Top Gear Aus - Verdict?

[vnx205]

So what do people think?

I thought it was a vast improvement.

Getting rid of Charlie was a good idea.

Getting rid of the "What were they thinking?" board was an even better idea and it was done in real style.

The interview with Skaife asked some sensible questions.

Things are looking up.

[long stroke]

yep improved abit:cool:

[vnx205]

A bit????

I thought it improved out of sight.

[harry]

twas ok,
let's not can it because we may not like bits.
it is no worse than the pommy show which also has some real crap moments.
i liked tonight's show, well done top gear aus.

[Landy Smurf]

its better im disapointed though they are in the best country and they are not using it:( i would love to see challenges where they have say $2000 and they have to buy a ute or 4wd and set tasks for them

[awabbit6]

I have to admit - I was pleasantly surprised!

It was a much better show and didn't have the 'carbon copy' feel that the last series had.

Getting rid of Charlie had to make it better!

[discowhite]

i bloody loved it! flamin funny! james morrinson is deffinatly a keeper.
still reckon the stig should have been re named... the BRUCE:D

cheers phil

[abaddonxi]

I didn't see it this week. Seems like a pity to get rid of the, 'what were they thinking'. Although I didn't like the board, I noticed that the phrase immediately worked its way into all kinds of unexpected conversations and was probably the most memorable part of the first series.

Simon

[It'sNotWorthComplaining!]

Didn't do anything for me...I ended up channeling over to 2 & 1/2 men , at least I got the odd laugh there.
I still prefer the Pommy show and their challenges.

[harry]

i agree phil,
dunno why we need to copy the stig,
the bruce, the quickie, the spurt,
anything,
keep the show coming, and let's not shoot it down this time.
yep, james is a refreshing addition,
and he's a nice bloke too.


two and a half men? obviously still a child.

[Barefoot Dave]

Better, but still a little....meh.
I'm interested to know if the 'flatness' of the show is due to franchise restrictions, ie. the format and style of banter or just uninspired direction.
James Morrison is a great choice.
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.The Stig is Russel Ingel;)

[dmdigital]

I found it a lot better than the first series. James Morrison was good and getting rid of Charlie was probably the best thing they did.

Warren got a good rise out of Skaife on the lap time, thought that was well done!

And as for how they got rid of the "What were they thinking wall" - brilliant, worthy of their founding show.

I think it's definitely heading towards something more promising and worth a second look.

[Grover-98]

Yes i thought it was MUCH MUCH MUCH better!!!!

James was an improvement, i highly agree with a comment bellow saying .They should have tasks where they get 2000 and have to buy a 4x4 and cross a dessert or something big!


:)

[John W]

Guys if that was better than the last series then I'm sure glad I did not see it.

[TJS-70Y]

I really enjoyed it. I think James is a great addition, much better than Charlie.
Very funny. I think it will get better as it goes on.

Thomas

[PhilipA]

Did you notice that Warren has been promoted to the "Jeremy" role doing the interviews etc.
James Morrison is not the direct replacement as the anchor man, Warren is, and I thought he did it well.
Didn't really like the BS with the stig's OZ flag, as they acted as if the Stig was rabid. This has never been the case on the UK show. The joke is he just says nothing.

Regards Philip A

[Shonky]

MUCH BETTER!

It still sounds a tad flat and corny, but their is an air that it will settle down over time. The last series was just a mash of crap and charlie cox-head.

I see light at the end of the tunnel. :)

[Omaroo]

Thank goodness Charlie is gaawn, gaawn, gawn. James Morrison is a real car nut, doesn't try to emulate any of the Brits, and is a great bloke to boot. I like the more authoratative feel of Aussie car shows (ala Glen Ridges show a while back) without the "politically incorrect because I'm known for it" silliness. Well done guys - the slightly wooden performances will smooth in time.

[long stroke]

A bit????

I thought it improved out of sight.

Maybe i'm being a bit harsh, it was a lot better than the last series, the interview was alot better than the usual ones:)

[Redback]

I loved the eat **** and die look on Skaifes face:twisted: I would of paid to see that alone:D

Baz.

[Grover-98]

I loved the eat **** and die look on Skaifes face:twisted: I would of paid to see that alone:D

Baz.

