Mog or 101

[OZ101]

Hi all.

If you were going to build a camper to travel Australia what platform would you start with?
Buy a 101 spend the money to do all the mods to it or splash out and buy say a Unimog UL1300 (no mods needed apart from the camper bit of course ).

At the end of the day which would be the most capable off road, on road and which would be the most reliable and cost of spare parts would come into it as well.

Which way would you go Mog or 101?

[Milton477]

No contest - Mog

[rangieman]

No contest - Mog
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[Slunnie]

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X3 - it's not even a discussion point.

Just make sure the camper "floats" on the back of the Mog so it doesn't crack.

[djam1]

Parts availability is not good in most parts of Australia for a 101
The Mog has its place but driven for hours at high speed is not one of them the drop reduction hub bull gears and gearboxes dont like it and the wear out very quickly.
If you Mog was new then you would be fine but you will get less than 80 000 out of these components if used like this.
Oh I forgot to mention the last time I was involved in these the bull gears were in excess of 5 K per axle.
I would buy a Mercedes 911 they carry more are much more reliable but they arent as capable.
In all honesty the Mog will be the most capable but it will also be the most expensive.
The 101 would be cheaper but they do have unique parts.

[Slunnie]

You can buy a pair of complete factory refurbished axles in Aus for $5k.

[Chucaro]

If parts are the problem why not considering the Isuzu NPS 4WD N5 300 series ?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If parts are the problem why not considering the Isuzu NPS 4WD N5 300 series ?That's the way to go an ex-RFS NPS and an EarthCruiser (www.allterrainmotorhomes.com) camper,

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1239.jpg

you'll even get change from $150K

[101 Ron]

My vote is for the mog.
But after saying that and having driven both vehicles in loaded conditions why pick 101 or mog in the first place.
Any jap 4x4 truck would do the job better.
Both mog and 101 designs are military back ground and not as suitable as civilian designed jap trucks to do civilian type work with civilian type comfort and expectations.

[Barefoot Dave]

Slunnie, $5k for mog axles ?

Anyone got an idea as to the cost for Pinz axles ?
Marks are about to release a GQ portal kit for $15K!! Pinz gotta be close to LR for track?!

And to get back on thread, just what the doctor ordered:
Unimog Australia: U1750L/38 camper (http://www.unimog.com.au/index.php?id=250)
Cheers, Dave.

[harry]

you blokes are dreaming.
a falcon or dunnydore will do most draggin' a caravan.
so why bother with either.
certainly the merc will be the greater achiever, but only the military can afford to run them

[101 Ron]

There was a off road requirement in the question ,and different strokes for different blokes.

[OZ101]

The problem with the Jap 4x4 e.g. Canter etc no diff locks (I think the Canter has a rear diff lock but not sure) and difficult to get after-market off road gear for them, they are not designed for hard off roading like the 101 & Mog, but on road you can't beat them.
So I suppose it depends on what type of traveling you want to do.

What about the MAN 13.280 Its got the lot diff lock all round ABS EBS Triptronic gear box, cruise control,climate control the list goes on and on, might be a bit to big for the smaller tracks through, does anyone know what these trucks are like when the going gets tough?

[Chucaro]

I like THESE (http://www.allterrainwarriors.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=12) beasts :cool:

I believe that they are used up north in Qld and the operators are very happy with them

[Chucaro]

The problem with the Jap 4x4 e.g. Canter etc no diff locks (I think the Canter has a rear diff lock but not sure) and difficult to get after-market off road gear for them, they are not designed for hard off roading like the 101 & Mog, but on road you can't beat them.
So I suppose it depends on what type of traveling you want to do.

What about the MAN 13.280 Its got the lot diff lock all round ABS EBS Triptronic gear box, cruise control,climate control the list goes on and on, might be a bit to big for the smaller tracks through, does anyone know what these trucks are like when the going gets tough?

In THIS site you will find plenty info about making the Canter a capable vehicle :)

[Slunnie]

Slunnie, $5k for mog axles ?

Anyone got an idea as to the cost for Pinz axles ?
Marks are about to release a GQ portal kit for $15K!! Pinz gotta be close to LR for track?!

And to get back on thread, just what the doctor ordered:
Unimog Australia: U1750L/38 camper (http://www.unimog.com.au/index.php?id=250)
Cheers, Dave.
Hmmm, I was certain thats what Rob @ TractiveForce was bringing in refurb by Mercedes mog axles for - in crates. Just jumped onto their website and they dont have a sales section in it anymore unless Ive got the wrong website!

Nup, just checked. the website is correct but the sales section is gone. :(

[101RRS]

The problem with the Jap 4x4 difficult to get after-market off road gear for them,

You will not buy model specific after-market off road gear for a 101 either - and I would assume the same would apply to a mog.

As Ron said - the 101 and Mog were designed for specific purposes and long distance touring is not one of them. There are better vehicles available.

Garry

[tankradio2]

Having driven Unimogs extensively while in the Army, and my own 101 Ambulance extensively as a private vehicle, if given a choice I would try the OKA.

Anyone have personal experience with these ?

Cheers

Phill

[Shonky]

OKAs are hugely expensive aren't they? :(

I probably spent more time driving Iain Reed's 101 at Corowa than my own truck (!) and while I love it, I don't know that I would want to do a lot of long distance work in it.

I haven't driven a Mog - It's on my list of things to do... :angel:

[101 Ron]

A friend of mine purchased a OKA.
It has a dual cab and a body on the back set up for long distance touring.
It has every option that was available when purchased.
The cabin is very large and workable.
The power is a turbo 4 litre perkins.
the running gear is rockwell and the front diff is Dana 60 and the rear a Dana 70.
Construction thoughout is very heavy duty as the OKA was designed with the mining industry in mine. (rops cab).
The OKA makes a fine chassis for a explore Aussie camper.
It is also very heavy and expensive.
It spreads the weight on four tyres only.
Jap 4x4 trucks tend to have duals on the back and are cheaper with less weight.
It comes back to personal requirements and tastes.
We are not comparing apples with apples, but oranges with apples.
The 101 is a small vehicle and designed light for air transport with a one tonne payload as manufactured.(1500 kg weight stripped).
The mog is a much larger vehicle and in a different class again.
Both mog and 101 are designed for military convoy speeds and needs.
The small jap trucks (4x4) are 4 tonne payload and usually duals on the rear with a self locking diff and much, much better cabins with engines and drive trains designed for modern road systems.
The OKA is different again and more strongly built than the jap trucks as they are designed for the hard yards of industry. ( when was the last time you have seen body components made from 3/8 steel plate ?)
In Contrast the 101 is mostly Birmabright pop riveted together and alloy motor and running gear and why the 101 is a great military vehicle and a poor industry work horse.