Toyota V8 going BANG??

[jacknz]

Over here in NZ there appears to be a hi failure rate of the new D4D V8 engine, where I live in the Cenrtral North Island, several foresty gangs and at least 1 other contractor have all had major failures at around 60,000k's. Now Toyota are keeping this very quiet of course, apparently 'its all a rumour'. I was just wondering if the same was happening over there?

Jack

[McDisco]

Sorry...Toyota V8 what? Whats that? Never heard of it...dont care either.;):D

Angus






p.s - yes they are gong bang over here too...

[djam1]

How could you possibly suggest that a Toyota could go bang.
It just doesnt happen and never will you Land Rover people are all the same.

Well thats the response you will get on the other forums

Here yes they are going bang

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Oh dear Bugga!

They should have bought an unbreakable Hi-Lux :D

[MarknDeb]

Have not heard of the engines going bang but have heard of 1lt every 1000klm and a vibration from the tail shaft, one guy i know is on his 3rd tail shaft and is still vibrating, hes pretty ****ed, Toyota has told a couple with oil usage to live with it:o

[Xtreme]

Have not heard of the engines going bang but have heard of 1lt every 1000klm and a vibration from the tail shaft, one guy i know is on his 3rd tail shaft and is still vibrating, hes pretty ****ed, Toyota has told a couple with oil usage to live with it:o

I assume you're talking oil consumption and if so, it explains why they have a 27 litre sump - so they can make it to the next servo! :wasntme:

[MarknDeb]

yep iam talking that and toyota has told our friends it is acceptable, they get extra oil usage when towing their 3t caravans

[willem]

I assume you're talking oil consumption and if so, it explains why they have a 27 litre sump - so they can make it to the next servo! :wasntme:

A how many litre sump? :o 27 litres! I'd hate to have to service that! Don't tell the greenies, they'll have conniptions!:p:p

Willem

[Randylandy]

I know of one shire in central QLD that have had their whole fleet having major dramas with them at about those Kms.

[Landy110]

I was yalking to a non Landy owner recently who drives a courier truck. He told me they deliver replacement diesel V8 engines to Toyota every week.

[B92 8NW]

A how many litre sump? :o 27 litres! I'd hate to have to service that! Don't tell the greenies, they'll have conniptions!:p:p

Willem

But the sump is nine litres, including the filter. I've missed the joke or something:D

[Jock The Rock]

Yeah was going to say :eek:

The 6 Cylinder 220 LCV (Doosan Excavator) engine I helped put back together last week had a sump capacity of 25l :p

[Tank]

My Coolpower 285 HP Mack had 60 litres of oil and 3 oil filters every 10 days, kept me broke, Regards Frank.

[BradM]

Glad I went Nissan then.

BradM

[inside]

May I suggest that the Japanese just aren't very good at making turbo diesels? There's been problems with the 3L Nissan turbo diesel and also this one. Most of the Japanese turbo diesels have lower torque compared to the same size European engines and you just don't hear of problems well not big problems with turbo diesels from BMW, Mercedes, VW, Peugeot etc.

[Bigbjorn]

My Coolpower 285 HP Mack had 60 litres of oil and 3 oil filters every 10 days, kept me broke, Regards Frank.

Should have gone to oil analysis and only changed oil when they told you to. Change filters as normal. I used this service from Detroit Engine when I had four 8V92TA's on the road.

[maggsie]

May I suggest that the Japanese just aren't very good at making turbo diesels?
I would be very careful making such a broad statement as that!


Maggsie

[Disco_owner]

May I suggest that the Japanese just aren't very good at making turbo diesels? There's been problems with the 3L Nissan turbo diesel and also this one. Most of the Japanese turbo diesels have lower torque compared to the same size European engines and you just don't hear of problems well not big problems with turbo diesels from BMW, Mercedes, VW, Peugeot etc.

I do Believe the Mitsu Turbo Diesel are an extremely good diesel engine , I'm not sure which year or Variant thou.

[inside]

I do Believe the Mitsu Turbo Diesel are an extremely good diesel engine , I'm not sure which year or Variant thou.
The latest one has 441Nm from a 3.2L. To put it in perspective the new LR D4 will have 600Nm from 3.0L. 500Nm of that just above idle. Even my FL2 has 400Nm from a 2.2L. So they need another 1.0L to make 41Nm.

The D4D Toyota engine in the Cruiser has 650Nm from 4.5L and 8 cylinders, so why can't they get the torque that the Europeans can? It takes them 1.5L and 2 more cylinders to make an extra 50Nm, seems quite inefficient especially since they seem to be self destructing.

[sashadidi]

I can confirm that v8 uses oil I heard of v8 using sump full in 500km, there is a modification out, piston ring problems apparently and they do not "run in" and end up with glazed bores, you have to scream to get is fixed (heard from toyota mechanic in wellington)
Also big problems if you get water in the diesel(typical from a farmers tank!!), fuel filter system are not up to it and engines may need entire fuel system replaced from the tank forward to the engine rail up to $40000(at present for everything including 8 injectors etc!!!), NOT A WARRANTY PROBLEM according to Toyota NZ, hi luxes (latest) are doing this also but cheaper $18000 only. Heard if 3 in canterbury and toyota tech guy admited he knew of at least NINE more!!!, people trying to get help from toyota to fit extra fuel filters in the fuel system but they are not interested!!!
So landrovers are not the only ones with problems!!!:wasntme:

[Panda]

:Rolling:Good one! :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:


Sorry...Toyota V8 what? Whats that? Never heard of it...dont care either.;):D

Angus






p.s - yes they are gong bang over here too...

[sashadidi]

Further news, Coal corporation brought over 20 v8s last figure was 5 engines replaced since december 2007 and climbing when they starting buying them (heaerd from a rep that deals with them):wasntme:

[DirtyDawg]

Glad I went Nissan then.

BradM

:D:D:D for the first 100ks yep stay glad Brad:D:D:D

[rick130]

:D:D:D for the first 100ks yep stay glad Brad:D:D:D

If it's a TD42T make that 1,000,000km :p

Excellent, old school understressed, inefficient lump of a thing.
A bit like a 4BD1T without the vibes :twisted:

[garryc]

Have not heard of the engines going bang but have heard of 1lt every 1000klm and a vibration from the tail shaft, one guy i know is on his 3rd tail shaft and is still vibrating, hes pretty ****ed, Toyota has told a couple with oil usage to live with it:o
Reminds me of my 'Chrysler Sigma", 1.76ltrs/1000km, was told it was normal. But then again all the Sigmas in our fleet had the motors changed before 20,000km. And on the Toyo subject, had a mate, retired recently and was state govt. fleet mgr. The 4wd Hiluxs were blowing motors because they reduce sump size for front diff. and oil MUST be changed every 5000km or else and Troopies were seizing motors but they didn't know why. oh wot a feeling :D

[spudboy]

...had a mate, retired recently and was state govt. fleet mgr. The 4wd Hiluxs were blowing motors because they reduce sump size for front diff. and oil MUST be changed every 5000km or else and Troopies were seizing motors but they didn't know why. oh wot a feeling :D

Probably because they were driven like they were stolen by employees who couldn't care less ;)

[Disco_owner]

The latest one has 441Nm from a 3.2L. To put it in perspective the new LR D4 will have 600Nm from 3.0L. 500Nm of that just above idle. Even my FL2 has 400Nm from a 2.2L. So they need another 1.0L to make 41Nm.

