Any one after a Hummer?

[dmdigital]

In the news today: GM sells Hummer brand to Chinese firm (http://business.theage.com.au/business/gm-sells-hummer-brand-to-chinese-firm-20090603-buly.html)

So now the question is: "What will the good bad guy US marines drive in the upcoming Hollywood films?"

[isuzurover]

In the news today: GM sells Hummer brand to Chinese firm (http://business.theage.com.au/business/gm-sells-hummer-brand-to-chinese-firm-20090603-buly.html)

So now the question is: "What will the good bad guy US marines drive in the upcoming Hollywood films?"

The chinese have/are buying the civvie spec hummer (think POS/weak ute with a hummer body). The mil HMMWVs (gen 1 hummers or whatever they are called) are a completely different beast, built elsewhere, and are not being sold.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yes it's very important to keep the HMMWV (High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle or Humvee) and Hummer separate in your mind. That is particularly true of the mass market civilianised H2 and H3 models.

The Humvee was originally created for the US military by American Motors General (the military arm of the AM Corporation) AM Corp was purchased by Chrysler who produced the Jeep while the rights to the Hummer name were sold to GM. AM General were sold to a defence contractor LTV Aerospace and Defence who continued to make the H2 for GM but GM plants built the H3. It is the Hummer name that has been sold to the Chinese.

Diana

[101RRS]

Spot on Diana - the HumVee and the Hummer are completely different vehicles made by different companies - it just so happens their appearance is similar at a passing glance.

The Hummer is actually a Chev Suburban that was sold here 8-10 years ago with a different body on it.

I guess that seeing GM will no longer make the Hummer - there will be good runout deals but the car will wither on the vine here - glad I didn't buy one - not that I ever considered them.

Garry

[JDNSW]

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The Hummer is actually a Chev Suburban that was sold here 8-10 years ago with a different body on it.
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Considering the Suburban was a bit of a flop here, it is a bit difficult to see why the Hummer would be more successful.

Worth noting that the Suburban and similar vehicles from Ford, Chrysler (Dodge) and IH, who originated the idea, are four door wagons on pickup chassis, with a driving front axle added to some models as a late afterthought. First appeared about thirty or forty years ago, and until recently have been reasonably popularin the US, particularly in rural areas. This type of vehicle has never been popular in Australia, its role being taken by the large four wheel drive wagons, in the same way that American style pickups, while they have always been present here have never had anything like the market share they have in the US, where the Ford pickup was for many years the best selling car.

In similar circumstances Australians have instead preferred either sedan based utilities or four wheel drives, mainly Landcruiser and Patrol.

The H2 and H3 are primarily fashion statements and represent a short term fashion based on the appearance of the Humvee in a number of movies as far as I can see.

John

[one_iota]

Amidst the glare of black and chrome on the H2 did I see leaf springs and drum brakes on the rear?

[fraser130]

The H2 and H3 are primarily fashion statements and represent a short term fashion based on the appearance of the Humvee in a number of movies as far as I can see.

John

I'm with you there, I think they are a "penis substitute" or a "i have too much money" type vehicle.
Don't do anything for me.

I wouldn't mind a real H1 though, purely for the engineering/purpose built factor.

Fraser

[JDNSW]

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I wouldn't mind a real H1 though, purely for the engineering/purpose built factor.

Fraser

I remember the first one I had a good look at, a genuine ex-military one, several points struck me - the first one was the placard above the windscreen in front of the driver "Hearing Protection Must be Worn". The second was the ridiculously small loadspace compared to the vehicle's overall size. The third was the extreme width, which would make many of my tracks round here inaccessible to it!

John

[dmdigital]

I do realise there is a difference between the HMMWV and the Hummer, but you have to admit they play on people associating one with the other.

As for films... we all know that the evil villains now days all drive black Rangies:o

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yes, JD,, its quite wide.

but so is an Abrahms tank.;):p

[isuzurover]

Yes it's very important to keep the HMMWV (High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle or Humvee) and Hummer separate in your mind. That is particularly true of the mass market civilianised H2 and H3 models.



Not that the HMMWV is any less a crappy POS. If you search on pirate there is a thread posted by a US soldier serving in Afghanistan, reporting firsthand the multitude of (often critical) failures with the HMMWVs - especially the armored models.

I don't recall any similar issues with mil/armored landies being reported.

