Tools on bonnet/guards

[rijidij]

I just picked up a set of tool mounts which I'm thinking of fitting to my 2A Shorty.
Can anyone tell me the exact positions where they go ?
Also, does anyone have pics of the actual tools that fit them ?
It seems a bit pointless fitting them if they don't have tools to go with them.

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/1337.jpg

[juddy]

axe mount

[Col.Coleman]

Not picking on people, but a general thing that seems to be happening alot on here lately is this.

In people's eagerness to give American style help, they are blundering in giving what they think is needed without considering things properly.

This is the series 11/11A section. You have posted a picture of a Camel County with non-military pioneer tool holders, when clearly the question was about the military tools pictured in the first post.

Check the REMLR section and I am sure you will find plenty of pictures of the pioneer tools mounted on the guards of ex-military vehicles from where they originated and you can then replecate.

Read the question, research your facts, be prepared to be flamed if it is wrong.

This kind of rush to do good, costs other people.

CC

[Shonky]

Layout as per Series vehicles:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/DSCF0062.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/DSCF0063.jpg


Layout as per Perenties:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/27092008709-1.jpg

[Shonky]

I will try and dig out a pic with tools installed, but I notice you are missing the shovel handle clamp. (first pic, far right)

LHS:
- Shovel (Blade in socket, handle held in clamp)
- Pick Head (on upright bracket)

RHS:
- Axe (Head held in flat clamp, handle through inboard position on double clamp)
- Pick Handle (Held through outboard position on double clamp and other clamp on axe head holder)

[Shonky]

Tools in situ - Series layout:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/DSCF2078.jpg

Tools in situ - Perentie layout:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/27092008705.jpg

[rijidij]

I notice you are missing the shovel handle clamp.

Thanks for the pics Mate.

I was told it was a complete set when I bought them........Bugga

If anyone has the missing bit, please let me know.

Cheers, Murray

[olmate]

Not picking on people, but a general thing that seems to be happening alot on here lately is this.

In people's eagerness to give American style help, they are blundering in giving what they think is needed without considering things properly.

This is the series 11/11A section. You have posted a picture of a Camel County with non-military pioneer tool holders, when clearly the question was about the military tools pictured in the first post.

Check the REMLR section and I am sure you will find plenty of pictures of the pioneer tools mounted on the guards of ex-military vehicles from where they originated and you can then replecate.

Read the question, research your facts, be prepared to be flamed if it is wrong.

This kind of rush to do good, costs other people.

CC


Bloody hell mate - Hope I dont answer a question wrong :eek:

Of course the fella asking the question could always take a look at the answer and say "no thanks fella - that's not what I was after".

[rovercare]

Not picking on people, but a general thing that seems to be happening alot on here lately is this.

In people's eagerness to give American style help, they are blundering in giving what they think is needed without considering things properly.

This is the series 11/11A section. You have posted a picture of a Camel County with non-military pioneer tool holders, when clearly the question was about the military tools pictured in the first post.

Check the REMLR section and I am sure you will find plenty of pictures of the pioneer tools mounted on the guards of ex-military vehicles from where they originated and you can then replecate.

Read the question, research your facts, be prepared to be flamed if it is wrong.

This kind of rush to do good, costs other people.

CC

But you post was less helpful than his:p














And this post by me is even less helpful than yours:angel::D

[olmate]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Roll ing:

[Col.Coleman]

Bloody hell mate - Hope I dont answer a question wrong :eek:

Of course the fella asking the question could always take a look at the answer and say "no thanks fella - that's not what I was after".

I'm not picking on Juddy. It just brought to light something that has bugged me for ages. People replying to threads that haven't read the post properly, or particuarly blundering in and posting details of vehicles or equipment thinking they are helping but in the process stuffing up someone elses deals.

Information is very important, and should be treated as such. There is nothing worse than recieveing the wrong info, because if you rely on it it can cost the person asking the question a great deal if time, effort and money.

Since the beginning of the year, this type of self-gratifying help has deeply wounded me leading to the loss of a vehicle. Sorry if I'm a bit testy.

CC

[olmate]

Then - it was a shame for you to have lost a vehicle however, I think the point here would be that we should not limit ourselves to one source of info.

You are very right - Info is important and the wrong info can be worse. However there are a lot of people here trying to do the right thing and they shouldn't be discouraged. The responsibility for using info rests with the fella asking for it - that person makes the decision.

Anyway - I am off my soap box and we should get back to the thread.

[101RRS]

Putting a question up on a forum is like buying a car - Caveat Emptor

It is up to the poster to work out what is relevant and what is less relevant - but it is also up to the respondent to be as honest and truthful as possible - an I am sure most people try to be - however if unsure of something - say so.

I think that when all responses are considered, rather than just on or two, the correct answers are obvious.

Garry

[rijidij]

................... and we should get back to the thread.

