teenagers

[Landy Smurf]

hey i know that this has been on the news abit
but my friend and i have been talking about this for the last few years being in year 11 i have been/going through the party:twisted: stage drinking cars drugs and sex
and i cant understand why people mainly from the age of 14 want to go to a party just to get smashed(drunk real bad and quickly) and in my group that i sat with last year out of about 20 of us only 5 had not been stoned 2 have not been drunk and i was the only one who had not smoked before. i am all for going to peoples places and having a good time even if there is alcohol but going to a party to get smashed to me is one of the stupidest things luckily my best friend is on the same page as me on all this and what is worst is that parents buy alcohol for them(alot more than what they need) and even buy smokes for them i personly dont real care if you drink or smoke but not if your doing it just to look cool because at the and of the day it is quite the opposite i no there is alot more to be said so ill let you guys do a bit of it:)
ps im 17

[The ho har's]

Well good on you not to follow the masses..........


My Daughters are nearly 25 and 22 and I can say I have never seen them drunk..they do drink but rarely......or have ever smoked...I congratulate your parents for giving you good morals...I beleive we have done the same:)



Mrs ho har:angel:

[Grover-98]

Hey mate...

I drink but not heavily i have once vomited from drinking too much and have only been very drunk on a few odd occasions, Such as my 18th my girls 18th and last New Year. I find those three time acceptable to be drunk.

As for drugs and smoking dont do either and have no intention to try either, some of my mates are chimnys and pop pingers in town but that is their choice but at the end of the day i am there to pick up the pieces if they get into grief.

As for sex...come on nothing wrong with that.

So in conclusion best to steer clear of the drugs and smoke but aye its your choice to not do it and its their choice to do it :)

James, 19

[Landy Smurf]

i havent nothing sex it good:D but by that i mean people younger then 14 doing it and people having sex with a few people in a night(there is a few people in my year that are well known for that and they are quite regularly doing that at partys) they probly think its reely good but not wen they get a disease which will happen if they keep that up.dont think by me saying all this that im mr anti-sex because there is no such thing for a guy.good to hear that by the way
its a sensible choice just like owning landrovers is:D

[subasurf]

going to a party to get smashed to me is one of the stupidest things

Mate, this is Australia. Nothing is worth doing, if it's not being done with a beer in one hand.

[Ace]

I am a teacher, well until tomorrow, and I continually ask me the same question. The kids come to school on a monday and tell me how this person was smashed and how they drank this much on the weekend etc etc and I ask them why they need to get drunk on weekends, their answer "cause its fun", I ask why they need alchohol to have fun and they say cause its boring if you arent ****ed. When they ask me if i drink and i tell them i barely drink at all they are shocked at how i can possibly enjoy myself without drinking myself into oblivion.

I guess we will just never understand.

[seano87]

Ahaha what an interesting thread.

Drinking - up until the age of about 20 I hardly drank at all. I could never see the point beyond about one or two. It costs too much, you forget things, do silly things, and its not particularly nice on all parts of your body. I much prefer to be the sober one laughing at everyone else. But these days I seem to be drinking more and more, but never to excess.

Smoking - I am guilty of that one, for a whole total of about 2 weeks. Then got the wake up call of my life. At age 15 I was diagnosed with a heart condition as a result of a routine ECG following one of the more stupid things I've ever done (but if I hadn't done it, the outcome re heart wouldn't have been pretty) and at the time I was a state level rower - in one day I knew I wouldn't row again competitively in a long time (if ever - which hurt, as it was 1 week out from nationals) and I'd never smoke again. In the ages of 15-16 I had heart surgery 3 times, and was admitted to hospitals 17 times through the year.

Sex - I'm not against it. But I've also seen the results of too many of my friends who haven't been particularly responsible, nowadays, I see that its a lot more of a decision and big thing than I ever thought it was during earlier years.

Drugs - I don't care how much anyone says that they are in control, it won't develop any further, pot is safe and has no effects blah blah... again, expensive, and stupid IMO. I have very very little time for people who delve into the drug world and then complain about their problems. I've never used recreational drugs and can't see that changing. Having said that I am friends with people who do use them, that's their choice but I won't be mopping up for them if the consequences come to bite them.

That's my 2cents on all the issues. In disclosure, I work in a bottle shop and this probably does influence what I say on some things (re: alco and smoking primarily). I've seen the worst side of a lot of people. Underage binge drinking really really gets to me. We currently are having problems with older people coming in, purchasing, and then giving to kids who sit in the carpark, I don't just mean their older friends, we've seen middle aged business worker looking people supplying it. Rant over.

Seano. (Who is 21 btw).

[seano87]

Mate, this is Australia. Nothing is worth doing, if it's not being done with a beer in one hand.

There's a huge difference in having a beer in one hand, and drinking yourself into oblivion.

Unfortunately, I think its becoming more of out culture that people do drink to excess - a culture hardly helped by some of our - ahem - sporting role models, among others.

Seano

[Grover-98]

Seano. (Who is 21 btw).

:o...your not a teen :p...

But yes i think we all agree;

1. Drugs are terrible!
2. Smoking is not a smart choice, but some people do it and that is their choice.
3. Drinking is ok in moderation and at the legal age!
4. Sex is the same as drinking in moderation or with people you can trust.