The D4D Toyota engine in the Cruiser has 650Nm from 4.5L and 8 cylinders, so why can't they get the torque that the Europeans can? It takes them 1.5L and 2 more cylinders to make an extra 50Nm, seems quite inefficient especially since they seem to be self destructing.

I didn't think this thread was a comparrison thread between Jap Diesels and Eurpean Diesels, but seeing you've quoted some figures from a MITSUI 3.2L TD a 441 NM in my opinion is quite a substantial figure and they don't detonate like the 3.0L Nissan do , not that I have heard anyhow, so to quote that Japanese don't make good Turbo Diesel engines based on a Nissan or a V8 Toyota alone is unfair.

[MarknDeb]

Yes that is very unfair, nissan is better than a toyota.

[scarry]

As i have said on another thread,i know a guy who has a 200 seriesTD that is on its 3rd engine & second auto.

It was one of the very first ones.

Not a happy chappy:(

[rovercare]

If it's a TD42T make that 1,000,000km :p

Excellent, old school understressed, inefficient lump of a thing.
A bit like a 4BD1T without the vibes :twisted:

A BIT like a 4BD1T

Just uses a few L/100km more and won;t last the mill:angel:

The vinration thing, well all I got for you rick is...................:p:D

[p38arover]

As i have said on another thread,i know a guy who has a 200 seriesTD that is on its 3rd engine & second auto.

If done under warranty, he's doing alright!

[scarry]

If done under warranty, he's doing alright!


Yer,it all was,but he has had gutful of it..........,being a Tojo guy,he aint happy.

His 100 series never had a problem....ever

[harlie]

I didn't think this thread was a comparrison thread between Jap Diesels and Eurpean Diesels, but seeing you've quoted some figures from a MITSUI 3.2L TD a 441 NM in my opinion is quite a substantial figure and they don't detonate like the 3.0L Nissan do , not that I have heard anyhow, so to quote that Japanese don't make good Turbo Diesel engines based on a Nissan or a V8 Toyota alone is unfair.

I don’t think it’s unfair. Mitsu is the pick of the bunch. But the 3.2 DiD is behind the time compared all the EU 3.0L engines in power and torque by miles and only just matches some of them for fuel consumption... correct me here but the 3.2DiD basically matches the 2.7TDV6 Disco3 with 500cc more displacement and 6 years later.

Maybe unfair to say they are not good engines because they are proving reliable - but as the best one to pick - they are along way behind...

On the Toyota front – we can bet that this information will never get out – the Australian motoring media are so pro Toyota that there will never be a bad word said - and the owners will still stand in front of you and tell you how c**p your landrover (or anything else) is. I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

[Disco_owner]

I don’t think it’s unfair. Mitsu is the pick of the bunch. But the 3.2 DiD is behind the time compared all the EU 3.0L engines in power and torque by miles and only just matches some of them for fuel consumption... correct me here but the 3.2DiD basically matches the 2.7TDV6 Disco3 with 500cc more displacement and 6 years later.

Maybe unfair to say they are not good engines because they are proving reliable - but as the best one to pick - they are along way behind...

On the Toyota front – we can bet that this information will never get out – the Australian motoring media are so pro Toyota that there will never be a bad word said - and the owners will still stand in front of you and tell you how c**p your landrover (or anything else) is. I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

mmm , I've never have had a Toyota owner Bad mouth landrovers in front of me and there are a few in our Club :o Infact I was quite impressed with the 100 series Toyota Cruiser , it made climbing up masssive sand dunes at stockton look like a walk in the park but as said to name 1 good reliable Japanese Diesel engine is the Mitsubishi 3.2 and if it is behind the times , well that's good , as it has proven to be reliable and economical . as for NM figures , who would need more that 440 NM of Torque , you can pull huge weights with that amount of Torque.:D:D

Also Does one meassure power and efficiency of an engine based on it's capacity and NM figures :confused: I'm not biassed towards Japanses or European , infact I love my 300tdi Disco and I'll will be driving it to it's grave.

[Slunnie]

the owners will still stand in front of you and tell you how c**p your landrover (or anything else) is. I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm
He's obviously either never sat in a commercial toyota, or never sat in anything other than a commercial toyota. Don't get me wrong, I really do like the Toyotas, but that comment is sooooo wrong its not funny.

[willem]

I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

He's never sat in the back of a Troopie! Hard as concrete.

Willem

[BigJon]

I drive 79 Series Troopies for work. I do a lot of km in them and apart from being a bit rough in proper 4WD cinditions (low range rock work) I find them pretty good for comfort.

The seats are standard with canvas seat covers. The rear springs are heavy duty with air assist (GVM upgraded to 3700kg, we run them at about 3500kg).

The seats will recline far enough to get a decent driving position, I am not wedged against the door pillar (think Defender!) and the A/C system actually works...:D

[harlie]

mmm , I've never have had a Toyota owner Bad mouth landrovers in front of me and there are a few in our Club :o Infact I was quite impressed with the 100 series Toyota Cruiser , it made climbing up masssive sand dunes at stockton look like a walk in the park but as said to name 1 good reliable Japanese Diesel engine is the Mitsubishi 3.2 and if it is behind the times , well that's good , as it has proven to be reliable and economical . as for NM figures , who would need more that 440 NM of Torque , you can pull huge weights with that amount of Torque.:D:D

Also Does one meassure power and efficiency of an engine based on it's capacity and NM figures :confused: I'm not biassed towards Japanses or European , infact I love my 300tdi Disco and I'll will be driving it to it's grave.


I’m not a Jap car hater, until now I always said "If you want the best chance of trouble free 4WDing go Toyota – not saying they never give trouble but it seems less often on average." That is the exact line I have used when someone asks for advice re what to get. I will not own a Toyota because I see them as an appliance, built to a high standard but with no imagination or innovation.


I actually hold the Paj in very high regard and would have no problem with owning one. I never said the DiD was bad, just not as efficient. I think a good guide to engine efficiency is a combination of outputs (power/torque), fuel consumption and emissions. So that still leaves my opinion intact – the displacement is not that important but there is a trend.


The DiD has an acceptable output (never said otherwise) but considering it is only just as good as my 10yr old TD5 for consumption than that’s nothing to get excited about especially when you consider that it has a much better transmission than my old Disco.


Remind me as to why Toyota and Nissan had to remove their 4.2L diesels from sale in Aus – not because they are unreliable (I would say the opposite) – that’s right - they failed our emissions standards which are some of the lowest standards in the developed world.


Take outboard motors as an example because the data is really easy to get. There are many manufacturers claiming to be "the most economical". And they can do that because in the disclaimer it will state a particular hull, load and sea conditions that this claim is true, and they can pull tricks like fit an inappropriate propeller to a competitor for the test. BUT if you look at the emissions data (tested to CARB standards by gov labs) you will see that there is a big difference between them including the different 4 stroke brands – there are 2 manufacturers that are well ahead of the pack and 1 of them is Jap… The other is actually a 2 stroke – yes 2-stroke that is matching the BEST 4 stroke and miles ahead of the others for emissions. When an independent body (coast guard, Gov dept, magazine, ect) does a comprehensive fuel test these 2 brands always come out miles ahead on fuel usage as well.


