registration stickers scrapped

[Chucaro]

in WA, that is a very good idea and a save of few dollars that will be good for other purposes...........radar traps:angel: :D:D

The news are HERE (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25456826-5005961,00.html)

[dullbird]

that's got to be better for the environment.....good move I say as long as you can still provide proof to a prospective buyer that you have rego. I'm assuming that you should get a receipt that you can do that with

[pop058]

one would imagine you would still get rego papers as proof of payment. They may just not have the sticky bit on them.

Paul

[Chucaro]

Bugger with my english...I am :confused:

They say....
....bid to save $2 million over four years in printing and postage costs,.........

and then

”People will still be sent an account to pay their registration but they will no longer be required to display registration stickers,”

Where is the saving in postage :eek:

[MickS]

I hope they do it in NSW. I put my new rego sticker on Basil, the series II the other day, and it fell off within 15 minutes. Now stuck on with sticky tape.

The highway patrol in NSW, and possibly elsewhere, have the automatic number place recognition system. Detects unregistered/uninsured cars within seconds.

No doubt, as well as being able to receive your rego papers by mail, you could elect to have them sent electronically, thus saving postage costs.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So now the local councils will have to issue all the parking Regulations Officers telecommunications devices to know when a car is registered and to know what tickets to issue. So what one branch of government will save on will be spent ten fold acquiring and maintaining the technology by another level of government.

Real savings for us taxpayers there. :mad:

Diana

[MickS]

Doubt it. They only dish out parking blisters. If a car displays an expiredregistration label, does not mean the car is unregistered. Regardless, with on-line renewal, no stamp or imprint is affixed to the label. So the shonks could just peel the label off, stick it on, and go about driving. They wouldn't look twice. Council rangers don't have access to the RTA (NSW) for rego checks AFAIK - if they did, it would be like letting loose a kid in a candy shop with some of the belters I've seen issuing pills.

Most unregistered/unisnsured vehicles are detected whilst being driven. Funnily enough, a lot of those are company directors etc in their BMW's or Mercs, who are blissfully unaware that their personal assitant forgot to renew the registration the week before...:Rolling:
The next are usually those who couldn't care less about the consequences, and are driving disqualified anyway. I dare say, in the economic times, there will be more and more unregistered vehicles on the road.


So now the local councils will have to issue all the parking Regulations Officers telecommunications devices to know when a car is registered and to know what tickets to issue. So what one branch of government will save on will be spent ten fold acquiring and maintaining the technology by another level of government.

Real savings for us taxpayers there. :mad:

Diana

[dullbird]

not me re rego'd mine this evening ;):)

[350RRC]

Hi,

Can someone please organize a poll and new thread:

Was Chucaro conceived in a LR and which Series?

cheers, DL :p

[MickS]

Hi,

Can someone please organize a poll and new thread:

Was Chucaro conceived in a LR and which Series?

cheers, DL :p

Over to you :p

[Bigbjorn]

For some years now in Qld. they have posted the rego. sticker to the address of record. Stickers are not issued over the counter. Why? Camera fines! No sense posting a fine to a false or a non-existent address. Likewise for some years here you have had to provide proof of identity to register a vehicle. Once upon a time you could go to a Main Roads office, country court house, or government agent, think of a name and address and walk away with plates, certificate, and sticker, no questions asked, no worries .

WA must still have been using dark ages stickers if they had to be scraped off. 1950's decalcomania stuff. Lift a corner on ours with a fingernail and they peel off.

[cucinadio]

"license and registration please" !!.......:D

cheers

[LandyAndy]

Rego proof is now redundant.They type the plate number/MDL info into the computer,all is revealed on the side of the road.Assuming they have 3G coverage!!!!
Andrew

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Doubt it. They only dish out parking blisters. If a car displays an expiredregistration label, does not mean the car is unregistered.
<snip>
Most unregistered/unisnsured vehicles are detected whilst being driven. Funnily enough, a lot of those are company directors etc in their BMW's or Mercs, who are blissfully unaware that their personal assitant forgot to renew the registration the week before...:Rolling:
The next are usually those who couldn't care less about the consequences, and are driving disqualified anyway. I dare say, in the economic times, there will be more and more unregistered vehicles on the road.You haven't met the Parking Regulations Officers for South Sydney Council.