Here is another one to chuck in the pot, how about speeding and various stupid stuff behind the wheel?

I live on a property so since the age of 12 i was doing all the thing like handbrake turns and stuff in the bush so i am over it now...but lests face it we all love out landys too much to risk harming them let alone ourselves :)...the stupidest things i do behind the wheel is drive over medium strips sometimes to get into side St's or drive straight over them small pointless roundabouts but i do neither of those when others are around :)

[seano87]

:o...your not a teen :p...


Pfft I'm not far past it. And besides, I'm only as old as I feel. Or act. Or add those two numbers together and I reckon I am probably still will come out as a teen :p

Those round bits of flat concrete in the middle of the road are roundabouts?? Oops. Nah... its not a roundabout unless there is something resembling vegetation in the middle :angel:

Seano

[mike 90 RR]

is that parents buy alcohol for them ...... and even buy smokes for them

What a interesting statement .... Childish Adult's, No brains, No idea, No self control

Mike
49

[Grover-98]

Those round bits of flat concrete in the middle of the road are roundabouts?? Oops. Nah... its not a roundabout unless there is something resembling vegetation in the middle :angel:

Seano

I here by set you a challenge. i have found Jesmond roundabout to be rather large so i have been known at night for a laugh to drive straight through it :D... i want you to get out and do this...if you get caught i don't exist!

:angel:

[wozapinin]

I grew up in a small country town and was taught to respect my elders and be seen and not heard. If anything this made me timid and afraid to ask questions. I boarded during my high school years and got no life advice and was still afraid to ask questions. I left school half way thru year 11 after getting an apprenticeship at age 14 and boarded at a lodge half filled with greylands outpatients and alcho's and started getting advice. Coming from the formentioned "adults", to say I left the rails is an understatement. The fact is you've got to be put on the rails and guided. Mainly from your parents but I think also from school teachers who spend a lot of time with the kids. I lost a few mates in the early days and there parents were nowhere to be seen, even at funerals. I've got a couple of young ones now and I just hope ( I don't pray) that they will turn out allright. I've taught them to speak to adults on even terms, politely, some will out and out ignore them but the kids understand that now and move on without getting upset. As for sex and drugs and rock n roll i say if they want to do it, they will, but it's better if they do it at home instead of doing it behind your back with unknowens. Still thats down the track for me and at the moment thier just happy to jump in the old landy and belt around the bush...man I'm glad to be alive:D:D:D

[seano87]

I here by set you a challenge. i have found Jesmond roundabout to be rather large so i have been known at night for a laugh to drive straight through it :D... i want you to get out and do this...if you get caught i don't exist!

:angel:

Oh dear. Well, seeing as I don't live in Newcastle, or quite as close as it to you and am rarely there at night, let alone late enough at night to not have many many people there to witness it, that is certainly one large challenge. However, if I do happen to find myself in suitable circumstances, it might just happen. I will of course have to get myself some red P-plates to adorn my vehicle, suitably covering registration details... typical P-plater I shall be :angel: Oh oh oh... do I get extra points if I do it in low range?

You are a dreadful influence on me. Bad James.

[Grover-98]

Oh dear. Well, seeing as I don't live in Newcastle, or quite as close as it to you and am rarely there at night, let alone late enough at night to not have many many people there to witness it, that is certainly one large challenge. However, if I do happen to find myself in suitable circumstances, it might just happen. I will of course have to get myself some red P-plates to adorn my vehicle, suitably covering registration details... typical P-plater I shall be :angel: Oh oh oh... do I get extra points if I do it in low range?

You are a dreadful influence on me. Bad James.

Extra points can only be earned if you do it in reverse with hazards flashing and honking your horn!

Im not a bad influence i am just...inspirational :p

[seano87]

Extra points can only be earned if you do it in reverse with hazards flashing and honking your horn!

Im not a bad influence i am just...inspirational :p

You'll give teenagers a bad reputation...

Inspirational? I can't really deny that one! ;)

[Grover-98]

You'll give teenagers a bad reputation...

Inspirational? I can't really deny that one! ;)

Ah we are allowed to have some safe fun aren't we...:angel:

[lambrover]

well its good to hear from some younger rover owners that are sensible, I am 28 now but when I was in my teens I moved out of home and lived on my own boat, this made me grow up in some areas but was detrimental in others as I started drinking and didn't stop untill early twentys, that life style of drinking is distructive and I made some poor decisions but when you hit the bottom you can only go up, I am now a mechanic in the Army and very happy. To the younger guys that have posted here thanks for being some one who gose against the constant barage of to be cool and have fun you have to get laid and be drunk, you should be proud of yourselves, you are more of a man to say no and get teased then to follow and be accepted, also said, It's a narrow road to righteousness but a wide one to destruction.

[Tote]

There's a huge difference in having a beer in one hand, and drinking yourself into oblivion.

Unfortunately, I think its becoming more of out culture that people do drink to excess - a culture hardly helped by some of our - ahem - sporting role models, among others.