Would of been good to see his excuse if that was his actual fast lap :p

[sclarke]

James is the best thing they could have done....

The Evo v BMW was entertaining, but not a real test.... the Poms do a better job at testing.

I liked it, but it is still a copy of the UK version.. make it unique and make it totally aussie.

Stig..... i think i know who it is..... watch him next time on the supercheap advert and the folding arms has a special way that not many do....

[juddy]

No better than the first one, Same same, boring , stuff.

[MickS]

still a copy of the UK version.. make it unique and make it totally aussie.



Agree.

I thought it was no better than the first season and turned off after 10 minutes of cringe.

[solmanic]

James Morrison in a full-body wetsuit on a Waverider - grinning and laughing like a demented maniac... gold!

The rest was OK - still haven't quite got their timing right and too many obvious jokes that fall flat (eg. when you get two grown men on a jetski, the bum-jump jokes are a waste of air time). It just needs a bit more tightening up and the injection of some real wit and they would deserve another series.

[Scallops]

I enjoyed seeing the chook (almost) bounce into the back of the hatch.

[big guy]

Big improvement

They will get their **** together no doubt.
I like to see the first pommy shows and compare.
The U.K version I am sure has a huge team doing all the lines and showman ship.

Good on the guys for perhaps listening to consumer/audience response.

[blue thunder]

Top marks for top gear. As for the STIG im thinking it could be IAN OR WARREN LUFF as they live not far from the track at camden airport.

[Omaroo]

I enjoyed seeing the chook (almost) bounce into the back of the hatch.

They oh-so almost nailed the ice...

[Phoenix]

yup, what I saw (only caught the second half) was a huge improvement. If it keeps inproving at that rate it will be top notch by next season (if there is one)

[moose]

I thought it was much better, getting rid of charlie was always going to be a great step. People can feel free to bag it all they want, but at least SBS are giving it a go, and there's plenty worse shows on TV. The UK version was very ordinary the first few seasons too.

Skaife's driving didn't look terribly smooth though!
(and i loved the look on Skaife's face after the lap, he obviously knew his time was better than that.)

[George130]

Vast improvement.

[45tr0]

Unless they have changed the stig since series 1 then Jason Bargwanna should still be filling out the race suit.

[DiscoDan]

I taped it, and then watched the second half. Bloody great show and only getting better.

I must be one of the few that enjoyed the last series, yes they did try to hard but it is still a car show.

This season looks the be an outstanding effort. As for 4wd's crossing the desert, why not standard cars?

Again, been done on BBC. It will hard for TG Aust to not follow the BBC as they have been going now for 12 seasons.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

nearly missed it!!
came running into the lounge room to see the moke crash down and thought,,

what were they thinking!!:p:p

I thought the interview was bad,, if scaifey, (who talks for a living now remember), has trouble articulating how things feel,, move on.

I think we devalue the comparo's because we know the guys,,,, and its like their second REAL supercar,, you see a V8 holden get thrashed every week so even a special one is still no great shakes,,

as for skaifeys reaction,,
what did he expect??
It was a borderline cheap shot,,

and it was good to finally see some really hustle the bog car!!:twisted:

smooth=fast?

you be the judge,,,



oh,, and thank god skaifeys worn a full face all these years----

[BigJon]

oh,, and thank god skaifeys worn a full face all these years----


The only thing faster than his lap was his tongue!! :p

I thought the show was a vast improvement on last season.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I thought it was better. Very promising. I thought Charlie was ok he was just trying too hard to be Jeremy and in general. It was annoying.

[VladTepes]

Yeah I liked the new one.

That annoying Porsche driver (in a Lambo this week) still gets to me but James Morrison was an inspired choice and Warren does a good job of the "star in a bog standard car" segment.

I enjoyed the re-creation of that lets see if we can get stuff into the boot of the car ad.

Definitely looking up and I'll keep watching.