They regularly issue parking infringement notices to vehicles for failure to display registration label and parking an unregistered vehicle on a public street.

They don't actually care if you haven't put the new sticker on, as it is an offence not to display the current registration label, it is also an offence to display an expired label on a registered vehicle and it is an offence to park an unregistered vehicle on a public street. What is more it will cost you more to fight it in court than the fine so the council collects what ever way you want to play it.

[subasurf]

Bugger with my english...I am :confused:

They say....
....bid to save $2 million over four years in printing and postage costs,.........

and then

”People will still be sent an account to pay their registration but they will no longer be required to display registration stickers,”

Where is the saving in postage :eek:


Traditionally you receive an notice in the mail requesting that you pay by a due date. When you pay you are the sent another item which contains your sticker. By not sending the sticker they, in theory, can reduce the postage costs by half.

[MickS]

You haven't met the Parking Regulations Officers for South Sydney Council.

They regularly issue parking infringement notices to vehicles for failure to display registration label and parking an unregistered vehicle on a public street.

They don't actually care if you haven't put the new sticker on, as it is an offence not to display the current registration label, it is also an offence to display an expired label on a registered vehicle and it is an offence to park an unregistered vehicle on a public street. What is more it will cost you more to fight it in court than the fine so the council collects what ever way you want to play it.

Rangers are responsible for on- street parking, local ordinance and environmental issues, among other things. They don't have access to the RTA/Police system, so I don't know how they would know a car is unregistered if it's locked and unattended with plates on. I'm quite aware that it is an offence to display expired labels etc., but if an unregistered car is parked on the street or road related area, unless it is stolen, the police remove the plates, book them up at the station in the misc. property book and eventually return them to the RTA. They then call the rangers, who slap a big sticker on the car, giving the owner 21 days to remove it. If not, the council remove and usually auction the vehicle in the local paper. Obviously, if it's on a clearway or transit lane, it's towed around the corner. Remember, an unregistered car is an uninsured car (CTP) and they go hand in hand which equates to over $900 in fines. Then there are fines for owner permit etc...

Council doesn't collect - the state debt recovery office (SDRO) i.e. the state government do.

[JDNSW]

..........Lift a corner on ours with a fingernail and they peel off.

Or park it in the sun for a couple of months and it either peels off without the fingernail or becomes a permanent part of the window. (seems to depend which contractor supplied the labels this year)

John

[isuzurover]

Unusual to see WA leading the way for once!!!

I think this is a good idea. Especially since WA doesn't allow rego labels to be fitted to passenger side windows (and there are a LOT of gravel roads and road trains...)

Diana - I can't see how you can be irate as a taxpayer when it doesn't affect you. Btw - I have never seen an unregistered vehicle get a (council) ticket in Perth. I think the councils have better things to do.




WA must still have been using dark ages stickers if they had to be scraped off. 1950's decalcomania stuff. Lift a corner on ours with a fingernail and they peel off.

Stickers are the same type (water-based adhesive) as other states. Easy to remove, but there is no requirement to remove expired stickers here.

[JDNSW]

....

Stickers are the same type (water-based adhesive) as other states. Easy to remove, but there is no requirement to remove expired stickers here.

?? NSW has not had water based adhesive labels for at least fifteen years. They use a contact type adhesive that is definitely not water based. And your new one comes with warnings about leaving old ones on - I cannot see how this is a problem unless there are so many on your windscreen they block your view!

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Rangers are responsible for on- street parking, local ordinance and environmental issues, among other things. They don't have access to the RTA/Police system, so I don't know how they would know a car is unregistered if it's locked and unattended with plates on.
<snip>
Council doesn't collect - the state debt recovery office (SDRO) i.e. the state government do.This the issue at the centre of this thread.