Seano
I would debate that its becoming a greater part of our culture. I'm 44 and grew up in the 80s in Orange NSW. The only difference between young people now and those of my generation is that we had to be drunk by Midnight or all the pubs shut. Today there is always a camera ready to document someone's drunken indescretions, the biggest thing we had to worry about was not hitting anything whilst driving home. I didnt usually drink to excess but by the end of the night I'd probably had about 6 - 8 stubbies or a half bottle of Jack Daniels. These days that amount of alcohol is publicised as "Binge drinking".
My dad used to tell stories of the six o clock swill when all the pubs shut at 18:00 and the race was on to drink as many schooners as possible before closing time. When he got married he had an agreement with mum that he wouldnt have any more than 7 schooners after work before he came home.

I think that we are the victims of a media keen to make bad news of anything that sells ratings and that drunk footballers having group sex makes an excellent headline. There are some things that could be changed to reduce public drunkenness such as closing pubs at midnight and charging greater licence fees for nightclubs but I don't believe that Australian culture has fundamentally changed in the last 50 (or 100 if you read Banjo Patterson) years. And none of our politicians have the ticker to change licensing laws as that just might interrupt the income stream from the licensed venues.

Regards,
Tote

[Landy Smurf]

i hear where you are coming from but back in the day the awareness wasnt there anywhere near as much as what it is today and having seen young teenagers drunk first hand it isnt a pretty sight.but im pretty sure today teenagers thoughts about alcohol and drugs are alot different like for example my step mum use to smoke from14-19 and when i asked her why she said its just what people did but now it should be different how ever too many young people smoke and i can think of only reason for it and that is to be cool but personally if you are smoking just to be cool you are just cheating yourself in life but when i talk to some kids from school i say what are you doing this weekend this is there plan
friday get smashed
saturday get more smashed
sunday bum around getting over being smashed for the last two days
mainly this is my thoughts on things
alcohol sure if you drink in moderation or if celebrating(but dont get so drunk that you dont remember because that really is hardly celebrating if you cant remember it)
drugs no excuse for them i often hear people say oh yeah i only did it to try it which is stupid)
smoking there is no upside to it so why do it
ps my dad drinks not out of control though and he smokes
and my step dad is a regular at the clubs and often comes home drunk yelling and cursing at me and my mum so thats another reason for me not to do it, i dont want to be like him

[willem]

Mate, this is Australia. Nothing is worth doing, if it's not being done with a beer in one hand.

Get real! There's more to life than beer. I like a beer as much as anyone, but its not that important!

Willem

[stevo68]

Interesting one....I tend to support what Tote says on this one. I don't think that much has channged since I was a teenager 20+ yrs ago. We didn't get parents to buy us alcohol....we got an old drunk to get us what we needed in exchange for a long neck. I still remember being in the park at the Horden Pavilion waiting to go and see Mental As Anything.....mixing bacardi and coke in our mouths, swishing it together and down the hatch. We all got nailed....only one of us actually got to see the concert. We ( being myself and 2 of my best mates that I grew up together with) would have been around 17.

It has nothing to do with background/ upbringing etc as we all came from good homes, went to private schools and have all grown up to be successful in our various fields and with our own families. I have smoked pot, tried "E's" and had one trip on the light fantastic ( once was definately enough) though this was in my 20's. I was silly enough to start smoking around 18....and hopefully at 41 today....I have finally kicked the habit.

People will experiment......the kicker is that some of the things I did, I hope my own children don't.....but mind you I speak to them about these things...whereas that didnt happen so much when I was younger with my own parents. At the end of the day people will find their own path in life and they will...or won't learn from their mistakes.

Regards

Stevo

[XSiV]

I applaud your responsibility schmierer LR at singleton. I was a bit of a rogue when I was a teen, I drank way too much but never to the point of losing control/consciousness or not remembering what I did. However I did get pretty drunk at times and do some silly things.

I was always very careful in regards to sex as it has the ability to completely change your life in one moment of hormone induced passion and I wasn't ready to be a dad at that time. I had a couple of friends at school that fell pregnant at an early age and that spooked me a bit I guess.

I have tried most drugs although not until I was in my mid 20's. I have not gone anywhere near opiates (i.e. heroin) due to my fear of heavy addiction. I mostly tried the drugs to see what affect they had, to satisfy my curiosity and also so I could tell my kids why not to take drugs.

I smoked too much pot at one stage and I am still paying for it in subtle ways. My short term memory has been severely diminished by it and I also find that I struggle some times to recall the most simple of words. The misconception that pot is not bad is completely misguided.

I have friends that had major psychotic episodes from smoking pot and ended up in psych wards on medication and still aren't completely back to normal.

Another person I once knew regularly smoked pot, took some acid one day and then proceeded to attack his grandmother with an axe because, in his words he "thought she was the devil". He is now in maximum security psych institution charged with murder. He was not a friend but he was a friend of a friend.

Admittedly these people may have had a predisposition to mental illness but I also believe that had they not smoked pot it would have gone largely unnoticed.

I have seen too many friends go down the path of self destruction and even died due to drug and alcohol abuse. From heroin overdoses and addiction, to becoming complete psychopaths from taking too much ice. I have watched friends lose everything because of their speed addiction.

