Pork Pie - Could we produce some reasonable replicas?

[Sleepy]

I'll have 2!.

Most of us cannnot afford $500+ for a pair of Lucas L518 's , but would like to make there Series 1 look more original.

I wonder what this pair of NOS will go for.:o
LAND ROVER SERIES 1. Lucas 518 REAR LAMPS. (NOS) - eBay, Land Rover, Classic Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles. (end time 17-Apr-09 03:12:55 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&item=230335705166)



I have heard that you can buy replicas from the Series 1 club for ~$300ish.

Could we do better in AUS?
What would we need to make a reasonable copy?
Is it feasable or worthwhile?
How many could we sell?
Can we have an indication of who would be interested in some copies?
I don't have the skills myself, but happy to a bit of organising if we could find a constructor. I reckon we could sell at least 10 pairs here (if they were reasonable looking.) Maybe a few more could be flogged off on ebay.

Here's some photo's to whet your creative whistle.:angel:

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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/1211.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/1212.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/1213.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/1214.jpg
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[Blknight.aus]

Personally I'd be looking at ships and areonautical navigational lights.

[Bigbjorn]

Has Kev. Baker KB Classic Spares got any? or the executor of Barry Clift's estate? JHas anyone looked at the USA makers like Unity, Perlux, Guide to see if they have a fair facsimile?

[Sleepy]

Has Kev. Baker KB Classic Spares got any? or the executor of Barry Clift's estate? JHas anyone looked at the USA makers like Unity, Perlux, Guide to see if they have a fair facsimile?
I tried Classic spares - no luck:(
I'll do a bit of research on the other names you mention.


Personally I'd be looking at ships and areonautical navigational lights.
Have you got any specific Nav lights in mind Dave?

[Blknight.aus]

Id be thinking that the older style gunwhale side lights would be close to what you need. but A chandlers would be the best place to ask.

[lro11]

I could get some good copies in China But I would have to buy a 1000

[Sleepy]

I work part-time in a boat chandlery and i've never seen any nav-lights like those over here,however you could try www.westmarine.com (http://www.westmarine.com) possibly the worlds largest marine catalogue.Good luck.:)

Thanks cooper, couldn't find anything close - although they do have some nifty waterproof LEDs - could be handy in the 109:angel:

[slug_burner]

I could get some good copies in China But I would have to buy a 1000

And what sort of money would we be looking at for 1000?

That's only another 490 people we would have to find!:(

[slug_burner]

[QUOTE=Sleepy;951241]I'll have 2!.

Most of us cannnot afford $500+ for a pair of Lucas L518 's , but would like to make there Series 1 look more original.

I wonder what this pair of NOS will go for.:o
LAND ROVER SERIES 1. Lucas 518 REAR LAMPS. (NOS) - eBay, Land Rover, Classic Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles. (end time 17-Apr-09 03:12:55 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&item=230335705166)



I have heard that you can buy replicas from the Series 1 club for ~$300ish.

Could we do better in AUS?
What would we need to make a reasonable copy?
Is it feasable or worthwhile?
How many could we sell?
Can we have an indication of who would be interested in some copies?
I don't have the skills myself, but happy to a bit of organising if we could find a constructor. I reckon we could sell at least 10 pairs here (if they were reasonable looking.) Maybe a few more could be flogged off on ebay.

Here's some photo's to whet your creative whistle.:angel:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/1115.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/1116.jpg
QUOTE]

If I really put my mind to it..........:angel: .......I might be able to get dad to make up some tooling to press the metal. Then again it might take a bit to get him to miss going to bowls these days. Chazza might be able to cast the metal work.

[Sleepy]

If I really put my mind to it.......... .......I might be able to get dad to make up some tooling to press the metal
what scotch does he like?:angel:

[olmate]

what scotch does he like?:angel:

Now we're talking - better put me in for a pair too Paul ;)

[Sleepy]

Has Kev. Baker KB Classic Spares got any? or the executor of Barry Clift's estate? JHas anyone looked at the USA makers like Unity, Perlux, Guide to see if they have a fair facsimile?

Got a response from UNITY.

"THIS IS NOT SOMETHING UNITY MFGRS., BUT, TRY ONE OF OUR DISTRIBUTORS WHO HANDLE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LIGHTS. ONE SUCH IS WWW.AWDIRECT.COM."
(Why are yanks so loud ;))


Tried the AWDIRECT site but no luck.

The hunt continues...........

(that pair of NOS is now up to $150 and over a week to go :o)

[chazza]

[QUOTE=Sleepy;951241]
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Chazza might be able to cast the metal work.

Chazza might be able to fabricate the bodies as well but until I can get one in my hot little hands, I can't really tell.

What I need is for someone to send me the metal parts of the lamp - even a totally shagged and useless one would be useful for me to inspect. I will return the parts after examining them and deciding how to go about it. I am sure Diana (Lots of Landies) will be happy to give a character reference for me; she has leant me parts in the past to be reproduced.

So until I can get one to feel, the project cannot proceed :)

Cheers Charlie

[Mick-Kelly]

From the looks of it the hardest part to fabricate would be the lenses.

[Sleepy]

Chazza might be able to fabricate the bodies as well but until I can get one in my hot little hands, I can't really tell.


Thanks Chazza, I think we had an offer once before of a shagged one. I'll go and find an old thread on the subject.

Anyone with a pork pie we could borrow please let us know.

I am happy to cover the cost of getting it to and from chazza.


From the looks of it the hardest part to fabricate would be the lenses.

Perhaps we could get something of similar shape size. Not sure about the clear secton at the bottom. I note there are 2 types - with and without reflector in the middle.


Edit: Found the old thread and sent a PM to the potential lender :)

[Sleepy]

Found this .

Lighting (http://www.vintagemotorspares.com/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/hodge?opendocument&part=6)

They don't have pork pies listed but do have some other goodies. ;)
Sent them an email anyway.:)

[chazza]

Not sure about the clear secton at the bottom. I note there are 2 types - with and without reflector in the middle.




The clear section on the bottom should not be a problem if made in clear acrylic, which I can do.

The lenses need a reflector, whether original or not, as I think it is one of the few retrospective design rules that seems to apply to any vehicle being licenced. On the other thread, someone made a link to a NSW company that makes lenses; they appear to be the best bet at this stage.

I am confident that I can make the; body; chrome ring; clear window and have the internal electricals fitted.

