chips ???

[wells]

Looking on ebay and keep seeing these performance mod chips for Range Rovers , are they any good ? do they work ? Seems cheap for the quoted gains .

[rangieman]

Looking on ebay and keep seeing these performance mod chips for Range Rovers , are they any good ? do they work ? Seems cheap for the quoted gains .
Might help if you post a link so we know what your on about:cool:

[Grimace]

I am assuming you are talkign about the RPi Engineering chips.

If so, they are orsum. Only thing is you need to pull out your ecu and open it up to replace the eprom.

They need details of which eprom is your current so they can supply you with the correct chip and tune.

EDIT: If i didnt already have my Haltech i would be running a RPi chip

[Rangier Rover]

The Haltech intercepter may be more tunable.

Tony

[Landy Smurf]

i heard they can be better but they can stuff things up and if the insurance company find out or if you have any warranty on the vehicle then you you lose it- just what i heard

[PhilipA]

They work best on older systems like the 14CUX because the ECU is dumb and does not self tune. ( except if you add o2 sensors). In addition the tune that comes to Australia is "rest of world" which allows for fuel down to 87 or so octane. Finally 14CUX has no control of ignition timing at all.

If you put in a bigger capacity (eg 4.6 vs 3.9) they are superior to a standard chip as the 14CUX has programmed a maximum injector duration of 70% or so and the RPI ECU changes this to a higher duty cycle) . No aftermarket piggybacks can change this. AFAIR the standard ECU also adds no more fuel after about 5K revs so the engine is "governed" .

The RPI chip also changes idle speed, cold start settings, and deletes the speed limiter at 180Kmh.

HOWEVER the major gains from a piggyback are from taking control of the timing curve and adding LOTS of advance at light throttle low revs, and if necessary at higher revs.

IMHO the timing changes are the secret to the greater power and economy that are gained with a piggyback.

SO for standard capacity a piggyback is best.
For bigger capacity an RPI chip will help but gains will be limited without a piggyback as well.
Regard sPhilip A

[mike 90 RR]

I think Wells might be thinking of this product

20 bhp mod chip for RANGE ROVER Freelander Land Rover - eBay Mod Chips, Performance Parts, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 29-Apr-09 21:02:04 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/20-bhp-mod-chip-for-RANGE-ROVER-Freelander-Land-Rover_W0QQitemZ280335710617QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C ar_Parts_Accessories?hash=item280335710617&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318)

I believe that it is a resistor pack added to the hot wire of the MAF

Have no idea of it's true function & value

Mike
;)

[p38arover]

I believe they cause the engine to run richer.

[mike 90 RR]

I believe they cause the engine to run richer.

and you can achieve that for FREE, via pull the wires off the engine temp sensor on the motor for the ECU :p

would not buy it

Mike
;)

[wells]

Yep ,Thats the one , will need to learn how to post a link , Thanks Mike 90

[mike 90 RR]

Yep ,Thats the one , will need to learn how to post a link , Thanks Mike 90

I'm after improving the fuel economy also

I'm waiting for delivery of these (this week) ..... Bosch Gen 111 injectors

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/102.jpg


eBay Motors: * Fuel Injectors 19lb Design III 3 Ford Mustang TPI BMW (item 270379481714 end time May-03-09 16:58:36 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fuel-Injectors-19lb-Design-III-3-Ford-Mustang-TPI-BMW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem 270379481714QQitemZ270379481714QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5 fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting)

Hoping to get more HP & economy via the better spray pattern .... will let you know how it goes


Mike
:)

[PhilipA]

Well I didn't with my series 2s.(although hard to say as I have lots more done to the engine)
But it idles a lot better!!!
Regards Philip A

[PhilipA]

It looks like I misinterpreted the question.

However it is because I did not think anyone could SERIOUSLY ask about the $20 chips on ebay.

The answer is NO they are not worth it.
Regards Philip A

[Rangier Rover]

They partially override the ecu temp probe right?

Tony

[Rangier Rover]

I'm after improving the fuel economy also

I'm waiting for delivery of these (this week) ..... Bosch Gen 111 injectors

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/04/102.jpg


eBay Motors: * Fuel Injectors 19lb Design III 3 Ford Mustang TPI BMW (item 270379481714 end time May-03-09 16:58:36 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fuel-Injectors-19lb-Design-III-3-Ford-Mustang-TPI-BMW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem 270379481714QQitemZ270379481714QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5 fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting)

Hoping to get more HP & economy via the better spray pattern .... will let you know how it goes


Mike
:) Rings a bell.......How many ccs are they? Think they may suit my Supercharged 3.9.

Tony

[mike 90 RR]

I did not think anyone could SERIOUSLY ask about the $20 chips on ebay.

The answer is NO they are not worth it.
Regards Philip A

I had a look and asked them some Q's .... I picked up that they where just getting the Hot wire to give a false reading ... 20HP extra via flooding the motor with extra fuel ... I doubt it :(



Rings a bell.......How many ccs are they? Think they may suit my Supercharged 3.9.
Tony


Click on the Ebay link .... It will get you to their store .... Ask them a Q, as they are "right into" Injectors ....

Fuel Injector Connection (http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/shop/) .... There is a cc calculator... Calculator (http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.com/shop/docs/widercalc.html) ... on their site ... These Gen111 are rated 19lb, The calculator suggests 199.5cc

Mike
:)

[mike 90 RR]

When I got home

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8489/injector11.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=injector11.jpg)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8725/injector21.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=injector21.jpg)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1850/injector31.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=injector31.jpg)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3711/injector41.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=injector41.jpg)

How do you fit these again??? :cool:



Now I have to do a 100k drive to record a Drive test result on the old injectors ... Then fit and test the new ones ... Then repeat the test

A job for next week :)

Mike
:)

[wayneg]

Mike, a nice easy job that should be done in 2hrs max. Dont forget to check that the all the old O rings come out with the old injectors or like me you will be wondering why one of the new injectors is a few mil longer than the others when putting back the fuel rail.
Regardless of fuel economy my car pulls much stronger at higher speeds since the change.

[Lucus]

Mike, how are you making changes to the injector pulse duration to suit the different injectors? Are they the same impedance as the stock lucas ones?

[mike 90 RR]

Mike, how are you making changes to the injector pulse duration to suit the different injectors? Are they the same impedance as the stock lucas ones?

I am not making any changes ... These injectors are suppose to be a straight swap

Just a little footnote ....
I am no expert on EFI ... Still Learning

These Gen111 have me excited because I can see the potential in the different spray pattern that they produce

I want to do a test between the old & the new ... to confirm that it either works ... or .... It is just another snake oil myth

Mike
:)

[wayneg]

Mike, how are you making changes to the injector pulse duration to suit the different injectors? Are they the same impedance as the stock lucas ones?
Like mike I am no expert on the technicalities of these injectors however there are many post on this and other forums from those far brighter than me that have concluded these are a straight swap hence me fitting a set. All I can say is that physicaly they are a direct fit with no mods and the car runs fine with them installed.

[Grimace]

ow c'mon, i want results already :D