One friend totalled his car blind drunk, speeding (amphetamines and literally) off his head, and in turn wrote off about five other cars at an intersection. Luckily he didn't kill anyone but he did try to drive off in his almost destroyed xr8. He will be paying this off for the rest of his life. He was lucky to not go to prison, as due to his unblemished past he struck a deal to go to the army instead of prison and the judge thought that was a good idea.

All I can say is stay well away form so called soft drugs they mess with your head in subtle ways so as you don't realise it's happening until it's all too late. Drugs in most cases are harmless in moderation like alcohol, for most people, however there are some people whom from only one joint can have a complete psychotic episode and never quite recover. This is documented medical fact that I'm sure you can source.

My advice is, drink in moderation, enjoy safe sex but even then I would try and hold off for as long as possible until you meet the right person. It's only ever your first time once you should try and make it memorable as you will never forget it.

And last of all stay right away from drugs, and if you are curious as to their effects I am happy to talk to you more in-depth and even introduce you to some of these friends that have had drug induced incidents. Unfortunately some have died due to their experimentation and cannot share their story.

I would also suggest that if your step dad is coming home and being abusive towards you and your mother you might want to suggest to him that he get some help. Alcoholism is very destructive for both the alcoholic and the family and friends of the alcoholic. That is not acceptable behaviour and should not be tolerated at all. Generally it only gets worse. I have a friend who is a drug and alcohol councillor if you need some help as to how to approach the situation I'm sure she would be more than happy to offer advice.

That is my story, my name is Josh and I am a landrover addict.;)

[JohnF]

40 years ago when I was twenty I had a bit of a crush on a girl who drank, and went to a party with her and had a few. I was totally okay when I tleft to drive home, but for some reason the steering was playing up and I mounted the hump down the center of the road several times.. That is when I decided I shouls pull up and sleep it off, in the back of my VW station Wagon. This happened three times. After that I vowed never to get drunk again, and in the 40 years since have never been drunk once, because all I drink is fruit juice/water/ soft drink [occasionally], though a few times I drank de-alcoholised wine. I do not think I missed out on anything by not drinking, exept hangovers, etc.

[Newbs-IIA]

Get smashed friday night,
Get even more smashed on saturday,
Then sleep it off on sunday???

I don't know how people (specifically school kids) can do this. Don't they have a job?
I do 5 days a week at uni and work all weekend and thursday night at BCF - I have every opertunity to go out to party's on a saturday night but cannot drink because i don't want to risk loosing my license then next day driving to work after havin a few the night before. I have been brought up knowing that if i wanted something like a car or petrol for my car that i would have to earn it, and I did as shown by now having two registered cars plus another farm hack.
I was at a mates place on friday night last week as he was having a gatho (i wasn't drinking because i had work the next day at 8am) and all my mates were queing up to go for rides in my newely registered ex army IIA :D that was enough enjoyment for me haha

More often than not i am designated driver because of work constraints but those damn P-plate laws don't help as i can only drive one of my mates home after 11pm. I'm on 'green' Ps now so i think this doesn't apply to me anymore but it was an annoyance. I'm fine with being DD as long as people don't mind riding in a open top Series land rover bwhahahaha

Jack, 18

[XSiV]

Those new rules are another example of legislating to a minority of idiots and affecting the majority.

Love the HZ, my first car was a HG kingswood 253 V8

[Newbs-IIA]

Those new rules are another example of legislating to a minority of idiots and affecting the majority.

Love the HZ, my first car was a HG kingswood 253 V8
hahaha cheers mate, it's a great car 202 and 3-on-the-tree manual - gives me no problems, drove 5 bloke to school and back every day last year through peek hour and didn't even notice. Just rolled over 400,000kms and drives like it has done less than 100k couldn't speak more highly of a car

Would have liked a V8 though :( would have got a V8 kingy straight up if it wasnt for that law too...

[graceysdad]

hey i know that this has been on the news abit
but my friend and i have been talking about this for the last few years being in year 11 i have been/going through the party:twisted: stage drinking cars drugs and sex
and i cant understand why people mainly from the age of 14 want to go to a party just to get smashed(drunk real bad and quickly) and in my group that i sat with last year out of about 20 of us only 5 had not been stoned 2 have not been drunk and i was the only one who had not smoked before. i am all for going to peoples places and having a good time even if there is alcohol but going to a party to get smashed to me is one of the stupidest things luckily my best friend is on the same page as me on all this and what is worst is that parents buy alcohol for them(alot more than what they need) and even buy smokes for them i personly dont real care if you drink or smoke but not if your doing it just to look cool because at the and of the day it is quite the opposite i no there is alot more to be said so ill let you guys do a bit of it:)
ps im 17


As a dad of three urban terrorists I can understand you completely, my older boys whos 19 now is a binge drinker and just admittied hes been dropping pingers (eccys) his mood swings were incredible, he goes out every nite gets blotto comes home at all hours and sleeps until 3 in the arvo gets up and does it again, this ones a constant worry for us he doesnt want to do anything with his life and I am over it, my middle boy has really blazed a trail in his 17 years been to court 8 times in 2 years for various offences from touching up a minor to agg robbery and dui on first day of his Ps with a stack of other stuff in between he is my main worry as his little brother is 14 and watching all this go on,