Cheers Charlie

[101RRS]

I cannot believe a small manufacturer like Land Rover would have commissioned their own rear lights in the mid 50s. There must have been other cars that used the pork pies too. I have searched but cannot find any.

Also, - as mentioned there are two versions - one lens has a reflector and the lens is flat - the other has no reflector and the lens is a little pointy.
What is the correct lens for a series 1?

If someone could make a reasonable copy at a fair price I would by interested in buying as I have two series 1s that need these. I was going to make a body out of fibreglass and make some lenses out of clear resin tinted with a red tint.

Cheers

Garry

[Sleepy]

I have attached a couple of pics that I refer to.

Garry, I think the parts catologue picture would indicate the non-reflector type. But not always accurate.

I have seen 107/09's with D type lights (see the green one) not sure if that is a later mod - perhaps the last 109 S1's had D's.

[d@rk51d3]

I was going to suggest using tin cans too, but refrained, as I didn't want to look like a Steptoe. :D


Still a good idea though, in my opinion.

[Sleepy]

You could always make on from a tin can like this one on Thomas :D

What do you call them, "Camp Pie Lights" :D

Thanks for the offer NM. Chazza, how long do you need it for?

[chazza]

Chazza, how long do you need it for?

About one week turn-around should be sufficient. I will need to take it apart and measure everything - threads; metal thickness, etc.

Alternatively if someone can make me a very accurate technical drawing in at least 3 views, that may suffice.

I see in your post Sleepy that it appears to have a pressed base; if anyone has one that they don't mind parting with for a little bit longer that would be extremely useful as I could make my press dies from it. Ideally this would be just the base with nothing rivetted on to it.

Finally - without wanting to be alarmist - there is always the risk that the rotten thing will go missing in transit; so that is why I ask for an old knackered one that won't break anyone's heart if Aust Post lose it. NM; thank you for your offer.

I am engaged in a casting project for Ellard and Lots of Landies at the moment, which is taking a bit of time, so if I do get started it make take a while to come to fruition,

Cheers Charlie

[Sleepy]

I am happy to go and see my mate with his landrover garden,he may have one in there.I also have an engineer friend who could do some drawings for manufacturing if needed.Does anyone know what OD it is,it may be possible to use alloy tubing,as in bullbars,and polish them up.:)


If your mate has one in his garden see if he wants to part with it. I am happy to buy it off him. Probably would be easier if we can get an original (even if rusty) to chazza.
Don't know the diameter - never seen one of these "hens teeth":D

[101RRS]

We have been talking about the lens and the body - but what about the base where all the electrical bits are. It comprises a base like a tin lid, a rubber seal and a flat piece of tin that hold it all together. As well there are all the electric bits.

Also the clear number plate lens needs to go into the body.

Garry

[chazza]

Ummmm....you can't really pull them apart without knackering them I don't think (the body that is...and if that is the case you can't have it :( )

Fair enough :D

I meant to dismantle it as far as is possible, without doing any damage. Taking the lense and the globe out was all I had in mind :)

Cheers Charlie

[olmate]

Thanks all for your efforts here so far :D Will be great if this can be a go'er ;)

[Lost Landy]

I think the hardest part is going to be finding suitable lens for the light.

[Sleepy]

I think the hardest part is going to be finding suitable lens for the light.

I've been thinking the same thing LL. :(
Not giving up yet though.

(Note: one pork pie was sold on ebay yesterday for 150 pounds, :eek2:)

[Lost Landy]

I did have a pair of brand new old stock pork pies but I sold them earlier this year. I was going to use them on my 107SW put I sold it.

[Sleepy]

I did have a pair of brand new old stock pork pies but I sold them earlier this year.....

What'd you do with the proceeds? - buy another Land Rover :angel::p

[Lost Landy]

In fact I did, 2 to be honest I got $600 for the pair of lights

[Sleepy]

Well there you go.
The two pork pies in the first post sold for.........


























.............GBP 356.86 AU $739.10 :eek2:

[lro11]

Well I was blown away too!! that does it when I come across a sample I am going to copy them.

[Sleepy]

There is another set on ebay in Brissie....NOS....starting price $600.

OK....time to look at posting our light off to Chazza........

Yes I saw them :eek::( I bet they'll sell too!

[chris1983rangie]

amazing! thats allot of money for a pair of tail lamps. a good way to spend your $900 from the tax office...:D

i think with $900 i could make quite a few pairs, just need the time to do it thats all, which i aint got at the moment:(

how would you make the silver ring part on the porkie lamp? i cant see any join line so it would have to be a flat ring pressed into shape?

chris

[Hebe]

Hi everyone,

I have reproductions coming, stop/tail/flasher. Once I got them all ready I will make some pictures. They won't be that cheap... about 150£ (UK Pounds) for a set, including shipping to Australia. But they look great and as they are combined stop/tail/flasher thus an improved version of original they should be OK for road worthy or re-registration...

Give me a couple of weeks, but if anyone is interested then... keep in touch.

hebe.land.rover@gmail.com

Take care,

Kris

[Sleepy]

Good one Hebe - are they from the Series 1 club (UK)?

150 quid - :eek::( - oh well it's less than 300 quid :eek:

Look forward to some pics.

[Sleepy]

I got a lead on lenses.

Saw a bloke on ebay that is selling remanufactured Wipac tailights.
I queried him on making pork pie lenses.

Here's the reply

_________________

Hello Paul,

my website is David Azzopardi Manufacturing - Plastic Lenses (http://www.tailights.com).

Lenses look easy to make.
re red lens, what is diameter and if I sat just the lens flat on a table,how high would it sit?
I can give you prices based on this.

Would you have a demand for Wipac lens S.170, I think it fits old land Rovers also.

Thanx- David
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Is anyone able to help with the dimensions requested above?

[101RRS]

Is anyone able to help with the dimensions requested above?

You could always e-mail the guy on e-bay who is selling pork pies for $600 a pair or $300 each and ask him - they have been relisted.

Garry

[Lost Landy]

Na Garry thats a no go I have already spoke to the guy who has the pork pies on ebay about that idea :(

[Sleepy]

Not to worry - someone here must own a porkpie and a tape measure ;).

[graceysdad]

If you really wanted to follow the repro route I would be looking for a manufacterer in China, Taiwan huge repro market for cars there, problem is you would need a minimum amount which could be anywhere from 500 units to a thousand or more but they will be cheap, may be worth looking into.