Council parking officers only have access to a vehicle's status via it's registration label. What they look for are it's registered state (current or out of date) and for loading zones whether the vehicle is commercial or private registration.

As you say, they do indeed enforce local ordinances and parking an unregistered vehicle on a public street is a breach of local ordinance. Furthermore don't try to tell me that they don't fine people for unregistered vehicles as it happened to me in Darlinghurst (Sth. Sydney Council) because I had not applied my new sticker a week after the due date.

You are correct, the SDRO do collect the monies and they return the revenue less an administration fee to the issuing authority. This can be the local Council, the NSW Police or even a Public Hospital if they issue an infringement on the Hospital campus. If this wasn't the situation there would be no incentive for the councils to employ parking officers.

Diana :)

[DiscoDan]

I think this is a step forward and hope Qld follows suit. I have my sticker on the cargo area LH window, would be on the rear door but the kids tend to pick at it. Only had one cop look for it and when I pointed it out he nodded approval (licence and rego check in Warwick. I didn't do anything wrong Honest;))

As for stickers on the windscreen, they tend to annoy me:( Back windows are not that bad.

But as stated, the cops know before they pull you over, whether or not your car is registered and to who.

[MickS]

This the issue at the centre of this thread.

Council parking officers only have access to a vehicle's status via it's registration label. What they look for are it's registered state (current or out of date) and for loading zones whether the vehicle is commercial or private registration.

As you say, they do indeed enforce local ordinances and parking an unregistered vehicle on a public street is a breach of local ordinance. Furthermore don't try to tell me that they don't fine people for unregistered vehicles as it happened to me in Darlinghurst (Sth. Sydney Council) because I had not applied my new sticker a week after the due date.

You are correct, the SDRO do collect the monies and they return the revenue less an administration fee to the issuing authority. This can be the local Council, the NSW Police or even a Public Hospital if they issue an infringement on the Hospital campus. If this was the situation there would be no incentive for the councils to employ parking officers.

Diana :)

Yawn :angel:

[Bigbjorn]

Brisbane City Council by-laws provide for a fine of $150 for parking an unregistered vehicle on a road under council's jurisdiction. Furthermore, a fine of $150 if the vehicle is being offered for sale on a public road. If the vehicle being offered for sale is registered and does not have the required copy of the Safety Certificate attached, the nice council officer notifies Qld. Transport who also levy a fine.

[digger]

how about this tho....


"obligation is on the driver of any vehicle (includes riding and or towing) he/she must ensure the vehicle is correctly registered and insured before driving said vehicle on a road or road related area.."

so how do you check that trailer to make sure its registered when you borrow it from your mate forgetful 'fred' down the street?

what if BP hasnt renewed one trailer rego and its that one that you hire?

what if you are part of a large company that has lots of vehicles...how do you check qickly before leaving?....

and lastly, its a useful tool in vehicle inspections... we often have VLADS here (vehicle (registration/stolen etc), (drivers) licence and defect stations)

when the car pulls up someone rbt/drug tests driver, checks licence ("can I see your licence please driver?") someone else walks around car, checks tyres, lights etcetc and rego label. If expired, missing or doesnt correspond with plates, car pulled to one side to sort it out...


lastly I think ts funny most states already have or are moving to legislation the requires you to carry your photograhic drivers licence when driving so it can be produced on request.....on this same basis, drivers licences arent required anymore because checks can just be made on a radio.....

(so we take the d/l away.....try to prove who you are now to get 100 points, the d/l is the first thing out of the blocks.....)


I think its actually a disservice ...and for the money being charged for rego etc, a stamp and a sticker are a pretty cheap component....i have a feeling they wont be dropping the rego price any significant amount???


cheers
digger

[Disco Keith]

My dad was driving on the approach road to the airport in Perth and noticed that a new type of camera was being used (and that there was six coppers standing around it). When my dad got to the airport he asked a copper there about the camera as it doesn't look the same as the usual multinova and the copper mentioned that the camera read the number plates.

