Adjustable Height Sensor Rods

[daveyb]

Exactly what the title says! After running the original shortening mod for the past year, I finally came up with a precise way to shorten the rods. I dialed in the fronts to 13mm off (ARB w/ winch) and the rears to 12mm off. Perfectly set up to handle the 285/65/18's.
The greatly improved modification.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/607.jpg
Set includes 2 rear and 2 front adjustable connecting rods.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/608.jpg
Simple install and more refined than stock.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/609.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/610.jpg

I am currently selling this kit to the Middle East, UK, Europe, US and a few over here. I am NOT a business! I am an enthusiast like yourselves who has finally advanced this mod to the next level. Sell price is $269.00USD + shipping and takes 7-10 shipping days for delivery. You can send a PM or e-mail directly to d3rover-at-comcast.net for additional information. Thanks everyone!

Cheers,

Dave

[rmp]

If you're selling stuff you're a business.

What's the effect if the two rods at the same end of the car aren't changed by exactly the same amount?

[daveyb]

If you're selling stuff you're a business.

What's the effect if the two rods at the same end of the car aren't changed by exactly the same amount?

I recommend pre-setting the dimension prior to installing to assure consistency. This is not really designed to constantly be fiddled with. It is more a one time accurate way to shorten the rods and gain lift. I also recommend getting a full alignment procedure after the install is complete to adjust for proper camber specifications.
Theoretically, you could end up with slightly different heights if the rods are "randomly" set to dimension. I will provide a " to scale" diagram of stock, 6mm, 8mm, 10mm and 12mm less dimension as measured from center of rod end to center of rod end. This is 1/4-28 thread, so the adjustments are very fine by nature. There is also a jamb nut provided for the RH thread ends to lock down the final adjustment.

Cheers

Dave

[WhiteD3]

I can see warranty and insurance claim issue written all over this.........

[daveyb]

I can see warranty and insurance claim issue written all over this.........

Point is very well taken. This set is intended for the owners who have already installed modified sets or understand that modifying the stock suspension MAY void any factory warranty. Of course, these are easily installed AT the trailhead and can removed once back on pavement if you so choose. I leave mine on all the time and only replace with stock rods for Dealer scheduled service. All of your feedback is greatly appreciated and I'm sure that the D3 suspension components will continually evolve as they come off warranty or owners become more willing to tackle trails of increasing difficulty (Rubicon!).

Dave

[chuck]

Pardon my ignorance but what height increase does this give you?

What brand/type of tyres (285 x 65 x 18) are you running?

Any chance of photos with wheels & tyres on?

Regards

Chuck

[CaverD3]

A shotening of 10mm will give you off-road height when in normal height setting. This means you can drive at off road height without it dropping when you reach 40kph.
Off road becomes extended height. Extended becomes super extended. Super extended- don't even think about going there.:o
Handles like a normal coiler with 10mm off.

I have a prototype system which shortend the rods with a button on the dash. :D
Looking like retailing as a kit for about $1000.;)

[daveyb]

Tires are Nitto Terra Grappler 285/65/18.

Access Mode
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/548.jpg
Normal Mode
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/549.jpg
Extended Mode
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/549.jpg

There was rubbing in the rear wheel wells from the liner and factory weld seams. I just hit the seam with a cutting wheel and trimmed the liner for the additional room. I relocated the front wiring loom along the frame rail, up and out of the way so I don't rub at full wheel lock.

[daveyb]

A shotening of 10mm will give you off-road height when in normal height setting. This means you can drive at off road height without it dropping when you reach 40kph.
Off road becomes extended height. Extended becomes super extended. Super extended- don't even think about going there.:o
Handles like a normal coiler with 10mm off.

I have a prototype system which shortend the rods with a button on the dash. :D
Looking like retailing as a kit for about $1000.;)

Well done :D! I need to learn more about your approach. I searched to no avail? Where do I find info?

[Neil P]

I can see warranty and insurance claim issue written all over this.........


Just take 'em off and replace with originals for service.

....... as for insurance problems , they look at tyres and maybe springs
replacements, if they're a different colour ( for a clue ! ). The average assessor wouldn't know what he/she was looking at with a air susp. system. I don't give people too much credit anymore ....... if the vehicle
is second hand, who's to say you altered it ?