[Sleepy]

OK...who knows what the original lens actually was?

The light I popped in the post to Chazza this week has a plastic lens....I am guessing the originals would have been glass. Chazza could take measurements of the one I sent over (if he is able to get it out of the casing!!) and even if we didn't get the lens a perfect copy, it would be better than a plastic one anyway ( I think!! ;))

OR

If everyone is happy with plastic we see if the ones like in our porkpie are still available ( I meant to write it down before I posted it...now Chazza will have to get the number off the lens)

Thanks NM
I must admit I thought the originals were plastic - I've never seen one in life. I am not fussed but perhaps others are.





If you really wanted to follow the repro route I would be looking for a manufacterer in China, Taiwan huge repro market for cars there, problem is you would need a minimum amount which could be anywhere from 500 units to a thousand or more but they will be cheap, may be worth looking into.

You make a good point GD, although I don't know how chazza will feel about making 500:eek2:
Let's just try and make a couple and see how they look - as a feasability trial.:)

[graceysdad]

Look around South Africa plenty old landies still doing the deed there, 500 pairs be easy to flog most would buy spares to if they were good price

[chazza]

I would be quite happy to make 500 but I doubt that there is a market for half that many. ;)

[Mick-Kelly]

I would imagine the Poms would be keen buyers given the relative value of the Aussie peso against the pound.

[Sleepy]

I would be quite happy to make 500 but I doubt that there is a market for half that many. ;)

Tend to agree, we wouldn't sell 500 overnight, however if we could get the price down to say $100 each I reckon we'd sell a few. (That fella in Cyprus may not be happy ;) )

I am impressed chazza with your thoughts on making 500 - I imagine you sitting there with a hammer, making each by hand :lol: - I guess there is an automated method.;)

Anyway lets have a go at a prototype run and we'll take it from there.

With any luck we can raise a few bucks for aulro and chazza.

[Hebe]

Good one Hebe - are they from the Series 1 club (UK)?

150 quid - :eek::( - oh well it's less than 300 quid :eek:

Look forward to some pics.

Hi,

No I got them through a contact of mine in the UK. I used to live in Ireland and know him through that.

Appearantly there are reproductions for the early Pork Pies on the market. The straight ones as you find on other pictures in this forum are I understand a later/different Pork Pie model. From what I learned researching this... The oval shape as below (ST38) was used on some early Series 1, and then only sometimes. Why? Nobody seems to know... maybe because of their supplies at the time. Or maybe it had to do with some export countries and their regulations...

The costs are 55 Pounds per one for combined (1 x 5W side light, 1 x 21W indicator and 1 x 21W brake light). Just regular (not combined) it is 40 Pounds.

And than you have to add shipping, and if you are unlucky import duties. I ordered the Black combined, so aprox 150 for a set. Still steep, but hey I ordered a set with him as I got tired of researching. I saw originals on ebay for 700, other repros for 300 or more... This is the best deal so far.

I know him so I can get them at his cost price. But, still awaiting the shipment so no pictures from me so far. This is what he sent me by email.

The Black Model (Which I ordered, combined)
http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Lucas_Pork_Pie_repro_Black.jpg
Chrome
http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Lucas_Pork_Pie_repro_Chrome.jpg
Chrome
http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Lucas_Pork_Pie_repro_Chrome2.jpg
Combined stop/tail and indicator light
http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Lucas_Pork_Pie_repro_Combined_Stop_Tail_Indicator. jpg

Once I get them I will let you know more...

Take care,
http://www.familyveen.com/lrs1/Lucas%20Pork%20Pie%20repro%20Black.jpg

[101RRS]

Sorry to tell you - but they are not pork pie lights and they do not go on 86/88/107/109 series 1 landrovers - they are not the correct lights.

The correct lights are the ones shown earlier in this thread. The earlier versions of the landrover pork pie has a reflector in the middle of the lens and the later porkpies on 57/58 year models (maybe also 56) did not have a reflector in the lens.

Garry

[Hebe]

Sorry to tell you - but they are not pork pie lights and they do not go on 86/88/107/109 series 1 landrovers - they are not the correct lights.

The correct lights are the ones shown earlier in this thread. The earlier versions of the landrover pork pie has a reflector in the middle of the lens and the later porkpies on 57/58 year models (maybe also 56) did not have a reflector in the lens.

Garry

What???? NooooOOOOHH!!!!
Are you sure?

[101RRS]

This is what you want.

[Hebe]

Absolutely 100% sure mate ;)
You've done your dough!! :(

Oh no..........:BigCry:

I guess I have to keep an eye on any repro's here then. Will try the other ones on anyway for the time being.

I got my info from another forum and some websites. These are probably the traps for a newbie like me...

Will have to see how it fits...

[Sleepy]

I guess I have to keep an eye on any repro's here then. Will try the other ones on anyway for the time being.

I got my info from another forum and some websites. These are probably the traps for a newbie like me...

Will have to see how it fits...

They'd probably still look ok Hebe, but, like the others have said they aren't the ones.

I have seen them for sale and nearly bought them myself. I believe they are called "pork pies" too - A somewhat generic name for this style of light.

[Hebe]

Hi,

Luckily I was able to cancel my order on the wrong lights :D. As some of you may already know there seem to be a few original lights on eBay. See below.

First a question though, if anyone is going to make reproductions... will they stick to keep it totally original... or will they include a version which integrates Stop Tail and Indicator bulbs within the original design? :question:

I would welcome of course 100% originality, but if like in my previous post (wrong lights) this could be integrated it would be beneficial to road safety :nazilock:. And appearance will still be authentic. I am sure that some of you have done some modifications under the bonnet to improve on performance. This would be similar and wouldn't in my view diminish originality. :angel:

Until I find some affordable lights I guess I will have to continue with the current trailer lights.... :(

On eBay if found:

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Land Rover Series 1 - Pr (2) Lucas 518 Pork-Pie Lights

Looks great, complete, but asking price is too much for me, didn't sell previous lisitng and is now relisted 2nd time, if not 3rd. Maybe as an investment for reproductions it may be worth it.
Item number: 260406379516https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/737.jpg
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Land Rover Series 1 Pork-Pie Light - 1 only

Item number: 260406379524https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/737.jpg
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Lucas D Lights (2) Original

(but incomplete)
Item number: 260406378970 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/737.jpg
(above same seller, has more LR stuff)

Which models featured the D Lights? Anyone has these? Whats your experience? Example picture? These seem to be better suited for if you want to combine Stop Tail and Indicator bulbs within the same light!?