I've seen some of the police show from the UK that showed the police over there using the cameras to identify people with cars that had expired tax discs or had to failed to renew their insurance.

[nice1guv]

Well I don't like it!

What am I going to use to cover the chip in the windscreen now? :mad:

[Scouse]

Well I don't like it!

What am I going to use to cover the chip in the windscreen now? :mad:An AULRO sticker will cover it nicely :p.

[Panda]

:Rolling::Rolling:


Hi,

Can someone please organize a poll and new thread:

Was Chucaro conceived in a LR and which Series?

cheers, DL :p

[Panda]

sticky tape ... this I gotta see! It's not the Christmas tape is it? :Rolling:

I think a picture may be required .... :wasntme:


I hope they do it in NSW. I put my new rego sticker on Basil, the series II the other day, and it fell off within 15 minutes. Now stuck on with sticky tape.

The highway patrol in NSW, and possibly elsewhere, have the automatic number place recognition system. Detects unregistered/uninsured cars within seconds.

No doubt, as well as being able to receive your rego papers by mail, you could elect to have them sent electronically, thus saving postage costs.

[pop058]

My dad was driving on the approach road to the airport in Perth and noticed that a new type of camera was being used (and that there was six coppers standing around it). When my dad got to the airport he asked a copper there about the camera as it doesn't look the same as the usual multinova and the copper mentioned that the camera read the number plates.

I've seen some of the police show from the UK that showed the police over there using the cameras to identify people with cars that had expired tax discs or had to failed to renew their insurance.

NSW has had them for many years. I think they were first introduced into the transport industry to log truck movements and were(are) hooked up to the main Cop/RTA (?) computer

Paul

[Panda]

Now, now Chucaro, you can't expect the Government to be too efficient, it would ruin their reputation. :D


Bugger with my english...I am :confused:

They say....
....bid to save $2 million over four years in printing and postage costs,.........

and then

”People will still be sent an account to pay their registration but they will no longer be required to display registration stickers,”

Where is the saving in postage :eek:

[Panda]

Hmmm, like some dumb arse blonde secretaries who may forget to register their boss' vehicle??? ... I'd better get straight on to that! :D



Most unregistered/unisnsured vehicles are detected whilst being driven. Funnily enough, a lot of those are company directors etc in their BMW's or Mercs, who are blissfully unaware that their personal assitant forgot to renew the registration the week before...:Rolling:

[Panda]

Double yawn ...


Yawn :angel:

[MickS]

This the issue at the centre of this thread.

Council parking officers only have access to a vehicle's status via it's registration label. What they look for are it's registered state (current or out of date) and for loading zones whether the vehicle is commercial or private registration.

As you say, they do indeed enforce local ordinances and parking an unregistered vehicle on a public street is a breach of local ordinance. Furthermore don't try to tell me that they don't fine people for unregistered vehicles as it happened to me in Darlinghurst (Sth. Sydney Council) because I had not applied my new sticker a week after the due date.

You are correct, the SDRO do collect the monies and they return the revenue less an administration fee to the issuing authority. This can be the local Council, the NSW Police or even a Public Hospital if they issue an infringement on the Hospital campus. If this wasn't the situation there would be no incentive for the councils to employ parking officers.

Diana :)

This was sent to me from a mate, who is a council ranger -

"Council Inspectors/Rangers cannot issue fines for unregistered offences/labels etc. Neither can we issue penalty notices for unlawfully standing an unregistered vehicle. As authorised officers we have powers under the Australian Road Rules that are granted to authorised officers and under a memorandum of understanding with the Commissioner of Police. There are also some LAC's that utilise Council to assist in joint operations involving alcohol free zones etc..We look after abondoned vehicles for the police but still require their assistance if the vehicle has no plates etc as we cannot force entry for this purpose."

