THE LPG THREAD

[Boxer]

For myself and others keen on going for LPG, can others who have it fitted post up shots of the under bonnet setup, tank installation and filler install.

Would make for good feedback. Oh and if you could add fitting price and mileage :)

[ozscott]

Judging by your avatar you have a D1? I will take pics of my D1...but if you have a D2 I can post pics of my D2:)

[Boxer]

Edited signature :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Judging by your avatar you have a D1? I will take pics of my D1...but if you have a D2 I can post pics of my D2:)

Thats just not fair!!:mad:







;):cool:

[trobbo]

Plenty of good pics here.

Deacon - Spare Parts (http://www.deaconauto.com.au/incorrectlpg.htm)

I dont have any pics of my install, but this mob did mine so this pretty much shows it anyway.

BTW have I ever mentioned on here that I am happy with my gas injection setup. :D

[V8Landy]

These show the under bonnet,Filler(placed by me not great but works),Tank in the back. More range would be great
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp265/V8Landie/Gasunderbonnet001.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp265/V8Landie/Gasunderbonnet001.jpg)
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp265/V8Landie/Gasunderbonnet002.jpghttp://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp265/V8Landie/Gasunderbonnet004.jpg
(http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp265/V8Landie/Gasunderbonnet001.jpg)

[bussy1963]

I have LPG on my 94 disco. 2 x 35 litre scuba tanks fitted under the back and a 40 litre ULPside tank . I get about 270 - 290 k's city driving and about 310 k's highway on gas. Not fantastic range but by reading some other threads i am not as concerned as i was before. Often thought is there something wrong with car getting such poor ecomony. Here a few pics of my set up

[Boxer]

Cheers guys.

Anyone else?

[Trakker]

http://musictomyeyes.smugmug.com/photos/488743070_Atq7t-M.jpg

http://musictomyeyes.smugmug.com/photos/488743342_iEhoe-M.jpg

http://musictomyeyes.smugmug.com/photos/488743300_rpEsX-M.jpg

http://musictomyeyes.smugmug.com/photos/488743186_oym6j-M.jpg

http://musictomyeyes.smugmug.com/photos/488743407_bqTvt-M.jpg

[dirtdawg]

in another 18 months lpg isnt going to be so cheap anymore since the government agreement reguarding it not being taxed the same as petrol runs out and they will be able to tax it how ever they like

[Xavie]

Despite the changes to lpg pricing I think it is still worthwhile. It would have to go up a fair bit for me before petrol became the better option. The biggest thing is finding a local station who sells it the cheapest. I often see it as low as 42cents but locally I don't get under 55cents. By the time the new pricing structure comes in, in 18 months I would have saved a minimum of $2,500. And as it is being phased over time so I will save for a long time after the changes happen. And the end price may not be all that bad anyway.

[ozscott]

If you add in the locked in price rises tax wise it will still be cheaper than running diesel.

Cheers

[nice1guv]

in another 18 months lpg isnt going to be so cheap anymore since the government agreement reguarding it not being taxed the same as petrol runs out and they will be able to tax it how ever they like

This is what is happening in WA to LPG prices due to tax increases, as taken from the WA Fuelwatch site:

LPG is the only transport fuel in WA, which currently does not have a Federal Government excise applied to it.
An LPG excise will be introduced in July 2011 in five annual increments of 2.5 cents per litre (cpl) taking it to a total of 12.5 cpl by July 2015.

I assume this Federal Government excise will be the same across Australia -so not really that bad after all.

[Boxer]

Less pricing, more pictures!

[astonm]

I bought an '01 D2 V8 5 years ago with the specific intention of converting it to gas ASAP .... this proved to be very difficult and over the months which stretched into years, could not get anyone interested in doing it.

I did a lot of research on this, and did come across the occasional instance of Disco 2 being converted..... But everytime I thought I had found a solution, the installer would back out at the last minute, quoting issues with OBD2 diagnostics and engine management.

I also looked at importing a system from RPIv8 in the UK, but landed cost and compliance issues made me reluctant.
In the last 12 - 18 months however, things have changed quite a bit and Vapour Inject / SGI systems are a lot more common.

Too much time passed, and with a vehicle change looming I decided not to go ahead - sold the car in may last year

However I did come across a young chap in Jandakot area, who was willing and able -He fitted a prins SGI system to my latest vehicle (Citroen V6) and subsequently fitted the same type of system to a mates 2003 D2 V8 (update model)

This system worked fantasticly on the D2 - No loss of power, no backfiring etc,
However, his D2 had an inherant engine problem, which became really apparant after running on gas for a few hours or until really heat soaked - Nasty engine knock

A top end lubricator was fitted, investigation of rockers / lifters etc, even tried diferent oils (all full synthetics), doses of "Slick 50", Moreys ... etc etc

After various diagnosis, information gathering etc, we came to the conclusion that the probable cause was the start of the slipping liner scenario.

