SWB/LWB

[Grover-98]

Hey guys i have been chasing a SWB Series III for a fair while now but it has become apparent he is going to die with it (he has had it since new) so i have decided to look else where for now... But then i have been told a good idea would be to get the 2A...So the search began. There is a LWB 1970 2A for sale just a couple blocks from here and i had a look this arvo (no pics so we will have to pretend i didn't) :P...But after looking over it i noticed it was in very good condition! few extras

winch
Bull Bar
UHF
Spotties

And it was the 186 with 53,000 Miles on the clock. Now this all looked great, but i am much keener on the SWB!!! i want this to be a offroad no compramise vehicle and i feel the SWB would be a more capable truck. What are your comments on the SWB/LWB discussion?

Kind Regards James. :)

[HBWC]

the swb will get you thurther due to the rampover angle but is more likely roll and get you into troble that is where thelwb exels its more stable can carry more of your gear
it all depends where you want to go if you play ground is only a day trip go the swb but if you want to travel and camp go the lwb

[Grover-98]

the swb will get you thurther due to the rampover angle but is more likely roll and get you into troble that is where thelwb exels its more stable can carry more of your gear
it all depends where you want to go if you play ground is only a day trip go the swb but if you want to travel and camp go the lwb

Cheers!

I was liking the SWB due to the ramp over and departure angle being better! :)...But when i was looking at the LWB i was imagining how awesome it would be for camping with the empty rear and roof rack! :D...Normally i would like to just play for a day in mud water rocks...But i am starting to like the idea of being able to go somewhere and happily sleep in the back on an actual mattress :cool:...

As for the LWB being more stable? how so...they have the same track width? are you referring to on a steep climb? If you wouldn't mind explaining this i would highly appreciate it! :)

Kind regards! James.

[HBWC]

its all to do with the lenght the swb will go on its side easyer due to waight distrubution on will flip end to to like you said
you just have to look at zooks to see it and why the lwbs are sorght after in them. you drop say a front wheel in in a hole in a swb due to the waight beeing put to the ground and the angles on the diagnal wheels being grater it will tip quicker but dont let that put you of a swb
i now i have 2a swb (ive want one for a while) i also had a swb patrol for fun (i have sold her to fund the landy) it was grate but i have a ute set up for camping and touring
what im trying to say what about two vehical one for touring and one for fun

[Grover-98]

its all to do with the lenght the swb will go on its side easyer due to waight distrubution on will flip end to to like you said
you just have to look at zooks to see it and why the lwbs are sorght after in them. you drop say a front wheel in in a hole in a swb due to the waight beeing put to the ground and the angles on the diagnal wheels being grater it will tip quicker but dont let that put you of a swb
i now i have 2a swb (ive want one for a while) i also had a swb patrol for fun (i have sold her to fund the landy) it was grate but i have a ute set up for camping and touring
what im trying to say what about two vehicles one for touring and one for fun

I can see where your coming from now... Yeah i would love it to of been a SWB but the long has its advantages but to the cost of a little off road capabilities... But i would imagine it to still be a great off roader! :)

[B92 8NW]

How much do you anticipate spending?

[isuzurover]

IME a LWB series is more capable offroad than a SWB series (or can be made so with very little effort).

The 88" has better rampover angle, better departure angle, better turning circle, is lighter, and comes standard with softer springs, but the advantages end there.

The 109" is much more stable and controlled when climbing or descending steep hills, able to drive through holes which would see an 88" stuck/cross axled, and is much more comfortable to drive.

Shorties are more prone to the rear trying to overtake the front when descending steep (slippery) hills. There are also quite a few instances when a shorty has rolled end-over-end when climbing or descending steep hills.

Finally, a salisbury will bolt straight into a 109" IIA, and you can carry at least twice the load a shorty can (size and mass).

EDIT - have a look at any serious competition 4x4 - they are almost all 100-120"

[Grover-98]

How much do you anticipate spending?

Not a lot i already have a Disco so the series will be a toy only...so 2K?

[digger]

IME a LWB series is more capable offroad than a LWB series "

**scratches head**

"ke?":D:wasntme:

[Blknight.aus]

makes sense to me...

the only thing more capable than a LWB series is another LWB series.
;)

[isuzurover]

**scratches head**

"ke?":D:wasntme:

Thanks. Fixed now.

[ezyrama]

Hey guys i have been chasing a SWB Series III for a fair while now but it has become apparent he is going to die with it (he has had it since new) so i have decided to look else where for now... But then i have been told a good idea would be to get the 2A...So the search began. There is a LWB 1970 2A for sale just a couple blocks from here and i had a look this arvo (no pics so we will have to pretend i didn't) :P...But after looking over it i noticed it was in very good condition! few extras

winch
Bull Bar
UHF
Spotties

And it was the 186 with 53,000 Miles on the clock. Now this all looked great, but i am much keener on the SWB!!! i want this to be a offroad no compramise vehicle and i feel the SWB would be a more capable truck. What are your comments on the SWB/LWB discussion?

Kind Regards James. :)

Hi Grover
I know where there is a series 3 LWB in Rydalmere in Sydney. He's an old guy who can't work on it anymore. If your interested give me a call 0448799102 and I will put you in contact with him.