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NOS LUCAS LAND ROVER Series ONE Pork Pie L518 LAMP.
Single lamp. Looks OK. Seller is in Cyprus. Prices high for me, but this seller has more LR and Lucas stuff.

Item number: 140295328165

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Prices are too high for me. If anyone is buying these and starts to make (affordable) reproductions, please let me know.

Take care,

[Sleepy]

The 518's are what we are looking at. Not sure whether the originals were STOP/TAIL or just TAIL but this would be a relatively simple wiring solution using STOP/TAIL globes.

[260AC]

The correct lights are the ones shown earlier in this thread. The earlier versions of the landrover pork pie has a reflector in the middle of the lens and the later porkpies on 57/58 year models (maybe also 56) did not have a reflector in the lens.

Garry

Can't remember but which late S1's had the Della Red Beacon tail lights???

[Surly One]

I have a 1957 88" that has the remains of the cast bases for the della red beacons, I'm not even sure what they look like unbroken.
I have just bought a 86" that I assume to be around a 1954 vintage that still has is d lights, only one cracked glass.

[Sleepy]

Yes a mix and match of tail lights. I'm not knowledgeable enough to give you the changes. My workshop manual even has D lights on the rear of a 107" and then L518's in another shot.

From what I can tell the D's were used early (all 80" ??) then switched to L518's around 55. The pork pies had a reputation of breaking - not surprising since they stuck out with no protection. Often they were swapped for something else - usually "trailer" type lights but sometimes D lights etc.

[chazza]

Well I have examined NM's pork pie today and taken copious amounts of drawings.
The re-manufacture can be split up into the following hurdles:
1. The metalwork should not be much of a problem to make but it will be time consuming for me to make all the press tools and the first prototypes. Do not expect a quick project, I have to go to work during the day :(
2. The outside of the original is a rather graceful curve from the base to the lense and tapering at the same time. I can reproduce the taper but the curve may not be possible. The curve is about 1mm at either end over 57mm. Those who are interested in having a lamp one day let me know now, whether tapered straight sides are acceptable, rather than a tapered slightly chubby side.
3. Parts I cannot make are the two lenses; the rubber base seal; and the globe socket. The lenses and the seal may not be an issue but we have to wait and see what other manufacturers say first - if we can't get lenses we don't have a lamp :( I have googled extensively for globe sockets and come up with very little so far. Does anyone know of a manufaturer who can supply them, or find one for me on the net? The alternative is to use an LED disc for stop and tail, which would be fine but they can vary in price from $12 ea to $39 US ea. which makes the total cost climb :( I would like to be able to sell a lamp for about $100 AU each but this is entirely dependent on others' manufacturing costs. I will not be factoring my development time into this project so that will keep prices down.

If this circus gets to show time, I intend to pay aulro a percentage of each sale (as I do with remlr) to help defray site costs and of course register as a vendor.

In the meantime a HUGE thankyou to NM and Sleepy who have have been most considerate and hard-working, in trying to make this project happen for everyone who needs a lamp or two which looks like it belongs on Series 1 :D

Cheers Charlie

[Sleepy]

Chazza,
Great work!
Personally I would be happy with something that is close. So I would be happy with whatever you find most straightforward to manufacture.
I'll have a hunt around for some globe sockets - perhaps there is someone on AULRO that can help here.
LED would be OK for me, but I'll let the others comment on that one.
Certainly no hurry on this.

[260AC]

Well I have examined NM's pork pie today and taken copious amounts of drawings.

Parts I cannot make are the two lenses; the rubber base seal; and the globe socket.

These parts are allready re made by the Series 1 club

There is a thread here on the http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=1403.msg7221;topicseen#msg7221 (http://[URL="http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=1403.msg7221;topicseen#msg7221") Della Beacon Tail lights for those who are interested in the late S1 changes

[chazza]

Thanks for the info AC.

I can't find the parts on the club website can you provide more information?

Cheers Charlie

[Sleepy]

For those without access.

Attached is a copy the Della photo mentioned.

As mentioned by "elephanthide" on the UK forum:



It was during 1957 due to shortages of Lucas Lamps, Della Beacon and Sparto rear lights were introduced, so it would cover 88, 109 and 107 SW of that vintage.


These Della's appear to have been fitted after the Pork Pies - in 1957.

[101RRS]

If were we to go this route - then the wipac lights from later models would be easier and cheaper I think - work just as good.

Garry

[Sleepy]

Olute has has standard series 3 lights at the moment - which work fine. I only wanted Pork Pies to give it the original look - as it would have come from the factory.;)

[slug_burner]

Do ealy 107s use pork pies or D lights?

[Sleepy]

The Series 1 Workshop Manual 1948 -58, shows D lights 55 - 57 and (L518) pork pies 55 to 58.(page 267)
I have never seen a 107 with D lamps although the manual has a diagram of a 107 with a D lights (page 11) and then another with L518s.(page 4) :confused::confused:
(Not much help, ay?)

[Sleepy]

Here's a section from the parts manual - note it mentions Lucas Type (presumaby the L518s given the description of the different parts.) and later SPARTO.

Again, all a bit vague as LR hav use LR part numbers as well as lucas ones. :confused:

Note it also refers to the lights with and without reflectors which I have seen.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=15564&stc=1&d=1242555850

[260AC]

Here you go for the S1 club repro pork pie base kit. If you do the lense and cover these guys would be interested

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Sleepy]

Here you go for the S1 club repro pork pie base kit. If you do the lense and cover these guys would be interested

http://abcentral.zapto.org/porkpierepro.jpg

Nice one 260AC, that may just be what we need. Do you have the link to that page handy?

[chazza]

And prices perhaps? :)

Cheers Charlie

[chris1983rangie]

my bottoms rusted. oops i meant the bottoms (bases) on my pork pies are rusted i por15 them and put them back on the vehicle but they only gona last for how long i dont know. yep, i think i will purchase a set for mine.
thanks for the info Mike!

cheers,

Chris

[chazza]

my bottoms rusted. oops i meant the bottoms (bases) on my pork pies are rusted i por15 them and put them back on the vehicle but they only gona last for how long i dont know. yep, i think i will purchase a set for mine.
thanks for the info Mike!

cheers,

Chris

I don't think the photo shows bases Chris ;) Looks more like the rubber and the globe holder disc to me but I may be wrong,

Cheers Charlie

[LRO53]

I have just noticed that the Series One Club is now accepting memberships via Paypal. That will make it heaps easier to join and renew.