[NCF 110]

Much improved , I like it :D

[stevo68]

Finally got to watch it last night as had taped it. Was a little sceptical about James Morrison as the additional presenter.......but ended up enjoying the show. I think some folks are too pedantic in their critique....the show is about cars and even with Charlie before it was still better than watching some other fodder. People used to bag Seinfield when it first came on telly......now its an icon show. Good onya TGA,

Regards

Stevo

[Shonky]

I must admit that Steve Pizzaface has a few "isms" that really grate against my brain... :blink:

"Neesahn" (Nissan)
"Mooshylargo" (Murcielago)

There are more but my therapist helped me block them out. :p

[TimNZ]

I thought it was much better, I even laughed this time!! Especially with those 2 on the jet ski!! Oh, and I can't think of a better end to the "what were they thinking" wall.
Hopefully once they get to know each other better their dialouge will flow a bit better. TGUK in the beginning was a bit stilted, so there is hope!

Tim

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I must admit that Steve Pizzaface has a few "isms" that really grate against my brain... :blink:

"Neesahn" (Nissan)
"Mooshylargo" (Murcielago)

There are more but my therapist helped me block them out. :p
I'm afraid to break it to you... but the guy is from Melbourne and that's a Melbournian accent. There are probably only a couple of million others that talk like that :wasntme: :)

[Yorkie]

i liked it, improved on last year and the revised presenter line-up works well.
now was it just co-incidence that stig appeared in the studio for the first time on the very day skafie was in attendance......:eek: more fuel for the rumours:wasntme:

cheers
yorkie

[Pedro_The_Swift]

.The Stig is Russel Ingel;)




Stig..... i think i know who it is..... watch him next time on the supercheap advert and the folding arms has a special way that not many do....


As for the STIG im thinking it could be IAN OR WARREN LUFF as they live not far from the track at camden airport.


Unless they have changed the stig since series 1 then Jason Bargwanna should still be filling out the race suit.



now was it just co-incidence that stig appeared in the studio for the first time on the very day skafie was in attendance......
yorkie


POLL
anyone?
:p:p

[C0L0N3L]

A massive improvement on the first season, thank god they listened to everyone and got rid of Charlie and the "what were they thinking?" wall ..both made me chringe.

I think they are starting to make their own show now, in the first season they coppied nearly everysingle aspect of the Top Gear, but now they seem to be more comfortable with what they are doing, by season 3 i think they could have a really good show.

But Top Gear UK will always be better, you just can't replace Jeremy, Hammond and May.
New season out in June i think.. or is it July?

[discopete]

It just ain't right. There is, and always will be, only one Top Gear. ;):D

Pete

[moose]

Which one would that be? The UK version that ran from 1977 till 2001 and has been thru a range of changes over the time, or the UK version that started in 2002 and has been thru a range of changes over the time?

Point being even the "original" clarkson version has been adapted and changed to improve it over the time. In 2002 it kind of sucked really, the next couple of series wasn't much better.

The highly polished version they are bringing out nowadays is the result of 12 series' worth of improvements, and to compare the aussie version to it really isn't that fair.

Just take it in its own right, an aussie tv show that's entertaining and a little informative. Or hate it if you like, I don't care, I'll keep watching.;)

[procrastination inc]

A few weeks back, I took my eldest to the filming of EP3 of this season.

In the off camera banter between the boys, it seems that Steve, Warren and James seem to have quite a bit of genuine aussie mate style sledging going on.

A good omen for the future I think.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

A few weeks back, I took my eldest to the filming of EP3 of this season.

In the off camera banter between the boys, it seems that Steve, Warren and James seem to have quite a bit of genuine aussie mate style sledging going on.

A good omen for the future I think.

Tell me.. do they push all the females to the front? I've had this theory that they do it in the UK.

[procrastination inc]

"Tell me.. do they push all the females to the front?"

Ohhhhh Yeah!

and us ugly buggers to the back.

critical element of the show I reckon

[Top End Rangie]

No real improvement in layout or the show's ability to keep your attention in series 2 I reckon.
Watched it for about 20mins then lost interest.
It's like watching home movies.
james morrison?yeah he's good on the trumpet but............:(

[Hastykiwi]

Watched it for the first time this season tonight. I should qualify this by saying that i usually hurt myself laughing watching TGUK. I'm not sure i even cracked a smile tonight. I must say J morrison is a HUGE improvement on the original chap.

I still get the feeling they are 'performing' their lines. The little **** still bugs me as he always comes across like he's presenting a kids program.

I have to assume that all these guys are genuinley humourous in their own living rooms, but in the context of TGaus its painfully obvious they are forcing it.