I must give the baby credit he is sensible but getting curious now about things like booze drugs etc I watch him like a hawk, its all about being accepted by there peers, drinking, smoking, pingers, raves, clubs its aheavy scene for them these days, the generations have changed so much not like when I was a sprog, the house is constantly full of young thrill seekers and girls who shouldnt be wearing what they wear for the ages they are. I give lots of kudos to any teenager who can avoid this, it is far from cool to act like this but sadly i think theres bugger all we can do to prevent it but just hope they learn when there older what they have done to themselves, what a waste of money, if I had all the money I spent on booze and smokes back I would be rich, but thats life we blaze our own trail I guess, we all experimented, if you want an addiction by a Landy, if you want to be poor, buy a Landy, want to escape the world, buy a Landy you can spend your money on worse things like booze, drugs and all the other stuff.

I am not cool, never have been, never will be, I am not a gangster according to my kids and dont speak the lingo, dont do secret hand shakes with the bros and do those little manly hugs they do, cant stand the music, the attitudes, the lack of disrepsect to the older generations, dont like the fact I am really powerless to stop them following the bad trails, my boys use words like bro, bra, brew when there talking to the homies on the phone, I get up em and say a bro is your brother, women wear bras and a brew is a billy full of tea, dont care how old they are no skanks stay under my roof in boys rooms, that is a big disrespect to mum in my eyes, I never took girls home wont have it here, bring back nasho service, plonk them in the Army for 3 years and then turn them loose, couldnt hurt!, good on you Lad keep resisting and you will be fine, see where you are in 15 years time and see where your mates are, intersting to see the results.

[Landy Smurf]

yeah i dont like that rap ****ty crap music you cant hear what they say im a bit more old school in alot of ways like country music mainly slim dusty and a bit of smokey dawson of late.
one thing i find hard is to pick a career now i no everyone says do what you enjoy(in my case primary school teaching) but when you see people do trades getting paid along the way and end up getting paid more then what you do after paying to go to uni you just cant help feeling tempted to go after the big bucks but i would like to be a teacher and hopefully blend that with working on our family property since it has been in our family for 153 years(yay woo mineral rights) but you could easly send me back 150 years ago and would be happy with my horse and cart and bullocks
but you have to be realistic with your goals and cant be just looking at the money side all the time for example one of my friends he has turned up 7 days on time to school and when he is there he normally wags class and goes to maccas or smokes out the back and he wants to be a doctor or a dentists because they get paid alot this is a guy who didnt even get over 50% in one of his subjects last year

[Landy Smurf]

my advice to parents is dont give your kids money with out them earning it the majority of kids get part time jobs and i think that is a reely good way for them to value money alot kids that get money constantly given to them and alot of money spent on them will just think that when they finally go out and live by them selves that they can afford everything and will and up in debt within a couple of months
iam given a $5 allowance a week and have been done for the last 4 years now that doesnt seem like much but it does get me by a save it up for something i want and never let it get empty(i do get other money for birthdays xmas and from my scholarship) but when i was in year 3 kids said what are yo saving up for and i said a car and they all laughed at me but from saving up for about 7 years i have managed to buy a car(landy off course) and 3 project cars(also landys) with plenty left over and now i have a rapid saver account the best thing for young people so now i get about $50 a month in interest( USE TO BE $76 BUT BANKS DROPPED) i hope some of you parents take on board of what i have said because i think it is realy great advice.:)

[subasurf]

EDIT:
nevermind...

[lambrover]

gracesdad, do your kids work? how do they pay for the grog and phone bills? if they work are you making them pay board? you made a statement about national service you can't rely on the army or govermant to make men out of them, if thats what you want then make them pull there weight around the house and be respectfull to you and your wife and if they don't like it then they can find other accomidation, it's time for your boys to HTFU and take some responsibility, to me it sounds like you are to soft on them they want like it and they will carry on like little girls but to bad you have a responsability as a parent to make men out of them and not continue as boys into adulthood. this is a fairly confronting message and I sincerly do not mean to affend but understand if you feel that way.

[XSiV]

hahaha cheers mate, it's a great car 202 and 3-on-the-tree manual - gives me no problems, drove 5 bloke to school and back every day last year through peek hour and didn't even notice. Just rolled over 400,000kms and drives like it has done less than 100k couldn't speak more highly of a car

Would have liked a V8 though :( would have got a V8 kingy straight up if it wasnt for that law too...

Mine was a column shift tri-matic but I converted it to a manual with a 5 speed celica box, among many other mods.

[rovercare]

I smoked drugs and drank at 12, first leg at 15 and dabbled with many unhealthy habits, I still smoke when i drink and drink regularly....somewhat heavily some say, but always have a rational mind

I've seen some horrendous things, from other peoples doings, whilst, drunk or drugged and CHOOSE not to behave in an irrational manor, even when in these states

All in all, its made me who I am today, I also grew up in a supportive, decent home environment, never had an excuse, just a curious mind

Some people just go there own way, thankfully, I chose to do it sensibly:D

Well, kinda:angel:



Oh yea, I'm 25 going on 43:twisted:

[JDNSW]

I hesitated a bit to add to this thread - I am a bit past dealing with teenagers, although I will have a teenage grand daughter in two years! But we raised two boys. Both managed to survive their teenage years without very major problems, although the results were different.