[harry]

yes, JD,, its quite wide.

but so is an Abrahms tank.;):p

another subtle thread hijack attempt from pedro the great, err, the swift.

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

One of the reasons that the HMMWV is unable to be regoed in Qld is that it is over 8 feet wide and that is the Max Legal Width in this state, one of the factors against purchasing ex SA buses was that they were 8'2" wide:( I have a friend that has a genuine ex gulf war 1 vehicle and can only use it on trade plates or by Permit to Move

cheers

[DeanoH]

At a risk of being totally biased negative and one eyed, (no I don't barrack for Collingwood).

Get a massive engine, put a wheel on each corner, add rotten suspension, lousy brakes and too much chrome......the Hummer epitomises what is wrong with American auto. design. A totally useless vehicle typical of what the American auto industry has been producing for years. The speed and intensity in which GM is embracing small fuel efficient vehicles makes born again Christians look like pikers.

Well, past excesses have caught up with them now and unfortunately the whole world is paying the price. The Chinese are welcome to it.

ps. Thank you Buick for my P38 engine. Didn't my classic 3.5 litre engine come from Chrysler Marine ?

Oh Well!!

Deano

[Col.Coleman]

G'day Folks :)

One of the reasons that the HMMWV is unable to be regoed in Qld is that it is over 8 feet wide and that is the Max Legal Width in this state, one of the factors against purchasing ex SA buses was that they were 8'2" wide:( I have a friend that has a genuine ex gulf war 1 vehicle and can only use it on trade plates or by Permit to Move

cheers

Ask JohnR about that.

He has one, and I know he drives it occasionally. Have seen a photo on Mt Panorama.

CC

[rmp]

The H3 is really a Rodeo with all-wheel-drive and portals for windows. Yes, rear leaves. It's the body and image that sells, not the car. The H3's not actually too bad on dirt road handling, but given that amount of money for daytrip funcar -- and it's no long-distance tourer -- you couldn't go past a fully-kitted JK Wrangler IMHO.

Funniest thing in the H3 manuals is the little snowflake that kept popping up at intermittent intervals. Opened the manual, which had a post-it stuck inside at the page, and it said "when you see this symbol, change gear".

[V8Ian]

G'day Folks :)

One of the reasons that the HMMWV is unable to be regoed in Qld is that it is over 8 feet wide and that is the Max Legal Width in this state, one of the factors against purchasing ex SA buses was that they were 8'2" wide:( I have a friend that has a genuine ex gulf war 1 vehicle and can only use it on trade plates or by Permit to Move

cheers
That was changed a number of years ago Unc, Australia wide is now 2.5 metres or 8' 2 1/2"

[JohnR]

G'day Folks :)

One of the reasons that the HMMWV is unable to be regoed in Qld is that it is over 8 feet wide and that is the Max Legal Width in this state, one of the factors against purchasing ex SA buses was that they were 8'2" wide:( I have a friend that has a genuine ex gulf war 1 vehicle and can only use it on trade plates or by Permit to Move

cheers

I didn't have any troubles getting mine registered :p And by the way they are 8' wide without the mirrors which is how the transport department measures them.

Awsome piece of kit :D IMHO
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/1391.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/09/497.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/190.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/192.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/191.jpg

Good Fun too :twisted:

Cheers,

[isuzurover]

G'day Folks :)

One of the reasons that the HMMWV is unable to be regoed in Qld is that it is over 8 feet wide and that is the Max Legal Width in this state, one of the factors against purchasing ex SA buses was that they were 8'2" wide:( I have a friend that has a genuine ex gulf war 1 vehicle and can only use it on trade plates or by Permit to Move

cheers

I know a couple besides John's with QLD rego... Seems you are quite wrong...

[V8Ian]

I didn't have any troubles getting mine registered :p And by the way they are 8' wide without the mirrors which is how the transport department measures them.

Awsome piece of kit :D IMHO
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/1391.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/09/497.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/190.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/192.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/191.jpg

Good Fun too :twisted:

Cheers,
Just the ticket for popping up to Paddo for a latte :p

[JDNSW]

yes, JD,, its quite wide.

but so is an Abrahms tank.;):p

Yes, but when an Abrahms tank hits a tree, it is the tree that gives way - although I'm not sure how even one of them would go with an ironbark two feet through!

