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incisor
23rd May 2009, 09:23 AM
they didnt like me getting into one of their vehicles..

had to go to maryborough to adjust a 60w laser for a client and hitched a ride with an electrician who had to repair a switch on the unit.

he drives a toyota hiace with the usual racking etc in the rear...

5 klms south of maryborough we hear an almighty rumble and the truck does a bit of a dance...

bugger!

Pedro_The_Swift
23rd May 2009, 09:30 AM
bugger!:o


did you find the wheel?:p

incisor
23rd May 2009, 09:35 AM
took an hour but we found it....

was fairly stuffed :p

Slunnie
23rd May 2009, 10:18 AM
It that Toyota can make 1 good wheel stud from 5.

BTW, what happened to the top leaf? Its got a big bend in it.

Bigbjorn
23rd May 2009, 10:54 AM
Trick photography. Toyotas NEVER break down, don't you know. Have you not been paying attention to their owners speeches.

lardy
23rd May 2009, 11:05 AM
ah this is what is known in toyota circles as "proper rooted" this according to toyota owners only happens to Land Rovers ...just have a look next time you see this van that it doesn't say lode lane on the vin plate

willem
23rd May 2009, 11:23 AM
they didnt like me getting into one of their vehicles..

had to go to maryborough to adjust a 60w laser for a client and hitched a ride with an electrician who had to repair a switch on the unit.

he drives a toyota hiace with the usual racking etc in the rear...

5 klms south of maryborough we hear an almighty rumble and the truck does a bit of a dance...

bugger!

Oh what a feeling! :p:p:p

I know the feeling! :(:(:(

Blog Archive And the wheel fell off! (http://www.australianstory.net.au/willemsblogs/?p=9)


Willem

Tank
23rd May 2009, 11:30 AM
Finding the wheel wouldn't have helped much with those broken studs, what are they 3/8" or 7/16", maybe toyota should use Land Rover studs 5/8", Regards Frank.

dmdigital
23rd May 2009, 11:30 AM
Got to love HiAce, and HiLux wheel studs. I'm sure they make Toyota parts suppliers a LOT of money.

It's probably a very safe bet they were over tightened.

JDNSW
23rd May 2009, 12:01 PM
That looks very familiar - when I first used Landcruisers in Central Australia in the mid sixties we always carried half a dozen new studs and nuts in the glovebox. The trick is to recognise the behaviour when the wheel starts to get loose, but there are still two or three studs holding, so the wheel is not seriously damaged. With a bit of practice and the tools that came with the Landcruiser then (they had a better toolkit than Landrover - included quite a big hammer!) you can replace a broken stud in about ten minutes maximum.

I think that they must have had a problem with heat treatment, not helped by the small PCD and flimsy studs.

John

Bushwanderer
23rd May 2009, 02:06 PM
I'd say that maintenance is an issue, one of those studs appears to have sheared off quite some time ago.

Best Wishes,
Peter

Bigbjorn
23rd May 2009, 02:10 PM
I don't quite see the point of having the fusible links at the extreme end of the power train.

Early Land Cruisers had a poor clutch. When owners put in a HD after-market clutch they found out why. The diff. centre would then poop itself. Toyota saved itself an expensive redesign of the rear axle assembly by installing a weak clutch.

Chucaro
23rd May 2009, 03:09 PM
Oh!! what a feeling...Toyota :D

scarry
23rd May 2009, 05:49 PM
Yep,overtightened wheel nuts for sure:(
One of the few things that dosn't happen to Land Rovers:),as they have well sized wheel studs.

This is the reason i always use a torque wrench

Sprint
23rd May 2009, 06:15 PM
interesting to note the bent top leaf, recent work on the brakes and evidence that one of the wheel studs had failed a while ago......

Disco95
23rd May 2009, 10:21 PM
Can't say I've seen this happen, but, DAMN you hear about it a lot:eek:
Tojos losing wheels.
I've followed an HQ wheel and axle down the road once though.:D

A Commodore cant 4x4
24th May 2009, 09:37 AM
fully sik bro. Im goinz to lowaz mi Corolla dat low.



