Toddlers and driveways

[Chucaro]

I am reading the news and I cannot comprehend why we have to have at least one fatality or serious accident cause by a car running over a toddle in the homes driveways.

Today we just have another one in Qld.

Surely have to be a way to avoid theses tragedies. Perhaps a compulsory reverse camera….I do not know is terrible. :(

[dmdigital]

Technology is not the answer, education is first and foremost. Even if they had a camera there are people who wouldn't use it.

How many people do you see just get in a car, start it and stick it in reverse! Driver education needs to go a long way.

[weeds]

i had a moment tonight

pulled up iin the defender in the driveway, downhill, ensuring the kids had all there stuff, collecting my own things, listening to the cricket, looked over my shoulder checking the oldest boy can open the rear door for the dog, open my door half way out the door and as my foot comes off the brake pedal the defender rolls forward about a metre...........jammed my foot on the brake, applied handbrake look up to see the youngest boy 1-2m in front of the car walking towards the house totally unaware......sat in the car for a moment thing you idiot, phew, and than i see this thread

[Chucaro]

i had a moment tonight

pulled up iin the defender in the driveway, downhill, ensuring the kids had all there stuff, collecting my own things, listening to the cricket, looked over my shoulder checking the oldest boy can open the rear door for the dog, open my door half way out the door and as my foot comes off the brake pedal the defender rolls forward about a metre...........jammed my foot on the brake, applied handbrake look up to see the youngest boy 1-2m in front of the car walking towards the house totally unaware......sat in the car for a moment thing you idiot, phew, and than i see this thread


I will need a big glass of brandy after something like this :eek:

[DiscoTDI]

I had a very heart stopping experience at a day care last year in a ford focus, we were in the car in the carpark waiting for the kids to buckle up in the back which takes a few minutes. Now before I get in the car I always survey the area for kids, families, traffic to get an idea of what I might have to watch for. When we were able to start moving I then check mirrors and look around at my blind spots. The closest movement I could see was a family 30 metres away coming out of the child gate of the day care, I then started to reverse and caught the slightest glimpse in my mirror of what I now know was a tuft of hair. My first instinct was to slam on the brakes which I managed to do in time, I did not hit the child but from what I was told it was a matter of millimetres.

What had happened was the people who were coming out of the gate had let their child run through the carpark, and the first I knew that child was there was from a slight glimpse of the top of their head for a fraction of a second in my mirror. If I had looked in my side mirror at that time I would have probably run over that child, it still haunts me and I am sure it always will because that save was pure arse. I have always looked properly for children especially as I have 3 of my own, as you can imagine I get out of the car a lot more than I used too and even then thye image pops in my mind wondering if a child could have run behind me in the time it took me to turn around and get back in.

Point of my story is it doesnt matter what car you are in kids are pretty much invisible, I am surprised there are not more kids run over with some of the antics I see in schools and day cares. I am getting a reverse camera for the Focus because at the end of the day even if it was not my fault, I would not be able to live with myself if I run over a child.

[4wd4fun]

Its is just a mater of thinking about what you are doing when behind the wheel as you are in charge.
I had a case a while back at local Vidio store a man had an argument with the attendent re overdue fees and then stormed out jumped in car and reversed out without looking or thinking and reversed straight into the front of my Centre parked disco crushed his boot lid rear quarter and tail light smashed :eek: and scratched paint on the courner of my ARB Bull bar (hit on strongest point) no other damage.:D If any one had been walking there he would have hit them as he did not look behind at all so anything could have happened.:mad: I was in the store and watched him do it he was even angrier when he drove off.

[Rangier Rover]

Been one of our greatest fears here. Not an ideal solution but we got into the habit of reversing into the garage wile they were still in the car so next time most of the action is out front.

Tony

[dullbird]

aren't reversing cameras law now in the states? I know that fitting camera inside the car are becoming very popular for reducing insurance over there.

If its not the states I'm pretty sure it is somewhere for this very reason......I think reversing camera's are a really good idea for this sort of thing and they should be set up so they come on automatically

[dmdigital]

I think reversing camera's are a really good idea for this sort of thing and they should be set up so they come on automatically

I'll reiterate what I said before:
Technology is not the answer, education is first and foremost. Even if they had a camera there are people who wouldn't use it.