I'll leave it at that :)

[DiscoStew]

how about this tho....


lastly I think ts funny most states already have or are moving to legislation the requires you to carry your photograhic drivers licence when driving so it can be produced on request.....on this same basis, drivers licences arent required anymore because checks can just be made on a radio.....

I reckon you raise a good point about the driver needing to see the rego sticker but the driver's licence isn't the same. It's not like we walk around with a plate attached to our foreheads showing a unique identifier that can be scanned by passing cops. The analogy doesn't fit. The number plate is simply an identifier which links to an authorisation that the police can look up whereas the drivers licence is not just an authorisation, it is also a credential.

Until they barcode us they will still need us to carry a driver's licence.





They say....
....bid to save $2 million over four years in printing and postage costs,.........

and then

”People will still be sent an account to pay their registration but they will no longer be required to display registration stickers,”

Where is the saving in postage :eek:

I assume they still send two letters, a bill and then a receipt. I suspect it is simply a case that they have an expense account called "Printing & Postage" due to the way that they normally outsource both of these to a printing company who run the print jobs including enveloping and posting. Being accountants they just automatically use their jargon with skant regard for the public's ability to make sense of it (bit like us IT people). In this case the saving would be primarily in materials used in printing.

[MickS]

I've been told it won't be long and they will be done away with in NSW as well.

[3toes]

Hmmm, like some dumb arse blonde secretaries who may forget to register their boss' vehicle??? ... I'd better get straight on to that! :D

Worked for a company a few years ago where we found that about 20 vehicles were on the road with expired rego.

Seems that when the renewals came in they were sent to the repo department who of course were not going to pay and just filed them. No one thought to see if they matched up to any vehicles we had taken back.

Problem was only found when one of the drivers noticed that the sticker in the windscreen of his vehicle was a few months expired and a new one had not been sent out. Cue many people running around looking for some one to blame.

[3toes]

My dad was driving on the approach road to the airport in Perth and noticed that a new type of camera was being used (and that there was six coppers standing around it). When my dad got to the airport he asked a copper there about the camera as it doesn't look the same as the usual multinova and the copper mentioned that the camera read the number plates.

I've seen some of the police show from the UK that showed the police over there using the cameras to identify people with cars that had expired tax discs or had to failed to renew their insurance.

While there is a 'tax disk' in the windscreen here the police do tend to use number plate cameras to check for unregistered and/or uninsured vehicles. This has resulted in a thriving trade in false / cloned plates from cars that are registered and taxed. Car passes the camera test each time and you can smile and wave as you go past.

[Bigbjorn]

This was sent to me from a mate, who is a council ranger -

"Council Inspectors/Rangers cannot issue fines for unregistered offences/labels etc. Neither can we issue penalty notices for unlawfully standing an unregistered vehicle. As authorised officers we have powers under the Australian Road Rules that are granted to authorised officers and under a memorandum of understanding with the Commissioner of Police. There are also some LAC's that utilise Council to assist in joint operations involving alcohol free zones etc..We look after abondoned vehicles for the police but still require their assistance if the vehicle has no plates etc as we cannot force entry for this purpose."

I'll leave it at that :)

That must be a NSW thing. Brisbane City Council has by-laws in place regarding unregistered vehicles and do enforce them when unregistered vehicles are encountered. BCC also has special vehicles in its Traffic Operations section that remove parked or broken down vehicles from clearways, no standing zones, bus stops, etc. if necessary, without reference to the owner or operator. They usually push or drag them around the nearest corner to free up traffic flow.

[MickS]

That must be a NSW thing. Brisbane City Council has by-laws in place regarding unregistered vehicles and do enforce them when unregistered vehicles are encountered. BCC also has special vehicles in its Traffic Operations section that remove parked or broken down vehicles from clearways, no standing zones, bus stops, etc. if necessary, without reference to the owner or operator. They usually push or drag them around the nearest corner to free up traffic flow.

Clearway tows are taken away around the corner here too...HWP usually enforce those with clearway runs a.m. and p.m.

