I hope none of you is bidding on this

[p38arover]

This eBay auction Landrover RangeRover P38 key fob, remote, plip. NOS. - eBay Keyless Entry Remote, Safety, Security, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 19-Feb-09 21:18:54 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Landrover-RangeRover-P38-key-fob-remote-plip-NOS_W0QQitemZ110350510511QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item110350510511&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

is fraudulant in that the seller advertises the key fobs are easily reprogrammed to your car.

They cannot be reprogrammed. Besides is it on 315MHz or 433MHz?

Do not bid :(

[p38arover]

I've emailed him and told him they can't be reprogrammed.

He says he will advise the high bidder. Why not cancel the adverts (he has two advertised)?

I see his sells a bit of LR stuff on eBay.

[BMKal]

I see he's sold it for $150 and in the Q&A states that NO refund will be given if it cannot be re-programmed to the buyer's vehicle.

[Scouse]

Hey Ron, I thought you weren't going to dob me in providing you got your cut :mad:.
Oh well, that's $150 I don't have to split now :).


Now for the next suc...client ;).

[BMKal]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[p38arover]

Hey Ron, I thought you weren't going to dob me in providing you got your cut :mad:.
Oh well, that's $150 I don't have to split now :).


Now for the next suc...client ;).

Hell's Bells! How was I supposed to know you used a different name on eVilBay! :mad:

:D:D

Although, thinking about it, AndrewE is very cunning and uses Son of Bundalene to hide his identity! :p

[Scouse]

If I didn't know better, I would say this guy works at a Land Rover & Volvo dealership.
He recently sold a set of rubber mats that had been in the car for a few days so are these ex-warranty parts maybe?

I know that our Parts Dept has a few new P38 keys that were specially ordered but not collected but they're still on the shelves and not on eBay.

[p38arover]

Hmm, could be. He told me that they'd been given to him:


i was given these by a friend and i have just passed on the info i have the winning bidder will be notified and re-funded,

- then I checked and found he was a regular seller of LR and Volvo stuff. Lots of owners' handbooks.

One can't quite read the key code on the fob.

[V8Ian]

You could get a job at 'Choice' Ron :DGood work

[Scouse]

He's just listed a NOS P38 loadspace cover too.
It must be some friend who gives him this stuff. I wish I had friends like that.

Landrover RangeRover P38 rear load cover, parcel shelf. - eBay Keyless Entry Remote, Safety, Security, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 27-Feb-09 21:35:41 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Landrover-RangeRover-P38-rear-load-cover-parcel-shelf_W0QQitemZ110354165201QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C ar_Parts_Accessories?hash=item110354165201&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

I'm going to ask where "pick up" is. It might not help but you never know :).

[vnx205]

Has nobody noticed the grammatical error in Ron's title to this thread?

Perhaps people are reluctant to point it out in case Ron takes offense or thinks that someone is trying to humiliate him. :p

Yes, I know any posts of mine will now be scrutinised in great detail in the hope that I have made some sort of error too. I think I can live with that. :p

[V8Ian]

Has nobody noticed the grammatical error in Ron's title to this thread?

Perhaps people are reluctant to point it out in case Ron takes offense or thinks that someone is trying to humiliate him. :p

Yes, I know any posts of mine will now be scrutinised in great detail in the hope that I have made some sort of error too. I think I can live with that. :p

Should it be........I hope none of youse are bidding on this :D

[vnx205]

Should it be........I hope none of youse are bidding on this :D

Close, but no cigar. :p

[abaddonxi]

Is/are.

[p38arover]

Is/are.

"You" is plural in the thread title.

[vnx205]

Is/are.

Yes. Can you explain why?

[vnx205]

"You" is plural in the thread title.

Maybe so, but "you" isn't the subject of the verb "is voting".

[p38arover]

Maybe so, but "you" isn't the subject of the verb "is voting".

.... and "is voting" isn't part of the thread title. :angel:

The subject being "none" which is singular.