The older one was, and still is a reasonably frequent and worryingly heavy drinker, and I know he used drugs as a teenage, although I do not believe he has since. Married, steady job, owns house. Smoked from early teens to about thirty. Sex, pretty certain started about 16, sequence of girlfriends. Very much a party animal. University graduate, but not in anything very useful.

The younger one, got drunk as a young teen - once! Decided he would never do that again, and as far as I know never has. Drinks, but very rarely. Started smoking about twelve, stopped when he was thirteen or fourteen. First girlfriend when he was 16, married her when he was 20, been married for sixteen years, three kids, lost another one shortly after birth. Own home, steady job. Despite brain damage resulting in attending special education school, completed university and is a librarian.

We were always very open with the boys and they discussed anything with us. Older one when he came home from a party (after he had his own car mostly) would come into our bedroom to tell us what he had been up to - which could be a pain at 3am on a workday, although mostly it was a Saturday or Sunday, but this is the sort of thing that kept communication open!

In my own case, I was a teenager in the fifties - a very different world compared to today. Although my parents were relatively well off, they had gone through the depression, and were very careful with money. Another difference compared to most, is that I am a twin, so we always had company and made much of our own entertainment.

John

[subasurf]

We were always very open with the boys and they discussed anything with us. Older one when he came home from a party (after he had his own car mostly) would come into our bedroom to tell us what he had been up to - which could be a pain at 3am on a workday, although mostly it was a Saturday or Sunday, but this is the sort of thing that kept communication open!

John

^^ THIS ^^
This is the most important thing in helping prevent teens from going to far off the rails.

To the OP who started this thread:
You can keep crapping on about how your a model teenager who doesn't drink or smoke or do drugs and hates modern music and how you think you have good advice for parents about telling them how to handle their teen's financial situation blah blah blah snore...sleep. The most important thing, for any teenager (whether they realise it or not) is to have an open dialogue with their parents. Talking to your teens with respect (sometimes parents need to earn a little respect as much as their kids do; parents can't just demand it) is the best thing you can do...when teens respect their parents it's easier to respect what they say and what rules they have.

I mean, bloody fell. I'd be dissapointed if my teenage kids went through their teen years without getting drunk at a raving party at least a few times. Teens need this. It's all part of life's lesson. Sure, there is far more to being a teen than partying, shagging (I'm still kicking myself for not doing more of this while in school), getting high etc but it's all part of growing up. If my kids decide not to do any of it, then fine, but I'm not going to restrict them and say "No means no!" to the point that they lose respect for me. If they go and get ****ed, sure, I want to know about it, but it doesn't mean I'll be angry. If they decide (when they are a bit older) that they are going to start having sex then fine. So long as they keep it clean and safe. I'd rather know about it than have my kids so afraid of talking to me that they don't even know what to do.

Long story short, OP, please stop going on and on...
PS: 100 bucks says you'll have hardly any interesting life stories to tell later in life if you keep living in a bubble.

the end.

[rovercare]

^^ THIS ^^
This is the most important thing in helping prevent teens from going to far off the rails.

To the OP who started this thread:
You can keep crapping on about how your a model teenager who doesn't drink or smoke or do drugs and hates modern music and how you think you have good advice for parents about telling them how to handle their teen's financial situation blah blah blah snore...sleep. The most important thing, for any teenager (whether they realise it or not) is to have an open dialogue with their parents. Talking to your teens with respect (sometimes parents need to earn a little respect as much as their kids do; parents can't just demand it) is the best thing you can do...when teens respect their parents it's easier to respect what they say and what rules they have.

I mean, bloody fell. I'd be dissapointed if my teenage kids went through their teen years without getting drunk at a raving party at least a few times. Teens need this. It's all part of life's lesson. Sure, there is far more to being a teen than partying, shagging (I'm still kicking myself for not doing more of this while in school), getting high etc but it's all part of growing up. If my kids decide not to do any of it, then fine, but I'm not going to restrict them and say "No means no!" to the point that they lose respect for me. If they go and get ****ed, sure, I want to know about it, but it doesn't mean I'll be angry. If they decide (when they are a bit older) that they are going to start having sex then fine. So long as they keep it clean and safe. I'd rather know about it than have my kids so afraid of talking to me that they don't even know what to do.

Long story short, OP, please stop going on and on...
PS: 100 bucks says you'll have hardly any interesting life stories to tell later in life if you keep living in a bubble.

the end.

Wow:eek:

I have to agree, I told my father what I was doing, generally when I'd done it, he knew I was smoking drugs, and drinking, probably not to the extent I was:angel:, but still, it was good being able to talk openlyish about it, gave me alot more rational thinking about it all

Could he of stopped it? hell no

But knowing there was always someone there if it turned to ****, was much better than being scared of something going bad and relying on someone who shouldn't

I wouldn;t flame the boy for being proud of being sensible, good on him:)

But I wouldn;t disregard all those that choose to do these things as sometimes they grow to be good people

And well, yea, I got alot of "interesting" stories from doing bad stuff, some are definately not to be proud of, but still, entertaining none the less:D



Ironic thing was, I NEVER smoked a cigarette infront of my old man, till my 18th Birthday, I always said I'd pull a cone infront of him when I was young before smoking cigarettes infront of him, the ONLY thing he said not to do was smoke.....but I did it anyway:(

[B92 8NW]

I've never discussed what I do/have done with my parents. It is not because there has been a lack of openness or communication. I've just never said and they've never pressed me.