[CaverD3]

The difference in height with the shorter rods is below the max for suspension lift without an engineers cert.

[rmp]

Just take 'em off and replace with originals for service.

....... as for insurance problems , they look at tyres and maybe springs
replacements, if they're a different colour ( for a clue ! ). The average assessor wouldn't know what he/she was looking at with a air susp. system. I don't give people too much credit anymore ....... if the vehicle
is second hand, who's to say you altered it ?

Doesn't matter who altered it, you're still liable. You then need to find whoever caused the problem and take them on in turn.

However I can't see this being an issue, it's less than the state regulations for a lift, and indeed LR do run the car at 40kmph at this height.

[Neil P]

Doesn't matter who altered it, you're still liable.

Not if you've got a Queensland RWC

[Neil P]

Received my set from Dave last week and fitted
them this morning. Photos and info here ;

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - Adjustable Height Sensor Rods (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/post430844.html'sid=abd0c970716eefe2b7a80d891625ef bd#430844)

:D

[daveyb]

Great install and write up Neil! I just made a few more sets yesterday for our NorCal / SoCal snow run get together. I had a good laugh yesterday when SWIMBO needed help getting in. We were parked at an angle and she kept sliding out because the Rover was too high! BINGO!

[daveyb]

Thanks for a great run Boys and Girls! Looks like my Vendor status will soon expire and things have been quite slow here. I'll continue to provide the Sasquatch Rods as long as there is demand. Visit Lucky8 for ordering information or contact me directly. Cheers!!

[daveyb]

I am very sad to say that this has been a less than above the board thread. I am a PAID Vendor member who PAID for the right to post a thread on AULRO. Posts have been edited without the permission of the authors. My attached pictures have also been tampered with. If you look closely, my pictures of Normal Mode and "Extended Mode" are identical pictures. My original pictures included an "Off-Road" mode which showed an additional height change. The "Editor" re-named my Off-Road Mode picture "Extended Mode". This is unacceptable. I am truly at a loss about this. Pointing fingers will do nothing. Pin pointing who has the access to change an authors posts will do nothing. This is sad. I held such a high respect for this site. If for any reason, a member posted a comment or question which was unanswered, I apologize. I feel that I have presented myself with complete professionalism from start to finish regarding this product. It is shocking that I am a paid vendor who was not given a "Fair Shake" over here. Please, this is not a b---- fest. I just find it completely unacceptable for individuals to tinker with others for their own purposes - be it financial, personal or boredom. Truly disappointed with this site.

Dave

[rmp]

There is no admin log of changes that I can see to your post. Are you sure the images weren't changed on the server?

Aside from the pictures, what else changed?

I have asked the other mods about it either way.

[incisor]

I am very sad to say that this has been a less than above the board thread. I am a PAID Vendor member who PAID for the right to post a thread on AULRO. Posts have been edited without the permission of the authors. My attached pictures have also been tampered with. If you look closely, my pictures of Normal Mode and "Extended Mode" are identical pictures. My original pictures included an "Off-Road" mode which showed an additional height change. The "Editor" re-named my Off-Road Mode picture "Extended Mode". This is unacceptable. I am truly at a loss about this. Pointing fingers will do nothing. Pin pointing who has the access to change an authors posts will do nothing. This is sad. I held such a high respect for this site. If for any reason, a member posted a comment or question which was unanswered, I apologize. I feel that I have presented myself with complete professionalism from start to finish regarding this product. It is shocking that I am a paid vendor who was not given a "Fair Shake" over here. Please, this is not a b---- fest. I just find it completely unacceptable for individuals to tinker with others for their own purposes - be it financial, personal or boredom. Truly disappointed with this site.

Dave

there has been no tampering with this post as far as i can ascertain.

every post that is modified tells me so and there is no such note attached to this post. the only exception to this note is if you yourself alter it within the first hour or so of it being posted.

i am still investigating but have found nothing to support your claim so far.

looking into it as best i can.

i might add that it even leaves a note if i edit it.

[CaverD3]

There is no ediot option on own posts.
So when is it possible to edit our own post?

