View Full Version : Swapping a toyota engine into my 110 defender need some help
wany
28th May 2009, 08:05 AM
Hi i have a 110 defender its been sitting down for a while and i mean a while like 6 years or so , finally decided to fix it up the engine had blown a long time ago and i always wanted to do an engine swap never had the money or the time?
so i finally trying to get it done
I been reading on different forum that you can use the same gear box and mount a toyota 3L engine in the 110 defender and it works fine does any one have any info on this or what other engine might be a good idea.
The reason i choose Toyota because the parts are abundant in my country and cheaper than most engine.
SO any recommendation on another engine or what engine would be better
or if any one knows another forum i can get help that would also be great
OHH the old engine some my mechanics stole parts a long time ago and i just don;t want to use a landrover engine unless its the last alternative.
I prefer to have a diesel engine and (turbo would be a plus)
i did a bit research and found you can also put in the 3B engine.
has any done this and what engine did you put in and how hard was it and how well does it work
harlie
28th May 2009, 08:18 AM
Definitely would not use a 3L, they are really light and do not last. If you want to go Toyota - how about a 1KZ-TE (3.0 turbo)?
wally
28th May 2009, 10:02 AM
With a 3B it would be very slow.
By the way, what country are you in?
wany
28th May 2009, 10:41 AM
Definitely would not use a 3L, they are really light and do not last. If you want to go Toyota - how about a 1KZ-TE (3.0 turbo)?
Well i never heard of any one putting in a 1KZ-TE in 110 defender ( so i am not sure how possible. do you know of any one having that engine in a defender
I am in guyana south america
Chucaro
28th May 2009, 10:55 AM
In which country are you? If you are in a country in South America I would fit the 2.8 Inter which have more power than the Tdi300 and parts are ready available in Brazil
Cheers
isuzurover
28th May 2009, 12:01 PM
The 3B is a reasonable engine, and I have seen a couple of converted FC101s which went OK (they used the toyota box and t-case IRC).
However if it was me I would use the 13B(T), which is the direct injection replacement of the indirect injection 3B (both engines have the same bottom end IRC). The 13B(T) produces more power and torque, and would be more fuel efficient.
Someone years ago said they fitted one in a range rover using a Toyota Dyna bellhousing, and a simple adaptor plate to mate with an LT95.
Then there is also the ISUZU range of engines - such as the 4BD1(T) found in ISUZU and GMC trucks (GMC4000 or 4400 IRC).
rar110
28th May 2009, 02:54 PM
Years ago I went for a drive in a old range rover with a LT95 and a Toyota Dyna 4cyl diesel fitted. It went great. He used the Toyota bell housing which is short and fabricated two plates. One to fit the LT95 and the other the Toyota bell housing. He then joint the two plates with tube (I think it was tube cut in half with straight sides). The tube was smaller than the plates so could just weld it all together. He got an engineering place to make a shaft to go between the motor and box.
I thought it was a really good alternative to adapter plates at the gearbox or bell housing. It was possible because the bell housing was so short. I'm sure there was probably other stuff he had to do.
cal415
28th May 2009, 05:11 PM
I wouldnt use a 1kz-te, i have one in my prado, although not a bad motor i would surely swap it for a TD5 or TDI any day, they just dont have enough go and for a little 3l diesel they are really thirsty.
Michael2
28th May 2009, 05:33 PM
In which country are you? If you are in a country in South America I would fit the 2.8 Inter which have more power than the Tdi300 and parts are ready available in Brazil
Cheers
What he said.
The International HS2.8 Turbo deisel came as standard on South American Ford Ranger utilities. It's a 300Tdi derivative with a bigger Tubo, vaccuum pump on the alternator and a few other improvements. It will fit straight it. Many people in Australia fit these engines to Defenders.
rick130
29th May 2009, 07:50 AM
For ease of fitment I'd go the MWM-International HS2.8 TGV or WG too, particularly if you are replacing a 300Tdi.
As Michael said it was fitted to the South American Ford Ranger from around 2004 up to last year or so, so there are lots of parts new and used right through Argentina, Brazil and I assume your country too.
wany
29th May 2009, 12:15 PM
Honestly no those engines are not that early available in my country the only engines that are easily available including parts is Toyota and Nissan the reason why because a 98 percent of all the vehicles in my country are Nissan and Toyota.
And to bring engines in my country cost alot because of taxes and duty. you would end up paying at least at least 100 percent on an engine of that size if you bring it in the country. the reason why i can buy an engine from some on is because they smuggle the engine in the country and don't pay taxes and duty on them so they work out to be far cheaper
my country is really corrupted country but that another story
so my choice are very limted to toyota and nissan i have read that people have put isuzi engine in 110 defender even though you might find the engine parts for the engine are hard to find
Ohh just one other thing is the toyota 1kz-te use timing belt or chain? i rather use timing chain or just gears because i have experience where timing belt burst on my landrover engine and damage values and alot other crap
rick130
29th May 2009, 01:12 PM
Honestly no those engines are not that early available in my country
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Bugger, I suppose that's what happens when I assume something....
Shame you can't easily slip an HS2.8 over the border. :(
The only reason the Isuzu is mentioned is that the 3.9 litre 4BD1 was factory fitted here from about 1979 through to around 1990, so there are parts and bits to easily fit them.
wany
29th May 2009, 08:56 PM
Concerning the Toyota 1KZ-TE. That the electronically injected version and the thing is my defender is really old some i think its 1980 or before then i am not too sure and the wiring harness is very simple wiring harness so i won't it be hard to fit up the ECU ect. Or when you buy the engine it comes with the ecu and everything and its a matter of plugging it up and adapting it to the existing wiring harness.
Don't think i should go with the 1KZ-TE but the 1KZ-T because its much more trouble hook up all those electronic for the 1KZ-TE can some give some more in sight on this
wany
31st May 2009, 06:19 AM
actually i found a 1KZ-T engine today look good condition but i need to know how to distinguish between the EFI setup and non EFI setup because the guys said the engine is not EFI but i want to make sure because if i buy it and then find out it is i cannot return it
lambrover
31st May 2009, 05:27 PM
the efi diesels I have seen have a throttle body with air sensors and throttle position sensors on the intake manifold and the fuel pump has more electrical wires going to it than normal and has what looks like a black box attatched to the pump, and if it was turboed it would have a boost sensor as well. I would stay away from the efi engine.
wany
1st June 2009, 12:57 AM
the efi diesels I have seen have a throttle body with air sensors and throttle position sensors on the intake manifold and the fuel pump has more electrical wires going to it than normal and has what looks like a black box attatched to the pump, and if it was turboed it would have a boost sensor as well. I would stay away from the efi engine.
i don't want to use an efi engine but i want to be able to tell the difference between the efi and non efi version because i don't want any one selling me an engine thinking that its a none efi and find out later that it is
another thing would the efi version engine have wires going to the injectors
lambrover
1st June 2009, 04:49 PM
the toyota efi engines I have worked on DO NOT have wires to the injectors they are to look at the same as a standard motor, the electrical stuff is connected to the fuel pump and the pump has several plugs going to it, most diesel engines that have wires coming from the injectors are common rail injection. A standard engine with a rotory fuel pump non efi should only have one electrical wire going to the fuel pump and that is to the fuel shut off solenoid, (most later engines run a rotory pump)
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