Week 26: SIX MONTHS UP... (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=1246.msg7354#msg7354)

[Sleepy]

I have just noticed that the Series One Club is now accepting memberships via Paypal. That will make it heaps easier to join and renew.

Week 26: SIX MONTHS UP... (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=1246.msg7354#msg7354)

Yes, I was their first paypal sign up. :MileStone:

I have asked them about their repro Pork Pies - they apparently produce one. (Either the base or lamp and base.)
As Diana said on an earlier post they are nearly as expensive as the originals. But I thought I would get a price anyway. I'll post it up when I get a quote. (And hopefully a pic too.)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have asked them about their repro Pork Pies - they apparently produce one. (Either the base or lamp and base.)
As Diana said on an earlier post they are nearly as expensive as the originals. But I thought I would get a price anyway. I'll post it up when I get a quote. (And hopefully a pic too.)
The prices are in the Legend!
DSCF6267 Pork Pie back plate £6.50
DSCF6270 Pork Pie gasket £12.50
DSCF6272 Pork Pie lamp base £16.50
DSCF6274 Pork Pie repair kit £30.00
Complete Pork Pie lamp (each) £100.00

Today's quote from Xe.com 1 GB£ = 1.99913 Au$

[barry2]

The originals on our 1956 88 inch are plastic lenses with a centre flat reflector and clear number plate light underneath also in plastic. They have only one stop/tail bulb but actually have a cancellator? which cancels the stop only when the corresponding indicator is on.( a bit like old Yanky cars )This is confusing to todays motorists so I have had to put a separate orange indicator on the back to stop people trying to overtake when I am slowing down to turn right. Happened with a large rubbish truck once and scared the **** out of me, thus the above mod.
This vehicle was ordered fom Solihul for the export market and thus had indicators etc fitted. ( I still have the original guarantee and receipt for the vehicle listing all the optional extras fitted)
The 518's are what we are looking at. Not sure whether the originals were STOP/TAIL or just TAIL but this would be a relatively simple wiring solution using STOP/TAIL globes.

[Sleepy]

Thanks Barry2 - got any photos - are you in Aus? Only ask because I have read of US versions very similar to what you describe.
Some of you oldies correct me if I am wrong, but I understood Aus just had tail lights - with Brake and indicators being a later idea.

[barry2]

No photos as yet.
Yes I'm in QLD.
This vehicle was ordered privately from the factory as an export model destined for West Africa which would account for the indicators and other extras fitted.:D

[JDNSW]

Thanks Barry2 - got any photos - are you in Aus? Only ask because I have read of US versions very similar to what you describe.
Some of you oldies correct me if I am wrong, but I understood Aus just had tail lights - with Brake and indicators being a later idea.

Yes, brake lights and rear reflectors only became required in the 1950s some time. Although brake lights were often fitted before then, they did not relieve the driver of the need to use a hand signal before stopping or slowing until after I got my licence in 1958. Turn indicators only became a legal substitute for hand signals in the 1950s, and became compulsory some time after that - my brother fitted blinkers to his 1959 Series 2 after he bought it in 1963.

[lro11]

Can someone give me an idea on demand if they where about $100 each who would want them?

[Sleepy]

2 :D

[Hebe]

Can someone give me an idea on demand if they where about $100 each who would want them?

For a 100 AUD each I would order two for the front as well.... :D

When and where can I order??????

Regards,

Hebe
Hebe Land Rover | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/hebe.l.rover)

[Hebe]

I tried looking up the part number in the pdf file but there was only a picture of a D light (1954).

So not sure if this is the correct part number:
Lucas 153393, Land Rover 274304 (1955-1958)

Can anyone confirm, or correct?
Regards,

Hebe
Hebe Land Rover | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/hebe.l.rover)

[dennisS1]

I may have misunderstood the earlier posts but Land Rovers always had brake lights, and it is not a requirement to have indicators if the car did not have them when manufactured, may be a bit tricky driving around without them but as long as you give hand signals it is legal. The same applies to seat belts
If indicators have been fitted then they must work.
Dennis

[Sleepy]

I may have misunderstood the earlier posts but Land Rovers always had brake lights, and it is not a requirement to have indicators if the car did not have them when manufactured, may be a bit tricky driving around without them but as long as you give hand signals it is legal. The same applies to seat belts
If indicators have been fitted then they must work.
Dennis

Dennis,
I think where things get a bit grey is the USA habit of using the brake lights to flash also (ie: as indicators as well as brake lights) this is not roadworthy in AUS.

[dennisS1]

This is an interesting one, I have only had one S1 that has had indicators installed by Rover and yes the extra loom is in line with the manual except for additional little indicators at the rear, which may indicate that the flashing of brake lights was not on in Australia even when new cars didn’t need indicators.
Dennis

[toad]

Toad would like two please!

1954 86"

[lro11]

Well it looks like it is not worthwhile to tool up to produce these lights,
I have 3 lights now and I didn't have to pay Capalaba or Cyprus prices they are out there and fairly easy to find.

[Hebe]

It is not worth while? And they are easy to find?

It must be me then, I can't find them (at reasonable price).

Yes I would buy two replicas for 100 AUD each. And NOS... or 2nd hand parts... show me.

Anyone has two for me?

hebe.land.rover@gmail.com

[lro11]

This is interesting. One of the L518 lights that I have has no number plate lense at the bottom. Does anyone else have one like this?

[Lost Landy]

I have sceen a couple with out the cut out for the number plate light but there not common.

[Hebe]

Hi there,

It's been rather quiet on this "lets make some reproductions" thread.

One of the last things to make my Hebe 100% original is two pork pies. And although I may have been one of the few on this thread stating to be willing to pay for them I am sure there are many others. So, if someone has the skills/tools and interest... please don't give up.

Or, are there reproductions to be found elsewhere? (These guys might know, http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/377, I emailed them)

Thanks,

Kris

[Sleepy]

G'day Kris,
Chazza may pop in to give us an update. He was doing a prototype in his own time. Which he may not have much of. ;)

If you need them in a hurry, you can buy replicas from UK Series 1 club. I haven't seen them but I'm told they are pretty good.