Regards Ian

[Shonky]

Matt green hard top with a 186 red in it by chance Rama? ;)

Same bloke owns a SWB with a Toyota diesel?

[ezyrama]

That's the bloke, I just bought the SWB, but the transport guys just phoned me and said it is still in their yard and they can't start it. The old owner is going over to get it going for them.

[Shonky]

Good guessing. :)

Yer it's not a bad little truck. ;) Body is fairly straight and there is little rust in it.

I have a vid of the engine running if you want it? I'll PM you.

[ezyrama]

Thanks Mate, That'll be great

Cheers Ezy

[isuzutoo-eh]

Ezyrama,
Shonky and I checked out the Landies you talk about, I was looking to buy the 2a last year but he wouldn't accept my deposit!

Here are photos and vid of the 88" 2a you bought:
2a_88 pictures by Burra2a - Photobucket (http://s418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/Burra2a/2a_88/)

and a few photos of the Holdenised S3 109"
S3_109 pictures by Burra2a - Photobucket (http://s418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/Burra2a/S3_109/)

Cheers,
Mark

[ezyrama]

Thanks for that. I hope it's half decent, I know I can't expect perfection in a 50 yr old car, but I am looking forward
to getting it here so I can play with it. The transport company seem to have big company syndrome,(OH&S crud) they can't get it to start
so they can drive it onto the transporter and they say say no-one there knows anything about cars,I told her they were truckies
and were dealing with a diesel, if someone there can't get it started there is something wrong.

Regards Ian

[Grover-98]

Oright well after looking at the LWB with its positives for camping. I was curious what a good price would be.

It apears to be in straight condition, has 53,000 Miles on the clock, Winch, Bull Bar, Spot lights and UHF and alloy roof rack. Reasonably worn mudd terrain tyres. It is a 1970 2A with overdrive 186 motor conversion.

I know it is hard for you guys to know exactly what price is good but its up for offers, so i would like to know what would be a reasonable price :) Wouldn't mind getting the LWB as it would be good to get out for a w.e now and then and just sleep in the back :)

[JDNSW]

Oright well after looking at the LWB with its positives for camping. I was curious what a good price would be.

It apears to be in straight condition, has 53,000 Miles on the clock, Winch, Bull Bar, Spot lights and UHF and alloy roof rack. Reasonably worn mudd terrain tyres. It is a 1970 2A with overdrive 186 motor conversion.

I know it is hard for you guys to know exactly what price is good but its up for offers, so i would like to know what would be a reasonable price :) Wouldn't mind getting the LWB as it would be good to get out for a w.e now and then and just sleep in the back :)

It is almost impossible to give a figure on that information. It all depends on condition. Key factors are rust and general condition. If it is registered and roadworthy, it could be worth as much as $1500, but watch out for expensive problems, or even a lot of inexpensive ones - they add up! One thing to watch in particular is the overdrive. These are fairly fragile and expensive to repair, but pretty necessary with that engine.

John

[Grover-98]

So what key parts should i be looking at?

Rust on the firewall? Overdrive? any other key parts which are common failures?

[JDNSW]

Not just rust on the firewall - chassis, particularly base of outriggers and rear crossmember, door frames, particularly door tops, radiator support.

Look at the springs - look for rust that is spreading the leaves, look for broken leaves. Look for spring bushes that do not have the pin central in the eye (means bush has had it).

Brakes - good pedal, work well, no hydraulic leaks.

Clutch - works, no hydraulic leak.

Look at how well the engine mod has been done - and is it properly documented?

Front wheels sitting upright. No more than 50mm play on the steering wheel.

Gears including low range and four wheel drive work.

Electrics all work

Exhaust system complete and no leaks

None of these are major items, but they can add up very rapidly.

The Holden engine is not trouble prone, but may be well worn. The gearbox and transfer case should be OK, but expect oil leaks.

Rear axle is a bit weak in the lwb, but is probably OK, and you can get them fairly cheaply anyway.

Steering box and steering relay rarely give trouble unless run dry, but all the tie rod ends should be checked.

Hope this helps,
John

[Grover-98]

Just on topic of the front wheels, when i had a look at it the other day, they did seem to sit funny to me they appeared to be positively cambered. ;) is this what you are referring to and what is this a result of?

Cheers guys, i think im sold on the LWB option. Also money wise how much petter does the 186 use in the LWB im a fairy behind the wheel, as i can't afford to put the boot in. And parts etc how are they?

Cheers guys!

[B92 8NW]

Just on topic of the front wheels, when i had a look at it the other day, they did seem to sit funny to me they appeared to be positively cambered. ;) is this what you are referring to and what is this a result of?

Cheers guys, i think im sold on the LWB option. Also money wise how much petter does the 186 use in the LWB im a fairy behind the wheel, as i can't afford to put the boot in. And parts etc how are they?

Cheers guys!

Parts are easily obtainable and cheap from Repco type places etc - that was basically the idea behind the GM conversions. I've had no trouble getting points, rotor buttons, air filters, ignition leads, thermo housings etc for the red engines.

I rarely get 250km from a 40-45L fill, so expect 16-18 L/100km.