I’ve lost count of the number of Toyota owners (not all) that have informed me of how c**p landrovers are – Nissan/Paj owners don’t seem to have the arrogant ones amongst them. Best example was when I was informed at the Boat Club by a charming gentleman (quote) "you’ll need to get a bigger car to tow that – have a look at a cruiser" while walking a 3.2t boat up the ramp in Low Range…


Just my opinion and I keep it to myself in future.

[klappers]

Scary to think that some one could outlay that much cash for what was touted as the best engine and get a dud... :) Hahahaha, that makes me feel all warm and fuzy inside knowing that I own a Euro...


I am talking about the D4D V8 btw... as for Euro v Jap v rest of the world. Europe has been ahead of the curve as far as car manufacturing is concerned for a long time. Hell my fathers 1973 Peugeot had IRS and 4 WHEELS DISC BRAKES, mechanical injection and clocked up in excess of 500,000kms!!!

[scarry]

Jap diesels have always been behind the Euros,but their petrol engines havent been too bad.

As for quality control & fit and finish,the Euros are getting better,have almost caught the Japs.


As for technological advances,in safety,etc,the Euros are way ahead,the D3 being a very good example of this.

[klappers]

Jap diesels have always been behind the Euros,but their petrol engines havent been too bad.

As for quality control & fit and finish,the Euros are getting better,have almost caught the Japs.


As for technological advances,in safety,etc,the Euros are way ahead,the D3 being a very good example of this.

Yes there petrol engines are good.. I had a twin turbo Supra....mmm I miss that car

[loanrangie]

May I suggest that the Japanese just aren't very good at making turbo diesels? There's been problems with the 3L Nissan turbo diesel and also this one. Most of the Japanese turbo diesels have lower torque compared to the same size European engines and you just don't hear of problems well not big problems with turbo diesels from BMW, Mercedes, VW, Peugeot etc.

You have 1 small hole in your comment, the ZD30 is a Renault engine :o.

[dullbird]

mmm , I've never have had a Toyota owner Bad mouth landrovers in front of me and there are a few in our Club :o Infact I was quite impressed with the 100 series Toyota Cruiser , it made climbing up masssive sand dunes at stockton look like a walk in the park but as said to name 1 good reliable Japanese Diesel engine is the Mitsubishi 3.2 and if it is behind the times , well that's good , as it has proven to be reliable and economical .
as for NM figures , who would need more that 440 NM of Torque , you can pull huge weights with that amount of Torque.:D:D

Also Does one meassure power and efficiency of an engine based on it's capacity and NM figures :confused: I'm not biassed towards Japanses or European , infact I love my 300tdi Disco and I'll will be driving it to it's grave.


says the man fitting a super charger :lol2:

Oh and I have had my land rover bad mouthed in front of me by a toyota driver on more than one occasion....BUT in all fairness one of the baggins ended up just being friendly ribbing once he learnt about off road ability and fuel economy etc....

[Disco_owner]

says the man fitting a super charger :lol2:

Oh and I have had my land rover bad mouthed in front of me by a toyota driver on more than one occasion....BUT in all fairness one of the baggins ended up just being friendly ribbing once he learnt about off road ability and fuel economy etc....

oh don't worry , I get plenty of that from my Toyo and Nissan mates :bangin::lol2: but it's a light hearted ribbing , They put crap on Landrovers and I put Crap back on Toyos and Nissan , all in good fun.:D:D

[StephenF10]

You have 1 small hole in your comment, the ZD30 is a Renault engine :o.

No it's not. This question came up on another forum with some Nissan apologists trying to blame Renault, but if you do a search on the Renault/Nissan alliance you'll find that it's a Nissan engine.

Stephen.

[V8Ian]

four 8V92TA's .
Oil change as you drive:D those victas leak worse than a Land Rover:o

[p38arover]

I no longer go 4WDing with my ex-BIL (GQ Patrol owner) and his sons owing to the constant bagging of LR even though they have been impressed by my old Rangie's performance off road.

Not in fun - they're deadly serious and it gets bloody wearing. :mad:

It's also the reason I left the TLCC (I'd joined it when I had an FJ55).

[Bigbjorn]

Oil change as you drive:D those victas leak worse than a Land Rover:o

Considerable modifications and improvements were made to the Detroits in the early 70's to keeep the oil in. The cast aluminium rocker covers were the indicator of the improved engines. They don't leak any more than comparable engines. Go harder and for longer too.

[sashadidi]

The DOg and Lemon Guide here in New Zealand ( guide to faults in cars no friend of Landrovers!!!!) have told me they know of problems with the new toyota diesels V8s and that toyota NZ are becoming much less helpful in solving these
and they are compliing a database of these faults, Car people like toyotado not like
being mentioned by these people here.

[CaverD3]

Local mech at Tojo dealership said they have replaced quite a few TD V8 motors.
I understand Toyota have shipped a stack of new motors ready to be swapped.

[BMKal]

Local mech at Tojo dealership said they have replaced quite a few TD V8 motors.
I understand Toyota have shipped a stack of new motors ready to be swapped.

I was at Goldfields Toyota this morning ordering some weathershields that SWMBO wants for Christmas for her Camry.

Bumped into a bloke I know there who has worked there for years (and I've bought a few vehicles from him for work over the years). As usual, he bagged me for parking a Landrover right at the front door of the Toyota dealership (in a friendly way).

Anyway, they didn't have the weathershields in stock - they're coming up overnight from Perth - "on the same truck that's bringing up a couple of replacement Toyota V8 diesels" - from the horse's mouth.

Unofficially and totally off the record and never to be quoted in such places as a Landrover forum - they're averaging roughly two a week (but have had no problems so far with the new Playdo's, which they are selling like hot cakes).

[VladTepes]

I just posted about this on my firearms forum - will see the responses....

[dmdigital]

I just posted about this on my firearms forum - will see the responses....
It will get shot full of holes I'm thinking:p

[VladTepes]

Yep so far.

The comment I found interesting was "...typical of someone who has never owned or driven a Land Cruiser V8 to bag them" !!!

And this from people who are unsurprisingly CONSTANTLY bagging me for driving a Land Rover. Hah !

[dullbird]

In all fairness to the other side though its not like landrover haven't replaced any engines recently :angel:

[discowhite]

In all fairness to the other side though its not like landrover haven't replaced any engines recently :angel:

yes but being 4 cyl ones LRau has only replaced half as many! so we are still better than toymota:twisted:

cheers phil

[rovercare]

A mate of mine has just bought one brand spankers, took it for a spin the other day, must say, its the flattest curved thing I've driven, 500-4000rpms its just the same, seems to not careless as to which gear you stick it in, I think they'll get up and move with chipping and exhaust:twisted:

When my old man was asked by a Tojo mech what engined troopie he had and he replied 1HD-FTE, the dude said "ah, last of the good ones":eek:

Shame that I knew half a dozen mechs that worked in the local Nissan/Tojo dealer, but they've all left, so no insider goss:(

[rick130]

A mate of mine has just bought one brand spankers, took it for a spin the other day, must say, its the flattest curved thing I've driven, 500-4000rpms its just the same, seems to not careless as to which gear you stick it in, I think they'll get up and move with chipping and exhaust:twisted:

<snip>

and apparently they do, big time, but it's still the old g/box, part time t/case and rear diff as the old six in a 79 Series.... :eek:

One of the local cockies was going down the chip/big exhaust route, he has a family history (as in he, his brother, father and uncles) of modding things but I haven't run into him for six months now.