If people don't look in the mirror, they are also not going to look at the camera's screen. I'm not by any means saying cameras are a bad thing, just that they are the end part of the solution. So many vehicles now have terrible blind spots that they do help (as do parking sensors). But if people aren't thinking, concentrating, looking around, aware of what's happening outside of the vehicle, all the technology in the world still won't help them unless it interlocks to the cars engine and brakes and stops them dead in their tracks when it detects something.

My biggest fear, where I live, is backing in to the neighbours Patrol as it comes hurtling out of the opposing driveway. There are a number of small kids and an ad-hoc pedestrian traffic in the street so I am always careful and slow at reversing out of the driveway. The neighbour, unfortunately, isn't:mad:

[dullbird]

I'll reiterate wforemost. Even if they had a

camera there are people who wouldn't use it.hat I said before:
Technology is not the answer, education is first and

If people don't look in the mirror, they are also not going to look at the camera's screen.
I'm not by any means saying cameras are a bad thing, just that they are the end part of the solution. So many vehicles now have terrible blind spots that they do help (as do parking sensors). But if people aren't thinking, concentrating, looking around, aware of what's happening outside of the vehicle, all the technology in the world still won't help them unless it interlocks to the cars engine and brakes and stops them dead in their tracks when it detects something.

My biggest fear, where I live, is backing in to the neighbours Patrol as it comes hurtling out of the opposing driveway. There are a number of small kids and an ad-hoc pedestrian traffic in the street so I am always careful and slow at reversing out of the driveway. The neighbour, unfortunately, isn't:mad:

Derek.......with all due respect I never said cameras were a solution I said I thought they were a good idea!

So no need to reiterate to me!

and in regards to your comment I dont agree with your claim that technology is not the answer I think technology is part of the answer....

I wonder how many people had the same agrument over ABS brakes

[V8Ian]

I wonder how many people had the same agrument over ABS brakes

and seat belts and air bags and electric headlights and and and

[JohnR]

We have 3 little kids and 2 little puppies and LOTS of cars. We use a very simple 30c solution, a mobile phone call. We NEVER enter the yard or move a car without first calling the other half and checking they have all of the above either in their sight or locked inside.

We also have revearsing cameras on both the Defender and the Humvee.

We treat this very seriously in a usually very relaxed house hold.

Cheers,

[George130]

Doesn't take much to hapen. Had my kids dart into the parth of the Fender before. Also had one of them release the rig. I had to dive through the open window as it went past and use my hands on the break pedal:eek:. That one got the heart rate going.

[dmdigital]

Derek.......with all due respect I never said cameras were a solution I said I thought they were a good idea!

So no need to reiterate to me!

and in regards to your comment I dont agree with your claim that technology is not the answer I think technology is part of the answer....

I wonder how many people had the same agrument over ABS brakes


and seat belts and air bags and electric headlights and and and

ABS is hardly the same thing. You put your foot on the brake and its there to assist, you don't have an option to use it.

As for seat belts, another fine example of a perfectly valid safety device - like the reversing camera - that can be misused and is.

It's all well and good having all this equipment, but at the end of it all a solution like JohnR has provided, shows a far better understanding of where the reversing camera fits in the scheme of safely reversing a vehicle. Regardless of the technology you must know what is going on around the vehicle.

I'm still not sure how electric lights figure in the subject. I'm sure they probably came about more from the need to actually see where the horse-less carriage was going in the dark.

[V8Ian]

I'm still not sure how electric lights figure in the subject. I'm sure they probably came about more from the need to actually see where the horse-less carriage was going in the dark.

Technology- progress-safety

[dullbird]

ABS is hardly the same thing. You put your foot on the brake and its there to assist, you don't have an option to use it.

As for seat belts, another fine example of a perfectly valid safety device - like the reversing camera - that can be misused and is.

It's all well and good having all this equipment, but at the end of it all a solution like JohnR has provided, shows a far better understanding of where the reversing camera fits in the scheme of safely reversing a vehicle. Regardless of the technology you must know what is going on around the vehicle.