[abaddonxi]

Not the foggiest idea, but it was the closest thing that I could find.:p

[p38arover]

English was my worst subject at school. :(

[dullbird]

WOW I have never been witness to a WORD OFF before :Rolling:

[vnx205]

.... and "is voting" isn't part of the thread title. :angel:

The subject being "none" which is singular.

I have no idea where "voting" came from and at this hour I can't even make up a plausible excuse for that mistake.

The way I generally find works to convince people that it is "none" that is the subject of "is bidding" rather than "youse" is to rephrase it.

"Of youse lot, I hope no-one is bidding on this." - or something like that.

It is often hard for people to believe what the subject of the verb is in the original version.

Consequently it is a very common mistake, but not one over which I normally lose a lot of sleep.

[vnx205]

WOW I have never been witness to a WORD OFF before :Rolling:

Just you wait until we resort to "gerunds governing pronouns in the possessive case" at 50 paces.

Things could get ugly then. :p

[dullbird]

I reckon!!! If you both walk 50 paces away from each other I think you will fall off my monitor :lol2:

[EchiDna]

shhh!!!... enough of the english lessons, I would like to watch Scouse conduct his investigation and catch a spare parts "re-birth" specialist in the act... :)

its like reading a whodunnit in slow motion....

[p38arover]

I would like to watch Scouse conduct his investigation and catch a spare parts "re-birth" specialist in the act... :)

Me, too!

[JohnE]

This is interesting, for something that started off as a polite reminder, might end up being a pilferer at work,
Funny Ron, you think your doing the right thing and they (the evilbayers) ignore you, I tried that the other week pointing out to a seller that an item for sale would not fit into the model of L/R they were advertising it for. They ignored me and the price went up, and was sold. Would love to see the look on the face of the person who bought it when they find it won't fit without major cutting and shunting.

Go for it Mr Scouse,as a suggestion go and view the large item with view to buy.



je

[p38arover]

Unfortunately, bidder names are now hidden so one can't even warn them anymore. I have in the past.

Re the new item, the bloke now knows my username name - but he doesn't know my son's......

[vnx205]

shhh!!!... enough of the english lessons, I would like to watch Scouse conduct his investigation and catch a spare parts "re-birth" specialist in the act... :)

its like reading a whodunnit in slow motion....


Me, too!


Me too!

Sorry.:blush:

[p38arover]

Me too!

Sorry.:blush:

Thanks. I have wondered about the use of the comma there.

I'm not that good on the niceties of grammar but I'm always willing to learn.

[ivery819]

I would have thought that 'none of' in this case was used in the adjectival sense and therefore would not influence the verb.

The sentence can be reconstructed to illustrate the point.
"I hope none of you are bidding on this" or without the adjectival sense;
"I hope you are bidding on this"
Whether the 'you' is singular or plural will depend on the reader's interpretation or the writer's original intention. In this case Ron has flagged that he meant the plural by using 'are' instead of 'is' .
:wasntme:

[vnx205]

Me, too!


Me too!

Sorry.:blush:


Thanks. I have wondered about the use of the comma there.

I'm not that good on the niceties of grammar.

Now you have presented me with a bit of a problem.

I can see a couple of different ways to interpret the last part of this discussion.

Some of the possibilities are:


You thought that when I wrote, "Me too!" that I was correcting your punctuation.
You knew that I meant that I was also interested in the whodunnit, but saw an opportunity to draw attention to the ambiguity of my response.
Since I rarely see errors in your punctuation, grammar and spelling, the second part of your response is tongue in cheek.
That given your interest in the rules and conventions of the English language, your comments can be just taken at face value.

Now to make my problem even worse, I am not sure what I would prefer; to be made aware of how I should have interpreted your response or to be allowed to continue to consider any one or maybe some combination of those possibilities is correct. :p

[p38arover]

Now you have presented me with a bit of a problem.

I can see a couple of different ways to interpret the last part of this discussion.