If you haven't done so already, I can recommend joining the UK Series 1 club - regular newsletter and support from some very serious series owners. :)

http://www.lrsoc.com

Cheers

[chazza]

Slow progress from me I am afraid! :(

I am in the process of making the base but I never seem to get any spare time to get on with it!

Anyway Xmas is looming and this little slave-worker may get something done then :)

Cheers Charlie

[lro11]

Here you go have a crack at these
LAND ROVER Series 1 - 'Pork Pie' REAR LAMPS --- NEW --- - eBay, Land Rover, Classic Car Parts, Vehicle Parts Accessories. (end time 20-Oct-09 07:37:31 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367959371&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

[Scallops]

Here you go have a crack at these
LAND ROVER Series 1 - 'Pork Pie' REAR LAMPS --- NEW --- - eBay, Land Rover, Classic Car Parts, Vehicle Parts Accessories. (end time 20-Oct-09 07:37:31 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367959371&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Jeez! :eek: Yeah - can we do replicas?

[Sleepy]

Jeez! :eek: Yeah - can we do replicas?

Good idea :lol2:


Wait for the feeding frenzy. My tip is they will sell for over AU$500

[Scallops]

Good idea :lol2:


Wait for the feeding frenzy. My tip is they will sell for over AU$500

I didn't realise they were so expensive. :eek:

[Sleepy]

I didn't realise they were so expensive. :eek:

Yeah there is a regular guy on ebay selling NOS from Cyprus for heaps.:eek2:

Although with the exchange rate GBPs are a bit more afforadable.

Series one club do replicas for about 100 pounds from memory.

[101RRS]

Series one club do replicas for about 100 pounds from memory.

I don't think they are complete lights - I believe that you have to provide your own bases.

Can someone clarify??

Garry

[Sleepy]

I don't think they are complete lights - I believe that you have to provide your own bases.

Can someone clarify??

Garry

Garry,
I've not seen one, but on the back page of the mag they mention bases, and "complete" housing. Anyone got a mag handy?

[dane h]

series one club do bases. Prices very reasonable compared to the ebay ones. I recently ordered a couple in for my 86 as I had the lenses but no bases.

They were a perfect fit for the original lenses I had.

Depending on what bits you need the bases are available with all parts or broken down by baseplate and seal etc.

Cheers

Dane

[dreamin']

I can't find reference to these parts on the LRSOC website - even the rare/repro parts page - are they listed in a 'members only' area?

[Sleepy]

I can't find reference to these parts on the LRSOC website - even the rare/repro parts page - are they listed in a 'members only' area?

No I have only seen them advertised in their mag.

[LRO53]

From the back of Legend.

http://abcentral.zapto.org/porkpie.jpg

These are available to Club Members only i believe.
http://www.lrsoc.com

[Sleepy]

Thanks LRO53,
A bit of a plug for LRSOC - I joined a few months back - well worth the membership fee IMHO. You can join online and the exchange rate is good at the moment too.;) (Nearly as good as Aulro :D)

[chazza]

At approximately A$178 ea plus membership and postage my advice would be to buy them.

I paid $125 for one new D lamp in Oz and I consider it money well spent.

In fact when this thread was started I think most of us thought that the pork pie was more or less unobtainable but given this information, there seems little point in people such as myself attempting to reproduce them for a smallish reduction in price,

Cheers Charlie

[Sleepy]

I think you're right Chazza. When the exchange rate was 40p to the AU dollar they were a bit exxy but at 57p it's probably a reasonable price to make our S1's look authentic.

For those who aren't too fussy, D lights are easier to get and don't look too out of place, and the Wipac lights look OK too.

Thanks for considering this Chazza - probably worthwhile if no-one else was doing it. :angel:

[Mooloolah-Paul]

For the benefit of the uninformed (me ;)), does anyone know when Land Rovers actually changed from the D lights to the Pork Pie type? Also which particular Wipac lights were you referring to Sleepy?

About 8 years ago the now retired Lucas manager who lives at Maleny told me that D-lights were all but unobtainable. He lives just up the road so might pay him a visit. I have his name and phone number somewhere.

I do know how to manufacture reproduction ones but its a bit messy to set up production. Actually glass lenses might be easier to do in small batches than plastic. As Chazza said it may not actually be worth it. I would need to get my hands on a real one to work out a low cost low volume process. Would anyone complain if we put red LEDs inside? Easier to do and more reliable.

Cheers, Paul

[Sleepy]

G'day Paul,

Chazza had a look at doing this a few months back. Not sure how far he progressed.

The Wipac lights were similar shape although all plastic construciton - I have a pic somewhere - many people settle for them

D lights are hard - but not impossible to find - a number of replicas are made too. These were used on many other vehicles too - FJ Holden for instance (number plate light on ute).

Wipac light pic attached.

[Mooloolah-Paul]

Hi Paul,
By chance I have my Land Rover 1954 to 57 parts book with me at work (3rd edition published June 1956). The tail lights shown are the American (small and circular like the front sidelights) and the D-type. However the parts list says the part 19 is 1954. The list indicates a different assembly from 1955 to 1957 identified only as number 26 with about 7 components. both 19 and 26 point to the same item on the drawing - a D-Type lamp. There is no drawing of a pork pie.
Is this another Land Rover inconsistency? :wasntme:
Where can you buy Wipac lights?

Regards, Paul

[101RRS]

I understand the early 80" used the little round lights - basically the same as the front parkers but red. Later 80" changed to D lights.

The 86" came out with pork pies and in Australia these carried on through the 88s until the series 2 came out. Overseas 88s changed from pork pies to the big beacons late in the production run - 58?. However the long wheel base series 1 utes some had D lights and some had pork pies.

While the club price for rear lights is a great price to what is charged elsewhere - you have to admit that over $200 per unit landed in Australia is a hell of a lot of money for what it is. I appreciate the small production run and (as sold only to club members) limited clientele makes costs go up. If I were in that club I would consider selling things like this on the open market as a money making concern for the club - now before people say well why not join the club - well if I joined every club that offered things I needed I would be too poor to buy anything - 101 Club, Series 1 club, Jaguar club, a couple of 4wd clubs, AULRO etc etc etc - so living on a small pension I have to pick and choose.