[connock]

Hi
I have been interested in the lift rods for a while but my question is, at these higher setings, at what angle are the drive shafts ie CVs / uni,s whatever at? I have broken CV joints in my Defender befor when giving to much grunt into a turn. Sometimes this is needed when you only have 2.5 wheels on the ground. Do you get vibration at higher speeds? When the car go,s to extended mode will the bags pop? Surly they must top out at some point.

[daveyb]

Are you sure the images weren't changed on the server?

If the images WERE changed on the server, explain to me how my WORDING was changed from Off-Road Mode to Extended Mode?????? It would be impossible to invoke Extended Mode in the middle of a field!

[daveyb]

Hi
I have been interested in the lift rods for a while but my question is, at these higher setings, at what angle are the drive shafts ie CVs / uni,s whatever at? I have broken CV joints in my Defender befor when giving to much grunt into a turn. Sometimes this is needed when you only have 2.5 wheels on the ground. Do you get vibration at higher speeds? When the car go,s to extended mode will the bags pop? Surly they must top out at some point.

Connock - The drive shafts do have a slight increase in angle. We're talking a couple of degrees max. The suspension is well within LR spec for allowable angles. Absolutely no additional vibrations or undue strain on the suspension components. As with stock suspensions, try to avoid a full lock steering input when bumping the throttle. The LR air suspension is designed to accommodate quite a bit of "shock" travel without worry of damage. Standard air bag pressures for Normal Mode hover around 145-155psi. With the Rods, 165-170psi is to be expected. There is a burst pressure of 700+psi. Well within safe operating pressures. The beauty of the Adjustable Rod is that YOU can dial in the amount of lift that suits YOUR needs. Some want 1", some want 2-1/4". No problem. The power is your hands! Cheers.

[rmp]

If the images WERE changed on the server, explain to me how my WORDING was changed from Off-Road Mode to Extended Mode?????? It would be impossible to invoke Extended Mode in the middle of a field!

I can't explain that. You weren't clear about what had changed, I thought perhaps it was the images only.

The admin team has investigated the matter and found no record of any change.

We don't understand why anyone would want to change your post in that way.

The words weren't in any way offensive, we just cannot think of any motivation for a moderator wanting to change. We rarely edit posts and when it is necessary generally we send a PM asking the user to do it, and it's most often for removal of advertising but you're a vendor so that's fine. If we edit we advise the user by PM.

By the way it's not impossible to invoke Extended mode in the middle of a field. Search other posts in this forum for how.

The only possible explanations are:

1. A moderator changed your words from Off-Road Mode to Extended Mode and the images, and did this without triggering the audit log, or the logging system failed, and the mod has not owned up to the change or forgotten about it.

2. A mod changed the post, we know about it, and the whole team is lying to cover it up.

3. The post was never changed, it was like that in the first place.

4. You changed the post, or someone using your login did so.

5. Someone stole a mod login and edited your post, again bypassing the audit system.

I thought perhaps there was a near-identical post with the correct words but that appears not to be the case.

Clearly you think either 1 or 2 is the explanation and unfortunately there's nothing we can do to prove otherwise. All we can say is that if we do discover someone has tampered with your post we'll update this thread and issue an apology.

We hope you have enjoyed AURLO and wish to see you return in any capacity -- this board is open to all Landie enthusiasts and we don't have many Californian LR3 owners here so we wouldn't like to lose the one we have.

[p38arover]

Even when a Mod edits a post, there will be an entry visible to all showing that the post was edited by editor's name at time.

Are you sure you didn't make the errors when you made the initial post?

[slug_burner]

Properties on the photos show that the same photo is used for the two lower pics.

Here is the pic that did not make it

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/772.jpg

[daveyb]

Slug Burner hits the nail on the head! If I had initially made a mistake loading my pictures, THIS would never had existed. It was initially titled Off-Road Mode. My only conclusion is that someone did not want the rest of the forum to see the full extent of my products abilities - for what ever reason. As Caver said, I did not even have the ability to EDIT my post that far back. I am being told that editing ability was not available until mid 2009. I never noticed as editing my posts were a non-issue. His reply was absolutely glossed over. For that, a big Thank You goes to Caver! Spot on! Let's put this to rest. Too much drama already. We all have better things to do.