The build an electric car challenge was a cracking idea, and had huge potential, and I'd have loved to see the little car rip around on 4 cordless drills, brilliant!. However it was let down with obviously engineered ideas that did'nt come from the principals, and the presenters having to maufacture humour.

At the end of the day tho, God loves a tryer...

Nick

[vnx205]

Did anyone else find it interesting that the Clubsport with the ridiculously low profile tyres was actually an enormous 3 seconds slower around the track than something with slightly more sensible profile tyres?

I think Steve's comment was that the purpose of the ultra low profile tyres was that to give you more "doof doof cred".

It confirmed my suspicion that some of these "performance mods" are more for show than for go.

I suppose the times for the Stig's laps were genuine.

[catch-22]

I went to the studio last night and should make a few TV shots :p Some VERY nice cars last night that should be on the show in about 5 weeks.

We turned up in my mates Kenworth 104 - with trailer - expecting to find parking. Amazing how many people move their cars when they see a big rig coming down the street :D

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Did anyone else find it interesting that the Clubsport with the ridiculously low profile tyres was actually an enormous 3 seconds slower around the track than something with slightly more sensible profile tyres?

That didn't surprise me at all. Those geese with rubber bands for tyres ....

[vnx205]

"Tell me.. do they push all the females to the front?"

Ohhhhh Yeah!

and us ugly buggers to the back.

critical element of the show I reckon

So who else found themselves watching the last episode with one eye on the presenters and on eye on the audience to see how many females were in the front rows?

[SteveT]

Total crap nothing funny.
you think about it, these guys have a near unlimited amount of time and money on their hands and this is what they come up with.
Lets face it us Australians are struggling to find anything funny or entertaining about the show what about the rest of the world (if they ever see it)!

A total waste of their time our time and everyones time!!

**** it off and start something new and worthwhile!!!

Or put the English vesion back on !!

[TimNZ]

Did anyone else find it interesting that the Clubsport with the ridiculously low profile tyres was actually an enormous 3 seconds slower around the track than something with slightly more sensible profile tyres?

I think Steve's comment was that the purpose of the ultra low profile tyres was that to give you more "doof doof cred".

It confirmed my suspicion that some of these "performance mods" are more for show than for go.

I suppose the times for the Stig's laps were genuine.

I thought this episode was a huge improvement, Steve's road test of the clubsport was great, well at least it was honest! Once the presenters get to know eachother a bit it will get better.

Tim

[D3Jon]

Definitely an improvement on the first series, Warren is now firmly lined up as the 'Clarkson' type now that Charlie has gone, they seemed to clash on this 'role' in the first series.

Anyone else noticed the similarities between James Morrison and James May (apart from their first names and initials)?... Both were / are musicians! Bl@@dy good choice though, the chemistry works well between him and the other presenters, plus he's a total car nut which is always good! :D

What Top Gear in the UK has lacked since 2002, is a presenter who can actually drive properly. Sure, Jeremy has got better over the years, but he's not a naturally gifted driver and he'd be the first to tell you that. The Stig only does what he's been paid / cast to do and drive 'em fast around a track - you obviously get no feedback from him on the car's driving / handling characteristics. For that reason, I have always thought that "Fifth Gear" (another UK motoring show) was better in their car review sections than Top Gear as they had presenters who were previously Race drivers (Tiff Needell and Jason Plato - and, yes I know that Tiff used to be on TG prior to 2002).

So TG Aus, is (for now) one up on the UK version, because they have the little fella, Steve Pizzati who's apparently a race driver, motoring journalist, stunt man & advanced driving instructor. Not sure what formats he's raced in though and if he's currently a race driver. I'm sure a few of us here have driven in a few races over the years, but would you describe yourself as a race driver? So out of interest, does anyone know if he IS a race driver or not? I can't find much on the web other than an entry for a Steve Pizatti as a co-driver in a Volkswagen Golf R32 in the Dutton rally in 2006.

Anyway, I'm not too sure on him for now. He needs to lift his game as I feel he's letting the presentation of the show down at this time. I've noticed the 'awkward' & 'stilted' moments regularly seem to involve him. Not saying get rid of him just yet, I don't think that's fair, but surely he has to improve if he's to stay for a 3rd series?

