Door Mirror, where is this one from? Replacement?

[Hebe]

Hi,

To get a roadworthy I need to replace my cracked door mirror. (see pictures below) But I am not sure if this is original (I think not) and where I could get a replacement?

The style seems to fit, is this maybe a series 2 or 3 mirror?

Anyone know where to find a door mirror that would fit/suit a series 1?

Thanks,

More info: Tagged - Hebe (Land Rover Series 1, 1958)'s Profile (http://www.tagged.com/landrover1958)

http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Hebe_Door_Mirror.jpg
http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Hebe_Door_Mirror2.jpg
http://www.familyveen.com/LRS1/Hebe_Door_Mirror3.jpg

[d@rk51d3]

If all else fails, could a glazier re-set a new bit of glass?

[101RRS]

Series 1s did not have door mirrors as standard - they only had mirrors on the mudguards. However it was common to have aftermarket mirrors fitted to the windscreen surround.

What you have was not original so any old mirror can go there.

See the attached link to series 1 brochures that will probably provide answers to the many questions you have on what was and what was not original. If you click on the relevant brochures you will see things such as rearvision mirrors, tail lights, dash boards etc.

series I (http://www.landrover.vlothuizen.nl/show/model-seriesI.html)

Cheers

Garry

[JDNSW]

As Garry says - that mirror is not off any Series Landrover, or indeed off any Landrover. Door mirrors, in fact any outside mirror were not standard on Series 1. The only external mirror available as a Landrover accessory was a circular convex mirror mounted on the mudguard. I would only fit one of them if I was a stickler for historical accuracy, and you would probably find something pretty close in a motorbike shop, except you would most likely have to paint the chrome black. (No Series Landrover has ever had any chrome, except possibly for some badges)

These mudguard mirrors provide an inadequate rear view for modern traffic, and are easily broken in the bush, and what is worse, tend to tear out of the mudguard when you are pushing through scrub. I speak from experience, I had them on my Series 1 and Series 2 in the 1960s. I probably still have a broken one somewhere!

As Garry says - find an aftermarket mirror that will mount where that one is.

John

[series1buff]

John stole my glory !!!

Yes motorbike shops or pushbike shops are where you will find those old style rear vision mirrors. :D And M/bike shops usually stock 6Volt components too, like flasher cans and globes ( not needed for us but many other restorers do need ) , the last bastion as all of the old VW beetle suppliers stock has all gone. Mike

[easo]

Great, just added another job to my 'get the old girl on the road' list. Check out the top of your mud guards at the front you might all ready have a hole for guard mounted mirrors.

Easo

[JDNSW]

Great, just added another job to my 'get the old girl on the road' list. Check out the top of your mud guards at the front you might all ready have a hole for guard mounted mirrors.

Easo

Unless patched there will certainly be a hole, probably with a bolt blocking it.

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Series 1s did not have door mirrors as standard - they only had mirrors on the mudguards. That is not actually true. The position of the mirror depended on the market.

It you look at the windscreen on the 80" you will see a triangular piece of plate where the door top hinges are. The bottom two holes are for the hinge fitting the top larger hole is for the mirror.

Take a look at this pic of an RACQ road service vehicle taken in about 1950 and you can clearly see the A pillar mirror and nothing on the mudguard.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/1080.jpg

[Grockle]

The mirror was originaly fitted to the wing but the bulkhead mounted side light reflected in it,so it was moved to windscreen mount.

[JDNSW]

That is not actually true. The position of the mirror depended on the market.

It you look at the windscreen on the 80" you will see a triangular piece of plate where the door top hinges are. The bottom two holes are for the hinge fitting the top larger hole is for the mirror.

Take a look at this pic of an RACQ road service vehicle taken in about 1950 and you can clearly see the A pillar mirror and nothing on the mudguard.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/1080.jpg

Interesting - I have never seen anything resembling this, and a quick check of contemporary Series photos showed only mudguard mirrors with one interesting exception - HUE166 in a probably mid sixties photo in Robson's book. This shows a mirror similar to the one in the RACQ picture, but it is not mounted in the hole you suggest, but is clipped to the edge of the door, higher up. It sounds very unlikely that if the one in the RACQ picture were a standard accessory, that it would not have been fitted to such an historic vehicle, although there is just a possibility it may have appeared later.

Nothing to do with the mirror, but those who did not live through them may be interested in the old type Qld number plate. Note that it extended beyond the edge of the body. It was not legal to have the number split into two lines, and I am also doubtful whether it was legal to have the Q on a separate line. But things were a bit more loose round the edges then. The most interesting feature is that front number plates were not required. The plates were not supplied by the government, but you got them made by a private plate maker, so they came in several different types.

John

[chazza]

Nothing to do with mirrors but I notice that the RACQ Rover has no door buffers on the front wing, same as my 80".

[101RRS]

Have a look at the brochure link I posted a couple of posts back - looks like the early 80s did not have any mirrors at all. Later 80s introduced "wing" mirrors that carried on through the models. None of the series 1 brochures show mirrors except on the wings - except a brochure for a pump where the vehicle does have an A pillar mirror.

I suspect the mirror on the RACQ vehicle and on other series 1s were something like dealer options or aftermarket.

This 80 brochure does not have mirrors or door bump stops
the Land Rover with all-weather equipment (http://www.landrover.vlothuizen.nl/show/list/1002-1.html)

[Lost Landy]

The first of the 80" Land Rovers didnt have wing mounted mirrors as Rover found out they reflected the the firewall mounted park light at night.
I think when they moved the park light to the front of the wing is when they mounted the mirror on the wing tops.

[JDNSW]

Actually, to put this in perspective - outside mirrors were quite rare in the 1940s and 50s except on trucks, and not by any means universal on them - I think that the Series 1 Landrover I bought in 1962 was the first vehicle I had ever driven with an outside mirror!

John

[series1buff]

Nothing to do with the mirror, but those who did not live through them may be interested in the old type Qld number plate. John

I believe in the Q plate days , the plate was only required on the rear of the vehicle ..no front plate was fitted .. is that correct ?

The broken down car looks like a Morris 8 tourer .

talking of number plate history ..try this link

Vehicle registration plates of Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mike

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I believe in the Q plate days , the plate was only required on the rear of the vehicle ..no front plate was fitted .. is that correct ?
That's correct Mike, in fact articles in the RACQ's own publications reveal that it was actively lobbying against having plates on the front.

Diana


Have a look at the brochure link I posted a couple of posts back - looks like the early 80s did not have any mirrors at all. Later 80s introduced "wing" mirrors that carried on through the models. None of the series 1 brochures show mirrors except on the wings - except a brochure for a pump where the vehicle does have an A pillar mirror.

I suspect the mirror on the RACQ vehicle and on other series 1s were something like dealer options or aftermarket.

Korean War Britt Army 80"

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/07/861.jpg

1949 Model on the Snowy Mountains Scheme 1950

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/06/1582.jpg

Pre-production car number 2 at Rover Factory

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/03/959.jpg

[chazza]

A huge thank you to Lost landy and to Diana for pointing this out to me. :D

I have decided now to weld up the holes in the wings and fit two mirrors to the windscreen when it becomes time to get on with the bodywork.

On the subject of wing mounting, there is considerable analytical corrosion around the holes on my car (up to a diameter of about 25mm). Anyone considering fitting steel ones on to aluminium, needs to separate the two metals with a film of rubber or plastic,

Cheers Charlie