[daveyb]

By the way it's not impossible to invoke Extended mode in the middle of a field. Search other posts in this forum for how.

After confirming with another member here, your original post reply included a link to a thread concerning extended mode. Which, by the way, I found insulting. Now your link is gone. Explain that RMP? AND there is no general note about the EDIT which happened. Hmmm. Clearly, there is technology to manipulate this forum from behind the scenes. Shame on you.

[Neil P]

What happened to the Disco3.co.uk link in Post #24 ?
It's been pulled WITHOUT ANY EDIT NOTE after posting.
This entire tread shows a serious issue with honesty .
That's a disgrace .........
Most of us are linked by emails and other Forums , which has provided some very interesting conversations of late.

[p38arover]

Slug Burner hits the nail on the head! If I had initially made a mistake loading my pictures, THIS would never had existed. It was initially titled Off-Road Mode. My only conclusion is that someone did not want the rest of the forum to see the full extent of my products abilities - for what ever reason. As Caver said, I did not even have the ability to EDIT my post that far back. I am being told that editing ability was not available until mid 2009. I never noticed as editing my posts were a non-issue. His reply was absolutely glossed over. For that, a big Thank You goes to Caver! Spot on! Let's put this to rest. Too much drama already. We all have better things to do.

Mate, you're paranoid!

Slug Burner finding that pic doesn't prove a thing unless he'd saved it. The properties gives the link to your photobucket site from where it was easy to grab the link.

No Admin or Mod would have edited your post - they'd have no reason to. The Moderator logs show no one edited it. I suspect you screwed up when you made the original post.

[p38arover]

After confirming with another member here, your original post reply included a link to a thread concerning extended mode. Which, by the way, I found insulting. Now your link is gone. Explain that RMP? AND there is no general note about the EDIT which happened. Hmmm. Clearly, there is technology to manipulate this forum from behind the scenes. Shame on you.

Can you see the note showing you edited your post?

[p38arover]

What happened to the Disco3.co.uk link in Post #24 ?
It's been pulled WITHOUT ANY EDIT NOTE after posting.
This entire tread shows a serious issue with honesty .
That's a disgrace .........
Most of us are linked by emails and other Forums , which has provided some very interesting conversations of late.


The only link to that site that I've seen is in your earlier post. Did rmp have it in his post?

Are you accusing us Mods of dishonesty? It sure sounds that way. :mad:

[rmp]

After confirming with another member here, your original post reply included a link to a thread concerning extended mode. Which, by the way, I found insulting. Now your link is gone. Explain that RMP? AND there is no general note about the EDIT which happened. Hmmm. Clearly, there is technology to manipulate this forum from behind the scenes. Shame on you.

I can categorically state that I didn't put any link in my reply, I just said it had been discussed already. A search will turn up a few links. I didn't edit my post, and if anyone did they did so without triggering the audit.

I didn't mean to insult you by correcting that statement, sorry.

[rmp]

Well, I still don't know what happened. To be clear, Davey, I'm not accusing you of anything. Something happened and to me there's no clear evidence what happened, who, how or why, thus I need to keep an open mind on it. I'm just sorry this whole thing started.

There's no issue with linking to DISCO3.CO.UK - Dedicated to Discovery 3 and LR3 Owners and Enthusiasts (http://www.disco3.co.uk) or any other site. I've done it myself in the FAQ for example, and many other posts have too.

Just realised post 24 is my own, and that's EXACTLY as I originally posted it.

[CaverD3]

It is interesting that this discussion on this thread is here in full and had not been moderated.
If there is something funny going on it would not seem to be the moderators.



Hi
I have been interested in the lift rods for a while but my question is, at these higher setings, at what angle are the drive shafts ie CVs / uni,s whatever at? I have broken CV joints in my Defender befor when giving to much grunt into a turn. Sometimes this is needed when you only have 2.5 wheels on the ground. Do you get vibration at higher speeds? When the car go,s to extended mode will the bags pop? Surly they must top out at some point.