[BMKal]

I suppose my question is - once I no longer have a rego sticker on my Disco and camper trailer(which I think is a good thing), what happens when I go on my regular holidays to Tassie. Will the SA, Vic or Tassie coppers try to knock me off for not displaying a rego sticker or what ???

A few years back, a copper in Glenelg SA pulled me up and wanted to put a defect sticker on my Range Rover because he reckoned the tyres on it were too big for SA. When I pointed out the WA reg and said that I was driving home in a couple of days, and virtually told him that I would simply rip his sticker off and throw it away, he changed his mind and let me off with a "warning".

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Brisbane City Council by-laws provide for a fine of $150 for parking an unregistered vehicle on a road under council's jurisdiction. Furthermore, a fine of $150 if the vehicle is being offered for sale on a public road. If the vehicle being offered for sale is registered and does not have the required copy of the Safety Certificate attached, the nice council officer notifies Qld. Transport who also levy a fine.

BCC do searches through QLD transport all the time to retrieve the address and owner names so they can chase the fines. I'm not sure that losing the stickers would make any difference to them.

I'm not sure of how unregistered vehicles are handled.

I know the QLD police were working on a registration camera that looked at the plate and checked to see if it was valid. I suspect it must not have had a good enough business plan or we would have seen them out in force by now. Perhaps there were legislative issues.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

....
Until they barcode us they will still need us to carry a driver's licence. Will that be the mark of the beast as specified in Revelations?

....
I assume they still send two letters, a bill and then a receipt. ...In NSW they send the label with the notice, you can pay the registration on-line then merely apply the sticker that they sent. I do think that you are supposed to write the receipt number on the sticker before you put it up. So the only savings for suspending the issuing of labels would be the cost of the not having the sticky film on the back of the registration renewal.

Getting back to Mick.

Seeing that Council Rangers can't book a vehicle for displaying an expired registration label, can you ask your ranger friend, where I go to get my fine refunded?

[cucinadio]

"OMG!" Its just a sticker boys and girls not the Inquisition ...:o......:p....


cheers

[miky]

What seems to be missing from this thread is what happens when a WA vehicle is in another state.

I doubt that the cops (or who ever) have access to the WA registration database.

As for tyres being legal in WA but not in SA etc. I always thought that if something was legal in the state of registration, then it was OK in any other state.
Be a nightmare to police otherwise surely.


.

[MickS]

I doubt that the cops (or who ever) have access to the WA registration database.

.

Things may have changed in recent times, but in NSW, the police did have no real access to interstate details, other than if the car was stolen. But as I said, may have changed.

[MickS]

Getting back to Mick.

Seeing that Council Rangers can't book a vehicle for displaying an expired registration label, can you ask your ranger friend, where I go to get my fine refunded?

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[Chucaro]

"OMG!" Its just a sticker boys and girls not the Inquisition ...:o......:p....


cheers

I have done a good job with the big spoon :D
Looks like that there are plenty hot blood latinos here :angel:

[digger]

My dad was driving on the approach road to the airport in Perth and noticed that a new type of camera was being used (and that there was six coppers standing around it). When my dad got to the airport he asked a copper there about the camera as it doesn't look the same as the usual multinova and the copper mentioned that the camera read the number plates.

I've seen some of the police show from the UK that showed the police over there using the cameras to identify people with cars that had expired tax discs or had to failed to renew their insurance.

we have these in SA...they sit in a plain unmarked vehicle on side of road about 200m up the road. The computer reads the plate, checks rego & insurance against computer, then checks licence status of registered owner, and checks for warrants etc on registered owner as well...

he calls it down to us and we pull the car over to confirm or refute these facts....

