Long range fuel tank

[hfwebb]

Has anyone any feedback on long range tanks for D3. I think TJM do a complete replacement and ARB a seperate tank in the spare well. Is one better than he other and hanging the spare on the bumper is there a bracket rather than a complete new bumper.
Thanks for any advice

[Bushwanderer]

Sorry, can't answer re the fuel tanks. However, 4x4 Intelligence, in Melbourne, do a rear wheel carrier for the D3 (I have one on order :BigThumb:).

Best Wishes,
Peter

[Neil P]

I use 25lt fuel cans in the rear for the few
occasions I've been concerned. Saves you alot of
money and trouble vs. alternatives.
How many times while you have this vehicle will
you run out of fuel without backup ?
I'll change for a D4 soon ..... 24months old.
Can you justify the cost. Non of this stuff adds value
and often puts buyers off re: where's this been :eek:

....... another view

[sniegy]

Hfwebb,
I havent heard of a replacement tank for the D3. If it were available it wouldnt hold much more as the tank already takes up all the room where it is.

I have heard of the Spare wheel well tank & i have seen many, does a good job, BUT very costly. As NielP has said do u plan on keeping the vehicle for a long period of time?

Simon at 4x4Itelligence is the man to speak to wrt swing away carrier.
Just enquire if they do the opposite side for a swing away fuel can!?
I am not sure, but it is another option.

Cheers & good luck.

[stig0000]

we put a longrange tank in as soon as we toke delivery,, went from the dealer ship to tjm, an with a bullbar,, but with the new tank, we can get just under 2000km range, if we get avg 10LPH, an if were towing the van we get about 16-1700k to both tanks,

[rmp]

Get a LR tank. It's very handy for touring even if you're never more than 600km from a servo, in remote areas opening hours may not be to your schedule and there's always the possibility of a backtrack.

If you're concerned about what people may think with a LR tank then don't take the car offroad at all and just leave it polished in the garage. Yes, you won't get your money back on it, but neither will you get the use out of it.

What doesn't sell is a stock car used offroad, because there are many stockers not used offroad. If it's been used offroad it'd better have some accessories to make it worthwhile.

[Jamo]

I agree with Robert. If you put an LR tank in, then your looking at a different sales market.

I have had a long range automotive aux tank in for almost three years now. When I was doing lots more km, it meant filling up only once or twice a week, rather than several. Plus it gives peace of mind where long distances are involved.

[Timj]

I have the Long Ranger tank bought through ARB that goes in the spare wheel well and a Kaymar rear bar to take the spare. I like the extra range since I do a bit of touring and 180l can get you a fair way with the diesel.

It is sometimes a bit of a pain having to swing the wheel out of the way to get in the back but you get used to it.

TimJ.

[djambalawa]

Gday TimJ - mate whats the rough price of that setup? Its something I want to go for too...

[Timj]

Hi Djambalawa,

I can't remember exactly as it was part of a whole lot of stuff (snorkel, bull bar, roof rack, long range tank, kaymar bar) that all up cost about 8k. I think the tank was around 1200 and the rear bar around 1800 but fitting may have been extra. I did get some discount because of how much stuff I was buying in one go. ARB have a catalogue that has full prices that they are quite happy to hand out.

TimJ

[Tote]

How do they plumb in the second tank? does it use a transfer pump to pump into the main, also where does the filler go?
Regards,
Tote

[Timj]

Hi Tote,

Yes they use a transfer pump to get petrol across to the main tank. The filler is in the same place as standard with two holes inside the fuel flap and you just fill them both up. Front pipe is the standard tank and back pipe is the auxiliary.

TimJ.

[sniegy]

Well,
There you go,

Did not realise they had replacement tanks for these things.

Can i ask what the replacement size becomes. Is it a big difference?

Cheers.

[Jamo]

Nah Pete, they don't. These guys are all talking about auxilliary tanks.

I rang around when I got mine way back and they all said they'd looked, but they came up with what you said in your earlier post: The OE tank is as big as will fit in the space it's in.

After taking my tank off the other day to try and fix the fuel gauge sender, i can believe it.

[sniegy]

Thanks Jamo,

I didnt think there was a "Replacement" tank as such.

Do u know what size the "Aux" tank tank is, i see many in the w/shop but dont really know how many litres are in it.

I would say at a guess 80Ltrs? but not really sure.
Looking at a V8 at the moment as i have 1 at work cheap & i know the owner..so more thinking...more deliberating.;)

Its fun removing the tank, isnt it:mad:.
Which sender was it, the one u cant get to??
Can be problematic at times..

Cheers & thanks again.:D

[Timj]

Hi Sniegy,

Tank is nominally 110 litres (apparently about 104 useable) but I have never got that much in and now I have a couple of big dents in it and it definitely doesn't hold over 100.