Thanks, I would appreciate that. I'm not a big fan of thread hijacking, and I'm not gunna waste any more time than this post crapping on about it. :D

[garryseries3]

Well Murray we must be destined to catch up I have at my shed a set of army series 3 guards with the tools holders on them so you can get the positioning spot on with your series 2 shorty. Call you some time today.
Kindest regards
Garry

[foz.in.oz]

There was also an option of fitting them to the tail gate on soft tops. see link

LAND ROVER PARTS - TAILGATE TOOL MOUNT KIT - SERIES & DEFENDER (http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-5485-tailgate-tool-mount-kit-series-defender.aspx)

[juddy]

Mr Coleman my apologies, but i see othe non series pics on here too.

[akelly]

Not picking on people, but a general thing that seems to be happening alot on here lately is this.

In people's eagerness to give American style help....

Read the question, research your facts, be prepared to be flamed if it is wrong.

This kind of rush to do good, costs other people.

CC

Tell you what mate - you are picking on people, and you are an A grade (bonnet) tool (clamp) in my books. Perhaps if (bonnet tool) knobs like you weren't so quick to blindly follow advice without doing their own "research" they wouldn't run into problems.

Out.

[rovercare]

Tell you what mate - you are picking on people, and you are an A grade (bonnet) tool (clamp) in my books. Perhaps if (bonnet tool) knobs like you weren't so quick to blindly follow advice without doing their own "research" they wouldn't run into problems.

Out.


:eek::eek::o:D

[Shonky]

Not taking sides here, but did we really need to dig out a 2 day old thread to have a go at someone, for having a go at someone else? :(

[rovercare]

But you post was less helpful than his:p














And this post by me is even less helpful than yours:angel::D


Not taking sides here, but did we really need to dig out a 2 day old thread to have a go at someone, for having a go at someone else? :(


:D:D:D

[Col.Coleman]

Tell you what mate - you are picking on people, and you are an A grade (bonnet) tool (clamp) in my books. Perhaps if (bonnet tool) knobs like you weren't so quick to blindly follow advice without doing their own "research" they wouldn't run into problems.

Out.

Ah another one who read a few lines and then their brain went on holiday while their mouth kicked into gear.

My issue was not directly related to the placement or procurement of pioneer tool brackets if you had cared to read further, but this happened to highlight a particular theme emerging on this site where members while trying to be what they beleive to be helpful, inadvertantly confuse and compound the problems of other members.

Somebody was asking for the correct information on a particular item and advice came in the form that not one single thing was correct, down to the labelling of an axe holder which clearly held a pick head. As I said, I'm not picking on Juddy, as I know he was trying to help, in fact I have supplied Juddy with advice while leading up to the purchse of his 130, but pointing out that it sometimes does alot more harm than good. Is it too much to ask for people to think about their response?

Rijidij, on the highjack. I'm sorry. I said my piece, some have responded to what I said, and I feel it needs a response. You have gained the info you were after, right down to finding out your set was incomplete although surprise, surprise you had advice otherwise.

Anyone else with a mouth, use a PM.

CC

[rijidij]

I have at my shed a set of army series 3 guards with the tools holders on them
Kindest regards
Garry

Well, Garry kindly called in to my place today with a couple of ex-army guards with the tool holders still in place. Got all the info I need. What a top bloke.........thanks Garry.

[Col.Coleman]

Well, Garry kindly called in to my place today with a couple of ex-army guards with the tool holders still in place. Got all the info I need. What a top bloke.........thanks Garry.

Great to hear, Show us the pics when you are done.

CC

[rijidij]

Great to hear, Show us the pics when you are done.

CC

As I'm missing one clamp and I don't have the tools, I haven't decided wether to fit the clamps or not yet. There's plenty of time to decide as the 2A's not on the road yet, but here's a pic of the 2A 2.25 diesel anyway..................

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/87.jpg

[Col.Coleman]

Very Nice. I have the same model, although not as pretty. I love it as you get the funky metal dash, but the headlights in the guards so you can see 2 feet in front of you instead of the usual 1.

Original tools will be VERY hard to find, but like the rest of us, just go to Bunnings and buy the modern Cyclone or Trojan equivelant. I took my holders into the store before I fitted them to see which tools fitted best.

Very Nice workspace there. Love the pit. Is that a series 111 plastic grill I see there:angel:

CC

[Turtle61]

As I'm missing one clamp and I don't have the tools, I haven't decided wether to fit the clamps or not yet. There's plenty of time to decide as the 2A's not on the road yet, but here's a pic of the 2A 2.25 diesel anyway..................


Nice, very nice... I like the old Series II/IIA cross-eyed look. But that's my preference.
Here is a pic of my SII (1961) at Cape York. The tools I have a Bunnings Special, definitely not original, but they fit and do the job.

http://members.optuszoo.com.au/~igolka/library/images/Turtle61-CapeYork.jpg

[4bee]

I like the old Series II/IIA cross-eyed look. But that's my preference.Don't worry. There's a lot that would kill for that look. Mine is as well. The only style concession LR made to the vehicle? Chrome headlamp rims.

