RR Classic Child Restraints

[big_waity]

Hey guys, I'm a new owner of a 1990 Range Rover Vogue. Loving it!
My question is this - I want to know if there is a child restraint point anywhere. I had a look around but couldn't see anything. A mate suggested looking under the carpet and above the hood ling. I'm really not keen on removing the hood lining if it's for nothing. Can anyone tell me where to start looking?

Cheers, Waity.

[BigJon]

My 10/87 build had aftermarket ones fitted.

One in the floor behind the rear seat for the centre position and one in each rear wheelarch for the side positions.

I have removed the wheelarch ones as the tyres fouled on the bolts. The floor mounted one is still there and has been used.

[British Bulldog]

Hey
My 85 model has one in the center in the roof not sure if its aftermarket or not but it may be worth while dropping the rear edge of the head lining and having a look.

[Rooballer]

I have a 92, in the roof lining directly above the tailgate (below the speakers) there is a round plastic plug on either side, inline with the centre of each of the back seats. When you remove these plugs there is a threaded hole there that a child restraint anchor bolt will screw directly into.
I hope this makes sense.

[GuyG]

I've got a 1990 rangie (not the vogue though) and it doesn't have any standard child restraint points under the carpet, I can't comment about above the roof lining as I haven't had it out.

I do however have an aftermarket one which fits between the rear wheel arches although its not fitted as a) I don't have kids and b) it wouldn't fit with the draws which have just been installed.

Where are you located?

[big_waity]

I've got a 1990 rangie (not the vogue though) and it doesn't have any standard child restraint points under the carpet, I can't comment about above the roof lining as I haven't had it out.

I do however have an aftermarket one which fits between the rear wheel arches although its not fitted as a) I don't have kids and b) it wouldn't fit with the draws which have just been installed.

Where are you located?

I'm in Maryborough, QLD.


Thanks for your suggestions guys. I'll pull down the corner of the roof lining and have a look. I'll let you know how I go.

[markb]

I think it was only the last couple of years in the classic Range Rover that they had the threaded holes in the roof for a child restraint. Ritter in Melbourne have a kit that they install in the roof for models that done have the threaded holes as standard.

[Scouse]

I think it was only the last couple of years in the classic Range Rover that they had the threaded holes in the roof for a child restraint. Correct.
You can actually buy the genuine brackets from LR but when you see how flimsy they are, you won't want to fit them.
I copied the basic design but used 5 mm plate instead & reinforced the roof section too. Mine ain't budging.

[big_waity]

Correct.
You can actually buy the genuine brackets from LR but when you see how flimsy they are, you won't want to fit them.
I copied the basic design but used 5 mm plate instead & reinforced the roof section too. Mine ain't budging.

Hey mate, could you post up some pics of the mounts that you have used?

I've just had a good look at it. I was gonna try some different ways of hooking it in but nothing I felt comfortable with. I will need to install something aftermarket.

[Scouse]

Here's what I made. The first piccy is the basic design of the genuine bracket but I used 5mm plate rather than the approx 1mm plate that LR use.
However, I made mine even stronger by welding on side sections too as in the 2nd photo.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/512.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/513.jpg


This is the plate that goes behind the inner roof panel. LR appear to not use any form of a plate here. The late model RR I looked at with the factory restraints just had nuts & regular washers behind the panel.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/514.jpg

Fitted up. LR use 6mm bolts (10mm head), I used 8mm (13mm head):
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1096.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/515.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/05/516.jpg

I have not had these engineered at all but I have built cars in the past & have made, fitted & had engineered seat belts into cars that were never designed for them.
These mounts are plenty strong enough for the job, probably overkill actually.

[big_waity]

Thanks for the pics there Scott. Really gives me a good idea of where to go from here. Are there bolts holes already there in the roof or did you have to drill some? Certainly wouldn't doubt the integrity of that bracket, it looks very strong.
Cheers.

[Scouse]

There were no bolt holes in the body. I made & mounted 3 brackets while I was doing the job & just spaced them evenly. There are a couple of access holes in the roof panel & the brackets fitted neatly between them.

[Grimace]

Correct.
You can actually buy the genuine brackets from LR but when you see how flimsy they are, you won't want to fit them.
I copied the basic design but used 5 mm plate instead & reinforced the roof section too. Mine ain't budging.

Sorry to dig up an old thread but this is something that has been annoying me for awhile and as mentioned by Scouse, I wanted to show everyone the flimsy and quit frankly ridiculous factory mount that is fitted to the roof of the classic range rover.

All three mounts along the roof are identical...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[DoubleChevron]

Sorry to dig up an old thread but this is something that has been annoying me for awhile and as mentioned by Scouse, I wanted to show everyone the flimsy and quit frankly ridiculous factory mount that is fitted to the roof of the classic range rover.

All three mounts along the roof are identical...
http://imageshack.us/a/img34/8794/w3ld.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img40/8614/iyk1.jpg

Bugger me .... I was considering sticking a kids seat into the back of the classic here................ There's not a hope in hell I'd use that. You might as well just drill a hole in the boot floor, and drop the mounting in from there. You would just put a plate (basically HUGE washer) on from underneath when you put the nut so the bolt can't pull through.

seeya,
Shane L.

