onto lead and place it on the motor (earthed out)
Turn ignition on
Move the dizzy Anti clockwise for a bit .... Then reverse to set it up
When you turn dizzy (clockwise) ... The spark plug will "spark"
This is now the set position for 6 degrees



To test what the current timing position is now ......
Roll the crank onto TDC ... Turn ignition on .... Roll crank forward till the spark plug fires .... Stop ... Look at the Timing mark position and this will tell you what degree it is set at

Mike

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[British Bulldog]

Thank you all very much but I believe I have found the problem yet the solution still evades me. I set the timing swapped out the fried starter motor for one off the wreck and what a bonus find its a Magnetti. :eek: Tried starting still starts and run for 5 secs but then stalls. So I was playing and pumped sh*t loads of fuel with the accelerator down its guts and noticed that there was fuel pooling up on the manifold on one side. AH (light bulb moment) the adapter plate is not sealing correctly on that corner letting in too much air. Thus I have found the problem WHOO!!!:D But now the solution is even more of a puzzle. I can hear it now just pull of carby and tighten down some more, I wish. As the mounting hard ware that came with the adapter plate was really strange basically is one piece of thread with two different thread sizes either end. So I screwed the nuts down one side of the thread and then screwed them into the manifold with vise grips til tight and then cut the excess off. So now there is no way humanly possible to get them back out I have tried trust me. because the hole they sit in on the adapter plate is hex shaped and same size as nut therefore it won't turn. So my next is solution is a bit backyard and bushie in method but I am hoping it will get car going and hold for this weekend coming has I have a trip away that I must attend. This solution is good old fashioned silicon smeared and jammed in edge of adapter plate till no more leak.
Thanks again for all your help. Hopefully in a few hours I will have a rangie that runs aleast on petrol will worry about LPG after that.

Regards
Kris

[D3Jon]

I'm pretty sure that regular silicon is not fuel proof and will 'melt' / disappear very quickly. RTV Silicon would be better, but to be honest you're better off taking this thing apart again.

If you can get a drill to the top of the threaded studs, then drill a hole in them and extract with a suitably sized stud extractor.

If any thread is left showing then lock two nuts together on the thread and turn them together. In fact this is the best way to insert threaded studs rather than shafting them with vice grips.

Jon

[British Bulldog]

Thanks to everyone for your help I have it going and going well. Its running cooler than it ever has its great. Starts first turn of key on both LPG and petrol its great. The problem was the adapter plate. Got new bolts and a new thicker gasket.
I am so happy that it going.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
One last question should I advance the timing anymore than the 6 Degress that it is at or not? It does seem to lack a little power.

The bonnet just now has a little extra bow in the middle but nothing to bad you can hardly notice it.

Thanks again for all the help

Regards
Kris

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

For the benefit of others on the timing thing, two pages from the manual which should be helpful... technically....

[frantic]

Hi, im not a mechanic but have had several lpg cars 4x4's etc.
When you said you put in a new carby did it have vacum secondaries as my old mechanic said when i was looking for a new carb 4 my 5.0v8 statesman do not get anything with a vacum as gas would not work on it (ended up with a holly 650 DP).