I'm still not sure how electric lights figure in the subject. I'm sure they probably came about more from the need to actually see where the horse-less carriage was going in the dark.

how is it not the same thing? A child runs out infront of the car while moving you suggesting that abs wouldn't help in this situation (especially if its wet) and at one stage there was a choice you either brought one with it or without it (but now it comes as standard same as airbags)......I dont think anyone here is suggesting that you just soley reverse back using a camera although your intial poo poo was saying that people would just not use them at all.
but to say technology does not help with safety...which is the way I read your post I think IMHO is just silly

to a degree is because safety now relys so much on technology that to a degree we have become poorer drivers but like you said yourself this is also aided by the design of some cars

We have a camera on he back of our defender as I would not want to be in the same position as Discotdi where he did everything a responsible person would do and still nearly hit a child that was sitting in his blind spot....would a camera aided him I reckon so.
Does he need education No I dont think so I think he did everything in his power to make sure he was reversving at what he deemed a safe situation only to be prove wrong........

[inside]

I don't think reversing cameras are the answer. We spend out life cocking our head to reverse out the driveway not looking at the dash and IMO reversing sensors work really well. In the FL2 it cuts the stereo and you hear a long beep to tell you they're on when put in reverse. In a shopping centre situation when you have it in reverse waiting for cars to go past you can hear the beeps get faster as an approaching car gets near the car.

I trust it so much that in my driveway if I hear the sound and see nothing in the mirror I stop and get out to have a look. So far it has always been a weed sticking through a crack in the driveway.

[dullbird]

I think reversing sensors are good too.......
I'm not sure people are understanding the use of a camera though, a camera is not three so you just look at the dash.....its there just like your mirrors are to be glanced at
when reversing I use it primarily as a quick look to make sure nothing is directly behind the car which I cannot see when looking out the back with a cocked head before I start to roll the car it then comes into play when backing up close to things although i would never rely on the distance thing its just to see 180 degrees around the back of the car....that is where a parking sensor comes into its own..

I dont care what anyone says you cannot safely see out the back of a defender and I dare say any 4wd that has a reasonable height and a small rear screen.
If this is the case how do you rectify that? well I personally thing with technology be it a camera or a parking sensor or both

[V8Ian]

In the 1950s cars had big pillars and one small internal mirror; in the '60 an external mirror was added to the drivers door, the '70s another, to the passenger door. If you were driving a car today without external mirrors, Would you notice it? I would hope so! By 2020 reversing cameras will be the same. Thats progress and incrimental improvement. Admittedly some may not use them; How often have we been cut off by an idiot not using his/her mirror? Do we manufacture vehicles without blinkers because some people don't use them sometimes? The more aid to driving we have the safer driving will become.

[Blknight.aus]

try one of the new falcon sedans, you can hide a small car in the rear blindspots.

its part of the reason why I drive past, then reverse into carparks and driveways.

[inside]

By 2020 reversing cameras will be the same. Thats progress and incrimental improvement.
Unless you buy a Defender, you'll still be wondering why you can see ground through the door seals. :p

[dullbird]

Unless you buy a Defender, you'll still be wondering why you can see ground through the door seals. :p

thats the answer dont put lugage in the back of a defender then you will be able to see behind the car:lol2:

[djhampson]

I actually think reversing sensors are a better option than the a camera just because you don't have to be looking at the camera to see if there is an object in the way.

I don't have a camera but have sensors and find the best way to reverse is shift into R, wait for the beep to tell me the sensors are working and then shoulder check & check mirrors before moving off. The beepers respond quickly to a person stepping into their FOV and when they go to a solid tone you know you need to stop.

[V8Ian]

Unless you buy a Defender, you'll still be wondering why you can see ground through the door seals. :p

By 2020 Deefers will have external driver's side mirrors ;):p as standard

[dullbird]

I actually think reversing sensors are a better option than the a camera just because you don't have to be looking at the camera to see if there is an object in the way.

I don't have a camera but have sensors and find the best way to reverse is shift into R, wait for the beep to tell me the sensors are working and then shoulder check & check mirrors before moving off. The beepers respond quickly to a person stepping into their FOV and when they go to a solid tone you know you need to stop.

i agree with you Dj and with inside they are probably the best to use for reversing I have only used them once in the ambulance strange to get used to at first........but in saying that it just brings some of us back to the point that technology is and can be used to help aid a car when manovering making it safer for all involved

education is a big part I dont disagree with that at all....but technology is also the way forward

[lardy]

i think you cannot be complacent on your drive and should observant as you would be on the road,
My dog is my issue around the house, as i have no kids to worry about she is a total daddies girl and follows me like a shadow, which isn't a drama until i go to go out in the landy she slips out behind you sometimes, so i have to get out the truck and do the walk around just to make sure and in the mornings if reversing from my house (its usually dark ) and you have walkers out so i stick the rear work light on so they have a chance if i dont see them.
there are no guarentee, what with blindspots and the like so it's a case of caution always i guess.