TimJ.

[Jamo]

Like Tim says, it is labelled as 110 litres, but I've only ever got 104 litres in it from dry. (still, what's 6 litres between friends)

It was, unfortunately, the front sender:mad:. And my arm is not 6 foot long with at least three elbows.

I can live with it. The fuel guage now only uses the top half. When the tank's full, it reads full, when it's half full it reads at 3/4 full, and when it's empty it reads half full.

At the moment I have to replace the LHS EGRV; and do a double flush (~18 litres of oil that costs more than gold) and filter change on the transmission; so forking out for a new tank isn't on the cards!

[rmp]

Only 104L even trickle-filling? Usually with LR tanks you need to trickle the last 5-10L in very carefully. Works with normal tanks too, with the D3 you can get another 5-7L in over the first click on the filler.

[Jamo]

Yep, only 104 even with trickle filling. I don't know, but I think that their stated 110l must be a gross measurement.

Doesn't matter. I try not to get myself in a possie where 6 litres matters.

I've managed to get 89 litres in the main tank.

[Desert Traveller]

With a LR tank fitted you will add 110 kgs plus to the rear end all the time. :( Just weigh up how often you are really going to need the additional range. For the number of times I need the additional range, I use jerries and then throw them away. A few dollars per long trip.
I haven't done the CSR where you really need to look carefully at your options.

[rmp]

With a LR tank fitted you will add 110 kgs plus to the rear end all the time. :( Just weigh up how often you are really going to need the additional range. For the number of times I need the additional range, I use jerries and then throw them away. A few dollars per long trip.
I haven't done the CSR where you really need to look carefully at your options.

38kg actually. Only 110 extra on top of that if you fill it. Saying take jerries is fine, if you have the space, and the average family of four in a D3 not towing would not have. On the roof isn't a good idea either.

IMHO LR tanks are the very best way to carry extra fuel.

[Redback]

Like Tim says, it is labelled as 110 litres, but I've only ever got 104 litres in it from dry. (still, what's 6 litres between friends)

It was, unfortunately, the front sender:mad:. And my arm is not 6 foot long with at least three elbows.

I can live with it. The fuel guage now only uses the top half. When the tank's full, it reads full, when it's half full it reads at 3/4 full, and when it's empty it reads half full.

At the moment I have to replace the LHS EGRV; and do a double flush (~18 litres of oil that costs more than gold) and filter change on the transmission; so forking out for a new tank isn't on the cards!

Is that 110lts over the main tank or 110lts including the main?

Baz.

[Jamo]

110 plus the main tak. So mine has a fuel capacity now of 193 litres from dry (being useable 104 litres in the aux and 89 litres in the OE tank - I know it's 89 litres 'cause 89.9 went in when I ran out)

[CaverD3]

A manufacturer in Melbourne wants a guinea pig for tank.
PM me and I'll put you in touch.:D

[Neil P]

Guinea pig ...... that's an interesting new biofuel A ;)

[Jamo]

I'm not sure a single guinea pig would hold much. And you'd need a lot of them to make a suitable tank from their skins.

[IWANNAOLDRANGIE]

for more info on the ARB tank go to :: The Long Ranger :: Long Range Fuel Tanks & Long Range Water Tanks :: (http://www.thelongranger.com.au) all the info is there

[CaverD3]

A serious offer, they want to manufacture one. (a tank not a rodent):angel:

[garryc]

Has anyone any feedback on long range tanks for D3. I think TJM do a complete replacement and ARB a seperate tank in the spare well. Is one better than he other and hanging the spare on the bumper is there a bracket rather than a complete new bumper.
Thanks for any advice
I have the Longrange brand which is 110 litres :) It is separate from the main tank and uses an electric pump to tranfer fuel. There is the Longranger brand which I believe connects directly to the main tank and shares the fuel. I got my tank from TJM. I also have the Kaymar bar as having the spare underneath can be difficult to get out in some terrains, it is bad enough to get at even in the suburbs :mad:

[Tote]

Brown davis also make a 120 litre aux fuel tank. Brown Davis Automotive - Long Range & Auxiliary Fuel Tanks (http://www.browndavis.com.au/navtanks.html)

Regards,
Tote

[rmp]

I have a Brown Davis aux tank (cheers Caver ;-) ). The fuel filler clicked off at 107.5L. It was easy enough to get 110L in, might have trickled a little more in had I tried. So that's 192L of fuel, call it 185 usuable. Enough for a few trips to the shops ;-) Or if we use Jamo's figure of 89.9 (assuming he wasn't confused with an FM station :D ), close enough to 200L and not a jerrycan in sight.

I do like long-range tanks on trips and not having to bother with refueling queues at the end of a day's drive when you should be kicking back with a cold one instead.