I have nothing hard to go on, but believe this is the reason the 79's have a de-tuned version of the engine compared to the auto/full time 4WD station wagon.

[Gooner]

[LEFT]I will not own a Toyota because I see them as an appliance, built to a high standard but with no imagination or innovation.


That is a brilliant description of Toyota (and Nissan).

Imagination and innovation is what seperates us from them.

[rovercare]

and apparently they do, big time, but it's still the old g/box, part time t/case and rear diff as the old six in a 79 Series.... :eek:

One of the local cockies was going down the chip/big exhaust route, he has a family history (as in he, his brother, father and uncles) of modding things but I haven't run into him for six months now.

I have nothing hard to go on, but believe this is the reason the 79's have a de-tuned version of the engine compared to the auto/full time 4WD station wagon.

Toyota do lots of strange things, the 78/79 1HZ versions had a different (weaker) 5 speed than the factory turbo's, the Tx case is proven regardless, but there was alot of issues with failures in the N/A 1HZ version in regards to the gearbag, the factory turbo, doesn;t seem to suffer the same fate, bizarre Tojo stuff...........but then, I could start on Land rovers backwards steps:angel:

[Slunnie]

Toyota do lots of strange things, the 78/79 1HZ versions had a different (weaker) 5 speed than the factory turbo's, the Tx case is proven regardless, but there was alot of issues with failures in the N/A 1HZ version in regards to the gearbag, the factory turbo, doesn;t seem to suffer the same fate, bizarre Tojo stuff...........but then, I could start on Land rovers backwards steps:angel:
Hmmm we had a couple of LC100DX's at work, and be stuff if I know how a 1HZ could damage anything, its not like it actually did anything, but they would drop 5th gear in them despite this.

I do like the TDV8 and have also been very impressed by it. I think a 76 wagon on LC100 axles would be a good tourer. People will also work out how to run better gearboxes into them before long if they haven't already.

[4x4x2]

I cant see why people keep buying this backward rubish -they are so yesterday?

[PAT303]

I cant see why people keep buying this backward rubish -they are so yesterday?

The badge. Pat

[Slunnie]

I cant see why people keep buying this backward rubish -they are so yesterday?
Of all vehicles on the market, the Defender is the one that goes back the furthest.

[p38arover]

yes but being 4 cyl ones LRau has only replaced half as many! so we are still better than toymota:twisted:

cheers phil

Only because LR don't accept responsibility. How many 4.6 V8 engines have had problems but LR don't replace them as they usually failed out of warranty.

[isuzurover]

I spent a week in a new LC ute recently. When I first got in, I was shocked that the interior hasn't changed since 1985.

The ride has barely improved since then as well.

The new engine certainly has plenty of torque - right across the rev range.

Where I was only had a fleet of two V8s - and about 10 6 cylinders.

No issues with the two they had - however I only got to chat to the users of the vehicles, not the service crew. They were used in fairly rugged conditions on a daily basis though.

I bet nobody can tell me what the gear on the back is for?

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/Mine_2.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/Mine_1.jpg

[CaverD3]

I cant see why people keep buying this backward rubish -they are so yesterday?


The badge. Pat

The marketing.


Of all vehicles on the market, the Defender is the one that goes back the furthest.

The difference is LR don't claim that it is an all new model.:angel:

The defender has failed to progress, Toyota have actually gone backwards.
Toyota resurected a model they had stopped making.

I think Toyota are making the mistake LR made; resting on their laurels. Relying on reputation meanwhile the others were inovating and making better 4x4s.

[Slunnie]

I bet nobody can tell me what the gear on the back is for?

Detonation control?

[Slunnie]

The difference is LR don't claim that it is an all new model.:angel:

The defender has failed to progress, Toyota have actually gone backwards.
Toyota resurected a model they had stopped making.

I think Toyota are making the mistake LR made; resting on their laurels. Relying on reputation meanwhile the others were inovating and making better 4x4s.
What makes you say all of this? To be fair, I don't see how they've done anything different to Land Rover with the Defender.

[dobbo]

I bet nobody can tell me what the gear on the back is for?


Flux capacitor?

My guess is it's utilised to monitor and measure stuff. ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

my guess is it doesnt spend much time on the back of that truck!!:D

[d@rk51d3]

What makes you say all of this? To be fair, I don't see how they've done anything different to Land Rover with the Defender.

But with a Defender, you have perfection. :D;)

[Slunnie]

But with a Defender, you have perfection. :D;)
:lol2:

[dobbo]

But with a Defender, you have perfection. :D;)

would you like to buy my half of the Sydney Harbour Bridge?

I can do it real cheap for cash;)

[discowhite]

I bet nobody can tell me what the gear on the back is for?





is it GIS stuff?

cheers phil

[p38arover]

Doesn't the handbrake work on that truck? See the rear wheel.

[d@rk51d3]

would you like to buy my half of the Sydney Harbour Bridge?

I can do it real cheap for cash;)

Could be tempting. I'd own the whole thing then.:cool:

[VladTepes]

Back on topic...

Here's the response one person posted...
(They work at a Toyo dealership)


We are yet to have any blow up (At my dealership) but i do know of a few customers complaining about abnormal oil consumption.

The problems have now been fixed, Separate Issues between the 200 Series and 70 Series Vehicles.
The engine was new, As with the 1HD-FT Engine when it was first devised it would spin big end bearings and toyota was replacing the big end bearings even on vehicles out of warranty.
And the 1KD-FTE Had diesel knock issues which have now been fixed in the new Prado version.

Most new engines have some teething issues.
At the end of the day, The engines only blew up because the oil consumption issue was not addressed in time by the owner, in most cases i'm sure they knew it was using oil but continued to drive it without checking the level, theres only 1 person to blame really. The owners manual states to check the oil daily I know no-one does but its there in black+white so the owners dont technically have a leg to stand on if the vehicle runs out of oil. Toyota is nice enough to replace their $12,000 engine for free.
And yeah the problem was fixed, and owners only needed to contact and consult with their dealer, carry out the tests required to confirm the rate of usage, and its done.
It was also proven that Toyota Genuine oil helped the situation on some vehicles.

At the end of the day, no-one is forcing anyone to buy a Toyota vehicle. If you dont want to buy one, dont buy one, simple as that. Toyota commercial vehicles are the worlds best, whether you will admit it or not. the ad about "Nothing Soft Gets in" pretty much sums it up. If you cant afford to buy one, dont buy one. If you want to drive euro trash which breaks on the first rock, and pay $1200 for a service, go ahead.
L/C Have $300 fixed pricing, we just traded one with 100,000kms Good as new. They are good. End of Story. The resale is in proportion with the original price, So why not invest more at the start and have a better vehicle?
Buy a Navara for $39,990, trade it in 3 years and cry when they offer you 14k. But the guy with the $54,990 SR5 Hilux is sitting pretty on a 36-38k Trade in. He's lost less money, and had a better vehicle.
Stupid not to really.