Some of the possibilities are:


You thought that when I wrote, "Me too!" that I was correcting your punctuation.
You knew that I meant that I was also interested in the whodunnit, but saw an opportunity to draw attention to the ambiguity of my response.
Since I rarely see errors in your punctuation, grammar and spelling, the second part of your response is tongue in cheek.
That given your interest in the rules and conventions of the English language, your comments can be just taken at face value.

Now to make my problem even worse, I am not sure what I would prefer; to be made aware of how I should have interpreted your response or to be allowed to continue to consider any one or maybe some combination of those possibilities is correct. :p

:D:D:D

Actually, I did think you were correcting it. It hadn't dawned on me that you were interested in the results of Scouse's "investigation". :(

Re grammar, I'm happy to take corrections. I'm learning all the time. If I see something I don't understand, I do look it up on the 'Net (I no longer have any English textbooks). I will have to look up the gerund. :D

As I indicated in an earlier post, English was my worst subject at school. Back in the early Seventies, I moved from the field to HO. My boss at the time, George Kennedy, was a Polish immigrant. George had to read and sign off on all correspondence from our section before it could be sent. He corrected many of my telexes before transmission and improved my grammar. The corrections weren't major but there was rarely a time when a document would get through without being amended. :D

The thing was that George explained why he made the change(s). This was important.

One I particularly remember was differentiating between the the use of "owing to" and "due to".

It wasn't until I started to work for George that I learned how my grammar could be improved. I'm still not that good but I do try to make my sentences understandable. I don't always succeed.

I was always good at spelling but I didn't take much notice of grammar at school. To be honest, I probably disliked English for most of high school - until we got a new teacher who made it interesting.

As an aside, those who did the Electronics and Communications course at North Sydney Tech in the Seventies may have had George as a lecturer and many will have used his textbook "Electronic Communications Systems" in the course of their studies.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/418.jpg

[vnx205]

I would have thought that 'none of' in this case was used in the adjectival sense and therefore would not influence the verb.

No, "none" is definitely the subject.

The sentence can be reconstructed to illustrate the point.
"I hope none of you are bidding on this" or without the adjectival sense;
"I hope you are bidding on this"
Whether the 'you' is singular or plural will depend on the reader's interpretation or the writer's original intention. In this case Ron has flagged that he meant the plural by using 'are' instead of 'is' .
:wasntme:

As no-one has picked me up on my earlier explanation, I will offer a small modification to what I said before about Ron's grammar.

The more unkind of you may interpret that last sentence as, "I got it wrong".

That would be a little unfair though.

The fact is that Ron might have been wrong but it has nothing to do with whether "you" or "youse" :p is singular or plural.

The subject of the verb in Ron's heading is "none", not "you".

The issue is whether "none" is singular or plural. It can be either and in this example both are possibilities.

As someone who learned most of his grammar before a lot of members of AULRO were born I tend to automatically think of "none" as being singular; a bit like "not one".

However there are circumstances where it can mean "not any", in which case it would be plural.

So if Ron's heading was expressing a hope that not a single AULRO member was bidding, then "none" is singular and the verb should be "is bidding".

However the topic could be read to mean that he hopes there weren't any members bidding, in which case "are bidding" would be correct.

Perhaps that is what you were trying to explain earlier Ron, when you said "you" was plural. It obviously was, but that's not relevant.

Anyone who doesn't follow that explanation or who doesn't believe me can check in this article:
And Then There Were None (http://www.englishplus.com/grammar/None.htm)
or in one the 1,670,000 that come up if you Google (google?) "grammar none agreement".

So, the ball is back in your court Ron. Were you hoping that not a single member would bid or that no members would bid?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

:zzz:

:eek:

sorry,,

[vnx205]

:zzz:

:eek:

sorry,,


That's OK. :)

This is one of those situations where I felt it was more important for me to offer the apology (of sorts) than it was for anyone to understand or care about it.:D

None of the posts on the forum is actually compulsory reading. A fact for which I'm sure a lot of us are often eternally grateful. :p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Its all good:D,, was only a poor attempt at humour anyway,,,:angel:

We all have our niches (OMG!) of expertise,,
and its always good to read posts from people who are passionate about things.