[DirtyDawg]

I am reading the news and I cannot comprehend why we have to have at least one fatality or serious accident cause by a car running over a toddle in the homes driveways.

Today we just have another one in Qld.

Surely have to be a way to avoid theses tragedies. Perhaps a compulsory reverse camera….I do not know is terrible. :(

We can two words "parental supervison" 2.F.E

[JDNSW]

This is a serious concern, and my family has had one toddler run over (fortunately non-fatal, heaven knows how he survived - tyre tread marks across his face) in the family driveway.

My method of dealing with it is to make sure I know exactly where all the kids (and dogs) are when reversing (preferably in the car), and move very slowly.

While a rear view camera can help, so can much simpler and more reliable technology in the form of a fresnel lens on the rear window (only useful if the window is close to vertical and you can see it, or a curved mirror at the rear such as is sold for hooking up to trailers. But the problem with all of these, is that everyone assumes that you live on sealed roads - if you live or drive on unsealed roads, vision from any of these, but particularly cameras will be blocked most of the time by dust or mud. Certainly it can be said that the lens can be cleaned before reversing, but let's be realistic! It won't happen. And how long will your camera keep working on corrugated roads with the temperature over forty?

John

[Chucaro]

We can two words "parental supervison" 2.F.E

I agree with you,it is one of the basic and more important factors to avoid this accidents.
The inside reverse mirror is good in a car but useless in a van, bus, truck of fully loaded 4WD. You use the side mirrors in these cases.
Does not matter how good driver you are if the careless parents on the street or car parks do not supervise their children.
It would take 1 second for a kid to run behind your vehicle and you do not have a hope in see what it is behind the vehicle if the kid is very close.
Only a good camera with an alarm can spot the kid.
We cannot educate all the drivers but we can start changing the way thet the driving school teach new drivers.
I would ask the future drivers to learn to ride a motocycle and ride for 2 years before have a car licence. They will learn very quickly how to be aware of what it is going on on the road and arround them ;)

[JDNSW]

.......
I would ask the future drivers to learn to ride a motocycle and ride for 2 years before have a car licence. They will learn very quickly how to be aware of what it is going on on the road and arround them ;)

The survivors will anyway!

John

[Chucaro]

The survivors will anyway!

John

:D:D less people on the roads :D

[V8Ian]

I would ask the future drivers to learn to ride a motocycle and ride for 2 years before have a car licence.

Then drive a truck to learn dynamics

[DirtyDawg]

Our L322 has a camera and sensors as standard and it does help, but it is still down to drivers and more so parents to prevent this..Know where your little ones are at all times...not that hard.

[DiscoTDI]

I do not see why people are saying cameras are not a major fix to the problem, technically speaking it is dangerous to be looking backwards while reversing and if you are driving a truck it is near on impossible. If you have an accident while your body is twisted around like that, even at a low speed you are going to get hurt
Reversing sensors are good but a camera is proof that there is nothing there. When you liken it to seatbelts the sensor is a lap belt the camera is a lap sash belt.
Has anyone had a look at the specifications for the new Volvo XC60, what a vehicle the technology is amazing the vehicle is designed to avoid accidents under 30kmh, with cruise control on it will automatically adjust your speed and hold you at a safe distance behind the car in front on the highway. It also has a reverse camera.

Technology is the answer, making sure people don't become complacent is the challenge

[Chucaro]

I agree with the comments about technology but is good that a driver know how to brake without ABS, know how to keep distances from other cars without the computer tell them when to slow down.

To me technology assists a good driver to be more safe on the road.
We have to change the way that we teach the young future drivers how to drive.
Why do not introduce the same system that is in place for riders to get the license? That will help a bit in knowing how to be aware of what is around them and also how to control the vehicle.

Another point is made them aware that having a drivers/riding license is not a right is a privilege.

[p38arover]

the vehicle is designed to avoid accidents under 30kmh, with cruise control on it will automatically adjust your speed and hold you at a safe distance behind the car in front on the highway.

It leaves a nice gap on the highway for someone to use when overtaking you. On the M4 motorway near here, that gap would be constantly being filled and the Volvo would be moving backward in the traffic. :D

Does it apply the brakes in that situation thus giving the drivers behind (who are right up your Khyber) the irrits or have them run up your backside?