Disclaimer: Even tho I work there, my Comments are my own opinion and not in any way tied officially to Toyota. :p

Euro-trash eh ?

Even LR owners don't need to check the damn oil EVERY day !!!

[pando]

I bet nobody can tell me what the gear on the back is for?


some sort of seismic instrument at a long shot?????

or a really expensive looking coffee machine maybe?????

to add to the V8 discussion as well, quite a few V8's now starting to replace the six cylinders at work (there would have to be hundreds all up across all sites), so far no real dramas that I have heard of, although the offset front to rear track is causing some headaches when it rains and in the rutted roads around the place.

[pando]

"If you want to drive euro trash which breaks on the first rock"

I'm guessing this particular guy never had to replace any of the 100 series front IFS diffs that exploded the first time they went off the bitumen......

[CaverD3]

What makes you say all of this? To be fair, I don't see how they've done anything different to Land Rover with the Defender.

They haven't really but they say they have.
Current 70 series marketed as 'all new model'.

[CaverD3]

Back on topic...

Here's the response one person posted...
(They work at a Toyo dealership)

Quote:
We are yet to have any blow up (At my dealership) but i do know of a few customers complaining about abnormal oil consumption.

The problems have now been fixed, Separate Issues between the 200 Series and 70 Series Vehicles.
The engine was new, As with the 1HD-FT Engine when it was first devised it would spin big end bearings and toyota was replacing the big end bearings even on vehicles out of warranty.
And the 1KD-FTE Had diesel knock issues which have now been fixed in the new Prado version.

Most new engines have some teething issues.
At the end of the day, The engines only blew up because the oil consumption issue was not addressed in time by the owner, in most cases i'm sure they knew it was using oil but continued to drive it without checking the level, theres only 1 person to blame really. The owners manual states to check the oil daily I know no-one does but its there in black+white so the owners dont technically have a leg to stand on if the vehicle runs out of oil. Toyota is nice enough to replace their $12,000 engine for free.
And yeah the problem was fixed, and owners only needed to contact and consult with their dealer, carry out the tests required to confirm the rate of usage, and its done.
It was also proven that Toyota Genuine oil helped the situation on some vehicles.

At the end of the day, no-one is forcing anyone to buy a Toyota vehicle. If you dont want to buy one, dont buy one, simple as that. Toyota commercial vehicles are the worlds best, whether you will admit it or not. the ad about "Nothing Soft Gets in" pretty much sums it up. If you cant afford to buy one, dont buy one. If you want to drive euro trash which breaks on the first rock, and pay $1200 for a service, go ahead.
L/C Have $300 fixed pricing, we just traded one with 100,000kms Good as new. They are good. End of Story. The resale is in proportion with the original price, So why not invest more at the start and have a better vehicle?
Buy a Navara for $39,990, trade it in 3 years and cry when they offer you 14k. But the guy with the $54,990 SR5 Hilux is sitting pretty on a 36-38k Trade in. He's lost less money, and had a better vehicle.
Stupid not to really.


Disclaimer: Even tho I work there, my Comments are my own opinion and not in any way tied officially to Toyota.


:Rolling::Rolling:

Couldn't stop laughing.

"The owners manual states to check the oil daily I know no-one does but its there in black+white so the owners dont technically have a leg to stand on if the vehicle runs out of oil. Toyota is nice enough to replace their $12,000 engine for free."

Pretty line ball with Toyota attitude to their cutomers really. :angel:

[87County]

Interesting part of that "Quote" posted by Vlad:


".....It was also proven that Toyota Genuine oil helped the situation on some vehicles....."

now we all know that Toyota doesn't refine oil.... so has anybody a clue on what it really is ?

perhaps just a heavier weight oil ? ? ?

[clean32]

Interesting part of that "Quote" posted by Vlad:


".....It was also proven that Toyota Genuine oil helped the situation on some vehicles....."

now we all know that Toyota doesn't refine oil.... so has anybody a clue on what it really is ?

perhaps just a heavier weight oil ? ? ?

a bit of EP90?

[87County]

a bit of EP90?


:D :D

well, it would have a distinctive pong wouldn't it ? :)

[isuzurover]

My guess is it's utilised to monitor and measure stuff. ;)

Vague, but correct...


Doesn't the handbrake work on that truck? See the rear wheel.

All vehicles must be chocked when parked below ground AND nosed into a wall.

[PAT303]

Interesting part of that "Quote" posted by Vlad:


".....It was also proven that Toyota Genuine oil helped the situation on some vehicles....."

now we all know that Toyota doesn't refine oil.... so has anybody a clue on what it really is ?

perhaps just a heavier weight oil ? ? ?

Castrol,they buy bulk oil for 50c a litre and then charge $12 a litre for it at service time.The ''fixed Price $300 service is crap,they always tag on more and they also charge 1200 minimum for a 40K service and 100K for a cruiser is $2600 minimum.I don't find the guys comments funny,I heard that every second day from my local dealer,even after vehicles were laid up for days through lack of parts or recall repairs or warrenty claims.They truely believe thier own BS. Pat

[pando]

Vague, but correct...



All vehicles must be chocked when parked below ground AND nosed into a wall.

Yeah, some sites are even making it a requirement for larger vehicles topside to be chocked now too (frannas, mobile cranes, semis although some vehicles would need a chock the size of a 20' container to stop them).....

What was the bit of kit on the tray anyway Isuzurover, I'm intrigued?

[CaverD3]

Oh what a feeling. :spudnikbackflip: .................................................. .................................................. ......................................:whistling:

[D-Fender]

Oh what a feeling. :spudnikbackflip: .................................................. .................................................. ......................................:whistling:

Haha go sing that on Australian Hilux Forum (Aus 4wd Action Forums) and see how many kids you can make cry :D

[Sprint]

Doesn't the handbrake work on that truck? See the rear wheel.

welcome to a minesite....

from the pics, i'd say its underground in a metaliferous mine, the steps on the ground behind the ute and the temporary nature of the equipments mount make me suspect its siesmic monitoring.....

[CaverD3]

Haha go sing that on Australian Hilux Forum (Aus 4wd Action Forums) and see how many kids you can make cry :D

Sinking feeling? :D

[BigJon]

Castrol,they buy bulk oil for 50c a litre and then charge $12 a litre for it at service time.

Sure they do...:angel:

[rovercare]

Pretty line ball with Toyota attitude to their cutomers really. :angel:

Toyota actually as some of the best warranty service in comparison to the rest of the asian manufacturers

[Blknight.aus]

Castrol,they buy bulk oil for 50c a litre and then charge $12 a litre for it at service time.The ''fixed Price $300 service is crap,they always tag on more and they also charge 1200 minimum for a 40K service and 100K for a cruiser is $2600 minimum.I don't find the guys comments funny,I heard that every second day from my local dealer,even after vehicles were laid up for days through lack of parts or recall repairs or warrenty claims.They truely believe thier own BS. Pat



Why the bloody hell couldnt you have posted that months ago when the wife was bleating about the service costs on big red at $300 for a 50K service and $2k for the 100K km.