[p38arover]

Were you an English teacher, VNX?

Ron (just finished watching another episode of The Adventure of English)

[vnx205]

Were you an English teacher, VNX?

Ron (just finished watching another episode of The Adventure of English)

I had planned to keep it quiet because there seem to be so many people with some sort of prejudice against people with university degrees in general and teachers in particular. :)
A few years ago an acquaintance called around to see me when I had the Series III engine suspended above the engine bay after having just fitted rings and bearings. His comment was typical of the instinctive reaction of a lot of people. He said something like, "But you can't do that. You're an English teacher."

I taught English for 34 years as well as some History and a bit of Computer Studies, Photography and fibreglass kayak building.

I am currently teaching 0.5 Computer Studies and Darkroom Photography.

Fortunately most people have become bored with this thread (like Pedro :p) and have stopped reading it, so you will probably be the only one who knows my dark secret.

[dullbird]

I may have the most shocking grammar on here......BUT I read it all the way through ;) and I too now know your secret

[vnx205]

I may have the most shocking grammar on here......BUT I read it all the way through ;) and I too now know your secret

Yes, but that's OK, because after Yalwal last year, you only know me as "the bloke with the camper". You don't know my real name. :p

[dullbird]

yeah but there is not many blokes with the camper that have good english like you so you will be easy to track down

[V8Ian]

As no-one has picked me up on my earlier explanation, I will offer a small modification to what I said before about Ron's grammar.

The more unkind of you may interpret that last sentence as, "I got it wrong".

That would be a little unfair though.

The fact is that Ron might have been wrong but it has nothing to do with whether "you" or "youse" :p is singular or plural.

The subject of the verb in Ron's heading is "none", not "you".

The issue is whether "none" is singular or plural. It can be either and in this example both are possibilities.

As someone who learned most of his grammar before a lot of members of AULRO were born I tend to automatically think of "none" as being singular; a bit like "not one".

However there are circumstances where it can mean "not any", in which case it would be plural.

So if Ron's heading was expressing a hope that not a single AULRO member was bidding, then "none" is singular and the verb should be "is bidding".

However the topic could be read to mean that he hopes there weren't any members bidding, in which case "are bidding" would be correct.

Perhaps that is what you were trying to explain earlier Ron, when you said "you" was plural. It obviously was, but that's not relevant.

Anyone who doesn't follow that explanation or who doesn't believe me can check in this article:
And Then There Were None (http://www.englishplus.com/grammar/None.htm)
or in one the 1,670,000 that come up if you Google (google?) "grammar none agreement".

So, the ball is back in your court Ron. Were you hoping that not a single member would bid or that no members would bid?

But did any member bid?:D

[vnx205]

But did any member bid?:D
:D:D
...and has our resident sleuth made any progress?

[Scouse]

I now have a first name (Stu), a mobile phone number, a suburb (Menai) & an invitation to call around & have a look at the parcel shelf myself. I can also make an offer & take it with me too (if he agrees to the price).

I'll be making a few enquiries on Monday.

[V8Ian]

I hated English at school, couldn't see any point in it. I could hold a conversation with my peers, spell reasonabley enough to get by when I was compelled to put pen to paper and read, of which I did copious amounts.
It wasn't until I was approaching middle age and starting to write training manuals and lesson plans etc., that I developed an interest in (very basic) grammar. Maybe our education system is trying to ram this type of lesson down kids throats before they are old enough to appreciate it. Similarly with spelling, do kids still have to learn Latin & Greek roots. They were so boring and dry, as a child, but rather interesting now.
And, yes I've been following the thread from the begining, with interest.

[vnx205]

I hated English at school, couldn't see any point in it. I could hold a conversation with my peers, spell reasonabley enough to get by when I was compelled to put pen to paper and read, of which I did copious amounts.
It wasn't until I was approaching middle age and starting to write training manuals and lesson plans etc., that I developed an interest in (very basic) grammar. Maybe our education system is trying to ram this type of lesson down kids throats before they are old enough to appreciate it. Similarly with spelling, do kids still have to learn Latin & Greek roots. They were so boring and dry, as a child, but rather interesting now.