[Redback]

I agree with you,it is one of the basic and more important factors to avoid this accidents.
The inside reverse mirror is good in a car but useless in a van, bus, truck of fully loaded 4WD. You use the side mirrors in these cases.
Does not matter how good driver you are if the careless parents on the street or car parks do not supervise their children.
It would take 1 second for a kid to run behind your vehicle and you do not have a hope in see what it is behind the vehicle if the kid is very close.
Only a good camera with an alarm can spot the kid.
We cannot educate all the drivers but we can start changing the way thet the driving school teach new drivers.
I would ask the future drivers to learn to ride a motocycle and ride for 2 years before have a car licence. They will learn very quickly how to be aware of what it is going on on the road and arround them ;)

Using that theroy, those that rode or still ride pushbikes should be totally aware of there suroundings, but for some it just doesn't sink in.

All the techknoledgy and education in the world won't help if people don't want it, and sadly some don't and won't use it.

Baz.

[willem]

G'day everyone,

The way we have handled it with kids and driveways is to teach them to get off the driveway when they hear an engine start. So when they were young it was normal to see the kids scurrying for the lawn or the porch as soon as the car started. Then we would simply make sure that we could see each one before we started to move.

So the answer lies in both education and vigilance. You can never let your guard down. Technology helps, but vigilance is essential, and part of vigilance is education.

THE PRICE OF SAFETY IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE.

Willem

[V8Ian]

All the techknoledgy and education in the world won't help if people don't want it, and sadly some don't and won't use it.

Baz.

You can lead a horse to water..........
As long as the technology is there it can be used, if only sometimes.

[DiscoTDI]

It leaves a nice gap on the highway for someone to use when overtaking you. On the M4 motorway near here, that gap would be constantly being filled and the Volvo would be moving backward in the traffic. :D

Does it apply the brakes in that situation thus giving the drivers behind (who are right up your Khyber) the irrits or have them run up your backside?

You can turn devices off if you want to ;)

[Redback]

You can lead a horse to water..........
As long as the technology is there it can be used, if only sometimes.

Coming from a heavy vehicle background, anything that helped see behind or beside me, I used, and as an instructor I tried to drum this into my students too, if they had cameras when I was driving I would have used them too.

But as you say, you can lead a horse:angel:

Baz.

[loanrangie]

We can two words "parental supervison" 2.F.E

This is the only REAL preventative measure know where your kids are and dont let them anywhere near places where vehicles are moving.

[djhampson]

This is the only REAL preventative measure know where your kids are and dont let them anywhere near places where vehicles are moving.

That works fine and will probably stop you hitting your kids.... won't help in a shopping centre \ child care car park tho.

Sensors or cameras should be mandatory on all new cars. Might have also prevented someone bumping my front bumper a few weeks back. ;)

[V8Ian]

This is the only REAL preventative measure know where your kids are and dont let them anywhere near places where vehicles are moving.

It's not always your kids or your driveway.

[loanrangie]

It's not always your kids or your driveway.

Maybe but its not my job to parent other peoples kids, if i'm the adult in charge its a different matter - either way, if i'm driving in or backing out of anywhere i'm always aware of whats around me, 30 years of motorbike riding has taught me that.

[V8Ian]

Maybe but its not my job to parent other peoples kids, if i'm the adult in charge its a different matter - either way, if i'm driving in or backing out of anywhere i'm always aware of whats around me, 30 years of motorbike riding has taught me that.

No matter whoses kids or who's responsible for them you wouldn't want to run one over in a shopping centre or the like.

[Chucaro]

No matter whoses kids or who's responsible for them you wouldn't want to run one over in a shopping centre or the like.

I agree 100% + my40 years riding motorbikes told me to never relay in the responsabilities of others ;)

[DirtyDawg]

My 20yrs of falling off motorcycles taught me .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...
it bloody hurts:p

[Chucaro]

My 20yrs of falling off motorcycles taught me .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...
it bloody hurts:p

Yes and when you are over 60 your body does not bounce back when hit the groud, just stay there bonded to it like glue :p

[stevo68]

To be honest I think sometimes it doesn't matter how good a driver you are, how careful you are, how many safety gadgets you have........
there will always be that one instant of time that you were off your guard, or not paying attention, for whatever reason....that is when these things generally happen :( I tend to agree.....statistically I would think that the comparison between cars that get reversed every day and actual children ( sadly) being hit would be very low. For reasons as has been mentioned....vigilance...gadgets etc etc.