[INter674]

What makes you say all of this? To be fair, I don't see how they've done anything different to Land Rover with the Defender.

checked out a new Yota DID 4500 V8 flat tray which with accessories (bull bar, tray, canopy, chip, big zorst etc) cost the owner over 60k.

I was stunned to get inside and note the interior reminded me of the 60 series we used to have...and no air bags!!! Me coming from a 95 D1 ES and therefore used to lots of creature comforts. Yes I know they are a work truck, but really, how does Yota get away with it nowadays??

The engine is clearly the centre of attention and it sounded just great when working hard on sand dunes with plenty of torque and some sexy zorst smoke under load. The owner had done less than 20,000ks and had had no problems 'cept brake caliper failures that Yota refused to fix under warranty because the engine was chipped and it had been off road.

He admitted that the motor was its best feature and also, that it looked 'right' at ute musters:)

[CaverD3]

QUOTE=INter674;1143063]checked out a new Yota DID 4500 V8 flat tray which with accessories (bull bar, tray, canopy, chip, big zorst etc) cost the owner over 60k.

I was stunned to get inside and note the interior reminded me of the 60 series we used to have...and no air bags!!! Me coming from a 95 D1 ES and therefore used to lots of creature comforts. Yes I know they are a work truck, but really, how does Yota get away with it nowadays??
[/QUOTE]

Why I went for a D3 over a LC100 Tojo was asking too much for too little.



The owner had done less than 20,000ks and had had no problems 'cept brake caliper failures that Yota refused to fix under warranty because the engine was chipped and it had been off road.


But I thought:


Toyota actually as some of the best warranty service in comparison to the rest of the asian manufacturers

or are all Asian anufacturers bad at warranty service.:angel:

[BigJon]

QUOTE=INter674;1143063]or are all Asian anufacturers bad at warranty service.:angel:

I used to be the warranty admin at a new car dealer. We dealt in LR and Subaru (they still do).

Both were good with warranty (I didn't have any dramas getting claims accepted).

The real difference was after the warranty period. LR would often "come to the party" with partial help, either parts or labour, whereas Subaru said once the warranty is over, too bad.

[dullbird]

I have heard this too......

[rovercare]

or are all Asian anufacturers bad at warranty service.:angel:

Personal experience? do tell?

I've seen Toyota supply new engines well ouside of warranty;)

[CaverD3]

My experience of warranty claims with Lr has been excellent, nerver had a claim knocked back under warranty. Even had steering wheel replaced.
I have known of Toyotas owners having claims knocked with various excuses (it's normal, wear and tear, vehicle abuse etc.)
I would say Toyota are not the worst for warranty claims but they are not easy and sometimes owners have to fight.
I think Toyota will fix if they have to to keep an issue quiet? (like most manufacturers)

[rovercare]

My experience of warranty claims with Lr has been excellent, nerver had a claim knocked back under warranty. Even had steering wheel replaced.
I have known of Toyotas owners having claims knocked with various excuses (it's normal, wear and tear, vehicle abuse etc.)
I would say Toyota are not the worst for warranty claims but they are not easy and sometimes owners have to fight.
I think Toyota will fix if they have to to keep an issue quiet? (like most manufacturers)


I've literally grown up with a stream of mechanics, that have worked in either the local Tojo/Nissan/Hyundai/Honda dealership or the local LR etc dealer, plus a few at ford and holden etc, had personal relationships with sales assistant, managers, spare parts blah blah, spent alot of time with ALOT of people in dealerships in all positions

Oh, the other advantage I have, Is I'm quite unbiased when it comes to rover vs the world

1, its usually the dealership themselves that provide the issues to the customer NOT the manufacturer, the dealers warranty jobs are "fixed price" and they only get $x to do particular warranty jobs back from the manufacturer, so its a cost to them usually as it can take longer than they get paid, when servicing work could be getting done

2, If the "fixed price" warranty claim pays more $/hrs than it usually takes, you'll find you have little issue getting your claim sorted:D

3, you'll also find that if you bought a Tojo you probably wouldn;t need a replacement steering wheel or had as much experience with warranty claims:p

[CaverD3]

Oh, the other advantage I have, Is I'm quite unbiased when it comes to rover vs the world

3, you'll also find that if you bought a Tojo you probably wouldn;t need a replacement steering wheel or had as much experience with warranty claims:p

These two don't add up. :confused:

All vehicles have problems. It was the case that LR more issues than others but not for a while.
Toyota say they are more reliable but the reality is they have had lots of issues as well. They just keep quiet about it and throw some more marketing dollars at it. :angel:

What me cynical......never. ;)

[PAT303]

I used to be the warranty admin at a new car dealer. We dealt in LR and Subaru (they still do).

Both were good with warranty (I didn't have any dramas getting claims accepted).

The real difference was after the warranty period. LR would often "come to the party" with partial help, either parts or labour, whereas Subaru said once the warranty is over, too bad.

I had my front driveshaft replaced by the Alice dealer,you would have been working there then and my defender was 15K past the warranty period and you guys replaced it no questions ask,I would add that all the warranty claims were caused by shoddy workmanship by LR dealers so I did have a solid case. Pat

[PAT303]

Why the bloody hell couldnt you have posted that months ago when the wife was bleating about the service costs on big red at $300 for a 50K service and $2k for the 100K km.

You should have asked a month ago,Tojo recommend injector replacement at 100K as well as valve caps and all the settings reset,your 2K would be gone by smoko. Pat

[Jamo]

Our Suby had the rear main seal go over a year out of warranty. I didn't even think to ask, but the dealer did for me and Subaru covered the whole thing.

IMHO a lot comes down to the dealer themselves/

[PAT303]

Personal experience? do tell?

I've seen Toyota supply new engines well ouside of warranty;)

A mate of mine,Ernie Hill bought a brand new Troopy and the engine siezed before he got home,it did 8k's,thats eight kilometers,2 weeks later he got his ""new'' troopy back,this time it did 5k's before it siezed,6 months later and only after he threatened legal action did he get a new engine fitted to his vehicle,the owner of the ute that snapped it's crank on site last year didn't get a single thing from tojo,not a dime and it only had mid 50k on it. Pat

[CaverD3]

:whistling:

[rovercare]

A mate of mine,Ernie Hill bought a brand new Troopy and the engine siezed before he got home,it did 8k's,thats eight kilometers,2 weeks later he got his ""new'' troopy back,this time it did 5k's before it siezed,6 months later and only after he threatened legal action did he get a new engine fitted to his vehicle,the owner of the ute that snapped it's crank on site last year didn't get a single thing from tojo,not a dime and it only had mid 50k on it. Pat

What was the reasoning behind not replacing the one with the broken crank?

Maybe the dealers in questions are assholes, how far was it pushed, who did they speak to etc? there is always more to the story

[PAT303]

The snapped crank vehicle was serviced by the owner,he owns his own company that services mine machinery so no warranty even though it was only 14 months old and serviced every 5K in his own workshop. Pat

[rovercare]

The snapped crank vehicle was serviced by the owner,he owns his own company that services mine machinery so no warranty even though it was only 14 months old and serviced every 5K in his own workshop. Pat

Well can't argue much there, although we both know its not likely his fault, but you think LR or any other manufacturer would warrant the claim?