In the development of the Mitchell Bros "air up kit" which gives a selectable 35mm lift (much like DaveyBs adjustable rods can) we found there was no problem with extended mode but trying to put into super extended would put the height sensor out of range and give a suspension fault.
If you give it too much boot in extended mode on full lock you can break the CV joints. Only failures in the D3 I have heard of have ben in this situation.
No vibration at higher speeds but as Davey said get a wheel alignment done if you permanently change the rod lengths.

[daveyb]

No worries Mods. Thanks for checking things out. **** it. Let's grab a beer. Cheers!

[p38arover]

Davey, if you can't edit the relevant post, I can do that for you to add the correct pic and text.

Ron

[incisor]

What happened to the Disco3.co.uk link in Post #24 ?
It's been pulled WITHOUT ANY EDIT NOTE after posting.
This entire tread shows a serious issue with honesty .
That's a disgrace .........
Most of us are linked by emails and other Forums , which has provided some very interesting conversations of late.


There's no issue with linking to DISCO3.CO.UK - Dedicated to Discovery 3 and LR3 Owners and Enthusiasts (http://www.disco3.co.uk/) or any other site. I've done it myself in the FAQ for example, and many other posts have too.

Just realised post 24 is my own, and that's EXACTLY as I originally posted it.

that clears that up..

do we get an apology?

[dullbird]

I would also like to point out after reading this thread that when using the photobucket site (which I use all the time) I had noticed that since they removed the 1 click on the IMG code to copy...

I have on regular occasions put more than one picture in to my threads only to realise that each time I have gone into photobucket to copy the next image to clip board, it has in fact NOT done it and I have on several occasion posted a picture of the same thing unintentionally...it drives me crackers and I dont know why it has done that...

But every time I put pictures in a thread now from photo bucket I always preview the post before hitting submit...and 8/10 I have to change some pictures that are duplicates

[rmp]

Davey, if you'd like to write an entry for the FAQ about solutions to the suspension issue I'm happy to post it. You can include your URL. Only requirement is that the entry is factual, not sales speak. This is not linked to your vendor status at all, it's purely because the issue exists and you have a solution and that is of general interest to owners.

CaverD3 that goes for you and the MB solution too.

And anyone else out there with a solution!

[rmp]

I would also like to point out after reading this thread that when using the photobucket site (which I use all the time) I had noticed that since they removed the 1 click on the IMG code to copy...

I have on regular occasions put more than one picture in to my threads only to realise that each time I have gone into photobucket to copy the next image to clip board, it has in fact NOT done it and I have on several occasion posted a picture of the same thing unintentionally...it drives me crackers and I dont know why it has done that...

But every time I put pictures in a thread now from photo bucket I always preview the post before hitting submit...and 8/10 I have to change some pictures that are duplicates

This to me seems the most likely explanation.

Thanks DB.

[rmp]

What happened to the Disco3.co.uk link in Post #24 ?
It's been pulled WITHOUT ANY EDIT NOTE after posting.
This entire tread shows a serious issue with honesty .
That's a disgrace .........
Most of us are linked by emails and other Forums , which has provided some very interesting conversations of late.

As a mod mentioned, it would be easy to prove there was never such a link. You probably got an email notification of my reply to this thread which would have included the post in question. Examine that and you will see there was no link in my post. I'm too lazy for that ;-)

I disagree there is any issue with honesty. That is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion simply because there are events that cannot be explained.

There have been mistakes made, incorrect assumptions drawn....but that isn't the same as dishonesty. If (and it is if) Davey made a mistake in the original post because of the Photobucket issue DB describes he's not being dishonest in thinking his post was modified. We, the mod team, aren't being dishonest when we say we haven't done anything to the post, because we haven't.

Finally let's look at the actual alleged change. Two photos are the same, and the words Offroad Mode have been changed to Extended.

I simply do not see any motivation for anyone to effect these changes. The original wasn't offensive, the changes aren't funny, they aren't witty, the product isn't being denigrated...it's a nothing change, I just can't see why anyone would bother. Long experience with Internet comms tells me that when such things happen, there's a reason, mischief is afoot or ulterior motive. Cannot for the life of me see that here, which indicates inadvertent error more than malice.

[daveyb]

that clears that up..

do we get an apology?

I apologize up and down for causing undue stress and questioning the Mods. Just an unexplainable situation. No blood.