I have various bits of pork pies that I can use to put a couple together - but I have will have to make my own lenses which I will try out of dyed resin or some sort of two pak plastic. But they may be cheaper when I get around to them so able to buy.

Garry

[Sleepy]

Hi Paul,
By chance I have my Land Rover 1954 to 57 parts book with me at work (3rd edition published June 1956). The tail lights shown are the American (small and circular like the front sidelights) and the D-type. However the parts list says the part 19 is 1954. The list indicates a different assembly from 1955 to 1957 identified only as number 26 with about 7 components. both 19 and 26 point to the same item on the drawing - a D-Type lamp. There is no drawing of a pork pie.
Is this another Land Rover inconsistency? :wasntme:
Where can you buy Wipac lights?

Regards, Paul

Well I'm no expert (yet ;)) but have only ever seen the 86 and 107's with Pork pies later I have seen 88 and 109 s with Wipac style but not sure if they were fitted later.. Having said that my workshop manual has a picture of a 107 with D style.???????????
I am pretty sure Olute (my 107) had pork pies because I can still see the paint mark where the round base was. (Currently has Series 2 type tail lights)

Not sure where you'd get those Wipac lights - have seen them on UK ebay.

I tend to agree with Garry it still is a lot of money - I am not set on "everything must be orginal" restoration so I am in no hurry.:)

I think the variance of lights reflects the way Land Rover operated in the 50s - different lights for different markets and whatever was available at the time.

[JDNSW]

Hi Paul,
By chance I have my Land Rover 1954 to 57 parts book with me at work (3rd edition published June 1956). The tail lights shown are the American (small and circular like the front sidelights) and the D-type. However the parts list says the part 19 is 1954. The list indicates a different assembly from 1955 to 1957 identified only as number 26 with about 7 components. both 19 and 26 point to the same item on the drawing - a D-Type lamp. There is no drawing of a pork pie.
Is this another Land Rover inconsistency? :wasntme:
Where can you buy Wipac lights?

Regards, Paul

Landrover (and other) parts books do not necessarily have accurate pictures in them. And typically, where an item, such as a tail light assembly, is replaced by another type, they often do not show a picture of the new type, just a different part number, usually with a brief description. I don't have a S1 parts book, but for example, in the S2a book I have in front of me, a single picture is used to refer to Lucas, Perei, Sparto and Wipac lights. The S1 book will be similar - don't place too much reliance on the pictures in them!

John

[Mooloolah-Paul]

Hi John, thanks,
Thought so. So its watch out for porkies. (couldn't resist the pun :)) Paul

[chazza]

While the club price for rear lights is a great price to what is charged elsewhere - you have to admit that over $200 per unit landed in Australia is a hell of a lot of money for what it is.

Garry

I tend to agree but making this particular lamp is not as easy as it looks.

There are several parts in metal, which would be time consuming to make as well as making the tooling for a production run. Making the bezel and the body as an accurate replica would be rather difficult. Next comes the time consuming and quite possibly expensive problem of having the lense and rubber seal manufactured - in my case by someone else.

And finally; after taking the time, effort and money to make (for argument's sake) 50 lamps, the manufacturer then runs the risk that they might not sell.

Working on $30/hour as I do, would leave me 6 hours to get a lamp made, which includes assembly; testing; painting in two colours and packaging and dispatch as well as everything else.

I think $178 is a fair price; it might be possible to make it for less but that I don't know for sure.

I am in Sleepy's camp - if $178 seems too much, try something else,

Cheers Charlie

[dreamin']

I found this site recently http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/

They have a good selection of Lucas original (?) and reproduction lights and replacement parts, including D-lamps, but nothing resembling the 518.

Prices seem better than others I have seen advertising online, but postage often worth more than the item. Does anyone know of a supplier with a similar range and prices closer to home?

I have been looking for replacement rubbers for 489 sidelamps - seems a few people (including this mob) sell replacements for the 488 side/flasher/tail lamp, but don't list 489. Does anyone know if the same part will fit both?

Cheers

[chazza]

Perhaps a cheap alternative is to mount the Lucas 488 on a base that is similar to the Lucas 518. 488's cost 15 pounds instead of 100!

Now that is something that would definitely be easy for me to make and cheap as well. I have some old 488's in the shed so I will look into it,

Cheers Charlie

[gromit]

Dreamin,
reproduction 489's are available here side | lamps head spot side rear | Complete Automobilist (http://www.completeautomobilist.com/parts/lamps%20head%20spot%20side%20rear/side/)
Maybe they can supply just the rubber (worth an email to find out). How about a group buy ? I could do with new rubbers for my S1 sidelights.....

What about the ST38 Pork Pie rear light in black as an alternative for the Series 1. Not 100% original but more affordable.
Complete Automobilist | Parts | rear lamp ST38 (http://www.completeautomobilist.com/part/776B/)


Colin

[dreamin']

[QUOTE=chazza;1096836]Perhaps a cheap alternative is to mount the Lucas 488 on a base that is similar to the Lucas 518.

I've always wondered if a short length of black poly pipe would do the job. Fixing to body and lense could be tricky but costs nothing to experiment.

[dreamin']

Dreamin,
reproduction 489's are available here side | lamps head spot side rear | Complete Automobilist (http://www.completeautomobilist.com/parts/lamps%20head%20spot%20side%20rear/side/)
Maybe they can supply just the rubber (worth an email to find out). How about a group buy ? I could do with new rubbers for my S1 sidelights.....

What about the ST38 Pork Pie rear light in black as an alternative for the Series 1. Not 100% original but more affordable.
Complete Automobilist | Parts | rear lamp ST38 (http://www.completeautomobilist.com/part/776B/)


Colin

Thanks Gromit - great find. I was beginning to thing 489s had gone the way of pork pies. Will definitely try to find out if they do rubbers only and let you know.

How would a group buy work? I have found cost of post from UK sometimes cheaper than postage within Aust. Happy to consider, though.

[Sleepy]

Thinking outside the square.
Morris used the 488/9 series too.

THey are cheaper for your old morry ;)

Morris Minor Lights/front/rear : Morris Minor Parts - Morris Minor Spares Online Shop (http://morris-minor.org/morris-minor-lightsfrontrear-c-38.html)

Note they have the Series 2 glass beehive style too which look quite good too.

