HR help - Stupid CV's

[Col.Coleman]

Ok, so I am looking for a new job. Have always got jobs the old fashioned way. You go and talk to a bloke about a job, he goes you seem like a decent fellow, start tomorrow. Turn up, work your ass off and viola, please keep coming back.

Somewhere in there this new breed of do-gooders has infiltrated the system, and instead of talking to a person who has been there and done that, and intimitely knows what is required, you end up having to submit a sheet of what will eventually end up as toilet paper, to some jumped up little upstart who has never done a days work in their life, to decide on whether you are a good candidate for a job they have no idea about. They then make a decision without having even met you, and can't even be bothered to make contact.

So I need help. I need the help from any of you out there who have delt with this to help me "rejig" my CV. Apparently it is not exciting enough. It should jump off the page and make people want to meet me.

I have read countless thousands of these when employing people in the past and have come to the conclusion that most people extremely overstate their position and abilities(downright lie), and I myself am adverse to spin. Anyone who has been through the mill, knows what is required, and if you can get past the dickheads and talk to the owner, or person in charge, they can pretty much tell straight away. I don't feel I should have to shovel a truck load of BS to these spoonfed idiots.

I had an interview with a normal person the other day, and the only reason I don't have the job, is unfortuanatly for his company, he cannot afford me. But it was easy. I was told about the job, I phoned him and introduced myself, he said send me an email telling me a brief story, meet for an interview, we really want you, but how much. Contacted by email, we really want you but at this time cannot afford it, but keep in touch and I will be considered for other similar positions within his various companies. I dealt with a real person, who had built themselves up, and was in control of the company and understood what was involved.

So do I fill it full of crap, and self-promotional spin and pander to these *******, or do I stay true to my beliefs, cut the crap, state the facts and tell it like it is.

My current one has gotten me another couple of prospects, I was just told as feedback that it was dated and most HR people would have a fit reading it.

Dick heads

CC

[bblaze]

I hear you
Havnt had a job for about 15 odd years (self employment), last cv I handed in got thrown out, went to the source and got the job.
Im of the old school and would still put the leg work in and knock on doors, keep knocking until someone listened to me.
Feel sorry for your postion.
cheers
blaze
Ps tidy up your cv, have a real one on an overstated one, take the real one door knocking (thats where your job will come from) and send the over state one to the upstarts that wouldnt know what an honest days work was

[Tusker]

Well as an employer for the last 20 yrs or so, and not knowing the industry/occupation, my feedback would be

- Forget the spin. And the patronising about "working for your esteemed company.." etc. I don't want to employ a BS artist.

- But do include something about you as a person, your values. You have to give them an idea of how you'll fit in.

- It has to present perfectly. Grammar, punctuation, don't misspell the their name. This is supposed to be your best effort.

- How to stand out from the rest? This is the hard one. Its not silly fonts, mug shots or waxy paper, but it is content. For me anyway.

- One way of standing out is do some homework on the prospective employer. Look up their website, and explain how your skill set is a good fit with what they do. Very few candidates do.

The CV is the only thing I've got to extract a short list from say 300 applicants. Its no fun. Scattergun, generic, photocopied applications are the first to go. The BS ones go. Those with significant gaps go. Those that don't give me anything about them as an individual go. Likely transport problems go. And so on.

Lastly - and this is important for us - I hire largely on attitude, we can always teach the function. The other way around doesn't work. Focussing on technical strengths only can be a disaster.

Regards
Max P

[Col.Coleman]

Some times it is hard to research the company as alot of adds, especially online, do not say who it is for. A recent one is a Business Development Accounts Manager Venue.

What do you think that is?

I have to wait to see on Tuesday, who the venue is, and then what services they are selling. It could be anything from a functions venue to a pub.

I know it is only organising a team of sales people, developing ideas, presenting reports and reading figures and results, but it would be handy to know before you go.

CC

[Tusker]

Some times it is hard to research the company as alot of adds, especially online, do not say who it is for. A recent one is a Business Development Accounts Manager Venue.