The vehicle consequently had the gas removed and was sold cheaply to a wholesaler

This particular vehicle always had what sounded like a noisey lifter when cold, and while it never did overheat, I think the thermo fans ran a hell of a lot more frequently than they should have. The motor continued to run ok on petrol.

The point of the story is :
It's not 100% guaranteed your going to get a reliable vehicle - If you have any doubts about your engine dont do it !
One of the possibilities we explored with this particular vehicle was removing the engine and getting stepped liners fitted ..... this seemed to be a $3k - $6K fix depending on how much you are prepared to do yourself.
The gas system worked great

[astonm]

Hmmm, I accidently posted before finishing.

As I said, the system itself worked very well, and I am very happy with the system as fitted to my own vehicle.

The Business that fitted both systems was:

Force Fed Gas ..... Shane
08 9414 1316

26 Chullora bend Jandacot
FFG - Force Fed Gas, injected gas specialist, LPG Autogas, Gas conversion (http://www.forcefedgas.com.au/)

The conversion cost for the D2 was about $5k with a manifold tank in the wagon section.

The Citroen V6 was $4.5k with a donut tank fitted to spare wheel well.

I am by no means trying to put you off conversion, My first D1 had no major issues for over 5 years running as gas only, The Citroen has plenty of go, is very reliable and brings a smile to my dial every time I fill up :)

Hope the info helps
regards Neil

[dirtdawg]

i havent heard how much its going up but if its going up a couple of cents a year then thats not too bad but you never know with governments so i'll just wait and see, if it gets too bad i'll be looking for a td5

[Boxer]

Anyone have anymore pictures of their under bonnet setups?

[Jock The Rock]

Anyone have anymore pictures of their under bonnet setups?

Mate of mine has a 3.5 in a Defender on gas. Ill take some pictures this weekend if I rememeber

[mrapocalypse]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/954.jpg
Engine Bay

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/955.jpg
Gas port thingys

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/956.jpg
Vaporizer thingy

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/957.jpg
Scary Wiring.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/958.jpg
65l of Pure Gold

[Jock The Rock]

Heres those pictures, tank is mounted under the tray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/905.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/906.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/902.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/03/907.jpg

[Andrewpv01]

No pics, but in my D1 they removed the windscreen washer bottle and put the converter in it's place. I was told to get a smaller washer bottle from the wreckers that would fit in it's place.

They did this as I didn't want the converter next to the air cleaner box where the snorkel will go or the second battery tray.

Andrew

[LEAKOVERY]

I bought an '01 D2 V8 5 years ago with the specific intention of converting it to gas ASAP .... this proved to be very difficult and over the months which stretched into years, could not get anyone interested in doing it.

I did a lot of research on this, and did come across the occasional instance of Disco 2 being converted..... But everytime I thought I had found a solution, the installer would back out at the last minute, quoting issues with OBD2 diagnostics and engine management.

I also looked at importing a system from RPIv8 in the UK, but landed cost and compliance issues made me reluctant.
In the last 12 - 18 months however, things have changed quite a bit and Vapour Inject / SGI systems are a lot more common.

Too much time passed, and with a vehicle change looming I decided not to go ahead - sold the car in may last year

However I did come across a young chap in Jandakot area, who was willing and able -He fitted a prins SGI system to my latest vehicle (Citroen V6) and subsequently fitted the same type of system to a mates 2003 D2 V8 (update model)

This system worked fantasticly on the D2 - No loss of power, no backfiring etc,
However, his D2 had an inherant engine problem, which became really apparant after running on gas for a few hours or until really heat soaked - Nasty engine knock

A top end lubricator was fitted, investigation of rockers / lifters etc, even tried diferent oils (all full synthetics), doses of "Slick 50", Moreys ... etc etc

After various diagnosis, information gathering etc, we came to the conclusion that the probable cause was the start of the slipping liner scenario.

The vehicle consequently had the gas removed and was sold cheaply to a wholesaler

This particular vehicle always had what sounded like a noisey lifter when cold, and while it never did overheat, I think the thermo fans ran a hell of a lot more frequently than they should have. The motor continued to run ok on petrol.