[Dougal]

Just remember guys. The top tether isn't the only anchor for a kids seat. Factory sheet metal may be very easy to bend, but it's very difficult to do apart. The deformation helps reduce impact forces.

[350RRC]

Fitted up. LR use 6mm bolts (10mm head), I used 8mm (13mm head):
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1096.jpg



Bit surprised ........... my 74 2 door body had a pair of upper rear seat belt mounting points roughly where the philips head screw is in the far right of this photo. The 81 2 door body I have used for yonks has the same.

The lower mounts are in the wheel arches behind the rear seat.

Buckle mounts are in the floor. All stock. Mounts for the centre rear lap belt are in the floor, again stock.

Have seen posts on this subject in the past and was under the impression these threaded positions were carried over into the 4 door era.

cheers, DL

[Grimace]

Just remember guys. The top tether isn't the only anchor for a kids seat. Factory sheet metal may be very easy to bend, but it's very difficult to do apart. The deformation helps reduce impact forces.

I think I could rip one of these mounts out with my bare hands. That's not good enough.
As a minimum I would like to replace the two securing screws with some nuts and bolts.

[Dougal]

I think I could rip one of these mounts out with my bare hands. That's not good enough.

Please do and post pics.

Even mild steel M6 screws take about 400kg each before they yield. That's 800kg for a pair. Going bigger is pointless.

[POD]

Dunno what the problem is, those stock mounts will hold a child seat down just fine. Just don't put a child in it, and whatever you do don't have an accident.

[POD]

Please do and post pics.

Even mild steel M6 screws take about 400kg each before they yield. That's 800kg for a pair. Going bigger is pointless.

If that is correct, then based on a standard weight-for-age (which are generally under-estimations given the increasing size of the population) for a 5 year-old child being 18kg, an anchor capable of supporting 800kg would fail under a crash deceleration of somewhere around 45g. Given that the flimsy-looking bracket will slow the deceleration somewhat by deforming, it would take a massive frontal impact to produce 45g at the bolts. But I still don't like the look of them!
(nb this is based on the rear anchor point taking the whole of the deceleration load, which it will not do as there is also a seat-belt anchoring the lower part of the child restraint).

[Dougal]

If that is correct, then based on a standard weight-for-age (which are generally under-estimations given the increasing size of the population) for a 5 year-old child being 18kg, an anchor capable of supporting 800kg would fail under a crash deceleration of somewhere around 45g. Given that the flimsy-looking bracket will slow the deceleration somewhat by deforming, it would take a massive frontal impact to produce 45g at the bolts. But I still don't like the look of them!
(nb this is based on the rear anchor point taking the whole of the deceleration load, which it will not do as there is also a seat-belt anchoring the lower part of the child restraint).

Yield is not breaking point either. Double your 45g and see how the child crash-test-dummy looks after that test.

As I mentioned before, this isn't the sole restraint for any child seat and it's not just the bracket holding the load. You have to follow any loads right through until you've either deformed enough metal to absorb the impact and reduce the load or resolved it back to the supporting structure.

Has anyone crashed their RRC using these anchors or otherwise broken them?
Or are we just making stuff up on the internet again?

[DoubleChevron]

Yield is not breaking point either. Double your 45g and see how the child crash-test-dummy looks after that test.

As I mentioned before, this isn't the sole restraint for any child seat and it's not just the bracket holding the load. You have to follow any loads right through until you've either deformed enough metal to absorb the impact and reduce the load or resolved it back to the supporting structure.

Has anyone crashed their RRC using these anchors or otherwise broken them?
Or are we just making stuff up on the internet again?

They sure do look to crappy for me to be satisfied using, though I'm sure they do meet the safety standards at the time and would be unlikely to fail .... Here's another thought though. If something big runs into the back. The mounting point will be comprised either way (why would you put them at the very back edge of the car .... that'll crush if impacted ? ).

Would they be better installed on the floor just behind the back seat. That way you have your usable loading space without straps running through it too.

seeya,
Shane L.

[Grimace]

Or are we just making stuff up on the Internet again?

Clearly we are making stuff up. These mounts are not even real, them pictures are computer animated.
I don't even have a RRC!

EDIT: I would also like to make up the fact that all six of the screws holding the three separate restraints on my imaginary RRC were loose when I removed the made up hood lining.

[Dougal]

Clearly we are making stuff up. These mounts are not even real, them pictures are computer animated.
I don't even have a RRC!

By definition all images on the internet are computer generated.;)


EDIT: I would also like to make up the fact that all six of the screws holding the three separate restraints on my imaginary RRC were loose when I removed the made up hood lining.

Sounds about normal for the ratio of loose screws on any landrover product over 10 years.

[Davo]

I got one of these put in, which I reckoned was the easiest and safest design:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=65488&stc=1&d=1379051783

[BigJon]

Would they be better installed on the floor just behind the back seat. That way you have your usable loading space without straps running through it too.

seeya,
Shane L.

That is what I have done with mine. No issues thus far.