[Garry]

I got my Kaymar bar and Long Ranger tank fitted last Friday, all was good until Saturday when the Aux fuel gauge was reading empty. :mad:

Thankfully the fuel was still in the tank as I managed to fill my main tank up on monday, off to ARB again for them to look at it again on Wednesday

On a positive note I get my bullbar and winch fitted on Monday ready for the weekend up at Land Cruiser Park

G

[CaverD3]

What 'MY' year is your D3? Will the Brown davis tank fit MY07 and later?

[rmp]

Mine is an MY08.5 TDV6 and the BD tank will fit. They had to make some make modifications as the D3 design had changed a little.

[CaverD3]

Yup there was change from MY07 they added bits near the spare wheel. Glad they used yours as the guinea pig. So it should be backwards compatable. :BigThumb:

[WazzaACT]

I have done pretty much the same as TimJ and generally pretty happy. My Kaymar has two wheel carriers. Two things to be aware of are the extra weight of fuel and rear wheel carriers at the rear of the vehicle and the need to swing away the wheels carriers for rear access. On balance though for long range travel it is a good set up.

[Neil P]

....and the need to swing away the wheels carriers for rear access.

That's the real pain of this placement vs. roof

[rmp]

Some carriers can have their arms removed for around-town use.

[Bushwanderer]

I believe that the 4x4Intelligence new design can do this, as well as being able to remove the pivot spigot.

Best WIshes,
Peter

[dmdigital]

I need a range of 750km to get out of town to the Stuart Hwy. For this I've traditionally fitted a long range tank or carried 2 x 20L jerries.

Here's my take on this as I'm considering it for the Puma (the 45L side tank from FrontRunner).


Long Range Tank will cost me about $850.
I already own 4 jerry cans and with the camper I have storage for all of them.
If I haven't got the camper in tow I need storage for the fuel in the vehicle.

The last point is what is making me consider getting the long range tank and why I got the long range tank in my first Disco. Carrying extra fuel in Jerries takes up space on the vehicle. The cost side is never going to really be recovered, so why worry about it. About the only bonus of a long range fuel capacity out side of remote areas is the ability to skip the expensive fuel stops on the highway.

[rmp]

For me, a LR tank has real benefits even outside of remote areas.

For example a recent trip to Cape Otways used a bit over half a tank from Melbourne. Now the Cape isn't isolated like say areas in the NT, but when we got to our campsite, late afternoon, I didn't feel like going for a drive to find a servo, and there would be no guarantee the thing would be open. So that meant the following morning we had to be careful about where we went and what fuel we used and plan the trip to include a servo.

With a LR tank you fill at the start of the weekend and no further worries. I could give many more examples like extended High Country runs. Camp at Talbotville and a fuel trip to Dargo is the best part of two hours, which I'd rather be using for other purposes.

It's not absolutely required, but for me it's well worth it. As for cost, yes you won't recoup it, but it's more than skipping servos, I could easily have made a 60km round trip just for fuel that I simply wouldn't have needed to make with a LR tank.

[dmdigital]

... but it's more than skipping servos, I could easily have made a 60km round trip just for fuel that I simply wouldn't have needed to make with a LR tank.
I guess that's just another take on skipping Servo's. I tend not to think that way as for me there is only one fuel outlet and when I'm travelling its always the one you're passing when you need to refuel. But it's a very valid point and could add a lot of unnecessary wasted travel to a trip.

[rmp]

I guess that's just another take on skipping Servo's. I tend not to think that way as for me there is only one fuel outlet and when I'm travelling its always the one you're passing when you need to refuel. But it's a very valid point and could add a lot of unnecessary wasted travel to a trip.

Exactly right. I used to think of LR tanks for your situation -- when it's either use one, jerries or cruise at 70. But when I got one I realised it just made life a lot easier a lot of the time, it's not just for the Simpson. It's just good to cruise without worrying about fuel. With a LR tank I can tow from say Adelaide to Melbourne and not be concerned about fuel. You know what it's like, you pull in for a stop over a public holiday and there's 20 vehicles lined up at the pumps and all you want to do is relax during your stop, not sit there in a queue. By picking my fuel times I can avoid all that grief. I actually tend to refuel at small local servos when the time suits me, not when it suits the car, and often have a bit of a chat with the owner for local info. I just think it's right to pay a little extra for fuel and support the area you're travelling in.

[peterall]

I just think it's right to pay a little extra for fuel and support the area you're travelling in.

That is a really good point RMP. All the small local traders in our great south land need our support and if we only fill up or generally shop with the 'big boys' e.g. Woolies and Coles, more and more small businesses will be forced out of business.
The bonus is the local knowledge you can glean from the local traders.
Long live small business in Oz.