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Leo109
22nd February 2009, 09:23 AM
Hi All,

No, not a strike against WMDs (Weapons of Much Deception??) - but against our 300Tdi's head gasket.

Being in the company of, and close proximity to, the Southern Hemisphere's Leading Exponent of the Land Rover Arts (just ask him, he'll tell you so himself!), it seemed like an ideal opportunity to carry out this task in a well-equipped workshop and with expert advice on hand, rather than wait for it to 'go', possibly in a far more remote area. Our 'Daphne' Discovery has 270,000 km on it (not the 360K km as mentioned by JC recently) and 300 to 350K km seems to be a common failure range for the said gasket.

So under the tutelage of The Master, I stripped the top end and removed the head to reveal a gasket showing (in the expert opinion of The Master) definite signs of terminal wear and eventual failure. I'll leave it to others to discuss the relevance and seriousness of these 'signs' from the attached photos.

I was very pleased to see the quite clean piston crowns and valves/head surfaces, with no sign of excessive combustion temperatures despite this engine having been well 'fuelled-up' for the last 180,000 km and having done many, many tens of thousands of kms towing up to 2.3T, in ambients up to and over 46 C. [Also, in recent weeks it's been running slightly advanced injection timing and, for a few days, unlimited boost pressures (i.e. wastegate diaphragm disconnected) up to 22.5 psi - all in the cause of R&D!] Also very welcome was the sight of all that lovely cross-hatching on the bores after this many kms.

While the head was getting a 0.006" 'clean-up', I took the injectors to a local injection specialist (Authorized Bosch Service Agent). While initially skeptical about the worth of testing them at this age, he then invited me into his pump room and confirmed that, while there was a bit of spread in the first stage cracking pressures (between 170 and nearly 180 bar), all the spray patterns were still uniform and quite acceptable. He said he'd be happy to put them back into an engine, so I did.

The engine was re-assembled according to The Master's instructions for care and cleanliness and the clean, oiled head bolts torqued to 40Nm plus two sequences of 60 degree tightening using JC's very simple but foolproof technique. (Well, nearly foolproof. I know nothing is 'foolproof' against sufficiently talented fools but I managed to get it done OK.)

Next day thoroughly flushed the cooling system and refilled it with fresh coolant and demin water and did an oil/filter change, to remove any foreign matter from both systems.

Chatting to my ex-mechanic brother-in-law in FNQ yesterday, he was aghast that we'd not done a valve grind/valves guides and seals while the head was off but JC didn't mention this, so I assume these are normally quite OK on Tdis of this age. I'll have to get his opinion on this next week.

Hope this is of interest to other 300Tdi owners.
Ian

Blknight.aus
22nd February 2009, 10:27 AM
While I dont totally rework the valves I go with a compression check, if the dry compression is ok I leave them alone, if its a little off I do an in situe lap and then the wiggle check while the valve spring is off, IF the wiggle check feels wrong then I go the DTI and make the final assesment.

Due to the nature of the head and valve arrangement the valves last an inordinate amount of time in the TDI if you look after the oil, the lash adjustments and dont abuse the engine.

PAT303
22nd February 2009, 12:47 PM
Maybe we need to get that ''great southern exponent of LR's'' to do an Oz tour to right the wrongs of lesser men.Something like kung foo,he can walk(drive) the country,''AHHH grass hopper you learn well'' ''thank you Donkey D*ck''. Pat

Leo109
22nd February 2009, 06:49 PM
Maybe we need to get that ''great southern exponent of LR's'' to do an Oz tour to right the wrongs of lesser men.Something like kung foo,he can walk(drive) the country,''AHHH grass hopper you learn well'' ''thank you Donkey D*ck''. Pat
Luv it!:D So, does this make me the 'hopper or the... On second thoughts, please don't answer that!
Ian

jimbo110
22nd February 2009, 07:25 PM
Luv it!:D So, does this make me the 'hopper or the... On second thoughts, please don't answer that!
Ian
You wish........................:p

PAT303
22nd February 2009, 08:34 PM
Luv it!:D So, does this make me the 'hopper or the... On second thoughts, please don't answer that!
Ian

Some say his eye's are glow plugs and he can rebuild an LR engine with nothing more than a swiss army knife,All I know is he's called JC. Pat

Disco_owner
22nd February 2009, 11:05 PM
Hi Ian;

surprised you didn't have any head work done , Valves refaced , Valve guides , seats , seals etc ,while you had the head off the 300tdi , although it may not have been necessary to do it , but would have been worthwhile to get it done. well I know when my heads come off to do the gasket in around 200k's I'll get the head work done while it's out.

Edit: Sorry I just saw Dave Blknights post .

rick130
23rd February 2009, 06:24 AM
just a FWIW, when I had the manifolds off a few months back I sprayed carby cleaner into all the valve pockets and the stuff sat there for several hours without disappearing, so I took that as meaning my seats were OK :D
(approx 245,000km at the time)

rick130
23rd February 2009, 06:27 AM
Maybe we need to get that ''great southern exponent of LR's'' to do an Oz tour to right the wrongs of lesser men.Something like kung foo,he can walk(drive) the country,''AHHH grass hopper you learn well'' ''thank you Donkey D*ck''. Pat

:Rolling:
Lucky I wasn't eating Pat. :lol2:

rick130
23rd February 2009, 07:03 AM
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I took the injectors to a local injection specialist (Authorized Bosch Service Agent). While initially skeptical about the worth of testing them at this age, he then invited me into his pump room and confirmed that, while there was a bit of spread in the first stage cracking pressures (between 170 and nearly 180 bar), all the spray patterns were still uniform and quite acceptable. He said he'd be happy to put them back into an engine, so I did.

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Hope this is of interest to other 300Tdi owners.
Ian

What happened to the new ones Ian ?

and yes, your post has been of great interest to all us old Tdi owners (the engines, not the owners :p)

Leo109
23rd February 2009, 04:35 PM
What happened to the new ones Ian ?

and yes, your post has been of great interest to all us old Tdi owners (the engines, not the owners :p)
Hi von Rick-toften,

Still got eight brand-spankers genuine Bosch injectors (albeit made in Turkey?) sitting in their boxes. They cost me just shy of A$100.00 each landed here, so if any AULROers want a set, I'll sell them for that price each plus Express Post ($10.00 if under 3kg total). I'll keep four until mine start to play up noticeably (i.e. excessive smoke or poor fuel consumption).

If no one on here wants a set (and I realise you may be able to get them from Paddocks UK at slightly less than this), I'll probably list them on eBay and see how I go. (Probably have the Moderators on my back now for advertising in the wrong place...)

Stay tuned for the next R&D project - manual traction control for ABS-equipped Discovery 1s. (Do 300Tdi-vintage Defenders have ABS?) Hoping to try this later this week, with JC on call to reset any ABS faults that pop-up.

Pleased all you old Tdi owners have been so 'diverted' by my post (sorry, been watching too many BBC/ABC 'period' dramas lately...)

Ian