What do you think that is?
CC

If its the Brissie job top of the list in Google, then I haven't got a clue. :(

Sounds like a purely sales role in corporate hospitality, monthly performance targets etc.

[Col.Coleman]

Yep that is the one. ALOT less money than I am used to, and a few steps back, but I was a big fish in a small pond at the other job, so time to move to a bigger pond.

When I was contacted, I was told I was probably not suitable for the role, but they have something else that I may be, so am going along to see what happens.

Clear as mud though eh.

Thanks for the tips Max, I will redo and add as I have another GM/OM role I will put in for today.

CC

[Sprint]

i know what you mean mate, over the years i've only ever gotten one interview from a written application, and then i didnt get the job because no prior sales experience

every job i've had has been from fronting up and asking in person

[WhiteD3]

You have 2 problems Michael.

1 are the HR/recruitment oxygen thieves who's job it is to fill the seat. They're not after the best candidate, they're after the easiest candidate to "sell" to the decision maker.

2 is the issue of the resume. Try as you might you won't be able to format a resume to suit all. I've been involved in a lot of recruiting for management and coal face and the best advice I can give is keep it short, accurate and professional-looking.

Good luck.

[Adesthemex]

Shoot me an email with your CV attached and I'll give it some treatment. I have to deal with recruitment ***** nearly everyday, but it's them ringing me which changes the balance of power somewhat.

Basically Mick, the majority of recruitment peeps are LAZY. So it should be 2 pages long MAX. Content is the most important. No long winded stories, just bullet points and qualifications. Anyway, shoot it though and I'll have a look.

[Bigbjorn]

If you are over 40, do NOT include your date of birth. Age discrimination is rife, and gets worse in times of high unemployment.

Do not go back into ancient history with your past employment history, last 10 years is more than enough. No-one wants to know your skills with abacus and quill. If you are applying for jobs requiring trade, technical, or professional qualifications, stress that you are up to date even if you have been "off the tools" for years.

If applying for public service jobs, you will, if you make the cut, be facing a selection committee consisting in most cases of people who have not done the job in question and know little about it. They are extremely politically correct these days, watch your p's and q's. Preference in APS jobs seems to lie in favour of the sisterhood nowadays, so best of luck.

[Col.Coleman]

Shoot me an email with your CV attached and I'll give it some treatment. I have to deal with recruitment ***** nearly everyday, but it's them ringing me which changes the balance of power somewhat.

Basically Mick, the majority of recruitment peeps are LAZY. So it should be 2 pages long MAX. Content is the most important. No long winded stories, just bullet points and qualifications. Anyway, shoot it though and I'll have a look.

Sent to your hotmail.

CC

[Utemad]

If applying for public service jobs, you will, if you make the cut, be facing a selection committee consisting in most cases of people who have not done the job in question and know little about it. They are extremely politically correct these days, watch your p's and q's. Preference in APS jobs seems to lie in favour of the sisterhood nowadays, so best of luck.

I've had a few Qld govt interviews. Never got a job out of one. I have had a few jobs with them where I didn't get an interview though.
I've also had to compile applications for jobs there.

As has been said. Keep it short and to the point. These days they are getting applications in the high tens to low hundreds where they wouldn't have gotten many if any before this gloom and doom started (different industry to you).
So you don't want to be one of the long winded ones that gets tossed.

As for the Qld govt interview process, although I think their application process sucks balls and rewards those who have a high opinion of themselves, the interview panel actually consists of three people. One will be your manager/supervisor, one will be someone from the workgroup/team and the third one will be someone from outside the workgroup to give another point of view on you (sometimes the local HR person).
Also all the applications are forward
I've always had two guys and one female but that is probably just the areas I have applied to (to have the token female in the panel).

Good luck.

Just to add, in Qld govt, the people who sort through the applications are the same people who are on the panel. All the applications are given to them once the closing date passes.
It is the ones that go through recruitment agencies where the panel may never see your application I find. They just send along the ones they feel are suitable. Which is funny as I've had my application forwarded for jobs that I didn't apply for that I've told the person ringing that I am not suitable for! Even one from somewhere in New Zealand!

