County PTO winch install+ home made bar.

[long stroke]

A while ago we bought a rangie pto winch with everything included to fit to the county.
So far a few problems have showed there head, the main one is the position of the PTO transfer drive unit, if we decide to go with the rangie PTO drive it will require cutting of passenger side footwell to allow room for the shafts:mad:
So at this stage where not shore if we should track down a county drive unit or start cutting:twisted:
The chassis also needed to be moded to fit the winch cradle properly.
We cut about 2-3''s off the cradle to improve the approach angle, and also had the make a new roller for the fairlead, not much done yet but over the next couple of weeks the bar should start to form:)
Some pics....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/952.jpg

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And with the winch bolted in..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/956.jpg

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We are happy with the approach angle and have been thinking about extending the chassis to allow more area to bolt to;)
Should get most the crush tubes welded in next week.

CHEERS TIM.

[DeeJay]

I cut my floorboards- and a bit of the seatbox for exactly the same setup. All you need is a 150mm square piece of sheet lead & some sealastic. I,ve also read that you can drill the housing to angle it correctly.
Looks good

[Fusion]

Great work mate . Will be great to see it finished :BigThumb:

[long stroke]

I cut my floorboards- and a bit of the seatbox for exactly the same setup. All you need is a 150mm square piece of sheet lead & some sealastic. I,ve also read that you can drill the housing to angle it correctly.
Looks good

Thanks Deejay:thumbsup:
Would it be possible to get some pics?
Don't worry if you have to rip the carpet up or something:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[Bearman]

Hi Tim,
Why dont you try to get hold of one of the chain driven pto's that bolt onto the bottom of the t/case (presuming you have an LT95). No cutting involved. This is the type that the Perentis have. They are not cheap but very good and have an inbuilt clutch mechanism so you cant overload/break the winch. ALSO, in one of those photos I see you have a couple of salisbury rear diffs in the backgroung. I am looking for a rear county salisbury casing. Dont really need any of the other bits that bolt onto it , just the casing and bearing caps. As long as it is straight and not leaking around the axle tubes. Are you interested in selling 1. Thanks....Brian

[long stroke]

Hi Tim,
Why dont you try to get hold of one of the chain driven pto's that bolt onto the bottom of the t/case (presuming you have an LT95). No cutting involved. This is the type that the Perentis have. They are not cheap but very good and have an inbuilt clutch mechanism so you cant overload/break the winch. ALSO, in one of those photos I see you have a couple of salisbury rear diffs in the backgroung. I am looking for a rear county salisbury casing. Dont really need any of the other bits that bolt onto it , just the casing and bearing caps. As long as it is straight and not leaking around the axle tubes. Are you interested in selling 1. Thanks....Brian

Hi Bearman:)
Any chance you know where to get a chain driven PTO?
If we could get hold of one for a good price it would save a lot of hassle;)
pm sent in reguards to the diff housing..

CHEERS TIM.

[DeeJay]

Thanks Deejay:thumbsup:
Would it be possible to get some pics?
Don't worry if you have to rip the carpet up or something:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

Landie is in bits now, I re used the seatbox in my project Landie, so it was'nt hacked about much. From memory I cut the floorboard with a thin angle grinder blade and fanned it upwards, so it basically could be hammered back if needed.

[long stroke]

Well it's been a while, got abit done to it this weekend so hopfully this week the cradle should be properly mounted;)
We had to modify the chassis a bit to allow for extra bolting surface so that took a bit of stuffing around and still havn't finished it:angel:
Anyway, here's a crappy pic that doesn't show much:angel:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/07/246.jpg

The red parts are the bits of 3x3 inch box section with 6-7mm wall thickness which we are using to extend the chassis to make way for more bolting surface.



They are only tacked to the chassis for now but will be welded properly once everything is right:)
The good thing about using box section this thick is that there is no need for crush tubes:cool:

Got afew bolts in (12mm 8.8)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/07/247.jpg

CHEERS TIM.

[DeeJay]

Good thinking :thumbsup:.
Looking at the original set up- again, you could have bent the whole lot sideways with a half decent angle & load on the cable.

David

[long stroke]

Good thinking :thumbsup:.
Looking at the original set up- again, you could have bent the whole lot sideways with a half decent angle & load on the cable.

David

Yep, not much support there, the chassis is pretty this aswell:angel:

[long stroke]

Got it mounted with 3 12mm bolts on each side today, still going to add two more just to be safe though:cool:

Anyway now we just have to weld the chassis extensions in properly then think about making the bar off the cradle:)

Pics..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1993.jpg

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We are quite happy with the approach angle, will most likely have to shorten the pto shafts though:angel:, it's just about as far as we could possibly get it in with this cradle;)

P.S will have to cut the grill to allow room for the winch drum

CHEERS TIM.

[stikman]

It is about time you got started on this........when was it that i delivered it down? :p

Looking good, as always :thumbsup:

[long stroke]

It is about time you got started on this........when was it that i delivered it down? :p

Looking good, as always :thumbsup:

:D
It might be done by Christmas, you never know:p
Things just keep getting in the way:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Got more done today..