Jon

[Captain_Rightfoot]

So out of interest, does anyone know if he IS a race driver or not? I can't find much on the web other than an entry for a Steve Pizatti as a co-driver in a Volkswagen Golf R32 in the Dutton rally in 2006.

Jon

Pizzati is a Porsche and Audi driving instructor. I can tell you he wouldn't have got that gig unless he was a very good driver and equally good communicator. I can tell you those guys don't putter around doing "normal" defensive driving. Porsche focus on racecraft training.

Cox was an ex racing driver too but a crap presenter. You can read more about the original crewhere. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/bbcworldwide/worldwidestories/pressreleases/2008/05_may/top_gear_australia.shtml)

Now I like James May, however I disagree with you on his similarity to James Morrison. May is a trained musician but is a career journalist.. James Morrison on the other hand is a career musician (with exceptional talent) and his hobby is cars. He has competed in a number of Targa style events. I think Morrison is an excellent choice and is showing potential already IMHO.

[VladTepes]

Yeah Captain but I reckon I would have been a better choice than Steve Pizzati ! I've even neglected to shave this weekend and have the requisite facial hair.

I'd just do the Clarkson thing and make sure I got to test all the Astons !

[Panda]

Watched it tonight ... started out pretty bad, but the Masarati & the stunt driving made up for it.

[Shonky]

I watched it last night, and it was noticeably less akward. They still haven't got it down pat, but they have improved a lot I thought. :)

I'll watch it next week. :ohyes:

They are getting there! :D

[Hastykiwi]

Yeah, the pre-recorded articles, (car tests etc) are looking good, its the studio banter that still sucks, and Pizatti is the culprit of most of the tripe.

Last night i would have to say the worst moment was the 'comedian' they had in the resonably priced car. Nobody told him it should be an informal chat, and it was obvious he just launched in to his frantic stage routine, which nobody was laughing at. After some uncomfortable silences he reached his big punchline and it was only whatshisname's (cartoonist) responding laughter that got the audience to laugh along politely.

I thought the Maserati sequence was a cracker. He wasn't trying too hard with the dialogue, and beautifully shot, with some nice tyre smoking. Nicely done.

Nick

[Shonky]

Yep - gotta agree that pizza face has taken over from Charlie Cox as the source of the awkwardness. He has got better though so maybe he will lose the twitchy annoying overtones eventually.

[BigJon]

Last night i would have to say the worst moment was the 'comedian' they had in the resonably priced car. Nobody told him it should be an informal chat, and it was obvious he just launched in to his frantic stage routine, which nobody was laughing at. After some uncomfortable silences he reached his big punchline and it was only whatshisname's (cartoonist) responding laughter that got the audience to laugh along politely.

I

Absolutely cringeworthy!!

Rest of it was pretty good though.

[101RRS]

That was the worst piece of crap I have watched in a long time - the Maserati segment was the exception.

The little mouthy ferret has got to go - what a waste of space.

Garry

[14theroad]

The first series was just so try hard and was really not good. This new series is so much better. They will improve as they go on obviously.

[cjc_td5]

I have been trying to get into the show but it hasn't "got" me yet. I haven't managed to watch a full show yet without getting bored and turning the tele off to go do something else. The guest interview segment seems the worst and is where I loose interest...

James M certainly has some car skills though as the stunt driving segment showed. Looked fun!

cc

[Grover-98]

I still had that character feeling about it...as we all know the UK top gear the guys are pretty much characters...so i don't like how this top gear has the same deal. I know its owned by the same people so this is why we get that but at least they got rid of that other bloke!

[vnx205]

What seems to be happening here in a lot of cases (but probably not all cases) is that the people who have regularly persisted with the program throughout its teething problems have a higher opinion of the show than those who just watch an occasional episode or a small part of an episode.

In some cases of course that is just because different people have different tastes.

However I believe there is another influence at work here.

Time and again when I have recommended one of my favourite shows to someone else that I know has similar taste in TV to me, I have had to endure the sight of them obviously bored out of their brain, but usually too polite to say much.

The same thing has happened in reverse. I have had shows recommended to me by people whose opinion I respect, but I have been disappointed watching my first episode.

A large part of the reason that happens is because often a lot of our enjoyment of a show comes from our familiarity with the characters and the relationships between them. If we come to the show uninitiated, it is a bit like watching the antics of a lot of strangers we don't care much about.