Sorry, thats the first thng that popped into my head :D

Yeah thats pretty poor. Im sure if that had injured someone in another vehicle, the Police accident investigators would have had a field day with that.

lardy
24th May 2009, 01:25 PM
That looks very familiar - when I first used Landcruisers in Central Australia in the mid sixties we always carried half a dozen new studs and nuts in the glovebox. The trick is to recognise the behaviour when the wheel starts to get loose, but there are still two or three studs holding, so the wheel is not seriously damaged. With a bit of practice and the tools that came with the Landcruiser then (they had a better toolkit than Landrover - included quite a big hammer!) you can replace a broken stud in about ten minutes maximum.

I think that they must have had a problem with heat treatment, not helped by the small PCD and flimsy studs.

John

i think you can get bubbles of gas forming in the drop forge process that weakens the metal overtime it's happened in car parts production and airframe production i was reading just the other day in an article by triple j's Dr Karl.
I wonder if this apparent in toy's as you guys seem to think its an issue, crickey makes me glad i never bought one and stayed true to myself, not only do toy's roll over because of the narrow track but the wheels fall off too!!

the only other instance of this happening was on mg spitfires i remember turn left/right the wheel continues on down the road was a common feature

BMKal
25th May 2009, 10:49 AM
Well just to put forward a different view - I used to run a Hi-ace van as a pilot vehicle. It was one of the earlier 2.4 diesels. When I sold it (traded on an F100 with 6.5 Chev diesel), it had 1,000,000 km on the clock. Of these, I had done 750,000 k's myself since buying it from a deceased estate.

Problems I had in that time -

- Timing gear came adrift because somebody had removed the gear holding bolt and not used loctite or similar when replacing it on a timing belt change prior to me purchasing it (there is no need to even remove the timing gear to change the belt on one of these engines).

- Two gearboxes - both failes cluster gears, caused by me using 5th gear when I shouldn't have been (sign up). Both times, got home with 4th gear only.

- Two front & one rear wheel bearing failures - got home on all three.

- Floor lining under drivers seat caught fire due to hole in exhaust blowing hot gases up under floor in 40 degree weather going north. Put fire out with can of coke and temporary fix to exhaust with caterer's coffee tin (from roadhouse) and fencing wire.

- The only time this van ever failed to get me home without repairs was early in the piece when the timimg gear let go and the camshaft did a bit of a tap-dance around the top of the head.

- On one early trip out to Nifty Copper mine (past Telfer), I scrubbed out a complete set of near new steel radial tyres - had to replace all 4 at Port Hedland on the way back, and went to 8 ply light truck tyres after this with never another tyre problem.

I never experienced any problems with wheel studs and can't ever remember having to replace any.

It was a bugger to get the jack under if you had a flat tyre - you either had to use two jacks or drive up onto something first so that you could get the standard Toyota supplied jack under the suspension (have also experienced this problem with Landcruisers and Prado's). Seems that Toyota only design their car jacks to fit under if you still have air in the tyres.

Given where this vehicle went and some of the things it was put through, I'd have to say that it was, without any doubt, the most reliable vehicle that I have ever owned and will ever own.

PAT303
25th May 2009, 11:01 AM
The long K's do that,it's no different to falcon taxi's that rack up a million plus k's with out any issues.The thing that kills mechanicals is the cold morning starts and undertemp running,IMHO it makes a mockery of the claim that 5000k oil changes makes your engine last longer,it's a waste of good oil. Pat

malsgoing130
25th May 2009, 11:26 AM
Had a Rodeo that used to snap at least 1 stud per wheel when changing wheels , I always wondered when they would let go while driving. Terribly weak rubbish and they where never over tightened!!! Mate of mine has a pootrol that also snaps a stud or 2 each time the wheels are removed- they also have 'up rated' after market spares. Seems to be a japanese vehicle 'problem' as some one earlier said- fusable link! pitty its at the important end of the drive train!
Mal

incisor
25th May 2009, 01:00 PM
i was so excited about it i've gone and bought a 76 hi-ace campervan off ebay.

pick it up later in the week from 200 metres down the road :D:D

wasnt a bad score for $1700 IMHO

i'll be sure to check the wheels are on properly before i drive it home :P

BMKal
25th May 2009, 03:16 PM
i was so excited about it i've gone and bought a 76 hi-ace campervan off ebay.

pick it up later in the week from 200 metres down the road :D:D

wasnt a bad score for $1700 IMHO

i'll be sure to check the wheels are on properly before i drive it home :P

That's not a bad looking camper at all for the price.

My mum has this one down in Tassie - we use it if we fly over there on holidays. Saves us having to drive across pulling the camper trailer every trip.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2046/dscf0849c.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0849c.jpg)