Finished drilling the mounting holes, and welded the chassis extensions in for good:cool:

Pics..

It might be ugly but it's strong :angel:

The red line's show how much weld we managed to hold the extension's on with if you know what i mean.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1913.jpg

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Plus more weld on top and the other side..

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Bit of primer

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The cradle

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Than we ran out of light so couldn't get a coat of black on:(

Anyway, it's a down hill run from here, need to weld some tube arms onto the cradle to protect the side's of the car, than maybe a tube hoop to protect the grill and spotties:)
Also got to run the PTO shafts and fit the PTO drive unit to the back of the g'box.

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Got abit more done this arvo...

Side arms tacked in position before we trimed/angled the ends..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1805.jpg

Ends trimed and angled..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1806.jpg

You can also see in the pic above where we are positioning the recovery hooks.

The arms will need bracing back to the chassis, so that might get done tomoz, then we are thinking of adding a hoop to house the spotties:)
Abit of paint then she's complete:cool:

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Almost done:)

Got the arms braced, the ends of the arms capped off, hoop bent up, and spottie mounts welded to the hoop:cool:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1379.jpg

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The el cheapo tube bender we bought a while ago seemed to work well, now all we need to do is weld an arial mount on somewhere, fit the winch and recovery hooks, weld it up properly and paint it;)

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

All ground down, primed and painted black with killrust:cool:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1020.jpg

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Now we just have to sought out the winch and she will be done:)

CHEERS TIM.

[Fusion]

Looks great Tim ;) . The Defer looks like it has a big grin :D .

[long stroke]

Looks great Tim ;) . The Defer looks like it has a big grin :D .

Oy!! It's a county:p
Yeah it gave it a bit of a face lift:D

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Winch ,bar, and recovery hooks fitted...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/690.jpg

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Hooks..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/692.jpg

Grill cut

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/693.jpg

And a good approach angle, just have to fit a steering/bashplate and wire up the spotties.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/694.jpg

CHEERS TIM.

[cal415]

Nice work, I like the angled pipe work!

[long stroke]

Nice work, I like the angled pipe work!

Thanks Cal:)
I was abit worried at how it was going to look at one stage but it turned out pretty god IMO:cool:

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Spotties and new arial hooked up and mounted:)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1224.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1365.jpg

Also the winch is almost completly hooked up, last weeked we properly mounted the shafts to the chassis and re greased and oiled everything!
Got the G'box PTO drive back from being modified aswell today:cool:
We got the whole unit extended 2''s and are going to rotate it down do acheive a much better shaft route:)

The extended bit..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1366.jpg

So all there is to do now is tenshin the chain in the PTO drive and drill,tap, file and cut afew holes and she will be done finaly:banana:

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Well it's all done, it even works apart from the fact that it's a bottam winding winch and not a top like most, so to pull cable in we have to use reverse gear:(, and we have 4 forward gears to wind it out.:angel:
Will get it fixed oneday when we can find a top winding worm gear.
For now we will just have to use reverse on the winch, bloody slow but will keep pulling until the chassis rips in half:eek:
Anyone got a spare PTO winch that we could scab the Worm wheel drive out of:D

TIM.

[klappers]

what are the advantages of going with a PTO as opposed to a electric. Good work BTW. Keep the pics coming.. How about a pic of the winch being used in anger!

[long stroke]

what are the advantages of going with a PTO as opposed to a electric. Good work BTW. Keep the pics coming.. How about a pic of the winch being used in anger!

Thanks Klappers!
The advantages of a PTO winch in my opinion are the strength and reliability, they arn't real quick but will pull anything, and aparently a standard PTO will pull up hills non stop all day as long as they aren't being reved to hard;)
I might get a pick or a vid of it working when we use it again:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[THE 109]

Some pto's love being revved hard all day long and stay cool:D
But not a thomas as the friction tends to cook the oil when worked hard.
Tim-PM sent.
Eric

[long stroke]

Some pto's love being revved hard all day long and stay cool:D
But not a thomas as the friction tends to cook the oil when worked hard.
Tim-PM sent.
Eric

Haha, your PTO is faster than the county all togethor:p

[weeds]

what are the advantages of going with a PTO as opposed to a electric.


so long as your motor is running you can winch all day
4 x varible winch in speed, you use your gears and accelerator
no battery drain
no over heating of electric motors


the only thing i haven't checked out is the shear pin i.e. how hard it it to replace mid way through winching

recently i had to take over recovering a mates car as his hydraulic winch connect to his power steering was struggling........oh and due to the angle combined with his main tank being nearly empty the car was running out of fuel due to the pickup spot

[Cap]

Nice work mate. Between the disco and the county you sure have done some serious DIY projects :D

And once again, I spot a 505 in the background! hehe

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1224.jpg

[long stroke]

Nice work mate. Between the disco and the county you sure have done some serious DIY projects :D

And once again, I spot a 505 in the background! hehe

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/09/1224.jpg

Thanks man:cool:
505- yeah that ones the paddock basher AKA the ''THE BUSH PIG'':D

[klappers]