[Adesthemex]

Sent to your hotmail.

CC


Alright,

Check your email. I've sent you some things to do.

[Bigbjorn]

[QUOTE=Utemad;999661 the interview panel actually consists of three people. One will be your manager/supervisor, one will be someone from the workgroup/team and the third one will be someone from outside the workgroup to give another point of view on you (sometimes the local HR person).

Good luck.

[/QUOTE]

A long standing joke that circulates in the APS and is considered by many to be so close to the truth it is not funny says that selection panels usually consist of a third world immigrant, someone in a wheelchair, a lesbian, a raving loony feminist and a social worker, none of whom know anything about the job.

My experience was that rarely was the manager/supervisor on the panel, probably so they could later say in any appeal they did not show any favour to the successful applicant, just in case the applicant was manager's pet, relative, concubine, or notorious brown-noser.

[maca]

A long standing joke that circulates in the APS .......

What exactly is the APS?
I did me a google search and came up with: Australian Public Service Commission - Home page (http://www.apsc.gov.au/)
But besides making up buzzwords I couldn't figure out what they did.

Can you enlighten those of us who are not in the know?

[Utemad]

What exactly is the APS?
I did me a google search and came up with: Australian Public Service Commission - Home page (http://www.apsc.gov.au/)
But besides making up buzzwords I couldn't figure out what they did.

Can you enlighten those of us who are not in the know?

Australian Public Service
Federal public servants such as from Foreign Affairs and Trade or Defence.

[George130]

A long standing joke that circulates in the APS and is considered by many to be so close to the truth it is not funny says that selection panels usually consist of a third world immigrant, someone in a wheelchair, a lesbian, a raving loony feminist and a social worker, none of whom know anything about the job.

My experience was that rarely was the manager/supervisor on the panel, probably so they could later say in any appeal they did not show any favour to the successful applicant, just in case the applicant was manager's pet, relative, concubine, or notorious brown-noser.

Every time we have recruited in our project the supervisor was on the panel and also one of the people who went through the applications. In our section since there is only 3 of us permanents we will all look and rank the applicants and then discuss our views. The projecy manager and soection supervisor with a third party supplied by hr then interview. Third party is there to make sure the interviews are fair.

[spudboy]

As an employer - I like to see a SHORT CV. All I am looking for initially are some keywords. Point form is perfect.

If the person sounds interesting you can fill in all the gaps and get references & etc later on.

Depends upon the industry a bit. In IT (which is where I have done the employing) you are looking for a specific skill set, and generally it is a few short acronymns I'm looking for. Probably not so applicable to your Business Development Manager type of application, but when you have to go through 20 or 30 applicants the ones that get tossed are:
- poor spelling
- poor presentation
- waffling - telling me what they did for an after school job 15 years ago
- wrong qualifications

It's really hard to tell what a person is like from a piece of paper, so your way of talking direct to the person doing the employing is fantastic.

Also - if someone makes an effort to call before they send in the CV to "clarify things" that makes a good impression (to me anyway).

Good luck. It's hard work, and I hope you find something soon.
David

[WhiteD3]

If you are over 40, do NOT include your date of birth. Age discrimination is rife, and gets worse in times of high unemployment.


Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I disagree Brian. I've hired some 40 techs and engineers over the last few years and I'm far happier with an older bloke. They are more loyal, more experienced, and far less trouble overall. The only real issue I've with this age group (as far as hiring tradesman is concerned) is computer skills.

[Tusker]

Don't you love conflicting advice...

Regards
Max P

[Bigbjorn]

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I disagree Brian. I've hired some 40 techs and engineers over the last few years and I'm far happier with an older bloke. They are more loyal, more experienced, and far less trouble overall. The only real issue I've with this age group (as far as hiring tradesman is concerned) is computer skills.