[dreamin']

Yep - Austins too, apparently

Lens to rim retainer rubber $16.10 prParking light dust boot - Lucas 489$15.30 ea


found at www.scottsoldautorubber.com.au (http://www.scottsoldautorubber.com.au) (Oakleigh Vic)

[gromit]

Sorry to turn this thread into a Lucas 489 rather than Pork Pie thread but...

Dreamin, I went to Scotts today, your price is NQR. Each rubber housing is $17 each and the foam 'donuts' that hold the lens' in place are $17 per pair. Total $51 to re-rubber a pair of 489's. 24 pounds each complete doesn't sound so bad now......

Re: Group buy. Not sure how it should be done but I guess a thread advertising that the purchase is going ahead. Get commitment from forum members, negotiate a price with the seller (quantity purchase should give a better price) then purchase. You would have to split the freight costs from the UK and work out postage charges from yourself to the forum members. Maybe check with Admin to see how it should be approached.



Colin

[dane h]

Colin

Might be worth an email to Holden in the UK. These guys have complete 489s available and parts listed for 488s. Would have to check with them what else is not on their website.

Holden | Electrical | Lighting | Side and Flasher Lamp - Parts products (http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproducts.asp'sg=1&pgCode=010&sgName=Electrical&pgName=Lighting&agCode=0041&agName=Side+and+Flasher+Lamp+%2D+Parts&pageno=2)

Ordered new 489s for the front on my 86 and amber 488s for the rear. Service and response was excellent.

Cheers

Dane

[dreamin']

Dreamin, I went to Scotts today, your price is NQR. Each rubber housing is $17 each and the foam 'donuts' that hold the lens' in place are $17 per pair. Total $51 to re-rubber a pair of 489's. 24 pounds each complete doesn't sound so bad now......



Sorry for the bum steer, gromit - I must have gone to the scottsoldprices site!

Good work everyone - the winner so far is Sleepy's Morris guy with complete new 489s at GBP16.95ea, compared to GBP24.00ea at Complete Automobilist and GBP52.85ea at Holden.

BUT looking at the pics I reckon the Complete Automobilist version is different to the others and looks to me somehow more 'original' - more rounded chrome rim maybe?

This is definitely now a 489 thread

D

[Sleepy]

I find the 489 lenses pop up quite regularly on ebay. I bought one recently for not much (10 to $15). Then bought the replica base. Looks original. :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/433.jpg

(Now to get rid of those ugly indicators :()

[dreamin']

Ordered new 489s for the front on my 86 and amber 488s for the rear. Service and response was excellent.




Thanks Dane

I recall you were planning to mount front indicators off the bumper(?) - what type of light were you thinking of using there?

I have seen a few like this on the LRSOC site and like the look of one with the 'beehive'-type indicators mounted below the bumper directly in front of the springs.

would love to see some more pics when you have them

Cheers

D

[dreamin']

It was interesting that we found more listings for 489s associated with vehicles other than landies - Morris etc.

On this basis, does anyone know if 518 pork pies were fitted to any other vehicles? Trucks and buses from the same era, perhaps?

[Sleepy]

It was interesting that we found more listings for 489s associated with vehicles other than landies - Morris etc.

On this basis, does anyone know if 518 pork pies were fitted to any other vehicles? Trucks and buses from the same era, perhaps?

None that I have found dreamin'. In fact it was only on the Series 1 from 55 to 57 ish and then not the only lights used.

To be honest I am starting at the other end of my 107 and working to the back. :p

[olmate]

Paul,

There was a mob (in Brissie I think) that did a lot of Massey Fergusson parts. These things were priced well and looked the same as the side lights / indicators which you are looking for. They also did the Pre-Cleaner for about $20. I recall "Tractor Imports" but am not sure. Someone here may be able to help out. ;)

[olmate]

But then you could check out this fellas ebay store:

eBay Australia Store ? MD Tractor Parts: Search results for. (http://stores.shop.ebay.com.au/MD-Tractor-Parts_Massey-Ferguson-Ferguson_W0QQ_fsubZ4QQ_sidZ168658785QQ_trksidZp463 4Q2ec0Q2em14?_pgn=4)

Also sells lights which are very close looking to the butler lights for the early 80's

[lro11]

anyone still looking?
Lucas 518 Pork Pie Lamps Land Rover Series 1,Rare!! on eBay (end time 20-Jun-10 11:21:45 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lucas-518-Pork-Pie-Lamps-Land-Rover-Series-1-Rare-/290444740085?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item439fdb05f5)

[mildred]

None that I have found dreamin'. In fact it was only on the Series 1 from 55 to 57 ish and then not the only lights used.

To be honest I am starting at the other end of my 107 and working to the back. :p
Pork pie lights of the fifties were fitted to many English cars. One that springs to mind was the Riley 1500 and the 2500. Also Sunbeam and some MG's...:) most were even chrome plated, very smart indeed.

Oops I meant the D lamps, the above refers to D lamps

[LRO53]

Spotted at Ripon at the Swap.

http://analogalex.fatcow.com/porkpies1.JPG

[101RRS]

Sorry - where is Ripon - I didn't appreciate there was a swap meet on this weekend.

Garry

[123rover50]

Sorry - where is Ripon - I didn't appreciate there was a swap meet on this weekend.

Garry

United Kingdom..

[dreamin']

They originally called it Ripoff. The new name is much better for business.

[chris1983rangie]

hey LRO53 how you doin?
Wow you just struck gold. you could sell them and easily buy 2 more Land Rovers the way these things sell for these days.........!

just for kicks take em onto the Antiques Roadshow and have these tail lamps appraised.....!:p

good find you lucky you!

Chris;)

[mildred]

hey LRO53 how you doin?
Wow you just struck gold. you could sell them and easily buy 2 more Land Rovers the way these things sell for these days.........!

just for kicks take em onto the Antiques Roadshow and have these tail lamps appraised.....!:p

good find you lucky you!

Chris;)

Lets see now,
air fare first class return $ 6500.00-
2 weeks at the Savoy $ 4000.00-
8 lamps @ 5 pounds each =40 quid, say $80 Au
spending money and fun say $ 2000-
Grand total = $12580 inc lamps

On second thoughts I think that I will spend it on Solar Power on the roof, and stay at home for the holidays :BigCry:

lucky brits have all the luck....:cool:

[digger]

SEE THE "WILL THIS PART FIT" THREAD

NOT BAD REPLICAS... AVAILABLE!!