Rear recovery point on Puma with no towbar

[spudboy]

I've read a few threads about recovery points (Scallops front points look the business), but my query is about bolting on one of these type of hitch points:


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (https://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/DSC05438.jpg)


Straight onto the standard rear cross member. There are 4 threaded bolt holes which look like a universal size to take a hitch like this.


Am I in danger of ripping out my rear cross-member (using a snatch strap recovery) if I just bolt one on without having a tow-bar assembly or any thing else back there?


Thanks
David


ps. Scallops - if you read this, can you tell me if you had to drill your chassis to put on your front recovery hooks. I looked at my chassis, and I can't see where the bolts would go through....

[dullbird]

I personally wouldn't bolt anything to the rear cross member unless you put a big spreading plate behind it to spread out the load as I don't think the rear cross members are that strong.

They can get fatigued from a wheel carrier being attached to it so I would hate to see a few snatch recoverys off one..

I don't know this for fact about it being weak its just my opinion

[Jock The Rock]

When you have a look at the Hayman Reese hitches they are not only bolted to the rear cross member but they are braced back to the chassis rails as well. So I think DB is on the money here, probably not such a good idea

[muddymech]

probably best just to get couple jate rings

[spudboy]

OK. Looks like I need something more substantial then.

What are the threaded holes on the rear cross-member meant for then? Is it for a LR towbar (in conjunction with other bracketing etc)?

[spudboy]

probably best just to get couple jate rings

Where can get them from? Are they an ARB/TJM sort of thing, or import from the UK type of thing?


I am going out playing in the sand nextweekend, so I'd like something by Friday!!

[muddymech]

they will be for the drop down plate for the tow bar as is more common in the uk giving the defender its traditional plough for off roading.

[Sprint]

food for thought, when the army were runing SIII's, after a while a tech update was sent through military circles regarding details on how to manufacture and fit a set of reinforcing plates to the rear crossmember to cope with the stresses of towing with the pintle hook that was normally simply bolted to the rear crossmember

[spudboy]

MuddyMech just PM'd me suggesting Karcraft might be able to supply Jate rings, so I have sent off an email quote request. Will see if that turns up anything useful.

I also found this useful info on tensile strengths in different sized bolts:
http://www.landroverclub.za.org/vehicle_recovery_points.htm

Looks like the rear Jate rings on the standard chassis are not suitable for much at all! Rated at 340Kgs only :(

[spudboy]

Those guys at Karcraft are onto it!! I emailed a request for a quote last night, and I got a reply by 9:30 this morning :o

David we have not stocked these jate rings
buy in ex UK only
Thanks
Tony.


David Deere has requested a quote for the following items:




Part No

Description

Price Each
BA2683A
NEW ITEM - NO DESCRIPTION AVALABLE AS YET


$42.80 jate ring forged steel


I am after some Jate rings for a 2007 Defender 110 Land Rover. The part number I have is RRC3237. Thanks David Deere

[solmanic]

Personally, I would just bite the bullet and fit a tow bar - I prefer the genuine one because you keep the rear step. Surely someone here has a spare lying around since they are the same fit as the Td5. A Defender without a towbar is a bit like a kitchen without the cook. You've got a lot of great equipment, but it just can't do anything by itself.

[samuelclarke]

I have a recovery point that Scorpion (http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/index.html) do for the back of the Defender:
http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/OFFROAD/Products%20images/cats/rec/reyes/rreyes.jpg

Planing on getting a towbar, but $100 for the recovery point is cheaper than $700 odd dollars a towbar costs...although as has been mentioned you still have the issue of it just pulling off the crossmember, though I haven't had any issues with it yet. Rovercraft (http://rovacraft.com.au/) sell them in AUS. Hope that helps.

[spudboy]

I have a recovery point that Scorpion (http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/index.html) do for the back of the Defender:


Planing on getting a towbar, but $100 for the recovery point is cheaper than $700 odd dollars a towbar costs...although as has been mentioned you still have the issue of it just pulling off the crossmember, though I haven't had any issues with it yet. Rovercraft (http://rovacraft.com.au/) sell them in AUS. Hope that helps.

Well that was my original intention, but several people here have warned that the bolt points may not be up to snatching.

Re Solmanic, and not getting a towbar, I've got towbars on the RR and the Disco and the 130, so don't need to have one on this one, but sadly I may have to just for the "recovery-ablilty" point.

[spudboy]

Not sure if I can x-post a picture from an other forum, but this looks interesting:

http://www.landrovernet.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90855&d=1242024179

http://www.landrovernet.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90856&d=1242024179

http://www.landrovernet.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90857&d=1242024252

[SVX37]

I've read a few threads about recovery points (Scallops front points look the business), but my query is about bolting on one of these type of hitch points:


https://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/DSC05438340.jpg (https://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/DSC05438.jpg)


Straight onto the standard rear cross member. There are 4 threaded bolt holes which look like a universal size to take a hitch like this.


Am I in danger of ripping out my rear cross-member (using a snatch strap recovery) if I just bolt one on without having a tow-bar assembly or any thing else back there?


Thanks
David



ps. Scallops - if you read this, can you tell me if you had to drill your chassis to put on your front recovery hooks. I looked at my chassis, and I can't see where the bolts would go through....


What are you putting on the front for recovery points Spudboy?

[spudboy]

What are you putting on the front for recovery points Spudboy?

I am going to get 2 hooks from ARB and bolt them straight to the chassis.

Looks like I have to drill some holes, which I am not too keen on doing.

Scallops has 2 on the front of his which he recommended, and I have a couple on my Disco, so am going with them again on the 110 as I don't have a bullbar on it.