You may employ this way, but I can assure you that most do not. In times of high unemployment, the older worker, the unattractive, the ethnics, etc. get the rough end of the pineapple. The CES used to tell the over 40's, no matter what their qualifications and experience, to take any job they are offered as that may be the only one they will get. The over 55's were virtually considered to be out of the job market in the high unemployment era of the early 90's. You were obviously employing highly qualified and motivated people in boom times when plenty of jobs were available.

Most employment agencies have had little to do with the grubbier end of unemployment. The unskilled, the mature age workers, aboriginals, recently released convicts, the illiterate and semi-literate, immigrants with poor to nearly non-existent English, the poorly educated, the long term unemployed were the responsibility of the CES before the Howard government closed it down in one of their first acts in government. The private sector agencies have done little with these people other than use them as milk cows. One prominent CEO (owner) of a major job service provider referred to these job seekers as "dead ****s" and didn't want to list them until she realised how much money was to be made servicing them without actually having to place them.

One 50 year old former manager showed me a letter from one of Australia's biggest mining companies. He had applied for a position that he fitted like a glove. He got a nice standard letter back thanking him for his interest, large field of high quality applicants etc. & here are your references returned. They gave themselves away by returning his CV upon which someone had put a light pencil ring around his date of birth.

[willem]

Well as an employer for the last 20 yrs or so, and not knowing the industry/occupation, my feedback would be

- Forget the spin. And the patronising about "working for your esteemed company.." etc. I don't want to employ a BS artist.

- But do include something about you as a person, your values. You have to give them an idea of how you'll fit in.

- It has to present perfectly. Grammar, punctuation, don't misspell the their name. This is supposed to be your best effort.

- How to stand out from the rest? This is the hard one. Its not silly fonts, mug shots or waxy paper, but it is content. For me anyway.

- One way of standing out is do some homework on the prospective employer. Look up their website, and explain how your skill set is a good fit with what they do. Very few candidates do.

The CV is the only thing I've got to extract a short list from say 300 applicants. Its no fun. Scattergun, generic, photocopied applications are the first to go. The BS ones go. Those with significant gaps go. Those that don't give me anything about them as an individual go. Likely transport problems go. And so on.

Lastly - and this is important for us - I hire largely on attitude, we can always teach the function. The other way around doesn't work. Focussing on technical strengths only can be a disaster.

Regards
Max P

This is good advice. Particularly the last comment. Attitude is everything. If you have the right attitude to the job and can make it come thru in your CV and covering letter, you're halfway there. Telling about yourself and your own interests can help here.

Then comes technical skills. If the job requires certain skills/ quals that you must have, then tell about them.

Adesthemex's comment about brevity is really important. When you have to sift thru fifty cvs you love it when somebody tells his story effectively on one A4 page.

One of the hardest things about writing anything is keeping it brief and to the point. Anyone can generate words. The trick is to say the same thing in less words. When you've made up your CV, go back thru it and reduce the number of words. Find ways to say the same thing with less words. Think about each sentence. Is it necessary? Do I need those words? If I rephrase that will it work better?

Keeping it brief and to the point will often get you to the next stage of the employment process. Remember that when you write an application you are not trying to get a job. All you are doing is trying to get an interview. The purpose of the CV and covering letter is to give enough of the right information to get you thru to the interview. At the interview you can work on getting the job.

I reckon you should be able to tell the guts of your story on one A4 sheet. The exercise of achieving that will make your CV the most direct and interesting one they have come across and will give you a good chance at getting the interview.

All the best

Willem

[Adesthemex]

I find the whole employment market quite hard to understand these days

Our daughter who is a teacher, with no permanent position yet after 2 yrs out of Uni, seems to have no problem picking up short term contracts.

Our son, who is unskilled, has to go the full gambit of employment agencies, newspaper ads etc etc......NOTHING has ever come out of the employment agencies....

I'd HATE to be looking for a job in todays system even if I was young. It would be even harder as an older person.

