49 S1 80"

[Dingo63]

Found a 49 S1 80".

Genuine EARLY 1949, not a 50.


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[Aaron IIA]

What colour is it's chassis? This will tell us if it is an early or late '49. I am thinking that it is a late '49. Does it have a side plate engine? Or were these updated by now? I can see under all of the layers of paint hints of the correct early green colour.

Aaron.

[Dingo63]

By the numbers its a March-April 1949.

Chassis is dead straight and solid but is covered in mud.

Looking forward to sourcing all the bits :)

[Seriously_Series]

Looks great do you have any better photos of the vehicle?

Should be Light Green Body with Light Green Chassis which makes it a late 49.

[Landy Smurf]

im liking the rear tail lights they look like they are in good conditions i wish mine were:(

[slug_burner]

I don't know if the early tail lights were chrome under the paint? I have a chrome set of reproduction D lights for mine as black ones were a little hard to get here in Aus.

Congratualtions on your early 80" find. I would have a big smile on my face if I had an early one. Then again I would also have a storage problem, or should that be a bigger storage problem than my current one.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Quite a lot of conjecture here.

Just to re-cap, 1948 models were made until about February 1949 ending with 863000 followed immediately by the first of the official 1949 models 8663001 and 1949 production finished in August 1949 with 8667920.

The early 1949's were made in sage green colour and ended with bronze green after the first of the Britt Army contracts.

In NSW R8665278 and R8665487 arrived in Port Jackson on the 25th July 1949 meaning that they had to have been assembled in the UK in April, May or the first week of June at the latest. The dates stamped on the parts and assemblies are usually about 1 month before the vehicle assembly.

D lamps on Land Rover 80" were black coloured.

[back_in]

Hi all
The number of owners that are not content to have a great 50, they want to turn it into a 49
are giving me the ..........
I would love a 48........ but I have a 49 with a few bits on it that say I could call it a 48, the owner before me had the car reg. as a 48.........but it is still a 49.
So for god's sake a 48 born in 49 is still a 48
a 49 born in 48 is still a 49, a 50 born in 49 is still a 50
why is it that some people have a problem calling a car the year land Rover said it was instead of trying to make what it is not.
Some Land rover owner's need the oil changed between their ears. before they change the oil in the car.
now that is off my chest.
cheers
ian

[slug_burner]

Hi all
The number of owners that are not content to have a great 50, they want to turn it into a 49
are giving me the ..........
I would love a 48........ but I have a 49 with a few bits on it that say I could call it a 48, the owner before me had the car reg. as a 48.........but it is still a 49.
So for god's sake a 48 born in 49 is still a 48
a 49 born in 48 is still a 49, a 50 born in 49 is still a 50
why is it that some people have a problem calling a car the year land Rover said it was instead of trying to make what it is not.
Some Land rover owner's need the oil changed between their ears. before they change the oil in the car.
now that is off my chest.
cheers
ian


So what are you saying it is then Ian? By the numbers Diana has provided it is a 49.

[Dingo63]

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[Dingo63]

I don't know if the early tail lights were chrome under the paint? I have a chrome set of reproduction D lights for mine as black ones were a little hard to get here in Aus.

Congratualtions on your early 80" find. I would have a big smile on my face if I had an early one. Then again I would also have a storage problem, or should that be a bigger storage problem than my current one.


Yea well best thing is, i have e member who is interested in the old s2a, so now i have room for the 49 in the shed :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi all
The number of owners that are not content to have a great 50, ....
So for god's sake a 48 born in 49 is still a 48
a 49 born in 48 is still a 49, a 50 born in 49 is still a 50
why is it that some people have a problem calling a car the year land Rover said it was instead of trying to make what it is not.
Yes Ian this is an interesting and ongoing debate.

The issue is the difference between year of manufacture and model year.

So yes you are correct: A 1948 model has a number between 860001 and 863000.
A 1949 model has a number between 8663001 and 8667920
A 1950 model has a number starting 061

However there is no problem also suggesting a vehicle was manufactured in a particuler year. In fact after the advent of Australian compliance plates the vehicle is identified by it's manufacture year. For example I have a phase II Range Rover, when I order parts for this vehicle I have to get parts for a 1985 model which are different to the 1984 models. However the compliance plate specifies that the vehicle was built in 10/84 so that is the date that the RTA and the Insurance companies want, 1985 model or not. It is the same with historic registration, eligibility is the manufacture year and not the model year.

In fact Marco's Pre-production 80" over in Perth was most probably built after the first of the Production 1948 models, so who's is the oldest Marco's Pre-pro or R860004 also in Perth?

So Ian yes you are correct but also wrong in respect to manufacture year.

In the long run, who really cares, just have fun and enjoy your cars.

Diana :)

[260AC]

Quite a lot of conjecture here.
In NSW R8665278 and R8665487 arrived in Port Jackson on the 25th July 1949 meaning that they had to have been assembled in the UK in April, May or the first week of June at the latest. The dates stamped on the parts and assemblies are usually about 1 month before the vehicle assembly.