I remember your odyssey. Seems a million years ago now.:D

[Turtle61]

Yeah... seems like a million years ago - at it was ;) Year 2000. Cheers mate.

[rijidij]

Is that a series 111 plastic grill I see there:angel:

CC

Yeah, I thought I would get some sort of 'grilling' about the grill. :eek::D It's a personal thing, I just prefer that look, and I was missing the original anyway.

Murray

[4bee]

Don't worry about it. Some people can be a bit too precious sometimes about these things.
Your vehicle, your choice.:D

Murray. Is that a pre-cast Inspection Pit in your floor?


If you have fitted sealed beam lamps, you will have an excellent light source as opposed to the old reflector type, in the wings or not.

[rijidij]

Is that a pre-cast Inspection Pit in your floor?

Nah, not pre-cast. My concreter formed it up with the floor. It's been very handy. I'm glad I put it in.

[Blknight.aus]

from a greasers point....


i do not like the tools on the wing. I have seen a configuration with both the spare and the tools on the bonnet which I do really like.

put your tools on the wing, open the bonnet and the lean over it and pretend to do the tappets on your engine.

Its fair enough IF your putting it on an actuall EX mil vehicle but if you adding them to a personal vehicle I think a little function before form is in order.


just my 2 cents.

[Turtle61]

...Its fair enough IF your putting it on an actuall EX mil vehicle but if you adding them to a personal vehicle I think a little function before form is in order.

But you'd have to agree it is far safer than a flying axe/mattock/shovel when going down a particularly steep hill... not too mention accessibility if you're stuck up to the axles - usually the bonnet (and top of wings) are still on top in most situations where a shovel or axe would be needed. In a shorty IT IS FUNCTION BEFORE FORM especially on a long trip where every bit of load space counts... besides, there is no space on the bonnet for tools with a 750 or 235/85 tyre on it.

If you're questioning mil/civvy issue, a lot of military mods and equipment find their way into civvy life - tried and tested so why not use it. It would be a different argument if a civvy SII was pretending to be an ex-mil - it would be like a civilian dressing up in ozcam and parading stomping his boots in Oxford Street in February...

[Outlaw]

I have seen a configuration with both the spare and the tools on the bonnet which I do really like.
Any chance of pics or a diagram? Haven't seen it myself.

[Blknight.aus]

But you'd have to agree it is far safer than a flying axe/mattock/shovel when going down a particularly steep hill... not too mention accessibility if you're stuck up to the axles - usually the bonnet (and top of wings) are still on top in most situations where a shovel or axe would be needed. In a shorty IT IS FUNCTION BEFORE FORM especially on a long trip where every bit of load space counts... besides, there is no space on the bonnet for tools with a 750 or 235/85 tyre on it.

If you're questioning mil/civvy issue, a lot of military mods and equipment find their way into civvy life - tried and tested so why not use it. It would be a different argument if a civvy SII was pretending to be an ex-mil - it would be like a civilian dressing up in ozcam and parading stomping his boots in Oxford Street in February...

there are other places to put them in a shorty, I had a unimog tool bracket fitted to Bug 1.0 that was bolted to the 3 ribs on the slopey part of the roof

with the 7.50R16LT steel trek on the bonnet theres enough room for the shovel off to one side, the mattock head in front of it and the handle and axe off on the other side.

you need to bend the mounts a little, space out the edges and put them on backwards (IE the business end of the shovel and axe go closest to the vents to make them fit properly..

I have no problems with people doing things that get done in the military Im guilty of that myself.

BUT

my point wasnt about that it was more about the selection of the location for mounting the tools and that IMHO from a mechanics POV putting the tools on the wings gets to be painful when you have to do some of the works that turns up on engines.

If you have no other place to put them then thats fine and it fits function before form no problems. If its going onto a historic vehicle well thats where they were and thats where they belong and thats part of the function of the vehicle being a faithful replica/recreation/rebuild.

If your putting them on the wings because youve seen it before, you like the brackets and you like the idea thats the stage that I suggest you have a look at where your going to put them, The first time you wind up in the RAP with a bruised + torn abdomen after catching yourself on tool bracket bolt (the one that holds the axe and mattock is great for it) you'll curse putting them there.

Sorry outlaw, no pics it was a chance visit but I'll be doing that to fozzy IF I get a set prior to CCCCC

[LRnut]

Hi Murray,
Can I ask where you got those tool fixings? I have been after them for ages, resigned to the fact that I will have to make my own.

Cheers, Bruce.

[Mick_Marsh]

Hey, Bruce, this is a very old thread.
I have seen several sets go on ebay, Trading Post and Gumtree. I got my spare set on Gumtree some time ago. From WA I think.
Keep your eye out. They come up from time to time.
Also put a wanted ad here and on REMLR. I know there are a few sets about. You've just got to convince people to sell them.

[debruiser]

Rovers North has tool holders if your keen.