I'm lucky to have a skill qualification where I can be guaranteed NEVER to be without some employment

It's called supply and demand. Every state is crying out for teachers and most schools both private and public engage recruiters specific to education to broker employment contracts. "Contracts" is the key word these days. It depends on the industry, but for the most part in so called "professional" jobs, contract is becoming the norm to start off with. I know for my employer they paid me twice as much on contract before making me permanent. Less overheads, 1 weeks notice, no warinings etc, no super, it can work for both parties very well.

Unfortunately, most unskilled workers are looking for work in small business that still aren't very computer literate, or are just starting to transform their business to be more up-to-date and are still using traditional means of hiring.

But it will not last. Unless unskilled workers embrace and learn how to use technology to their advantage when looking for work, they will struggle.

[willem]

One 50 year old former manager showed me a letter from one of Australia's biggest mining companies. He had applied for a position that he fitted like a glove. He got a nice standard letter back thanking him for his interest, large field of high quality applicants etc. & here are your references returned. Thet gave themselves away by returning his CV upon which someone had put a light pencil ring around his date of birth.

This is true. Leaving out your date of birth can be a way around it - although it can also give it away. 'If he hasn't put his date of birth in then he's obviously older' But a friend of mine who at the time was in his early sixties applied for a job at a factory as a section manager and didn't put his date of birth in. When he was asked about that at the interview he said 'Would I have got the interview if you knew how old I was?' the answer was 'No. Probably not'. He got the job and was very well regarded in the company.

Willem

[Bigbjorn]

This is true. Leaving out your date of birth can be a way around it - although it can also give it away. 'If he hasn't put his date of birth in then he's obviously older' But a friend of mine who at the time was in his early sixties applied for a job at a factory as a section manager and didn't put his date of birth in. When he was asked about that at the interview he said 'Would I have got the interview if you knew how old I was?' the answer was 'No. Probably not'. He got the job and was very well regarded in the company.

Willem

Another of my clients told me he had stopped mentioning his age or date of birth and was called in for an interview to get the comment "Christ, how old are you?"

Another guy told a prospective employer he was 56 and was told that the employer had a compulsory retirement age of 55. Another major Australian corporation. I wonder how they apply this nowadays when legally they can not have a mandatory retirement age.

The government recognised the problems faced by older workers by introducing in the nineties, the Mature Age Allowance. This was paid through the Newstart system for long term unemployed over 60. It took away the obligation to actively seek work, recognising that in most cases this was a fruitless and often embarassing endeavour.

[Bigbjorn]

I find the whole employment market quite hard to understand these days

Our daughter who is a teacher, with no permanent position yet after 2 yrs out of Uni, seems to have no problem picking up short term contracts.

Our son, who is unskilled, has to go the full gambit of employment agencies, newspaper ads etc etc......NOTHING has ever come out of the employment agencies....

I'd HATE to be looking for a job in todays system even if I was young. It would be even harder as an older person.

I'm lucky to have a skill qualification where I can be guaranteed NEVER to be without some employment

NM, plenty of teacher graduates in that boat. You wonder why governments and educator academics bleat about a teacher shortage when they won't employ the existing ones. Swags of teacher graduates working as clerks in the public service.

Yet a friend, long term unemployed former public servant was sent off by his job service provider to full time study at Griffith Uni to become a teacher. He would have graduated in the normal course of events after his 55th. birthday. He had left school aged 16. He had difficulties from day 1 and left the course after the fifth semester. I found out that this was the only way the provider had left to make some money out of him (other than placing him in long term employment) so they cold-heartedly send him off to a course he was unlikely to finish, and if he did would never have got a job in his new profession.

[Adesthemex]

I can tell you for fact....Qld Health do not pay anymore for contact nurses than they do permanent. I did 2 years on short term contracts before I got a permanent position....short term as in 4-6weeks.....not what I call "satisfactory" employment :(

Well I can't speak for Qld Nurses, but here in VIC some friends who are nurses have spoken to me about doing contract. The younger grad's are getting contracts at graduate market rate, the more experience Nurses are getting way better money by taking 6 or 12 month contracts and NOT being a member of the union. Seems it makes a big difference.

Every industry is going to vary I guess, but on the whole it's coming down more to the individual and what you are able to negotiate.