[disco_mitch]

im reading this and just keep thinking about the fact that my 300tdi left me sitting on the freeway waiting for a truck again yesterday and what came to pick up my trailer yes thats right a toyota now what am i doing sitting at home waiting for a mechanic to tell me again what is wrong with the disco right now im on the verge of selling it and buying a bloody toyota just so i can either say see these pieces of **** break to or so i dont need to see a mechanic atleast once a month

[BigJon]

The snapped crank vehicle was serviced by the owner,he owns his own company that services mine machinery so no warranty even though it was only 14 months old and serviced every 5K in his own workshop. Pat

Providing it was serviced by qualified mechanics using parts of equal or better quality to Toyota ones the warranty would be in place. A car manufacturer can't void warranty on the basis that the car wasn't returned to a dealer for servicing.

[F4Phantom]

Providing it was serviced by qualified mechanics using parts of equal or better quality to Toyota ones the warranty would be in place. A car manufacturer can't void warranty on the basis that the car wasn't returned to a dealer for servicing.

well actually, my mate was winging last week about a holden astra he got, he was so scupilous with doing the book thing he could not wait while his own holden dealer found time to service it a few weeks away so went to another holden dealer in the area to have a normal by the book service.

So anyway his computer in the car kills itself and the car is still very much under new car warranty. So the dealer tells him his warranty is void because he got it serviced at another dealer. He then proceeded to fork out over a grand for a new chip. I told him he was crazy but accountants are like that.

[BigJon]

He was crazy... and stupid :p.

He should get his money back and talk to Holden head office about shonky dealers....

[Lucus]

Providing it was serviced by qualified mechanics using parts of equal or better quality to Toyota ones the warranty would be in place. A car manufacturer can't void warranty on the basis that the car wasn't returned to a dealer for servicing.

This sounds to me like the dealer couldn't be bothered pursuing the customers claim.

[pando]

well actually, my mate was winging last week about a holden astra he got, he was so scupilous with doing the book thing he could not wait while his own holden dealer found time to service it a few weeks away so went to another holden dealer in the area to have a normal by the book service.

So anyway his computer in the car kills itself and the car is still very much under new car warranty. So the dealer tells him his warranty is void because he got it serviced at another dealer. He then proceeded to fork out over a grand for a new chip. I told him he was crazy but accountants are like that.

Spoke to a mate who works for customer care at a local holden dealer....

Just need to check that this is a new car right?

He said (if it is a new car warranty we are talking about) to get your mate to talk with holden head office, as this is the biggest pile of BS he has ever heard.

The new car warranty is covered by holden, not the ruddy dealer, and after he has spoken to holden he should go to the ACCC and lodge a formal complaint against the dealer.

The Dealer has obviously got the willys on because he took his car to another service center, but as stated, the warranty provided by holden is good AT ANY HOLDEN DEALER Australia wide, and as long as the log book service has been completed it has nothing to do with a computer malfunctioning during the warranty period.

[CaverD3]

Manufacturers cannot refuse a warranty claim if the vehicle is serviced according to the manufacturers specifications and schedule.
Same with the brake caliper. Toyota would have to prove the caliper failure was caused by te chip. (doubtful) and as for using off road: not fit for purpose.

Toyota do have a reputation of trying to refuse warranty claims but why do Toyota owners accept it when they do?

[BMKal]

Spoke to a mate who works for customer care at a local holden dealer....

Just need to check that this is a new car right?

He said (if it is a new car warranty we are talking about) to get your mate to talk with holden head office, as this is the biggest pile of BS he has ever heard.

The new car warranty is covered by holden, not the ruddy dealer, and after he has spoken to holden he should go to the ACCC and lodge a formal complaint against the dealer.

The Dealer has obviously got the willys on because he took his car to another service center, but as stated, the warranty provided by holden is good AT ANY HOLDEN DEALER Australia wide, and as long as the log book service has been completed it has nothing to do with a computer malfunctioning during the warranty period.

I'd have to back this up.

Had a new Astra supplied by the employer that I recently finished up with. It was purchased at the Fremantle dealership just around the corner from our office. It received its first (free) service at the Kalgoorlie dealership, as I was up here when it fell due. Has had subsequent services at both Fremantle and Kalgoorlie dealerships with never a problem, and when a couple of minor parts were required to be replaced under warranty, they were replaced at Fremantle no questions asked.

Must state that I was very happy both with the car and with the service provided by both dealers.

[Jamo]

If a vehicle has been serviced according to the log book, by a qualifed mechanic, using genuine (or better) parts, and the vehicle is used for 'the purpose for which it has been designed' then it is a breach of the Trade Practices Act 1987 for the manufacturer to refuse a warranty claim.

This is one of the most common complaints against MV dealers/manufacturers.

Write a letter to the manufacturer. If that fails go to the ACCC and the relevant state fair trading department.

[LandyAndy]

I know a farmer whos pootrol wagon expired,the 4cyl diesel,I actulaly saw the smokescreen as it detonated,spectacular stuff.Dealer serviced until the conclusion of warranty,10000ks out of warranty.Nissan wouldnt touch it,despite it being a well known fault and the fact they had replaced others out of warranty.They said if he had kept up dealer service instead of a private workshop they may have been able to help him out.Pretty ordinary considering he had at the time 2 newer nissan utes from the same dealer.
Andrew

[Jamo]

Again Andrew, that's a breach of the TPA. IT allows for 'implied warranty' that cannot be contracted out of byt the manufacturer offering their warranty which is known as 'Express Warranty'. Common law has held that the 'implied' warranty may last for up to ten years after purchase new.

They have to prove the private workshop used substandard parts/POL or the mechanic caused the issue.

[PAT303]

im reading this and just keep thinking about the fact that my 300tdi left me sitting on the freeway waiting for a truck again yesterday and what came to pick up my trailer yes thats right a toyota now what am i doing sitting at home waiting for a mechanic to tell me again what is wrong with the disco right now im on the verge of selling it and buying a bloody toyota just so i can either say see these pieces of **** break to or so i dont need to see a mechanic atleast once a month

So why is it causing trouble?,do you flog it to death or don't service it.It's been my experience that it's either one of the two. Pat

[Bush65]

A number of failures, nothing to do with being flogged or not being serviced, have stopped the 300Tdi before today.

e.g. cracked fuel lines or failed lift pump.

[dullbird]

A number of failures, nothing to do with being flogged or not being serviced, have stopped the 300Tdi before today.

e.g. cracked fuel lines or failed lift pump.


I agree.....I must admit I get a little tired of seeing those lines...

My car is serviced every 5000k yes I take it off road but I dont hammer it, it hasn't een off road for a while and my car has just **** its self.. I think I take care of my car well if I think anything is wearing I have it changed....

In fact I think Ian hates the car because I constantly say I want this checked I want that checked this needs changing and so does that.

at the end of the day the cars are getting old so parts wear out! everything wears out eventually, you change it and then find the knock on effect that that worn part created and so on and so forth.
viscous circle in an old car IMHO

[LandyAndy]

I dont think you could have worded that any better Lou,especially after your Defender experiences.
Andrew

[VladTepes]

viscous circle in an old car IMHO

Only if its a late classic RR I believe ?