And, yes I've been following the thread from the beginning, with interest.
If they are learning them just for the sake of learning them, then I imagine they are bored out of their brains.

If they are learning them as a means to an end, they are probably getting some benefit.

I just read that 90-95% of all English vocabulary with more than one syllable comes from Greek and Latin roots, so they are a significant part of our language.

However, that by itself is not a reason to learn them.

The reason it can be helpful to have some knowledge of Greek and Latin roots is that it helps with reading, writing and spelling.

An example of that might be someone faced for the first time with the word "vacancy". They don't actually need to know that it comes from the Latin "vacare" meaning "empty".

What they may know if they have some understanding, not so much of specific Latin and Greek roots, but rather the way our language is constructed around those roots, is it is based on the same root as "vacuum". If they have some idea of the meaning of the word "vacuum", they can make a pretty good guess at the meaning of the unfamiliar word "vacancy".

That is only a simple example, but I am trying to make the point that it's not so much the roots themselves that people need to know, but the way the English language is built around them.

They can be a simple way to show the connection between two words to help someone come to grips with the meaning or the spelling of a new word.

Knowing about the derivation of words is a very powerful aid to spelling, writing and reading.

However I might be biased because I am old enough to have studied Latin for the first three years of secondary school. I believe that helped me enormously to understand something about English grammar and vocabulary.

[V8Ian]

I thought English was a mix of Viking/Germanic/Northern European (ancient), Celtic, Latin, Greek, French and a few more languages.
English syntax is pretty much the opposite to German/Dutch, how does this compare to other languages?

[lardy]

you jest he told me i could programme them there fobs for my old defender:o i bought two as he said they were good on series as well so bought one for my mates birthday present:o, then he said they could be re-programmed to open my manual garage so i bought another one, last time he said it would change the channel on the t.v. i told him to stuff it why would i make the wife redundant in this present economic climate !??

[JohnE]

I may have the most shocking grammar on here......BUT I read it all the way through ;) and I too now know your secret


Put that all in the past!
There was a person on here using the same name, that seemed to leave out a word or two in a sentence.
But that person has gone and has been replaced by someone deft in the art of sentence structure and logical thinking.

Where were we? oh thats right vnx was an english teacher.


john


ps word of the week is 'deft'

[p38arover]

ps word of the week is 'deft'

Nope! It's "gerund". :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

A verb form that ends in -ing and is used as a noun.


see what happens when I stay awake?:o

[JohnE]

I tip my hat to your word of the week.


A gerund phrase includes a present participle (a verb form ending in -ing) plus any complements and modifiers.

A verb used as a noun (in Modern English with an “–ing” ending) is a gerund. In the sentence “Reading was Alfred’s favorite leisure

verb ending in -ing, such as "printing

a noun formed by adding the suffix -ing to an infinitive verb.




john

[vnx205]

I tip my hat to your word of the week.


A gerund phrase includes a present participle (a verb form ending in -ing) plus any complements and modifiers.

A verb used as a noun (in Modern English with an “–ing” ending) is a gerund. In the sentence “Reading was Alfred’s favorite leisure

verb ending in -ing, such as "printing

a noun formed by adding the suffix -ing to an infinitive verb.




john


So far, so good, but you haven't got to the tricky bit yet.

Most people would quite happily and deftly (are we allowed to use other forms of the word of the week?) use gerunds (there's the alternate word of the week) while remaining quite oblivious to the fact that they are using one.

The problem arises when they are used with pronounsin a sentence such as, "What did your wife think about you buying yet another Series I project vehicle?"

The pronoun "you" is incorrect for the same reason it would be incorrect to say, "What did your wife think about you sixth Series I project vehicle?"

"Buying" is behaving like a noun in the first sentence just as much as "vehicle" is in the second.