R8665278 was 'In' 30/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

R8665487 was 'In' 06/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

Both obviously to Grenville Motor's Sydney

[back_in]

Hi All
I am glad Diana you have responded to my comments.
It is one of other things that we have at other times agreed to disagree.
It this one of the things that add's interest in our enjoyment of the Mark.
But you are wrong a 49 L/R is a 49 L/R
not a 48 or any other year somebody now claims it may be.
The bosses at L/R have called their product such and such.
Why the ego enriched that have come later, think they have the right to change what l/R said and set in stone.
As far as Range Rovers go, i am a lowly worker, i can not afford one, when i can i will worry about were they sit with ins. companies and the RTA.
Who by the way are not in S.A.
Cheers
Ian

[Lotz-A-Landies]

R8665278 was 'In' 30/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

R8665487 was 'In' 06/05/1949 and 'out' 08/06/1949

Both obviously to Grenville Motor's SydneySo I got that one correct they were built in May 1949! :D

"In" meaning off the production line and into the Dispatch Department for preparation for export shipping.

"Out" meaning sent from the Dispatch Department to the wharves for loading onto the ship (St Hibart) destined for Sydney.


Hi All
I am glad Diana you have responded to my comments.

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But you are wrong a 49 L/R is a 49 L/R Yes you are correct and that is what I said all 1949 models are 1949 builds
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Cheers
Ian
Ian

We are agreeing with one another again.

A 1948 model starts with 86**** (But some were built in 1949)
A 1949 model starts with 866****
A 1950 model starts with 061***** (But some were built in 1949)

It is just that when people talk about manufactured date it may not be the same as the Model Year.

However I am yet to meet someone with a late 1948 who suggests that it is a 1949 build car! :D :D

Diana

BTW Land Rover called my 1985 model RRc a 1984 build when they affixed the Compliance plate. ;)

[260AC]

A 1948 model starts with 86**** (But some were built in 1949)
A 1949 model starts with 866****
A 1950 model starts with 061***** (But some were built in 1949)



Just to add to the mix

1948 Models
R860001 Dispatched 'In' 19/07/1948 to R863000 Dispatched 'In' 22/02/1949

1949 Models
R8663001 Dispatched 'In' 23/02/1949 to R8667920 Dispatched 'In' 19/08/1949

1950 Models
R06100001 Dispatched 'In' 03/08/1949 to L06115440 Dispatched 'In' 01/09/1950

Rover also released 'Service Bulletin's' stating the Model Year corresponding with these dates.

I have added a number of dates to the 80" changes lists that are now available here

http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=24

[dennisS1]

Diana you made this statement:
“The early 1949's were made in sage green colour and ended with bronze green after the first of the Britt Army contracts.”

At what number did the body colour and chassis colour change and was it the same time.
Hi from Dennis
My other problem is should I restore a 49, 50, 51 or 52 next?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Dennis

This question one I'm not sure about but perhaps our new friend 260AC can enlighten us? The dispatch books he is referring to frequently have the colour listed where the Grenville Books I have access to rarely list a colour and then only because it was a special re-paint.

My thoughts are that the sage green ones all had the silver chassis, however they may only have been 1948's.

Diana

BTW. I came across a few CKD 1949's in the Grenville books the other day where our previous understanding was that the 1949 CKD all went to Dewar's in India.

[dennisS1]

8664193 is still Sage and silver
I would be a bit careful about that 260AC chap, might be an Australian hiding in pommy land.
His references are to information supplied by that Bishop character and I’ am always suspicious of the clergy.
Dennis

[Lotz-A-Landies]

That ecclesiastical chap? I thought he was the chief turkey!! A loss to us but good for him and his wife.

However the data is coming from the Gaydon records and there is a whole little covern of 80" enthusiasts over there who have been studying the minutiae of the dispatch records for years. :D ;)

So 260AC may well have access to original source material.

Diana :)

[260AC]

That ecclesiastical chap? I thought he was the chief turkey!! A loss to us but good for him and his wife.

However the data is coming from the Gaydon records and there is a whole little covern of 80" enthusiasts over there who have been studying the minutiae of the dispatch records for years. :D ;)

So 260AC may well have access to original source material.

Diana :)

260AC does have occasional access to the source material from time to time and all your other guesses are right on the money. The light to dark green does actually stand out in the dispatch book and for all vehicles is R8666000, however there are vehicles before that for various countires that are dark green, or early British Mill cars. The Silver chassis is somewhere between R8664500 and R8665000. Some vehicles have the silver some have the silver chassis and some have the light green chassis most likely expliation is as we know the chassis colour was by the chassis build number and they arn't in production order on the production line. Anyway enjoy. The S1 forum guys have been great and given me space to let me take the 80 changes pages to the next level, which I had always wanted to do, but 4wdonline.com woudn't let me do it back in the 90's. (He of little faith)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Great that you are here on AuLRO however infrequently.