The point of the story is :
It's not 100% guaranteed your going to get a reliable vehicle - If you have any doubts about your engine dont do it !
One of the possibilities we explored with this particular vehicle was removing the engine and getting stepped liners fitted ..... this seemed to be a $3k - $6K fix depending on how much you are prepared to do yourself.
The gas system worked great

DONE 60000 ALL OVER AUSTRALIA AND NEVER EVER ONCE HAD A PROBLEM WITH LPG ON MY PRESENT DISCO AND DROVE IT THOUGH RIVERS UP TO THE HEADLIGHTS AND HAVE HAD LPG ON MY CARS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS , THERES ALLWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE THAT WILL TELL YOU LPG IS BAD BUT IF ITS SO BAD WHY DO COURIERS GET A MILLION KMS OUT OF A TOYOTA HILUX RUNNING ON GAS IN CITY CONDITIONS.

[p38arover]

Please don't type in all CAPS - it si hard to read and is considered shouting on the Internet.

[LEAKOVERY]

SORRY I AM JUST A LAZY TYPER , I DID THINK IT WAS EASY TO READ . I AM NOT SHOUTING JUST TOO LAZZY TO USE THE CAPS BUTTON ALL THE TIME . ITS HEEPS QUICKER WHENYA TYPE TWO FINGERS


NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE OUT THERE

[scarry]

DONE 60000 ALL OVER AUSTRALIA AND NEVER EVER ONCE HAD A PROBLEM WITH LPG ON MY PRESENT DISCO AND DROVE IT THOUGH RIVERS UP TO THE HEADLIGHTS AND HAVE HAD LPG ON MY CARS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS , THERES ALLWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE THAT WILL TELL YOU LPG IS BAD BUT IF ITS SO BAD WHY DO COURIERS GET A MILLION KMS OUT OF A TOYOTA HILUX RUNNING ON GAS IN CITY CONDITIONS.

X2

We have run LPG on our work vans for 18 yrs & never ever had an engine problem,but we have had gas converter problems.The sprint gas converters only seem to last around 120k these days:(,& we have the ocasional computer failure:(

As said on another thread on here somewhere,converter failures could be caused by high coolant temps. that late model vehicles run at,but i havent looked into this.There is a thermostat you can fit to reduce these temps.

Have got the Landi Renso injected toyota factory fit on the latest vans & so far so good.It is damn expensive,but they do use less gas than the old systms,& it is the same system used by the cabs,so should be OK.It is also noisy,injectors rattle.

If the new systm does play up,i bet it would also be expensive to repair.

The price to fit is the same whether you get it fitted after market or factory,so your better off getting factory as it has same warranty as vehicle,3yrs,100k.

Boxer,didnt mean to hijack thread,but thought this info would be helpful to you guys with LPG.

[Boxer]

X2

We have run LPG on our work vans for 18 yrs & never ever had an engine problem,but we have had gas converter problems.The sprint gas converters only seem to last around 120k these days:(,& we have the ocasional computer failure:(

As said on another thread on here somewhere,converter failures could be caused by high coolant temps. that late model vehicles run at,but i havent looked into this.There is a thermostat you can fit to reduce these temps.

Have got the Landi Renso injected toyota factory fit on the latest vans & so far so good.It is damn expensive,but they do use less gas than the old systms,& it is the same system used by the cabs,so should be OK.It is also noisy,injectors rattle.

If the new systm does play up,i bet it would also be expensive to repair.

The price to fit is the same whether you get it fitted after market or factory,so your better off getting factory as it has same warranty as vehicle,3yrs,100k.

Boxer,didnt mean to hijack thread,but thought this info would be helpful to you guys with LPG.


NOT AT ALL :) (sorry, had to have a giggle at the caps)

I'm actually leaning more towards LPG injection these days as it does represent alot better economy. From what I've been told it's almost a 1 to 1 consumption rate versus petrol, whereas vapour LPG probably uses about another 20% fuel than petrol. Still works out cheaper, but if you're doing it for economy, then why wouldn't you go all out.

I'm actually hoping to get my licenced fitters ticket some time in the next 6 months or so. I did a fair few installs with a fitter back when I was a Ford mechanic, just never followed up getting getting my own ticket.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

SORRY I AM JUST A LAZY TYPER , ...
... NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE OUT THEREIt really annoys me when someone is shouting their entire post.

Please don't shout (use all caps) unless necessary, we can hear you just fine in proper text.

Diana

[Richard93Vogue]

Boxer,

did you ever get your fitters ticket? If so are you still around Sydney? I am at Maitland and am trying to get my 93 classic converted to gas and looking for someone near by with Rover experience. Can you help or do you reccomend anyone in the Hunter/Newcastle area?

Thanks,
Richard.