The same sort of reaction seems to be happening here. Those who have watched most episodes know full well that Steve is trying too hard and that we will cringe at some of his performance. However because we have come to understand that that is the way he is at the moment, we either tick it off as another example to confirm our judgement of him or else we just accept it because at the moment he can't help himself. Of course we hope he will grow out of it.

I'm sure that if some of those who are praising the show were to watch their very first episode next week they would be a bit disappointed. I am equally sure that if some of those who are criticising it had made the effort to watch every episode, they would have a higher opinion of the show.

Of course some people will always hate it. There's just no pleasing some people. :p:p

[SuperMono]

I think that assessment is as close to the facts as anyone is going to get.

My 20cents.
Steve doesn't bug me at all anymore.
Warren is a natural story teller (seen Peking to Paris?)
James will be good in this show.
I dislike the 'speed enhanced' footage, if it wasn't going fast you can't make it look like it was.
The camera and production work around the track has improved greatly.
The rest of the show is well on the way, I look forward to next Monday night.

[procrastination inc]

After some uncomfortable silences he reached his big punchline and it was only whatshisname's (cartoonist) responding laughter that got the audience to laugh along politely....

I was in the audience for that. We laughed politely cause we couldn't hear Ahn over the storm rattling on the hangers tin roof.

between takes, Ahn kept the crowd entertained when the storm dumped so much water on the place that it flooded parts of the hanger floor and they had to cut the power to make the wet cables safe.

Now I know what he said, I can tell you he used the same joke during his impromptu stand up and we ****ed our selves.

Seeing the boys in action during the recording gives me faith. They are all a giggle and seem to have a genuine raport happening. If they can get some more of that background honest fun on camera, they will be doing very well.

By the way, congrats to the cast and crew for their efforts that night. The storm made it really hard, they had a loooong night but soldiered on and got the job done.

[3toes]

Just watched the last eposode of the current UK series.

First part of the show covers the Vauxhall Bathurst (Commodore) together with a new entrant to the market here the Vauxhall Maloo ute.

Let you watch to find out what they said however thought some may be interested in the track times.






Do not read further if you want to wait to see it !!









Maloo was faster around the track than the Aston DB9 and the Bathurst was 0.1 second slower than the BMW M5.

[p38arover]

Downloaded it last night - will watch later.

[Dorko]

The last show was so funny... and the maloo ute... Sexy! Love that ute!

Dorko

[Scallops]

I know it's the English version - but the academic's burnout - TV at it's finest! :D

[bolts]

Just cant get into the local Top Gear in any form the mag is as boring as the t.v show, it may be based off the British series but it seems its lost in translation on the way here on how to deliver a good show.....

Also wouldn't put any of the local presenters anywhere near a car as none of them can drive, nor commentate or deliver as a presenter.

The sooner they bin it the better for all concerned, unfortunately you cant reproduce an award winning show here, its a unique show in the UK and should be left well alone.

[VladTepes]

Gawd are we back on this again ?

[bob]

i read about 4 pages, i always make my own opinion. fact is, the first season of the british top gear wasnt much chop, the second season was abit better, and so on and such forth, like a fine wine, it got better with age, and so will the australian top gear, i dont mind it, i personally would have chopped the cartoon guy, i find his voice annoying, im sure hes a nice guy, i dont know him personally, i found the little guy quite good when he did top gear live, the boy can drive, obviously, i think alittle less time test driving cars like 5th gear, and more time having fun. contrary to popular belief the show isnt made of money and they nearly got ****canned after the last season cause of the amount of money that they spent on broken cars, they exist on the courtesy of the car companys, im fairly certain that sbs or bbc cant afford to constantly buy new cars for the show. my 2cents worth.

bob

[rastus]

Agree.

I thought it was no better than the first season and turned off after 10 minutes of cringe.

gonna back you up here...not a lot of "wow", but alot of cringe:D.
i didnt even make it 10 minutes in!
there is only one top gear im affraid... U.K. top gear.
this is one thing the poms can do way better than us,along with the odd game of test cricket!:eek::D

[Lost Landy]

I though the Aussie version was quite crap!

[nzlandies]

I actually like the two side kicks. They are their own people and are funny in their own right. The guy that takes Jeremys role is C..K!