With Smokey...not that I could see a hell of a lot before the lift...but now and with the larger tyres can see SFA.....so am looking to get some sensors..cause I'm sure the day isnt far away before I hit someones car :angel:. With 4 children ranging from 12 yrs to 10 mths old.....around the house, camping etc I work on vigiliance...bit like John R...I find out first where the kids are....I don't want to have that...just once :(,

Regards

Stevo

[Venesser]

Geez sometimes these topics drive me nuts. So I thought I'd better sign up instead of replying as one of the family members (didn't wanna get them kicked off).

I've gotta say, if I was the one who hit the latest kid I think my world would fall apart. If I was the parent I KNOW my world would fall apart. For crying out loud I had a small incident with a trailer and garage door the other day and it scared me 1/2 to death (no one got hurt, nothing seriously damaged).

But why aren't we teaching kids things like road rules! I take a TAFE class of adult students for a walk and have to hold their hand to cross the road! I remember vividly as a kid getting into trouble for not looking. It was drummed into me from the word go that my skin was my responsability.

If I was riding my motorbike I had to have all my safety gear on (and yes I agree, if all motorists had to ride a bike on the road things would be very different). If I was walking down the street I had to keep an eye on the traffic even if I was on a concrete foot path. Pedestrian crossings were to be used at all times BUT I was to wait till the cars stopped before I started crossing. I remember once I forgot to look and mum nearly skinned me alive!

Even when I lived in the bush, on a dirt road, I had to look AND listen for traffic. At school, in a town of perhaps 5 regular cars, we practiced crossing the road, we were even taught what to to when getting off the bus.

While at High School in Sydney I lost count of the midgets I had to rescue from cars and trucks running red lights because all they had been taught was to wait for the green man.

I don't know about anyone else, but I avoid driving through school zones during school time because between the children and parents it's enough to scare the crap out of even the calmest driver.

All the gizmos in the world 'aint going to help if we don't educate BOTH drivers AND pedestrians. Yes, everything helps, but none of it is going to help a rats if 1-people don't start looking out for their own skins and 2-the gizmos don't get used. I know a few poeople who I will not get into a car with anymore because they don't use the mirrors they have (well one of them does use the rear vision mirror, but applying lippy doesn't count).

V

[Chucaro]

Your points are very valid Venesser and welcome to the forum :)
In my case I look every were before reversing or move the car but I have notice specially on big shopping’s car parks that the "suicidal" pedestrian are on the increase :(
They can see you that you are reversing but they still trying to beat you and walk right behind your car and in many cases with kids :mad:
I believe that a reverse camera will help in this cases.
I am like you, I am terrorised to injure a human bing so I have to look after them and me as well :(

[DiscoTDI]

Its all well and good saying that kids should be looked after better and to avoid driving in areas at school times and wonderful stuff like that. That logic flies out the window when you have kids and have to pick them up from school at school time, and even though I drum it into my kids that cars will kill you if they run over you it seems that there is a large percentage of the population that dont give a rats arse about their kids. The child I nearly ran over was not my child and the parents were at the other end of the carpark. I will not let my kids walk through a carpark by themselves because most people I have seen dont care if a car is behind them let alone a child, to the point they hold my hand and I will not let go.
I will say again, give me as many gadgets as you can find to help me not run over a child.

Deep down I believe what is being said about educating people but I know alot of people just dont care, and when their child does get hit they will let you know till the cows come home how much its your fault.

[dmdigital]

Welcome to the forum Venesser!

Finally someone else who understands. You have said what I was trying to say yesterday.

[jonesy61]

This is a heavy vehicle driver's worst nightmare. Best thing you can do is teach your kids about the danger of getting behind Dad's truck. it doesn't make it safe but it does help make things more predictable. Reverse beeper means stop and move away. If the truck stops with the beeper still going, someone is in the way and needs to move.

It is a relief to see your kids act this way and pull the other kids into line as well. I fixed my fear, I bought acerage. Now, all I have to do is teach my Staffies how to act around a truck and dog:eek:

In all seriousness, I do not ever want to experience it. I know a few guys who have ran over their own kids, it isn't something you can easily brush off and carry on.

Reverse cameras work in big gear, provided you use it like a mirror and do not fixate one the one device, it helps. You still have two mirrors as well.