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not that the HMMWV is any less a crappy POS. If you search on pirate there is a thread posted by a US soldier serving in Afghanistan, reporting firsthand the multitude of (often critical) failures with the HMMWVs - especially the armored models.

I don't recall any similar issues with mil/armored landies being reported.You read the wrong news papers!

Afghanistan deaths: Snatch Land Rover putting lives on line - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/2158656/Afghanistan-deaths-Snatch-Land-Rover-putting-lives-on-line.html)

Number of Snatch Land Rovers on operations in Afghanistan and Iraq slashed - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/3796097/Number-of-Snatch-Land-Rovers-on-operations-in-Afghanistan-and-Iraq-slashed.html)

Hundredth Land Rover overturn prompts combat fears - Channel 4 News (http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/middle_east/hundredth+land+rover+overturn+prompts+combat+fears/540962)

SAS Chief In Afghanistan Major Sebastian Morley Quits Over Snatch Land Rover Deaths | UK News | Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/SAS-Chief-In-Afghanistan-Major-Sebastian-Morley-Quits-Over-Snatch-Land-Rover-Deaths/Article/200811115139685)

bbc - Q&A: Snatch Land Rovers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7703703.stm)

HJA launches Snatch Land Rover legal challenge (http://www.hja.net/legal-news/news-articles-list/19-march-2009-snatch.aspx)

Youngest British soldier to die in Afghanistan killed 'because Land Rover did not have anti-explosive equipment' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1056709/Youngest-British-soldier-die-Afghanistan-killed-Land-Rover-did-anti-explosive-equipment.html)

[BMKal]

Well now that the Chinese have bought the name, they'll probably just re-badge what they have already been making for a while -

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9825/64859350.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=64859350.jpg)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4662/66631903.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66631903.jpg)

And then maybe they'll release this version for the masses .......................

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90995168.jpg)

[V8Ian]

Has anyone seen the Chinese made Boxer at Nabiac?:confused:

[PSi]

Not that the HMMWV is any less a crappy POS. If you search on pirate there is a thread posted by a US soldier serving in Afghanistan, reporting firsthand the multitude of (often critical) failures with the HMMWVs - especially the armored models.

I don't recall any similar issues with mil/armored landies being reported.

About BBC News | News Update | 'Embedded' in Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/aboutbbcnews/hi/news_update/newsid_3850000/3850491.stm)

The BBC Land Rover was about 18 vehicles from the front.

When it broke down all the equipment was transferred to a Humvee.

[dullbird]

Has anyone seen the Chinese made Boxer at Nabiac?:confused:


yep I have :lol2:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/1384.jpg

[PSi]

Several Chinese companies already have licence to produce military HMMWVs.

PRC HMMWVs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

taken at Beijing auto show ...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/1385.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/1386.jpg

[dullbird]

What exactly are they planning to stop with that bullbar made out of solder wire:lol2:

[PSi]

Chinese kangaroos and bulls are made of cotton ... you can find them at your nearest tourist souvenir shop :)

[V8Ian]

yep I have :lol2:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/06/1384.jpg
He/she is a finer looking specimen than the one to which I was refering. If fact rather cute.:D

[loanrangie]

What exactly are they planning to stop with that bullbar made out of solder wire:lol2:

It wouldnt stop a strategically placed dim sim :p.

[V8Ian]

Or did you mean soldier wire:p

[dullbird]

It wouldnt stop a strategically placed dim sim :p.


LMFAO :Rolling:

[isuzurover]

And then maybe they'll release this version for the masses .......................

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3430/90995168.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90995168.jpg)

Someone can't do maths... 3/3 = 1 So is that a Hummer H1 then???

[dullbird]

a 3rd of a H3

[Sleepy]

a 3rd of a H3

Yes (H3)/3 not H 3/3.

Great thread. I have learnt more about Hummers than I ever new.
I pulled up next to a H3 in my 90 and was surprised that it isn't much longer. They are little, with pokey little pimp windows and, as others have mentioned, a bit of a pose.

I have always liked the Humvee though as it looks "purpose built". Pity they are so wide - not so good for those narrow high country tracks (The Twins Jeep track springs to mind!) Although probably a lot more stable for side slopes (which I hate:mad:).

Perhaps the decimation of the US car industry is a good thing and they will resassess the "we know what's good for you" attitude of the US Car industry.