[pohm66]

As with what Utemad said earlier is fairly right for Qld Govt jobs....I'm often one of those on the interview panel and at the moment with the GFC and job uncertainties Govt jobs are looked on favourably for stability so lots of applications for each vacancy.:(

Having said that though the one thing that does amaze me is the lack of people or bother to find out who the primary panel member is and contact them.

This works well on 2 fronts...
1) you can suss out a bit more about the position giving you the chance to customise your application better and
2) its gets your name and persona across so that if this call goes well they will recognise your name when you application turns up on their desk.

Good luck and happy hunting....

[Bigbjorn]

If I was applying for jobs today, and someone wanted to know my age, gender, religion, marital status, etc. I would be asking them why do they need to know. The anti-discrimination legislation forbids discrimination for these and other reasons so the employer has no need to know, and should not know or use this information in the decision making process.

The Company Secretary of a large heavy equipment company once commented that if employers had to pay maternity leave then he would only employ females over 50. This, he said, had a double bonus as the employee would retire before being eligible for long service leave.

[Tusker]

If I was applying for jobs today, and someone wanted to know my age, gender, religion, marital status, etc. I would be asking them why do they need to know. The anti-discrimination legislation forbids discrimination for these and other reasons so the employer has no need to know, and should not know or use this information in the decision making process.

Because it helps build a picture about you. What makes you tick, whether you'll fit in with everyone else.

Most candidates volunteer this stuff in my experience. Gaps & withheld information are fatal. The assumption has to be you're hiding something.

And I've never had it happen, but if anyone quoted anti-discrimination laws at me in an interview, well I doubt it would be a fruitful working relationship.

Regards
Max P

[V8Ian]

If I was applying for jobs today, and someone wanted to know my age, gender, religion, marital status, etc. I would be asking them why do they need to know. The anti-discrimination legislation forbids discrimination for these and other reasons so the employer has no need to know, and should not know or use this information in the decision making process.

The Company Secretary of a large heavy equipment company once commented that if employers had to pay maternity leave then he would only employ females over 50. This, he said, had a double bonus as the employee would retire before being eligible for long service leave.
Don't quote me, but I think they might twig at the interview stage.
You are so encouraging Brian.

[Bigbjorn]

Because it helps build a picture about you. What makes you tick, whether you'll fit in with everyone else.

Most candidates volunteer this stuff in my experience. Gaps & withheld information are fatal. The assumption has to be you're hiding something.

And I've never had it happen, but if anyone quoted anti-discrimination laws at me in an interview, well I doubt it would be a fruitful working relationship.

Regards
Max P

It is illegal to request or use discriminatory information. Full stop.

What more do you need to know?

Would you like to be stood up in court before a QC and asked why you used or requested illegal discriminatory information?


Got good mortgage insurance? Check the fine print. See you down the caravan park.

[Mick-Kelly]

The information only becomes discriminatory if used in that manner. There are many other benign uses for such information. Good luck in front of the QC Brian just tell him its all about the vibe........oh and the conspiracy theory. :D

[Bigbjorn]

The information only becomes discriminatory if used in that manner. There are many other benign uses for such information. Good luck in front of the QC Brian just tell him its all about the vibe........oh and the conspiracy theory. :D

My understanding from recruitment training courses is that you may not request or use discriminatory information. It is an offence against Commonwealth legislation to do so.

Use it at your peril. There are plenty of precedents. Most corporations will turn their back on you. They will say they have protocols, training, and policy in place to ensure their staff obey the law. The unwritten understanding may be that their managers employ no geriatrics, blacks, poofs, etc. but they will never admit it and YOU will be the scapegoat.

[V8Ian]

My understanding from recruitment training courses is that you may not request or use discriminatory information. It is an offence against Commonwealth legislation to do so.