I prefer it this way. I'd sooner die if they knew about some things.

[subasurf]

I've never discussed what I do/have done with my parents. It is not because there has been a lack of openness or communication. I've just never said and they've never pressed me.


That's totally fine, so long as the option was always there. So many parents these days don't leave the door open for kids to talk to them in a safe environment.

[Landy Smurf]

^^ THIS ^^
This is the most important thing in helping prevent teens from going to far off the rails.

To the OP who started this thread:
You can keep crapping on about how your a model teenager who doesn't drink or smoke or do drugs and hates modern music and how you think you have good advice for parents about telling them how to handle their teen's financial situation blah blah blah snore...sleep. The most important thing, for any teenager (whether they realise it or not) is to have an open dialogue with their parents. Talking to your teens with respect (sometimes parents need to earn a little respect as much as their kids do; parents can't just demand it) is the best thing you can do...when teens respect their parents it's easier to respect what they say and what rules they have.

I mean, bloody fell. I'd be dissapointed if my teenage kids went through their teen years without getting drunk at a raving party at least a few times. Teens need this. It's all part of life's lesson. Sure, there is far more to being a teen than partying, shagging (I'm still kicking myself for not doing more of this while in school), getting high etc but it's all part of growing up. If my kids decide not to do any of it, then fine, but I'm not going to restrict them and say "No means no!" to the point that they lose respect for me. If they go and get ****ed, sure, I want to know about it, but it doesn't mean I'll be angry. If they decide (when they are a bit older) that they are going to start having sex then fine. So long as they keep it clean and safe. I'd rather know about it than have my kids so afraid of talking to me that they don't even know what to do.

Long story short, OP, please stop going on and on...
PS: 100 bucks says you'll have hardly any interesting life stories to tell later in life if you keep living in a bubble.

the end.
settle down mate im not saying look at me im the bloody best i was talking about teenagers doing these things excessively and i do have stories to tell and i would sooner tell them good stories then telling them about me getting pist or getting or shagging girls and some peoples family background are different for example mine i told my grandparents that my dad smokes he is 46 started when he was 17 and she didnt no and my family is the kind that if they found out they you did drugs they would be shame shame for a very long time

[lambrover]

subasurf, You taking the **** out of the young fella is bloody rude mate, he has seen the effects of to much grog at home and he dosn't care for it. he has seen the effects of drugs sex and says that is not for me.

You sound like you just lack balls to be a parent and can't make decisions or dicipline your child. Children need to be loved and diciplined but most parents these days don't dicipline affectivly eg; little kid screaming at shop, you say no, kid still screams nags, you continue saying no untill you snap and you abuse the kid verbally and you smack them way to hard, You have lost control and thats abuse, Now if you had said no from the start then smacked them the next time they asked you, you remain in control and you don't loose your temper, dicipline needs to be consitant from a young age then when they get older they respect your position as the parent.

[subasurf]

subasurf, You taking the **** out of the young fella is bloody rude mate, he has seen the effects of to much grog at home and he dosn't care for it. he has seen the effects of drugs sex and says that is not for me.

And that's fine...I wasn't taking the **** out of his life choices, just taking the **** out of the fact he wont shutup about it. Nothing even prompted this thread except the OP wanting to let everyone know how he is so not like those dirty filthy teens. Maybe I should start a thread about how I'm Christian and how good I am and how that makes me so much better off than everyone else who isn't...let's see how long that would last before I got called out to STFU. *NOTE* I am not really that Christian and I don't think that...it's just an example.



You sound like you just lack balls to be a parent and can't make decisions or dicipline your child. Children need to be loved and diciplined but most parents these days don't dicipline affectivly eg; little kid screaming at shop, you say no, kid still screams nags, you continue saying no untill you snap and you abuse the kid verbally and you smack them way to hard, You have lost control and thats abuse, Now if you had said no from the start then smacked them the next time they asked you, you remain in control and you don't loose your temper, dicipline needs to be consitant from a young age then when they get older they respect your position as the parent.

Couldn't agree more. I'm not a parent mate. Never said I was...but when I am, you better believe my kids will be forced the pull their heads in or suffer the consequences. I'm all for discipline mate, I really am but I don't think hard but fair discipline is the only answer to keep your kids from going off the rails.