Oh.. you mean VICIOUS !:p

[87County]

Only if its a late classic RR I believe ?


Oh.. you mean VICIOUS !:p

surely not... perhaps he means VISCOUS ;)

[woorarra]

We have about 200 odd 76 and 79 series toyotas here in the Pilbara (Rio) since they first come out (v8's), and have only had problems with one, got a new toyota 79 work ute and it did 14000 k's in the first month thats just on site, Ive had bulldust over the bonnet and swamping into the back of the tray and they are put through hell, there is a lot of internet talking going on here of the (I know a bloke who knows another bloke insert comment here) unless you have first hand proof of failures why bother ? same thing with landies they are a great truck for what they are, but unless its a defender or something similar, you would be crazy to drive one around here purely for reliability issues and parts availability, I have two mates that own landrovers here in town, one has been trucked back too perth twice now and he has taken land rover to court and the other mates has been taken back too perth once, there is a reason that toyotas and nissans dominate the market here thats because they are reliable and parts are available, and whats the go with landies resale value? most off the comments ive read are from people that live in major cities get real.:p

[Gaz69]

woorarra


We have about 200 odd 76 and 79 series toyotas here in the Pilbara (Rio) since they first come out (v8's), and have only had problems with one, got a new toyota 79 work ute and it did 14000 k's in the first month thats just on site, Ive had bulldust over the bonnet and swamping into the back of the tray and they are put through hell, there is a lot of internet talking going on here of the (I know a bloke who knows another bloke insert comment here) unless you have first hand proof of failures why bother ? same thing with landies they are a great truck for what they are, but unless its a defender or something similar, you would be crazy to drive one around here purely for reliability issues and parts availability, I have two mates that own landrovers here in town, one has been trucked back too perth twice now and he has taken land rover to court and the other mates has been taken back too perth once, there is a reason that toyotas and nissans dominate the market here thats because they are reliable and parts are available, and whats the go with landies resale value? most off the comments ive read are from people that live in major cities get real.

Wow. 1st post on a land rover web site. This is gunna get interesting. :wasntme: I drive a Tojo at work everyday at the mine i work at (underground and love it) cause i can see it rusting before my eyes then i jump in my defender after work with a big grin on my face. Anyway welcome to this web site:twisted:

[Hymie]

most off the comments ive read are from people that live in major cities get real.:p

Well, from a country dude here's the drum.
ANZAC long weekend on the Sunday saw three 200 series cruisers tilt trayed out through Erica.
The score for the weekend was 3 Tojos, 2 Patrols and 1 Landrover.
I've never had to recover a Landrover out bush, wonder why?
And I do around 40 000 K of 80+thousand K I do a year.
For the record, my own pride and joy is off the road with a blown head gasket, I managed to get her home, took 60 liters of water and 3 hours to go 90 kilometers, but it did it under it's own steam, (Pun Intended).
Last time she went twang was in the Kimberley in 2007, that was a gearbox and cost me 5 days off the road, even Toymotas and Pootrols can't get a box up there in that time frame.

[wozzlegummich]

At the end of the day, The engines only blew up because the oil consumption issue was not addressed in time by the owner, in most cases i'm sure they knew it was using oil but continued to drive it without checking the level, theres only 1 person to blame really. The owners manual states to check the oil daily I know no-one does but its there in black+white so the owners dont technically have a leg to stand on if the vehicle runs out of oil. Toyota is nice enough to replace their $12,000 engine for free.
And yeah the problem was fixed, and owners only needed to contact and consult with their dealer, carry out the tests required to confirm the rate of usage, and its done.
It was also proven that Toyota Genuine oil helped the situation on some vehicles.!

Firstly, let me preface my comments. Up until a few years ago I spent the last 30 years working in various dealership Service Departments in Australia & Europe as a service manager/advisor and/or warranty clerk. This includes franchises for Holden, Honda, Fiat, Lancia, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Chrysler, Ssangyong, Daihatsu and TOYOTA.

IMHO Toyota treat their dealers like cr*p. If there is one thing out of place with the claim/repair procedure they can refuse to pay the whole repair job. Then, even if they do pay the claim they can take the money back later during the yearly warranty audit! Of course it is the big ticket items (like a V8 engine replacement) that they look at first during an audit.

All the poor dealer wants is to make sure he is going to get paid before he undertakes a $10K or more repair.

On the other hand, all service department staff are paid huge incentives, normally on a retail dollar per invoice basis or retail gross profit. Warranty repairs are paid for by the manufacturer at a much lower rate. This is why they (the service advisor or manager) will always try to convert a warranty type repair into a retail repair.

So no wonder it is such an uphill battle for the average punter to get a large warranty claim recognised by the dealer.

On the subject of oil pricing, oil has the highest gross profit margin of all sales (Labour, Parts, Sublet Repairs and Oils) in any service department. I have seen industry benchmarks and it is not uncommon to see P.O.L. (petrol, oils and lubricants) running at 200% gross profit or more. Dealer principals push their Service Managers to achieve these benchmarks as a minimum KPI (Key Performance Indicator) just to keep their jobs!!


These are just my own thoughts (donning flameproof suit) from years of observation.


Wozz L Gummich

[ATH]

but unless its a defender or something similar, you would be crazy to drive one around here purely for reliability issues and parts availability, I have two mates that own landrovers here in town, one has been trucked back too perth twice now and he has taken land rover to court and the other mates has been taken back too perth once, there is a reason that toyotas and nissans dominate the market here thats because they are reliable and parts are available, .:p

I had to have our Td5 Defender trucked to Perth from Newman as no one would even look at it! And it took 3 weeks because the truckers couldn't be bothered as it had a camper attached.
I've gone to the darkside because of that incident and know others who have or intend doing the same thing.
Of course any vehicle can breakdown we know that, but at least with jap crap there's a chance it can be fixed without a tow of possibly thousands of kays to the big smoke to be diagnosed and repaired.
Barbagallo in Perth told me yesterday that they have now entered into an "alliance" with repairers in Geraldton, Karratha, Pt Hedland and Broome for service and warranty work.
Strangely enough these seem to be the same people who did it previously before LRA went mad and did away with them!:D
Alan.

[CaverD3]

New franchise manager at Land Rover has had to undo the decisions made previously and is creating authorised service centres which can do warranty work.

[PAT303]

Toyota's get towed if they break down in the bush,most country ''dealers'' aren't dealerships but service centers and haven't got the equipement to clear or reset faults.If the vehicle goes into self protect mode it gets a ride to a major dealer.Unfortunately many so called ''tradesman'' stick to what they know and can't use thier brain to solve problems so it can be hard to get help when you need it and trust me many jap owners have been stuck too. Pat

[Disco44]

So why is it causing trouble?,do you flog it to death or don't service it.It's been my experience that it's either one of the two. Pat

Yea to that Pat..spot on.

[BigJon]

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On the other hand, all service department staff are paid huge incentives,

I never was! :mad:

[Hymie]

I never was! :mad:

No, but you looked after me very well when I needed help and that fact has never been forgotten.
I just hope that I can one day repay the favour.

[BigJon]

No, but you looked after me very well when I needed help and that fact has never been forgotten.
I just hope that I can one day repay the favour.

Glad to be of assistance!