Use it at your peril. There are plenty of precedents. Most corporations will turn their back on you. They will say they have protocols, training, and policy in place to ensure their staff obey the law. The unwritten understanding may be that their managers employ no geriatrics, blacks, poofs, etc. but they will never admit it and YOU will be the scapegoat.
D.O.B. (For identification purposes only)
Bypassed

[3toes]

There is no need for anyone to put their date of birth on a job application. In Australia it is illegal to even ask for this information. This is the same for are they a smoker? These are just 2 examples there are plenty of others.

If you are worried about age discrimination do not forget to leave out of your CV the years you attended school. This is a dead give away that many forget about.

Where you are dealing through a recruitment agency the CV will be fairly generic as that is how the poorer ones work. They farm CV's and send them off to employers on the basis that if you chuck enough mud some will stick sales method. The better ones work with you and help you customise your CV for the position then coach you on the employer and the interviewer so you are presented in the best light. The latter earn their commission and you are left feeling it was worth it.

Another key thing you need to be ready for is the questions based on experience - give examples of when you did - handled - solved etc. These are usually from the HR person. They are looking for key words and relevant / transferable experience examples. It is intended to weed out those applicants who can talk but do not know. Be ready though as if you cannot give good examples no matter how well the interview went you will not be offer a job.

[Tusker]

It is illegal to request or use discriminatory information. Full stop.

What more do you need to know?

Would you like to be stood up in court before a QC and asked why you used or requested illegal discriminatory information?


Got good mortgage insurance? Check the fine print. See you down the caravan park.

Steady on.

I didn't say I asked for it. I did say in my experience most candidates volunteer it.

Like it or not, gaps & withheld information are fatal. That's the reality.

[Col.Coleman]

Good thing politically incorrect ads don't exist anymore.

Check this one out. Posted today. I would not work for this bloke in a pink fit.

He expects everything, for peanuts. Comes across as a person with with an anger problem with alot of other problems. I could do that job with my eyes closed, but not for that, and definately not for HIM.

I'm all for straight talk, and being direct, but come on.

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Your references will be checked so please don't apply if you are a serial bull****ter.

I will expect the successful person to be well presented, to work beyond what is expected of them. To be able to work whenever they are required. Not to have a problem with getting their hands dirty.

If you feel you might have the ability to fill this role then please send your resume as soon as convenient.

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$60,000 - $70,000
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Hospitality & Tourism

Management

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[V8Ian]

I saw one the other day, manage warehouse & staff, stock control, sales, phone sales, office admin, deliveries, store & shop housekeeping and other duties as required. Then came a list of qualifications as long as your arm. Salary $35 000 + super :Rolling:
You wouldn't get me for that (Maccas) money, even from the neck down.

[3toes]

I saw one the other day, manage warehouse & staff, stock control, sales, phone sales, office admin, deliveries, store & shop housekeeping and other duties as required. Then came a list of qualifications as long as your arm. Salary $35 000 + super :Rolling:
You wouldn't get me for that (Maccas) money, even from the neck down.

And the person who placed the add will be in the paper next week complaining that they cannot find anyone to fill the position, where are all those unemployed people ?

[V8Ian]

And the person who placed the add will be in the paper next week complaining that they cannot find anyone to fill the position, where are all those unemployed people ?
And
'We need more 3rd world labour here':mad:

[Bigbjorn]

I saw one the other day, manage warehouse & staff, stock control, sales, phone sales, office admin, deliveries, store & shop housekeeping and other duties as required. Then came a list of qualifications as long as your arm. Salary $35 000 + super :Rolling:
You wouldn't get me for that (Maccas) money, even from the neck down.

A mate recently applied for a job as a Factory Foreman. He has considerable experience as a factory and workshop foreman in the motor and machinery trades. The company makes mowers and other grass and lawn equipment and small garden/acreage tractors. He was told there are around 60 factory workers on average and up to 80 at peak periods.

He was staggered to find out at the interview that he was not only required to have fork lift and crane tickets but was to be the fork and crane driver. He declined to accept the offer telling the HR person that a foreman supervises and trains workers. He does not operate machinery.

In fact in pretty well all shops of that size in the past, if a foreman attempted to operate a machine, the workers would have been out on the grass within minutes.