The colour question has always been something that I wanted a little clearer information.

Now what would be good if we could have the actual colours specified according to the BS industrial colour chart, so we can have the paints mixed/converted using a known standard.

Diana

[Dingo63]

Thanks for all your help all. Much appreciated :)

[pommy66]

buy it....

[back_in]

Hi All
I have seen one of James Taylor's books when the change to black from silver.
But can not remember, I think it was about several 100 cars after mine, which is 8664189.
Diana you may be right, the dark green and the black chassis may have come about with the M.D. requirements.
cheers
ian

[Lost Landy]

I know for a fact that NO 80" land rovers had a black painted chassis, it was either silver, sage green or bronze green though if you ordered a frie enging you got a red chassis. This practice continued till the end of the 86"107" run.

[bobslandies]

Hi,
Before making emphatic statements like

"I know for a fact that NO 80" land rovers had a black painted chassis, it was either silver, sage green or bronze green though if you ordered a frie enging you got a red chassis. This practice continued till the end of the 86"107" run."

it would be good to quote a source.

Here is a reference to Black replacement chassis and their fitment to British Army 80s" see Reply no 30

Login (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=973.25)

Bob

[chazza]

Hi,

Here is a reference to Black replacement chassis and their fitment to British Army 80s" see Reply no 30

Login (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=973.25)

Bob

The link only works for members Bob. What does it say?

Cheers Charlie

[bobslandies]

The link only works for members Bob. What does it say?

Cheers Charlie

Hi Charlie,
Here's an abridged compilation from a discussion on British Military 80" specifications and LRSOC members contributions.

From Reply #7
"I have a 1951 built 1952 model"

From Reply #30 – info on above vehicle from Military records:

“the basic specification for vehicals built under contract number 6/veh/7711 ,this is a truck 1/4 ton 4x4 general service rover mk2 and was supplied with mos (MOD?) brass data plate, rear seats and grab handles, hood with roll-up sides, trailor socket and dummy socket on rear crossmember o/s, trafficators, jerrycan holder behind front seats in rear body, spare wheel carrier on bonnet, pyrene fire extinguisher and bracket, bridge plate, wd number plates, jack and handle wheelbrace and starting handle .”

“details also state that the chassis was black now i found bronze green paint on the chassis, which is correct?”

There are a couple of typos in this quote that I have not corrected. The (MOD?) is my addition and may be wrong.

Reply #33

“The only black 80 chassis that I've ever seen was a replacement one.
The Army 80s were basically in the standard civvy colour scheme - green body & chassis, black axles, springs etc. As David says, the Army often repainted everything green. They also often completely stripped vehicles down before painting, so absolutely everything is green, even on normally unseen bits.”

If you go to the home page of the forum: Land Rover Series One Club (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php)
it's easy to register, you don't have to be a member of the Series One Club to use the forum.

Bob

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I know for a fact that NO 80" land rovers had a black painted chassis, it was either silver, sage green or bronze green though if you ordered a frie enging you got a red chassis. This practice continued till the end of the 86"107" run.Well actually I have an ex-RACQ 80" and it was sand colour from assembly at Annand and Thompson but that was a special done for a fleet order.

[dennisS1]

I think you will find in most cases the chassis is body colour (after the silver ones) right up to the end of 54.
Dennis

[Dingo63]

buy it....

What the Rover? :D

[LRO53]

If you go to the home page of the forum: Land Rover Series One Club (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php)
it's easy to register, you don't have to be a member of the Series One Club to use the forum.

Bob

This is a really great site there is so much great content a real must for the Series 1 Enthusiast. Also if your a member of the club you get the great Legend Magazine which is worth every cent of the membership.

AM

(Previously Seriously_Series)

[260AC]

I think you will find in most cases the chassis is body colour (after the silver ones) right up to the end of 54.
Dennis

There is a great thread where they are trying to figure out the chassis colour change on the 471 home market 86" vehicles in the S1 club forum. The body coloured chassis on Aussie CKD's lasts well into the 1955 season so far as the vehicles I have seen

[lenmctodd]

260AC does have occasional access to the source material from time to time and all your other guesses are right on the money. The light to dark green does actually stand out in the dispatch book and for all vehicles is R8666000, however there are vehicles before that for various countires that are dark green, or early British Mill cars. The Silver chassis is somewhere between R8664500 and R8665000. Some vehicles have the silver some have the silver chassis and some have the light green chassis most likely expliation is as we know the chassis colour was by the chassis build number and they arn't in production order on the production line. Anyway enjoy. The S1 forum guys have been great and given me space to let me take the 80 changes pages to the next level, which I had always wanted to do, but 4wdonline.com woudn't let me do it back in the 90's. (He of little faith)

Some great info here. I thought all the vehicles with the early headlights were cockpit green... So i think this makes mine dark green? Not to worry i like the dark green ones better.

Len