Best car I have ever owned.. 504 mechanical injection Peugeot closely followed by a 505 carby. Had the 504 in the family for 20 years, the 404 for 25, and the 505 for 15... still got the 405 Mi16, and two 406's one turbo diesel and the other a petrol auto... still wish i had bought the 205 GTi

[DeeJay]

Tim
You are unfortunately losing one major benefit with using reverse & that is you wont be able to drive forward at the same time when using the winch & that can really help sometimes.Thinking about it, my winch was the same. Personally I'd sling the rollers under the bullbar and - so what if you have to dig to get to the cable sometimes- its a much better place to winch from as it tends to pull up & get the vehicle out, rather than keep pulling you along in the soft stuff.
Cheers, David

[long stroke]

Tim
You are unfortunately losing one major benefit with using reverse & that is you wont be able to drive forward at the same time when using the winch & that can really help sometimes.Thinking about it, my winch was the same. Personally I'd sling the rollers under the bullbar and - so what if you have to dig to get to the cable sometimes- its a much better place to winch from as it tends to pull up & get the vehicle out, rather than keep pulling you along in the soft stuff.
Cheers, David

It's all sorted, Thanks to 'THE 109' we will be swapping him for a top wind winch:cool:
But i didn't know you could drive assist with a PTO?
i thought you had to have the transfer case in neutral?:angel:
Please explain:D

CHEERS TIM.

[long stroke]

Best car I have ever owned.. 504 mechanical injection Peugeot closely followed by a 505 carby. Had the 504 in the family for 20 years, the 404 for 25, and the 505 for 15... still got the 405 Mi16, and two 406's one turbo diesel and the other a petrol auto... still wish i had bought the 205 GTi

Yeah the older ones are great cars!!
I reckon as you mensioned the best Peugeot would have to be the 504 mechanical injection, they go hard and are still reliable, we have a 1990 peugeot 505 electronic injection and it has a few reliablility isues:(

TIM.

[klappers]

Yeah the older ones are great cars!!
I reckon as you mensioned the best Peugeot would have to be the 504 mechanical injection, they go hard and are still reliable, we have a 1990 peugeot 505 electronic injection and it has a few reliablility isues:(

TIM.



Yep too true. over 700,000kms on the motor in the 504 :eek: The 505 I dont think was ever that good of a car :angel: And the 405 Mi16... well thats just a bit of fun!

[86mud]

sorry for the highjack Tim...but adding to the Pug debate....

I've had a few 504's with one very special car that I built for the 1995 Mobil One Trail, but my 505 turbo diesel was the best car I ever owned! Wish now I have never parted with it.

ps...my old man has a 1973 504 auto with 59,000 genuine miles on the clock....you could eat your dinner off the mudflaps...it is that clean and neat!

I keep telling him that it would be a perfect car for the Endeavour rally.

He won't let me near it!

Cheers
Andrew

[weeds]

It's all sorted, Thanks to 'THE 109' we will be swapping him for a top wind winch:cool:
But i didn't know you could drive assist with a PTO?
i thought you had to have the transfer case in neutral?:angel:
Please explain:D

CHEERS TIM.

yes you have the option of keeping the transfer engaged, i have done this on PTO's that have clutch overrides fitted instead of shear pins, even if there is no traction its reduces the load on the clutch over ride thingy

the only thing to be carefull of when winching and driving together is shock loading the cable i.e. if you gain traction and the rope goes slack but you than loose traction and slide back you will shock load the rope

i think that makes sense......

[weeds]

i think we need a peugeot thread......................i keep seeing new posts about the PTO, get excited but only get to read 505 this 504 that;):p

[long stroke]

Hey Andrew:)
Yeah we have a very nice peugeot 504 mechenical injected sitting in the shed waiting to be restored, dad plans on doing it up for a bash car or similar...:angel:

TIM.


sorry for the highjack Tim...but adding to the Pug debate....

I've had a few 504's with one very special car that I built for the 1995 Mobil One Trail, but my 505 turbo diesel was the best car I ever owned! Wish now I have never parted with it.

ps...my old man has a 1973 504 auto with 59,000 genuine miles on the clock....you could eat your dinner off the mudflaps...it is that clean and neat!

I keep telling him that it would be a perfect car for the Endeavour rally.

He won't let me near it!

Cheers
Andrew

[long stroke]

yes you have the option of keeping the transfer engaged, i have done this on PTO's that have clutch overrides fitted instead of shear pins, even if there is no traction its reduces the load on the clutch over ride thingy

the only thing to be carefull of when winching and driving together is shock loading the cable i.e. if you gain traction and the rope goes slack but you than loose traction and slide back you will shock load the rope

i think that makes sense......

Thanks for that Kelvin:)
I never knew you could winch and drive assist, good to know....
But as you mesioned shock load is the main problem;)


i think we need a peugeot thread......................i keep seeing new posts about the PTO, get excited but only get to read 505 this 504 that;):p

lol:D
I think i might have to start a peugeot thread, good suggestion:D

CHEERS TIM.

[weeds]

I think i might have to start a peugeot thread, good suggestion:D

CHEERS TIM.

off you go then:D