Anyhoo, you're right, it was kind of rude for me to attack the kid. I stand by my point, but I suppose I should have kept it to myself. I'll cop that one on the chin and keep it to myself ;)

[lambrover]

cool mate I can see your point

[subasurf]

sweet as. Here, have a beer. :twobeers::beer:

:D

[Landy Smurf]

by the way it didnt come from nowhere and im definetly not trying to say how good i am.in the last week of school 2 guys in my year have turned up to school stoned one guy drank a whole bottle of vodka and there is a party coming up next weekend and just to get a few things clear
1.yes i gave advive but thats what advice is for you can take it or leave it
2.im not saying im the best and if anyone drinks smokes or takes drugs they are worse then what i am
3.and im not 1 in a million that doesnt drink smoke or take drugs theres plenty
4.the whole point of this thing was to see what other peoples opinion on the way teenagers act because i have noticed things getting worse where i am it seems that some laws just mean nothing to some people

[subasurf]

:rolleyes::wallbash::Thump:

So what if someone rocked up stoned. So what if someone drank a bottle of vodka. So what if there is a party. It's been like that for years.

Here's a rundown of your first original post:

Teens are crap. Have you seen how bad they are?!!? But me and my friend are not like that. We're better. The end.

[Landy Smurf]

obviously you dont understand what i said
and maybe you should re read that original post but in case you dont il give you the rundown
i dont no why people get smashed for no point.you can have fun without alcohol smokes and drugs.lucky my friend is on the same page as me(so i can discuss these things with him).anyone else want to say something about it go for it

[B92 8NW]

With the exception of their schooling, high school kids are basically under very little obligation to do anything. They usually have no bills they are obliged to pay, careers to devote themselves to, concerns about the cost of living, etc. As dependants their existence is almost purely hedonic. Thoughts about the future rarely extend beyond next week. Surely it doesn't need to be stated that alcohol, drugs and sex giveth man great pleasure...

Yeah, it would be great if we could all simply do what gives us satisfaction, but in the real world we're required to act because it might be the right thing to do, because there is no one else to do it for us, because of moral/financial/political/social/legal obligations, or because it isn't significantly inconsequential.

I hope that helps answer the original question, but it is my thoughts only.

[abaddonxi]

With the exception of their schooling, high school kids are basically under very little obligation to do anything. They usually have no bills they are obliged to pay, careers to devote themselves to, concerns about the cost of living, etc. As dependants their existence is almost purely hedonic. Thoughts about the future rarely extend beyond next week. Surely it doesn't need to be stated that alcohol, drugs and sex giveth man great pleasure...

Yeah, it would be great if we could all simply do what gives us satisfaction, but in the real world we're required to act because it might be the right thing to do, because there is no one else to do it for us, because of moral/financial/political/social/legal obligations, or because it isn't significantly inconsequential.

I hope that helps answer the original question, but it is my thoughts only.

You young whippersnappers have it so easy. When I was in high school I worked a fulltime job and had to wear eighties clothes.


:D:D

Simon

[Landy Smurf]

i feel for you having to wear eighties clothes:p what was your job?

[abaddonxi]

I worked in and sometimes managed an all-night cafe.

10-12 hour shifts, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Oh to be young again and not need to sleep.

Simon

[Landy Smurf]

that must of knocked you around abit
i love sleep

[JohnF]

It is a medical fact that just one standard glass of alcohol changes the way your brain function for a whole week. This has been shown by MRI scans. Also just one glass of alcohol causes the foetus of a pegnant woman to go into uncontrollable convulsions for a whole week. And mum thinks these uncontrollable convulsions are the baby kicking. One glass by the pegnant mother can cause foetal Alcohol syndrome, which makes that child inferior mentally for its whole life. These are proven medical facts, proven by medical science.
So drink if you want, its a free country, but know the effects of your lifestyle choices. As I said in a earlier post I drank a few times, so I am not any different.

[rovercare]

It is a medical fact that just one standard glass of alcohol changes the way your brain function for a whole week. This has been shown by MRI scans. Also just one glass of alcohol causes the foetus of a pegnant woman to go into uncontrollable convulsions for a whole week. And mum thinks these uncontrollable convulsions are the baby kicking. One glass by the pegnant mother can cause foetal Alcohol syndrome, which makes that child inferior mentally for its whole life. These are proven medical facts, proven by medical science.
So drink if you want, its a free country, but know the effects of your lifestyle choices. As I said in a earlier post I drank a few times, so I am not any different.


****, I'd hate to know who my brain really is, I haven't NOT drunk for over a week in years:eek:

I don't think I wanna meet him anyway:twisted:

[Tote]

It is a medical fact that just one standard glass of alcohol changes the way your brain function for a whole week. This has been shown by MRI scans. Also just one glass of alcohol causes the foetus of a pegnant woman to go into uncontrollable convulsions for a whole week. And mum thinks these uncontrollable convulsions are the baby kicking. One glass by the pegnant mother can cause foetal Alcohol syndrome, which makes that child inferior mentally for its whole life. These are proven medical facts, proven by medical science.
So drink if you want, its a free country, but know the effects of your lifestyle choices. As I said in a earlier post I drank a few times, so I am not any different.

Can you please supply references for these claims. Whilst I dont necessarily believe drinking whilst pregnant is good for you I find it hard to believe that it is a medical fact that one glass of alcohol sends the foetus into convulsions. If as you state thses are proven medical facts it should be easy to find a reputable study on the net to back them up.

Regards,
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Regards,
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[subasurf]

Yeah, it sounded like a load of crap to me.