So the correct version would be, "What did your wife think about your buying yet another Series I project vehicle?" for the same reason that it would be, "What did your wife think about your sixth Series I project vehicle?"

Mind you, there are only about two or three of us left alive who bother to use the possessive case of pronouns with gerunds and we were all born before the middle of last century.:p

[Scouse]

Is this the most hijacked thread in AULRO history ?

55 posts & only 17 can be linked to the original :(.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Is this the most hijacked thread in AULRO history ?

55 posts & only 17 can be linked to the original :(.Including these last 2 (49+17=56) :D

Maybe we need an English Language Forum, where all the spelling, grammar, syntax rants can be placed. Putting a language related post (other than a seminal language related link in a thread) anywhere else on AuLRO will result in 1 demerit point.

Diana

[dullbird]

Including these last 2 (49+17=56) :D

Maybe we need an English Language Forum, where all the spelling, grammar, syntax rants can be placed. Putting a language related post (other than a seminal language related link in a thread) anywhere else on AuLRO will result in 1 demerit point.

Diana

if that were the case all posts would get moved there and leave the rest of the forum redundant i reckon :D

[Scouse]

Including these last 2 (49+17=56) :D

Maybe we need an English Language Forum, where all the spelling, grammar, syntax rants can be placed. Putting a language related post (other than a seminal language related link in a thread) anywhere else on AuLRO will result in 1 demerit point.

Diana


if that were the case all posts would get moved there and leave the rest of the forum redundant i reckon :DRight - there's the first 2 demerit points :twisted:.

:p:p

[V8Ian]

The problem arises when they are used with pronounsin a sentence such as, "What did your wife think about you buying yet another Series I project vehicle?"

"What does your wife think about you, buying another etc. etc"

would this make 'and your' understood?

[vnx205]

"What does your wife think about you, buying another etc. etc"

would this make 'and your' understood?

Quite possibly, but I think that would change the meaning slightly.

Certainly in normal, casual conversation words and phrases are often omitted.

After all most of us would often say, "Doesn't matter." Few of us would bother to say "It doesn't matter."

[EchiDna]

c'mon Scouse... how is the old cloak and dagger routine going??

[Scouse]

It's going a bit slow now. I have one more avenue to go down which I'll be doing tomorrow.

I have also had a lead from one of our own customers who bought some D3/Sport bits off him. The seller seemed to know all about them which led our customer to believe he was from a dealership.

If tomorrow doesn't pan out, I'll see if I can line up a visit before the weekend - Thursday evening probably.

[V8Ian]

Elimentary dear Scouse ;)

[willem]

The issue is whether "none" is singular or plural. It can be either and in this example both are possibilities.




Nuns are always single! :p:p:p:D:D:D

Sorry!

Willem

[Pedro_The_Swift]

finally a post I understand,,,

nice one willem:clap2::Rolling:

[p38arover]

Nuns are always single! :p:p:p:D:D:D

Sorry!

Willem

I thought they were married to Jesus.

I've been away for a few days and I can see I have a few posts to read and understand in this thread.

[willem]

I thought they were married to Jesus.




Actually, it is the church that is married to Jesus. Ephesians 5:25-33, especially verse 32.

Willem

[Pedro_The_Swift]

come on willem,,

"QUOTE"




not all of us have THAT reference book---:D

[Chucaro]

soory I coming late and my engleche is no much goody, what it is all about?
Are some nuns for sale on ebay by a LR dealer? I am :confused:

[willem]

come on willem,,

"QUOTE"




not all of us have THAT reference book---:D

G'day Pedro,

Here 'tis!

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/'search=ephesians%205:25-33&version=31#fen-NIV-29315a)] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Verse 31 is a quote from Genesis 2:24 which talks about husband/ wife relationships, and verse 33 applies that the Christ and the church! This amazing passage shows how a man is to look after his wife, with all the care and consideration and self sacrifice that Jesus has for his church, his bride.

To get the full picture of wife/ husband and husband/ wife relationships this should be put in its context of Ephesians 5:21-33.

Willem