1 month ago on a oliday weekend we detained an alleged rapist(DNA evidence...alleged like hell!:mad::nazilock:) using this method... in one night we also caught 14 unreg/uninsured or unlicensed drivers (incl 2 disqualified drivers) all in one spot with 15 police, we in the 6 hours this was running breath tested 950+ (may have been more but was at least 950) drivers and inspected the vehicles (VLAD...refer my earlier post)

I reckon they are great for taking these people off the road...if you get hit by an unlicenced and unreg/uninsured driver your chances of getting most of your costs done or even close are buckleys...


...and now they are being hooked up to redlight cameras & overhead traffic cameras, Redlight cameras here are already speed radars also..so if you speed through an intersection on a green light..."its flash for cash"! soon if you do it unregistered.... same thing...


its big brother....really really big brother!!!


Oh and an agreement AUST wide has just been signed to share details on all motor vehicle/licence databases through all states (only WA and TAS dont already do this... these will also share crim histories etc (especially warnings eg recent one advised us that the male we had stopped regularly carries firearms tucked in his belt, a search revealed no firearm but he ad a large knife...
and without that warning we may have not been aware of his attitude towards us!!)

digger

(ps disco stew....the barcode thing is a great idea... when can we start branding our repeat offenders!!??:twisted::twisted::twisted:)

[Bigbjorn]

BCC do searches through QLD transport all the time to retrieve the address and owner names so they can chase the fines.

Social Security field officers regularly search rego. records. A field officer was trained to record all rego. numbers at any address they visited. I used to get my staff to write the numbers on the back of the file cover as they were walking in. The numbers thus stayed with the personal file. Handy to know who is staying at an address to adjust rent assistance according to numbers of residents, and to be able to confront the client who claims to be there on their own, and not in a domestic relationship.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Social Security field officers regularly search rego. records. A field officer was trained to record all rego. numbers at any address they visited. I used to get my staff to write the numbers on the back of the file cover as they were walking in. The numbers thus stayed with the personal file. Handy to know who is staying at an address to adjust rent assistance according to numbers of residents, and to be able to confront the client who claims to be there on their own, and not in a domestic relationship.

All the QLD and local governments have fairly free access to rego details. I don't doubt that the Fed gov has this too. However QLD gove doesn't have access to social security (they wouldn't give it to Justice anyway) unless the client authorised it. :o

[Bigbjorn]

All the QLD and local governments have fairly free access to rego details. I don't doubt that the Fed gov has this too. However QLD gove doesn't have access to social security (they wouldn't give it to Justice anyway) unless the client authorised it. :o

Social Security has plenipotentiary untrammelled powers to access virtually any records or information other than that associated with national security, on demand, and to be supplied within 14 days. Section 1304 of the Social Security Act. Client details are covered by the privacy provisions of federal legislation and can be accessed by law enforcement through a procedure. DSS staff have been fined, reduced in position, sacked, and gaoled for breaches of privacy. This can be as petty as looking up a rellies record when they ask if they have been paid yet, discussing a client's affairs with another staff member not directly involved, reading a client file you are not working with, or the serious matter of selling information to the likes of debt collectors, aggrieved ex-spouses, landlords.

Public money but client privacy. Go figure.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Social Security has plenipotentiary untrammelled powers to access virtually any records or information other than that associated with national security, on demand, and to be supplied within 14 days. Section 1304 of the Social Security Act. Client details are covered by the privacy provisions of federal legislation and can be accessed by law enforcement through a procedure. DSS staff have been fined, reduced in position, sacked, and gaoled for breaches of privacy. This can be as petty as looking up a rellies record when they ask if they have been paid yet, discussing a client's affairs with another staff member not directly involved, reading a client file you are not working with, or the serious matter of selling information to the likes of debt collectors, aggrieved ex-spouses, landlords.

Public money but client privacy. Go figure.
Sorry - I should have clarified that. I meant that all the QLD departments and agencies have access to rego data. I don't doubt the feds to too. However the feds don't give their data to QLD unless the client authorises it.

Within all the various systems that have that data I'm sure that most if not all would have controls to stop (or at least trace) users of the system accessing that data inappropriately.

In summary, I think we agree and are saying the same thing :)